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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
March 28 2011 14:21 GMT
#2401
So, what are you saying then? That he was framed blue? That he is GF and mafia picked a blue role just to screw with town DTs? For someone in the mafia game who was bound to be either killed by blacks or hanged, or checked by towns while the other blues were most certainly still alive.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
March 28 2011 14:25 GMT
#2402
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 28 2011 14:26 GMT
#2403
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

but if that was true, then if the bomb went off, the bus driver would of died too... I don't think they would sacrifice their bus driver to kill coag in the item game.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 28 2011 14:27 GMT
#2404
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.


If the driver works the normal way it was tack and annul that were bussed. Bussing switches the action's targets, not the people performing the action.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 28 2011 14:28 GMT
#2405
On March 28 2011 23:27 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.


If the driver works the normal way it was tack and annul that were bussed. Bussing switches the action's targets, not the people performing the action.

yes, but it would change coag from shooting tack to shooting annul. As such, the bomb would kill coag. Switching the players doesnt matter, what matters for annul's item was switching the targets.
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 28 2011 14:31 GMT
#2406
On March 28 2011 22:50 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 22:44 deconduo wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:38 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you?

I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing.


Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him?

Coag shot Tackster

Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun.

Tackster was protected by a bus driver.

Tackster admits to his theft.

If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me?

But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again.
You are either terrified of being wrong or scum.

I'm leaning towards scum.


Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players.

Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless.

If he were town he wouldn't have been bussed.
He would have stolen my band aid and coag would have shot him and this whole damn thing would have been over with.
But it's actually a good thing to watch and see who continues to defend him.


Why not? Pretend Tack is town and Lemon is the mafia. WHAT WOULD MAFIA DO?

Don't avoid this question in any way. Just give me your honest opinion on what mafia would do.

Let me shoot tack. Then I get lynched.


Situation 1:
Lemon
Tack
Coag
Jackal

Situation 2:

Lemon
Coag
Jackal
Annul

You are saying that Lemon would prefer to be in situation 2? You think he would find it easier to lynch you if it was situation 2 over lynching Tack in situation 1?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
March 28 2011 14:32 GMT
#2407
That kinda makes sense. Coag would be "visiting" whoever he was shooting. If they switched Annul with Tack, then Coag would have visited Annul to shoot him (unknowingly) and could have gone out with a bang.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 28 2011 14:32 GMT
#2408
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

That assumes they knew coag was the shooter. For all intents and purposes they had to assume I was.
Life can only kill you once.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 28 2011 14:33 GMT
#2409
On March 28 2011 23:28 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:27 deconduo wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.


If the driver works the normal way it was tack and annul that were bussed. Bussing switches the action's targets, not the people performing the action.

yes, but it would change coag from shooting tack to shooting annul. As such, the bomb would kill coag. Switching the players doesnt matter, what matters for annul's item was switching the targets.


Yes, that was my point. Driver would die if he visited annul.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
March 28 2011 14:33 GMT
#2410
On March 28 2011 23:32 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

That assumes they knew coag was the shooter. For all intents and purposes they had to assume I was.

for the bus, it doesn't matter who the shooter was.

it would bus you or coag to annul from tack, and the shooter you or coag would die. either way, the town KP was lost.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 28 2011 14:34 GMT
#2411
On March 28 2011 23:31 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 22:50 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:44 deconduo wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:38 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you?

I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing.


Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him?

Coag shot Tackster

Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun.

Tackster was protected by a bus driver.

Tackster admits to his theft.

If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me?

But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again.
You are either terrified of being wrong or scum.

I'm leaning towards scum.


Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players.

Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless.

If he were town he wouldn't have been bussed.
He would have stolen my band aid and coag would have shot him and this whole damn thing would have been over with.
But it's actually a good thing to watch and see who continues to defend him.


Why not? Pretend Tack is town and Lemon is the mafia. WHAT WOULD MAFIA DO?

Don't avoid this question in any way. Just give me your honest opinion on what mafia would do.

Let me shoot tack. Then I get lynched.


Situation 1:
Lemon
Tack
Coag
Jackal

Situation 2:

Lemon
Coag
Jackal
Annul

You are saying that Lemon would prefer to be in situation 2? You think he would find it easier to lynch you if it was situation 2 over lynching Tack in situation 1?

Yes. Half of you guys are still convinced I'm scum anyways.
Life can only kill you once.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 28 2011 14:40 GMT
#2412
On March 28 2011 23:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:31 deconduo wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:50 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:44 deconduo wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:38 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:
On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:
On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you?

I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing.


Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him?

Coag shot Tackster

Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun.

Tackster was protected by a bus driver.

Tackster admits to his theft.

If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me?

But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again.
You are either terrified of being wrong or scum.

I'm leaning towards scum.


Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players.

Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless.

If he were town he wouldn't have been bussed.
He would have stolen my band aid and coag would have shot him and this whole damn thing would have been over with.
But it's actually a good thing to watch and see who continues to defend him.


Why not? Pretend Tack is town and Lemon is the mafia. WHAT WOULD MAFIA DO?

Don't avoid this question in any way. Just give me your honest opinion on what mafia would do.

Let me shoot tack. Then I get lynched.


Situation 1:
Lemon
Tack
Coag
Jackal

Situation 2:

Lemon
Coag
Jackal
Annul

You are saying that Lemon would prefer to be in situation 2? You think he would find it easier to lynch you if it was situation 2 over lynching Tack in situation 1?

