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ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
January 29 2011 00:08 GMT
#1021
Just leave it. He will die if he keeps playing like that anyways.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
January 29 2011 00:09 GMT
#1022
On January 29 2011 08:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Modkills hurt the town even more than usually because there will be no way to tell if our lynch was correct when there are a bunch of other deaths mixed into the census.


It's also very rare that modkills are mafia, because mafia is fun to play + they have teammates that will usually bug them to vote on time.

However, fortunately modkills don't interfere with the biggest way we're going to tell how many mafia are left in the game - counting the number of nightkills.
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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 29 2011 00:17 GMT
#1023
Lol want me to pick appart your post? It's filled with so many inconsistencies it's unbelievable. And whats with the apologies, did you get called out? Or just feeling nervous?

You have someone on your mind you would definitely kill if SK or mayor? As far as I know those 2 have different motives for their kills, atleast if the mayor is town. Unless you have some special knowledge of Kav's allignment? And if you want someone to get vigi'd you better speak up with names, if you are sure enough to kill them yourself?

You don't feel like voting anyone, yett you are voting for something you yourself call a weak wagon? And when was Kav a lynch target before your post?
But if he's SK, then mafia might go for him, and that might uncover things about BGs. If he's mafia, SK might go for BG and uncover stuff about other SK/Mafia

Mafia can't night kill SK, so by go for him you mean start a bandwagon him? Something like you just did? This whole sentence is wishy washy, what information would SK gain from killing off BG's?

You posted alot of thoughts on bodyguards day 1, but I found your posts really low on other content.
Bartundar
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 29 2011 00:17 GMT
#1024
The above is directed at Cubedin.
Bartundar
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 29 2011 00:37 GMT
#1025
On January 29 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
There's clue analysis in Deconduo's post I quoted, stuff related to the scary movie and the thunder, lightning, rain, mostly stuff from the first day post.

If he avoids mod kill I think he's an excellent candidate for our next lynch. Not today's but tomorrow.

To you guys saying to use analysis instead of clues I say horsepucky. This game is set up in a manner that allows scum to play exactly as town. No flips allows them even more anonymity. Clues are all we can really rely on atm.
Nemesis and Mr Zergling are the two best fits to what we have atm. I'm guessing one of them is SK.
Life can only kill you once.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 29 2011 00:39 GMT
#1026
On January 29 2011 09:17 Barundar wrote:
Lol want me to pick appart your post? It's filled with so many inconsistencies it's unbelievable. And whats with the apologies, did you get called out? Or just feeling nervous?

Obviously, I'm feeling nervous because so many people are targeting me.
I just apologized for lack of activity during this day.

You have someone on your mind you would definitely kill if SK or mayor? As far as I know those 2 have different motives for their kills, atleast if the mayor is town. Unless you have some special knowledge of Kav's allignment? And if you want someone to get vigi'd you better speak up with names, if you are sure enough to kill them yourself?

You misunderstand.
I meant that I would kill someone if I had complete power over one kill.
If I were mayor, I'd aim for SK/Mafia. If I were SK I'd aim for other SK/Mafia. So yeah. It doesn't matter what I was (vig would work as well), but if I had a kill of my own, it would be that person.
I have, as you'd call it, a hunch. A pretty good one too, but there's no REAL evidence for me to back it up with. If I were to make a case against him, it would be weak.
If I were to die the night after I made the case, you guys wouldn't have enough reason to kill said person.
So why rush into "analysis" and risk getting killed, when I could make a good case against said person during the next day or two days from now?

You don't feel like voting anyone, yett you are voting for something you yourself call a weak wagon? And when was Kav a lynch target before your post?

I already said that Nemesis kinda-sorta-fits the clue about meapak, it's a weak wagon but it's the best I found on my own anyway.
I don't know what you mean. I never implied said person was Kav. I just said that it would be the kind of kill I'd make IF I were kav on day one (when he had complete power over lynch).
In fact, I don't think he's red, and even if he were, I don't think killing the mayor would be a good Idea. I said this before.

Show nested quote +
But if he's SK, then mafia might go for him, and that might uncover things about BGs. If he's mafia, SK might go for BG and uncover stuff about other SK/Mafia

Mafia can't night kill SK, so by go for him you mean start a bandwagon him? Something like you just did? This whole sentence is wishy washy, what information would SK gain from killing off BG's?

