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On January 20 2011 22:04 Jackal58 wrote: Their posts may be all fluff and no stuff but they will post. I'd actually want less fluff and have players post less but bigger posts cause mafia can easily blend into a whole group of people writing fluff and then we're fucked. If everyone is writing big posts then mafia is hard pressed to write big posts too and so if they write small posts they stick out like a sore thumb. If they write long posts there's more a change they'll mess up and give themselves away. Either way they react, we win. Right now the main thing we're looking for is for everyone to "check in" with a post. When does day end lol? Mad scared lol | ||
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4. BloodyC0bbler 5. ShoCkeyy 6. Pandain So to get my fellow super secret friendship club member to speak up #Vote: Pandain =]] | ||
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The problem with abstaining is that we basically let mafia have a free turn. Rather than voting, and therefore collecting vital information and discussion, no one is lynched, and we end up on day 2 being none the wiser. It's basically as if we started on day 2. I've thought about how if there were blue roles like DT or medic then longer time till LYLO via abstaining is actually better for town. But that assumes there are even blue roles to begin with and like others have said, dependence of blue roles is bad. Feel like that's why mafia win so often on TL Mafia. Town either tries to hatch some sort of plan or PM circles get formed too easily or everyone is inactive till a blue comes out and is like "HI! I'M BLUE! ANALYZE THIS!". That being said, I feel like we should focus on a small set of players a day instead of making it a 5 person accusation clusterfuck. So many times I've been in a game where town had done that. 4-5 people who aren't even mafia start accusing each other and mafia just sits back and laughs. Maybe in mini games that happens less? Post big, post less, say more please. Reading through 30 pages of back and forth spam makes me a sad (panda). | ||
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Of course I was laying low seeing as all the active kids kept dying first Staying low doesn't help the town. I wasn't in that game but is active players were being killed off by mafia, I don't think that's a bad thing, it just means the active players are getting somewhere with what they were saying. The point of the game isn't to stay alive but to help town win. I'd take my death over inactivity that leads to town loss any day. | ||
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I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. To be fair, he's at work and can only post via his cell. Just saying. | ||
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On January 21 2011 06:50 Pandain wrote: I don't like this post either. Let's take a look at it. First off, lynching inactives itself is a bad strategy. I shall be lenient to him because even I make this mistake, but lynching inactives is a horrible thing to do. When we say "lynch inactives", we mean "lynch lurkers." We want to differentiate the lurkers from the inactives/bored. If we say we'll lynch the inactives, the inactives won't respond. IF we say we'll lynch the inactives, the bored won't really respond. Only the mafia will respond if we say lynch the inactives. Which is why you never want to end up LYNCHING an inactive, just pressuring all of them to post. Furthormore, he just repeated information without actually adding anything to it. Finally he goes for the "easy" kill. This is typical mafia to me. I now offer Nemesis as a viable option for a real lynch. I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat. There have been games where inactivity lost town the game. And I'm not talking about people being active and then becoming inactive. I'm talking about inactives staying inactive. Town doesn't want to waste lynches on them past day one and then you get like 3-4 inactives just sitting around at the end of the game making it almost impossible to weed out the last 2-3 mafia that are hiding within their ranks. Also, you're talking about semantics. Whether we mean inactive or lurker, inactive means they ain't posting and so from the point of view of the town, it's the same thing, a bad thing. Its like our policy to lynch millers. Doesn't matter if they are real mafia or not, if someone comes up as red, its better to lynch them than not to. Saying we're going to lynch inactive might not do anything but voting and pressuring them will get them to post so your point on that is wrong too. If they are truly "inactive", as in they are away from the comp, they won't come defend themselves and we can get a sense of whether they are "inactive" or a "lurker" as you put it. I'm actually weary of people who go "omg he wants to lynch inactive, he's mafia!" Everyone knows what people mean when they say lets lynch inactive day one, it's just a way to generate discussion. Most games start with people saying lynch inactive. And most of the time they're not mafia. Why did you jump to quickly to say he's mafia? We got a whole day left and not everyone has said anything yet. | ||