Yes. Half of you guys are still convinced I'm scum anyways.


Is that why you have 15 people voting to lynch you? Get off your high horse and use your brain. You don't listen. You don't think. You don't reason. You don't use logic.

Why would Tack bus to annul? Annul was the most likely to support him out of all four. It makes perfect sense if any of Jackal/LW/Coag are mafia to bus to annul. The only person it doesn't make sense for is if Tack is mafia.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 28 2011 14:46 GMT
#2413
On March 28 2011 21:48 Jackal58 wrote:
I think RoL will be more fun.

Don't pick a fight you have no hopes of winning.
btw I have an analysis coming on someone. I will most likely release it during the night cycle as to not add anymore confusion to today. Currently I see two people up for a lynch LW and Tack. I don't need to add a speculative analysis into play on that. We can lynch my suspect after that issue is resolved.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 28 2011 15:24 GMT
#2414
On March 28 2011 23:26 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

but if that was true, then if the bomb went off, the bus driver would of died too... I don't think they would sacrifice their bus driver to kill coag in the item game.


Also, why was annul shot twice? That's a question too...hmmm

and @Jackal and @Coag, you said you would rethink your decision on who was mafia if new info came out. Bum came out with new info. Also LSB came out with the new info that apparently Annul stole the mood ring? Tackster, did this happen? Why weren't we informed earlier?

Here's the list of questions I have that I'm thinking about:

1) Why did Tackster get bussed to annul?
To get a double kill from annul's bomb?

2) Why was annul shot twice if Tackster was bus?
To make sure annul was dead?

3) Why does annul have the mood ring and why didn't Tackster say he got it stolen?

and finally
4) Why did LW show up as blue from a check?

At this point I can no longer safely say that Tackster is beyond a doubt mafia so I'm going to read through LW and Tackster's posts. Plans are nice and all but at the end of the day post analysis is king. Every what Ver/BC/Ace have said about plans guys, town relies too much on them, post analysis is best.

Also @Jackal and @Coag, tunnel a bit less and just take a step back. What if Bum's check on LW came up red? Would you say he got framed? You said you were open to new info but clearly at this point you're not since you continue to not only 1) push the issue even though weird info is coming up and 2) just claim everyone who is defending Tackster to be scum. Is that really advantageous for town? In the end we've just created an clusterfuck of a convo. Calm the fuck down and think about everything. Something is wrong, we need to figure it out. Let's not just say, nope, can't figure it out, BASH HEAD AGAINST TACK!!!
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
March 28 2011 15:27 GMT
#2415
On March 28 2011 11:29 LSB wrote:
Clarification, the potato did not blow up. It was simply removed from the game with Annul's death


for those talking about the potato: it didn't go off.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 28 2011 15:30 GMT
#2416
On March 29 2011 00:27 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 11:29 LSB wrote:
Clarification, the potato did not blow up. It was simply removed from the game with Annul's death


for those talking about the potato: it didn't go off.


Yeah, thanks, we know it didn't go off, if it did Tack would be dead too
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
March 28 2011 15:34 GMT
#2417
Some people were arguing about it, i'm just clarifying.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 28 2011 15:36 GMT
#2418
On March 29 2011 00:24 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 23:26 Insanious wrote:
On March 28 2011 23:25 tnkted wrote:
I'm still on page 14 but theres an important point that nobody has brought up yet: Scum thought that annul was using his bomb. Thats why the bussed coag to annul, not because they wanted annul gone or anything, but because they wanted coag to die.

but if that was true, then if the bomb went off, the bus driver would of died too... I don't think they would sacrifice their bus driver to kill coag in the item game.


Also, why was annul shot twice? That's a question too...hmmm

and @Jackal and @Coag, you said you would rethink your decision on who was mafia if new info came out. Bum came out with new info. Also LSB came out with the new info that apparently Annul stole the mood ring? Tackster, did this happen? Why weren't we informed earlier?

Here's the list of questions I have that I'm thinking about:

1) Why did Tackster get bussed to annul?
To get a double kill from annul's bomb?

2) Why was annul shot twice if Tackster was bus?
To make sure annul was dead?

3) Why does annul have the mood ring and why didn't Tackster say he got it stolen?

and finally
4) Why did LW show up as blue from a check?

At this point I can no longer safely say that Tackster is beyond a doubt mafia so I'm going to read through LW and Tackster's posts. Plans are nice and all but at the end of the day post analysis is king. Every what Ver/BC/Ace have said about plans guys, town relies too much on them, post analysis is best.

Also @Jackal and @Coag, tunnel a bit less and just take a step back. What if Bum's check on LW came up red? Would you say he got framed? You said you were open to new info but clearly at this point you're not since you continue to not only 1) push the issue even though weird info is coming up and 2) just claim everyone who is defending Tackster to be scum. Is that really advantageous for town? In the end we've just created an clusterfuck of a convo. Calm the fuck down and think about everything. Something is wrong, we need to figure it out. Let's not just say, nope, can't figure it out, BASH HEAD AGAINST TACK!!!

I'm still waiting for bum to explain his 85% - 100% Tack is scum statement.
Life can only kill you once.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 28 2011 15:43 GMT
#2419
On March 29 2011 00:36 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm still waiting for bum to explain his 85% - 100% Tack is scum statement.


Do you believe Bum is blue?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 28 2011 15:45 GMT
#2420
Bum didn't say tack was scum, did he? I thought he said LW had a funky check but was leaning towards tack as well.
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