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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bum didn't say tack was scum, did he? I thought he said LW had a funky check but was leaning towards tack as well. Yeah, bum said he thought tack was scum I think. I'll go find the post | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:45 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Bum didn't say tack was scum, did he? I thought he said LW had a funky check but was leaning towards tack as well. bum said that Tack was 100% scum. Then after he redacted that statement because his information was incorrect. His information was wrong, he gained new info from LSB and re-rereading coag's stuff. So now he thinks Lemon is scum instead. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
I forgot that annul stole an item, I edited it in the Day 2 post | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:49 LSB wrote: I forgot that annul stole an item, I edited it in the Day 2 post Ok, Tack, why didn't you come out and say your item was stolen? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:50 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So wait, is that item gone forever now? I think it's gone at the current moment but when whomever wins the game, they get all of them LSB, how will items be distributed if town wins game? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:51 chaoser wrote: Ok, Tack, why didn't you come out and say your item was stolen? LSB didn't put it in for a while, it's possible Tackster wasn't informed either. Also: LSB, when Darmousseh asked you to give him a copy of the town message because he considered it cheating to check the role messages, did you give him a copy of the town message? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 29 2011 00:54 chaoser wrote: I think it's gone at the current moment but when whomever wins the game, they get all of them LSB, how will items be distributed if town wins game? The items that LSB banking currently holds will be randomly distributed to the winners On March 29 2011 00:57 Rean wrote: LSB didn't put it in for a while, it's possible Tackster wasn't informed either. Also: LSB, when Darmousseh asked you to give him a copy of the town message because he considered it cheating to check the role messages, did you give him a copy of the town message? Nope, and I did not give the mafia the alignment PM | ||
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
If it goes to the players, IG was a waste of time. If it goes to the faction... then it was worth it. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
I know what happened last night. But first, a confession: I am the bus driver. On March 28 2011 17:21 bumatlarge wrote: Excellent, sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I have access to a DT within my circle. We checked lemonwalrus. He came back blue police force While that makes no sense whatsoever since blues cant be in the item game. And of course he is not in my circle. He has to be the GodFather Last might my action was to bus Bum and Lemon. I didn't know what item lemon had. I figured jackal was mafia and was going to shoot tack, while the rest of the mafia killed lemon and coag, thereby winning mafia the item game. I didn't know that jackal had died, and I didn't know that lemon was bulletproof. So the reason that bum's check came back as blue is because he was checking himself. Now, why would i switch bum and lemon, you might ask? Well, Bum is invincible. As long as his two bodyguards are alive he can't die. That means I could switch him with anyone and that person would live because all hits would be deflected off bum. Obviously I can't ever make this maneuver again because GM is dead and its too risky if the mafia gets the other bodyguard, but it was a good oneshot effort and would have won us the item game if mafia had tried to win it all at once. This maneuver had the happy side effect of confirming bum as blue, so yaay! I trust you again bum, I secretly figured you were scum for awhile. So if I am the only bus driver, what happened last night? It would be stupid for there to be two bus drivers in the game. How was coags kill switched to annul? On March 28 2011 15:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Found it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172696¤tpage=42#840 I remember KJ guessed who the medic type role was then used it to give the mafia a bunch of free protections. Mind control. Coag was mind controlled to use his item on annul instead of on Tack. Thats why the post is written the way it is. I mean, read the damn thing. It's all about how he 'was confused as to why he was standing in front of annul'. Go read it again, it makes way more sense for it to be mind control. Also, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned elsewhere in the text if that had been what I did. Had that been my move, the bus driver wouldn't have been mentioned at all. You guys are also missing the fact that Kav claimed somebody hit him last night. Thats an extra KP we haven't accounted for: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed (look at the DP again) 5. KP used on kav??? Mafia's Plan Now before we delve into 5, lets examine 4 for a minute. GM is deader than a doornail. I have reason to believe that annuls role (outside of the item game) was bodyguard. I think last night the mafia hit GM and bum and used mind control to switch coags hit onto annul, therefore allowing them to kill the mayor and win the IG in one swoop. Coag would be dead due to the bomb, and the only people left in IG would be Jackal and Tack and Lemon. Mafia almost killed bum, and I accidentally saved him by switching him and lemon. 0_0 How fucking lucky did town get last night? We still haven't accounted for 5, or for the direction of black's kill. Black must have hit annul; that would explain why there were two kills in the same place. Why would black have hit annul? He was out of the item game, and everyone thought that annul's item was going to go off. I do not know this yet. I suspect bum has more ideas about this than I do. I do know that the reason why annul's item didn't go off is because he was stealing Tack's item during the night. That explains why annul has the mood ring and not Tack. Now for the KP used on kav. What happened? Lets look at this list again, and I'll show you what I think happened: 1. towns kp used to kill tack, shifted to annul 2. another random kp used to kill annul 3. KP used on GM 4. KP that failed There was no KP used on kav. There weren't enough KP in the game for that to happen. What happened was, my switch of lemon and bum saved bum's life from being ended and thats what the failed KP was: They managed to hit a bulletproof lemon instead of a suddenly weakened bum. Kav claimed a hit in order to A) bring himself into town's good graces and B) to stop anyone from wondering if Bum was the other target. Kav is Mafia Now who could possibly have orchastrated this plan from the mafia's perspective? such a person would 1. have to be in the item game 2. have to have known that coag was the one who was gonna hit Tack, not jackal The only people that fit both of those descriptions are Lemon, Jackal, and Coag. Lemon is probably clear thanks to my breadcrumbing plan from earlier. He could easily not be, however, probably thanks to myself switching him and bum and accidentally foiling the DT check (sorry!). Coag is definately a green thanks to breadcrumbing earlier. Therefore, the true battle of red is between Lemon and Jackal. Both of them have much to gain if town lynches Tack, and both of them already think that Tack is the mafia. The question is which one of them is more scum than the other, and which one is playing the other for a fool. Personally I believe Jackal is scum. I had a FOS on him early in the game and he hasn't done much to change my mind. He failed my breadcrumbing test after refusing to participate, he has tunnelled players multiple times, and chainsaw defended virtually every single accusation against him. This entire plan is exactly the sort of thing he'd cook up; killing everyone but himself and Tack and somebody that aggrees with him (lemon) and then convincing town that Tack had murdered everyone in the night and lynching him. Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon? Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool. Coag, you even said that the only person who could have fooled you was jackal. Its whats happening right now, don't you see?! If you have more info (ie, dt check) I would release it right now. Therefore, mafia list: Kav Rean Decon Jackal And bum, I'd be very very careful with how you act from now on. I suspect the rest of my bus driving will be blocked by red/black, so I won't be able to save your ass again. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 29 2011 01:04 tnkted wrote: Who do we see supporting jackal on this? Who is supporting jackal even after Bum accused lemon? Rean and Decon. Scum. Coag. Played for fool. You know, this would have been a lot more emphatic if it wasn't for the fact that you obviously have been reading the thread wrong. Myself and Rean are the ones who are saying Jackal is wrong, not the ones supporting him. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
{extremely long explanation, nuances and counter arguments} How did it all happen? Mind control. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On March 29 2011 01:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just for clarification. Does the "town KP" refer to lynching, coagulations gun, or something else entirely? If it's referring to his gun did you really RNG the items or did you hand pick them? No comment | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Annul the Item Game Participant has died Alignment PM. (Mafia Miller) not a bodyguard so yeah... | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
LSB, if a mayor got bussed would it bypass his bodyguard protection and transfer it to the other bussed person? | ||
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