This may be a bit hard for you to comprehend, since you said I was "going on" about BGs on day one. But BGs are a crucial part of this game.
Here's why:
a) Say town lynches a BG.
Night can very well be a dead mayor (since other BG may be mafia). We lose census AND we lose the power to see if initial lynch was right. We lynch BG, we have... 1 red for mayor+surprise target.
b) Say both BGs are scum
Town will go all game in fear of lynching them, and they will run amok.

So yeah. If a bg dies, then the next night will tell us A LOT, since I'm pretty sure that if Kav is town, then mafia will go for him. Either by killing other bg, or by 'going around' if they're red.
IMO, any BG death will give us useful information, but will most likely also lead us to eventually losing the game because of lack of information about anything.

You posted alot of thoughts on bodyguards day 1, but I found your posts really low on other content.

That is true, but I have expressed my thoughts on the lynch targets, and I have expressed opinions about the rest of the game.
The only thing I didn't speak about was "post analysis", simply because I'm not good at it. I did talk about behavior analysis, mainly how people played games before this. It's the best I can do at the moment, that and focusing on clues.
If you think that's good enough reason to lynch me, then by all means, vote for me.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
January 29 2011 01:02 GMT
#1027
On January 29 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote:
##Vote Nemesis

and the bandwagon against me continues

I'm not even going to bother to defend myself anymore as there isn't even a strong case against me.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 01:19 GMT
#1028
Found a really quick connection on my commute, just wanted to say I still think that Zergling is scum, but his likly modkill throws a wrench in the mix. I think those voting RoL should vote Zerling, so that if he is modkilled, Nemesis is the back up.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 29 2011 01:19 GMT
#1029
On January 29 2011 09:39 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2011 09:17 Barundar wrote:
Lol want me to pick appart your post? It's filled with so many inconsistencies it's unbelievable. And whats with the apologies, did you get called out? Or just feeling nervous?

Obviously, I'm feeling nervous because so many people are targeting me.
I just apologized for lack of activity during this day.

Only Coagulation targeted you. With a list and no reasons. Yeah, your apologies where overreacting, and that’s suspicious. Right now I'm directly targeting you, and the apologetic tone is gone.

On January 29 2011 09:39 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +

You have someone on your mind you would definitely kill if SK or mayor? As far as I know those 2 have different motives for their kills, atleast if the mayor is town. Unless you have some special knowledge of Kav's allignment? And if you want someone to get vigi'd you better speak up with names, if you are sure enough to kill them yourself?

You misunderstand.
I meant that I would kill someone if I had complete power over one kill.
If I were mayor, I'd aim for SK/Mafia. If I were SK I'd aim for other SK/Mafia. So yeah. It doesn't matter what I was (vig would work as well), but if I had a kill of my own, it would be that person.
I have, as you'd call it, a hunch. A pretty good one too, but there's no REAL evidence for me to back it up with. If I were to make a case against him, it would be weak.
If I were to die the night after I made the case, you guys wouldn't have enough reason to kill said person.
So why rush into "analysis" and risk getting killed, when I could make a good case against said person during the next day or two days from now?

Why do you think a SK would hit mafia? This early in the game they will be aiming for blues.

And we should have some vigis around. If you feel someone should die, just suggest it to them and they can decide. You are being really wishy washy regarding 3 named persons, and extremely secretive about this person you would definitely kill. I'll hold you to this.
On January 29 2011 09:39 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +

But if he's SK, then mafia might go for him, and that might uncover things about BGs. If he's mafia, SK might go for BG and uncover stuff about other SK/Mafia

Mafia can't night kill SK, so by go for him you mean start a bandwagon him? Something like you just did? This whole sentence is wishy washy, what information would SK gain from killing off BG's?

This may be a bit hard for you to comprehend, since you said I was "going on" about BGs on day one. But BGs are a crucial part of this game.
Here's why:
a) Say town lynches a BG.
Night can very well be a dead mayor (since other BG may be mafia). We lose census AND we lose the power to see if initial lynch was right. We lynch BG, we have... 1 red for mayor+surprise target.
b) Say both BGs are scum
Town will go all game in fear of lynching them, and they will run amok.

So yeah. If a bg dies, then the next night will tell us A LOT, since I'm pretty sure that if Kav is town, then mafia will go for him. Either by killing other bg, or by 'going around' if they're red.
IMO, any BG death will give us useful information, but will most likely also lead us to eventually losing the game because of lack of information about anything.

Speculating in BG’s was fine to a certain degree. But at some point it becomes just a mechanic that takes up pages without bringing us closer to scum. Mafia loves these neutral questions that makes them look like they are active and contributing.