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Did you just say this? .I disagree with this post. While lynching inactives is suboptimal as a strategy when compared to lynching mafia, I wouldn't say it's a bad strat Do you disagree? I mean, I assume you do but like the example I listed, lynching inactives isn't a bad strat for day 1. While we might not hit mafia, we do weed out the forest that they can hide in once the game gets to late game. I'm not saying lets lynch an inactive every day, which you seem to be painting the people who have said "lynch inactive" as. I'm saying inactives are bad. I don't want inactives. I'd rather lynch one of them than going on a wild goose chase. That being said, if someone sees scummy, I'd go after them. But at this point, before everyone has even responded in the thread, a push to lynch someone is premature at best, scummy at worst. Not to say you're scum, fellow secret friendship club member =p Also, I don't think this game will have the problem of inactively, everyone seems semi active so far =] so i am happy. | ||
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##Vote Shockeyy I haven't seen you post anything useful at all so far other than excuses for being inactive and useless one-liners. Shockey already said he's at work like twice so I think it's unfair/weird for someone to be calling him out when we still got a day left. But I'd rather wait till tomorrow when everyone has weighted in before just throwing FoS all willy nilly. | ||
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On January 21 2011 07:39 GGQ wrote: Whether or not everyone has posted has nothing to do with whether or not Nemesis's posts are scummy. Pandain was right to call him out. Maybe not for you, but it does for me. I like to consolidate all the information I can get before I make a decision. I almost got kicked out of a game by BM cause I kept trying to consolidate vote lists/changes in votes. I'd rather have people do that instead of people (mafia) jumping on a bandwagon early and just riding it to the end. I'm just scared of people being rash. | ||
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I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken. You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being. | ||
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Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead! Aside from not posting much, I don't know how I feel about shockeyy. i'm going to stick to my vote on pandain. Why go for someone he supports when you can just go for the main target. His jumping around on votes really makes me suspicious. | ||
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The only thing I'm worried about is the last minute switching by Pandain and Barundar to LSB though I don't know what it means. At first it looked like they were switching to save Shockeyy last minute but then he flipped green...I suggest, like LSB said, on a check of barundar and pandain but with a check on Barundar more important than Pandain. While pandain gave a reason, barundar seems like he just followed along. | ||
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So the thing that make me think Pandain isn't [r]red[/r]: 1) Both Shockey and LSB were green, why would mafia switch from one to the other? It makes no sense since a dead townie is still a dead townie. At first I thought like you too, but stepping back, I noticed it was a weird thing that happened last night. What do others think? Might be wrong lol. | ||
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He would switch in order to guarantee a lynch. There was already a guaranteed lynch though. At that point I think it was like 4 on Shockey and 1 of LSB. It was only because of Pandain's switch that caused the "tie". Which is why I'm so confused. | ||
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Yeah but if Pandain hadn't switched to LSB/posted about it GGQ's vote would have meant nothing and no tie would have happened. | ||
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On January 24 2011 11:31 Pandain wrote: Why I believe Nemesis is mafia. Summary: Nemesis to me is scum. From "contributing without really contributing", weak contribution compared to his previous game(such as lack of analysis) to his general posts this game, Nemesis has been playing scummy. Note how when he was town he would contribute alot, and I even waited a day for Nemesis to perhaps post something, but its very likely in my eyes that he's scum, and just wanted the day to go by. I'm unsure about nearly everyone, but Nemesis in my eyes is our best bet. You confuse me this game Pandain...I don't understand your logic at all and maybe that's the ploy, to do crazy random shit that no one can follow. You say Nemesis is "contributing without really contributing" but you're even worse. Before this analysis, you were basically "contributing so much that you weren't contributing at all." By jumping from target to target and playing up the fact that you were only doing this to "start up conversation", you basically had no opinion on the game because you pointed fingers at everything and everyone. You realize that isn't helping town right? Making conversation is good, making the topic change every 10 minutes is bad. We went from Nemesis to BC to Shockey to LSB. I think there was someone else in there but basically by doing that, we can't pin you down for anything. Do you see how you're doing the same thing as "contributing without really contributing"? Also, you're riding on him for not contributing today when more than half the town didn't contribute. I don't think that's a strong claim at all. Does that mean GGQ and Hesmyrr and Me are mafia too? Even you barely contributed today until a few hours ago. It's the semi finals for the NFL so maybe that's why some people aren't here? I know that's what I was doing all day. I really don't understand...I don't think you're mafia just cause you're playing so randomly and loud but at the same time that's so WIFOM...for all I know, in a few hours, you're going to jump to trying to lynch someone else...can someone else weigh in on this? I'm confused as fuck on Pandain's actions. What do you think GGQ...I just don't even...sigh Pandain, can you explain what your logic was for your actions on Day 1? Would make my life easier. | ||
