TL Mafia XXXVII - Page 3

On February 28 2011 02:04 LSB wrote:
In addition, this is the same problem with Barundar's push against Jackal58,

On February 27 2011 19:08 Barundar wrote:
It’s day 1, there is limited information to pick from. Didn’t stop you from providing “proof” of annul of course. What’s interesting is you didn’t find Jackal’s post scummy at all. Other people did, and Darmousseh found it reasoned enough to vote for it. I still don’t know if Jackal is town or not, but you seem to do.

Only mafia know’s whos innocent and whos guilty. The rest of us only have our arguments and assumptions.

Now let me show you a contradiction: if Jackal is such an awesome scumhunter, why don’t you place him as such on your list? You place him as an easy bus, yet I can’t recall jackal actually being lynched except as mafia. On the one hand you argue Jackal is a great scumhunter, on the other you argue he is an easy bus. So which one is it?

I completely agree. See this post.

On February 27 2011 19:04 Barundar wrote:
LSB doesn’t need convincing of Foolishness either:

This argument has no behaviour support at this point in the game. It’s an arbitrary reason for placing trust in someone, and it lacks that distrust of others that is indicative of town behaviour.

On February 27 2011 01:43 Barundar wrote:
At the same time it’s clear from the night hits that we have at least 1 experienced analysist on the scum team. The only really experienced players in the game are LSB and Foolishness.

On February 28 2011 02:08 deconduo wrote:
@LSB
Thats not much of a defense.

On February 28 2011 02:47 Barundar wrote:
Lynch Barundar, when he flips red it proves I'm green
Fine with me.

On February 28 2011 02:48 why wrote:
@LSB What exactly is your argument again? As far as I can tell it is "he forced analysis on Jackal to shift the lynch from annul" and now "Barundar's case on me isn't that good". You seem awful sure for that to be your evidence.

I have a question: If Barundar is red, then why did he do analysis on Jackal rather than on icemac or gryff yesterday? Both of them had more heat on them and would have been an easier lynch than starting something on jackal.

On February 28 2011 03:42 chaoser wrote:


Think he's talk about you kev.

Also, LSB, shame on you. Your whole defense has been lynch him first! he's mafia!

I'm not! when he flips red you'll see how I'm green. You claim all he's doing is WIFOM but you're doing the same by linking to old games. We can't trust "play style" analysis 100% since smart players will obviously change it up. Or not change it up. That's WIFOM too.

Respond to his individual points please, until you do my vote will be on you. He was willing to write a fucking essay; if he was mafia trying that hard, and you're really town, you would try just as hard. So far you're not and so you scumminess is getting higher for me.

On February 27 2011 03:46 LSB wrote:

Imo jackal is an easier lynch candidate because his posts are borderline spam (but correct spam written with a gold pen), and gryf had mods telling people to lay off speculation on who his he.
In addition, Bill Murray town play is exactly like how you described, a simple link to Haunted Mafia would have killed any serious bandwagon.


I'm going to hold you accountable to this


That was an accusation?
This is what your points were.
1) Tried to find mafia from Annul's pre-written Goodbye post
2) Speculated that Rol must have ensured that foolishness and me are on different teams
3) Assume that Annul would let me bus him
4) Says that my scumdar was too good
5) Claim that not voting for Annul is a town tell.

Do you seriously want me to respond to them?

On February 28 2011 04:15 chaoser wrote:


Yes, I think some of it is WIFOM. But the fact that he wrote a 3 post essay + the fact that you won't even consider the idea that maybe he is town makes me wary of you.

Either way, the same can be said for you. If you get lynched, and you flip green, he will be suspect.

On February 28 2011 02:15 deconduo wrote:


Flawed/bad argument. You claimed host wouldn't pick Foolishness as mafia. He claimed there was an experienced player due to the play, and that you and Foolishness were the 2 most experienced. Theres a big difference.

On February 28 2011 04:16 deconduo wrote:
Why does everyone ignore me...

On February 28 2011 04:23 Barundar wrote:
1) annul lynch was a bus. He offered little resistance and the majority of the votes was only barely beceause they thought he was mafia.

2) You try to take more credit for the lynch than what is due. Your need for medic protection on yourself alone is anti town.

3) Your posts so far lacks scumhunting, there is no "if"'s or "but"''s regarding allignment and consist of bad to no reasons. A pattern you have repeated since votes started stacking on you.

4) Your case on me is an OMGUS, that boils down to lynch me first for proof. There is no reasoning, only lynch, lynch lynch.

I wrote 3 extensive posts arguing for my case, so if you want clarification of those 4 points just read them. Bumatlarge had a nice point with the lists not saying anything of LSB's allignment that I didn't include.

On February 28 2011 04:33 chaoser wrote:


No, i think he's MORE town than you because after his essay your responses have been lacking. My vote right after his case against you was:

1) me thinking jesus...no way mafia did this (illogical yes, but still, i'm sure the idea that "this isn't mafia-like" crossed many people's minds.)

2) to pressure you to see how you would respond. You didn't respond well.

To be truthful, the idea that both of you were green crossed my mind many times but after your recent responses...I dunno...

On February 28 2011 04:52 chaoser wrote:
To me your case against his case against you is

1) His case is a lot of fluff that's WIFOM
2) One of the reasons he thinks I'm mafia is cause he doesn't think Foolishness is
3) He will flip red and I will be exonerated

Is that correct?

On February 28 2011 04:42 LastArgument wrote:
This post ranks players in three catagories.
1 being the “top players”
2 being ones who have experience or shown to have it
3 being people who have less experience than 2
4 being new players.

However, if you start reading the post more carefully, you will realize it’s a post indicating how the mafia “should” hit people to avoid off the radar. Now, a mafia reading this post now knows how to properly divide hits to maximize the team from dying. It doesn’t directly say how we should be saving those people, or how to analyze them. (note: he makes a short post on “how to use this list” right after but essentially says its useless till day 4-5).

This list didn’t provide people who should be dt checked, it didn’t provide a list of who should be medic protected. It instead provided a long post that doesn’t help the town as much as it helps mafia. Why make a post as town that shows activity but barely helps the town at all? This could be a lack of experience on my part, but it surprises me this post was made without further detailing or breaking down of how the town can use the information aside from “bide and wait till people die to pin the reds”

On February 28 2011 06:15 Jackal58 wrote:

We are aware of your willingness. What is your unwillingness to lynch gryffindor?