On January 29 2011 09:39 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +

You posted alot of thoughts on bodyguards day 1, but I found your posts really low on other content.

That is true, but I have expressed my thoughts on the lynch targets, and I have expressed opinions about the rest of the game.
The only thing I didn't speak about was "post analysis", simply because I'm not good at it. I did talk about behavior analysis, mainly how people played games before this. It's the best I can do at the moment, that and focusing on clues.
If you think that's good enough reason to lynch me, then by all means, vote for me.

Boohoo someone is questioning me.

I’m not going to push for your lynch when there is no clues pointing towards you.
Bartundar
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
January 29 2011 01:23 GMT
#1030
My only qualm about the Nemesis vote is that no one is trying to defend him, if he were mafia I think we would have more people trying to defend him. For that reason I'm going to switch over to Mr.Zergling for his lurking behavior.
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 29 2011 01:34 GMT
#1031
On January 29 2011 10:19 Barundar wrote:
Why do you think a SK would hit mafia? This early in the game they will be aiming for blues.


I don't know, haven't been SK, but I guess it makes sense to go for town because mafia can't kill them.
Though, actually, in the beginning it's ok to dim the numbers of mafia as well for some reasons:
1. There will be less mafia -> clues will be pointing more or less to same people -> less people focusing on the SK
2. Team of players will be more likely to convince town to lynch SK, especially if they targeted SK and SK didn't die => They can basically "role-check" you.

In fact, it may be more ok to go for mafia in the beginning and drop their numbers to 3 or so, and then focus on town. But I haven't given it too much thought until now.

And we should have some vigis around. If you feel someone should die, just suggest it to them and they can decide. You are being really wishy washy regarding 3 named persons, and extremely secretive about this person you would definitely kill. I'll hold you to this.

I know what you mean, but I need a bit more time. I promise that you'll understand why if I get to post my analysis. And don't worry about it, I'll post it even if said person dies.

However (and this is pointed both to you and gmarshall), I don't understand why you would vote for someone who's gonna get mod-killed anyway. I don't like lurkers either, but that seems like a safe vote that won't attract attention.

I get that we should vote for who we feel is right, but your vote is useless unless he posts at the last second, in which case, sure, we lynch him next night.

This seems scummier than most of the things that have been held against players so far.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 29 2011 01:41 GMT
#1032
On January 29 2011 10:28 Coagulation wrote:
##unvote Nemesis

##Vote zerroth

What the fuck Coag?

You can't act like you don't know this is extremely incriminating.
So either you're:
a) A really bad mafia player with Nemesis in their team
b) A townie that feels like they don't wanna play anymore.

You may do dumb things sometimes but I don't think you're dumb enough to be in case a). Which means that you're playing anti-town, which should be against the rules.
Switching vote to someone who's gonna get mod-killed is just dumb, at least vote for yourself to show you're abstaining.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 29 2011 01:41 GMT
#1033
With 20 minutes remaining, the mafia controls who gets lynched. Splitting votes across four candidates allows a single vote to change the lynch results. Coag, I don't know why you would vote for zerroth when you have four votes against you and leave yourself vulnerable to being lynched.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 29 2011 01:43 GMT
#1034
Because he's being a douche.

I didn't notice you had 4 votes against you, thought it was less. Then vote for some other player that's not about to get mod-killed. -__-
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
January 29 2011 02:00 GMT
#1035
Wait. The night post is going to be two hours late, does this mean that we have two more hours on this lynch?
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#1036
On January 29 2011 11:00 Kavdragon wrote:
Wait. The night post is going to be two hours late, does this mean that we have two more hours on this lynch?


I don't think so. 6 modkills is disgusting :/
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
January 29 2011 02:03 GMT
#1037
Yes we do. Node said Day ends 11 EST. which is 2 hours from this post.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 29 2011 02:03 GMT
#1038
no one defended nemesis all day. i dont think hes mafia.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 29 2011 02:03 GMT
#1039
I don't know, I was wondering the same thing. I was actually planning on switching my vote prior to the lynch, and had read the extension as a voting extension as well. On rereading, I think it's just a delayed night post though, and voting is closed. Didn't want to change my vote with ~2 minutes left either, that's when I got back from dinner haha.
you gotta dance
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 29 2011 02:04 GMT
#1040
should i leave my vote on someone who i dont think is likely to be mafia.
i would rather abstain.
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