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It's called creating your own information. Day 1 is all about that. In most day 1's, we have no information at all. With the exception of Nemesis, all of my accusations day 1 were not serious, they were just to get them talking as well as generate discussion from others. I do this in all my games as town, I pressure people until they talk enough. For example, the reason why I unvoted Nemesis and waited was to see if he would actually start to help scum hunt. If they weren't serious, why did you vote for Shockey? And why did you switch to LSB, not Nemesis, if he was the exception? Something's not adding up... Take me out of the equation. What information would we have had? We still have no information...just you saying that you think Nemesis is mafia with no real solid backing, in my opinion. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like you're grasping at empty straws. Post a better analysis please. And leave out the "he didn't scum hunt, only went after inactives" argument, it's getting stale. | ||
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After much deliberation I've decided to vote Pandain. It was hard but it ultimately came down to this question: If they weren't serious, why did you vote for Shockey? And why did you switch to LSB, not Nemesis, if he was the exception? Something's not adding up... If you were only serious about Nemesis, why vote for Shockey? Why switch to LSB? Could have broken the tie with a vote on Nemesis as well. If you're town, please don't play like this in the future, there are better ways of getting info and conversation. If you're mafia, nice try, but just cause you played the same style as previous games does not mean much to me. I don't enjoy looking at things from a meta-perspective and I think some games are lost solely because people depend too much on it, especially if they only looked at it in a shallow manner. ##Vote: Pandain Going to class, it ends at 9:30. Hopefully I'll be back before 10. | ||
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On January 25 2011 11:43 Jackal58 wrote: Again we are faced with a tie. Mod kill has apparently been averted. I'm going to be brutally honest and say that towns best interest atm is to allow the tie to go forward. Back from class. I concur, lets let it tie, it buys us a day and lets us have better chances at finding mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2011 13:02 GGQ wrote: Hi guys, busy as fuck today, genuinely sorry it took so long for me to get to this game. I apologize. As kitaman27 just said, I think we're in a decent spot if town survives. Barundar apparently was willing to risk at least 2/3 mafia on the chance that they'll win tonight, but the game is still going so apparently we still have hope to see the morning. When Nemesis was going to be lynched 4:3, Barundar switched over to Pandain. Pandain was green. This should be clear enough that Baranduar and Nemesis are scum (looking back at their posts, Nemesis has been pretty scummy since the start, and Barundar has stayed pretty lurky with few posts and some questionable vote switching already on day 1). It is highly likely that the last scum is also voting for Pandain, which makes it either jackal58 or chaoser. Jackal58 may be surprised to hear that I think the last mafia is almost certainly chaoser. The guy has been posting noncommittal, meaningless fluff since the start of the game. Far too cautious, he was also the first person to soft-defend Nemesis after Pandain's initial vote. chaoser has done little to no analysis, parroting things that others have already said, or making posts that say nothing at all. IF we survive, we will need each lynch correct for the rest of the game. I strongly feel that these are our targets. What do you all think? Busing your own teammates and throwing me in as the last mafia huh? How convenient of you to suddenly post right after night starts with your vote yesterday on Jackal of all people. | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:27 kitaman27 wrote: Just curious, did mafia intend to do the ninja vote swap to pandain regardless of my vote or were you guys waiting it see which way I went? I tried to put mine in at the last minute, but it was probably like 30 seconds too early. We didn't intend it at all, it was cause Hes switched out. At the point we were all like ughhhh, no way people going to think he's mafia. There's 4 hours left in the day, why would mafia leave? There's no reason to leave cause you can just leave it to the rest of your team and just vote. | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:31 GGQ wrote: To be honest, I think we all had Hes as the most pro-town player in the game anyways... even if he stayed I wouldnt have thought he could be maf What gave me away =p Any improvements/advice? I want to know what BC thought of my play lol | ||
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On January 26 2011 12:33 GMarshal wrote: BC what do you define as "realllly big no no discussions"? You guys made it really easy for me to just contribute with discussions that just had no purpose. "What's the difference btw lurker/inactive, how do we find them, what should blue do, lets lynch inactive". | ||
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