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On January 23 2011 23:50 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 22:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2011 12:54 Pandain wrote:On January 22 2011 12:52 Hesmyrr wrote: My case against him was: 1. Bandwagon vote that specifically states that he is bandwagoning (that's why I went for you in that game you were scum too).
2. Indirectly derailing discussion.
3. Not yet to offer opinions on anyone else.
4. Self-vote.
What is yours? Since I'm afraid of tie my vote is unfortunately frozen for moment til someone else joins in, I'd appreciate it if you quickly provide your arguments against LSB too. 1.Bad logic, which wouldn't normally be bad but he's not new at all 2.Contradictory statements Not a great amount, but considering day 1 I think it's decent amount to lynch LSB. Yet you switched. On January 22 2011 12:58 Pandain wrote: make a choice fast. we can't have a tie Why couldn't we have a tie? At the point you posted this it was painfully obvious we were going to have a modkill. I'm just gonna keep sitting on you man. We have a 37% chance of lynching a red today. Unless we lynch you. Then it goes up to 100%. What is this? Is this just bluster? Over-confidence for humour's sake? Or do you really think that your post justify's calling Pandain 100% confirmed scum? All of the above.
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On January 24 2011 00:10 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 00:03 Jackal58 wrote:On January 23 2011 23:50 GGQ wrote:On January 23 2011 22:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 22 2011 12:54 Pandain wrote:On January 22 2011 12:52 Hesmyrr wrote: My case against him was: 1. Bandwagon vote that specifically states that he is bandwagoning (that's why I went for you in that game you were scum too).
2. Indirectly derailing discussion.
3. Not yet to offer opinions on anyone else.
4. Self-vote.
What is yours? Since I'm afraid of tie my vote is unfortunately frozen for moment til someone else joins in, I'd appreciate it if you quickly provide your arguments against LSB too. 1.Bad logic, which wouldn't normally be bad but he's not new at all 2.Contradictory statements Not a great amount, but considering day 1 I think it's decent amount to lynch LSB. Yet you switched. On January 22 2011 12:58 Pandain wrote: make a choice fast. we can't have a tie Why couldn't we have a tie? At the point you posted this it was painfully obvious we were going to have a modkill. I'm just gonna keep sitting on you man. We have a 37% chance of lynching a red today. Unless we lynch you. Then it goes up to 100%. What is this? Is this just bluster? Over-confidence for humour's sake? Or do you really think that your post justify's calling Pandain 100% confirmed scum? All of the above. Answer seriously, please. I was.
His last minute rush to break a tie between in order to lynch Shockkey or LSB makes no sense with an obvious mod kill on the way. All 3 are town. The odds of that are reaching the point of being ridiculously improbable. I think he has to be aware of who the reds are and his rush to get a 2 for 1 deal is extremely scummy looking.
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On January 24 2011 00:43 GGQ wrote:Why would you not vote for someone that you consider to be 100% scum? I'm not sure I understand your question.
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On January 24 2011 01:32 chaoser wrote: Let's all just step back for a moment. Jackal, I think you're misunderstand the events of the day. Pandain had initially voted Shockey and then switched to LSB when it seemed like "no one was defending shockey on day 1". Pandain thought he was "green" and so switched. Now, if Pandain was actually mafia, do you think he would switch? We now know that both LSB and Shockey are townies. It doesn't make sense for mafia to switch between the two, especially so late in the day. Mafia is usually content on sticking to one vote and sitting on it. If Pandain was actually mafia, he could have avoided the tie situation all together by just sitting on his vote of shockey. This makes me less suspicious of Pandain now than before.
So the thing that make me think Pandain isn't [r]red[/r]: 1) Both Shockey and LSB were green, why would mafia switch from one to the other? It makes no sense since a dead townie is still a dead townie.
At first I thought like you too, but stepping back, I noticed it was a weird thing that happened last night. What do others think? Might be wrong lol. He would switch in order to guarantee a lynch. You're right of course a dead townie is a dead townie but his last minute change ensured that there would be a dead townie.
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I have to go out for a while. If I make it back before football starts I'll get caught up and post some more. If I don't I won't be back on until tomorrow morning.
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On January 24 2011 01:56 chaoser wrote:There was already a guaranteed lynch though. At that point I think it was like 4 on Shockey and 1 of LSB. It was only because of Pandain's switch that caused the "tie". Which is why I'm so confused. GGQ's vote on LSB created the tie.
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On January 24 2011 16:10 GGQ wrote: ##vote Jackal58
Justify yourself, please. Sure ##Vote: Pandain
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On January 25 2011 00:50 Barundar wrote: Posting from airport, should be home in time for tonight. Quick thoughts:
- Since it's quite possibly lylo, dt should claim if he has found red. Another night of check won't help us if we have already lost. Also please stop us if we are about to lynch someone you have found town. Personally i doubt we have any dt's, but hey...
- It appears Gmarshal claimed to have gotten roleblocked, so we should probably not look at lynching him tonight. We have atleast 2 other reds to look into. Who do ya have in mind as the 3rd one?
In my mind it's Pandain #1. Nobody is that unlucky.
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On January 25 2011 00:50 Barundar wrote: Posting from airport, should be home in time for tonight. Quick thoughts:
- Since it's quite possibly lylo, dt should claim if he has found red. Another night of check won't help us if we have already lost. Also please stop us if we are about to lynch someone you have found town. Personally i doubt we have any dt's, but hey...
- It appears Gmarshal claimed to have gotten roleblocked, so we should probably not look at lynching him tonight. We have atleast 2 other reds to look into. I missed this first time through. Not in your post but in Gmarshal's. If he does have a role we can probably assume we'll never benefit from it. I feel we're back to XXXV. No blues.
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On January 25 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote: I was serious on LSB too >.>. Sorry if I can't remember all of the 5 people I pressured. And how could I have broken the tie with a vote on nemesis? If I switched to nemesis, Shockkey still would've gotten lynched.
As for my playstyle, I heavily disagree. I feel I have done well this game so far, albeit I admit whether Nemesis is mafia will determine just how well I've gone. I've been THE most active player this game, generated the most information(and how is it bad for town, getting people to talk is ALWAYS good).
Great, now if even one townie voted for me, we lose.
Jackal, if you're really serious about wanting me lynched, and not just mafia, then please respond to my coments to you. You still have really nothing that you yourself are lynching me for besides "I'm unlucky"(got one thing wrong? wtf?).
And still, I'm the only person actually trying to scum hunt. I'm the only person pressuring people.
How am I mafia? You didn't miss one. You missed two. Shockevvy = green LSB = Green and then BC mod killed = green. You were voting for all 3 at various times. Pushing hard for LSB and then voting Shockevvy when you were afraid of a tie. It's just too convenient.
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On January 25 2011 07:21 Pandain wrote: hai jackal u just posted in the other mafia game -.- sup? I'm at work. My posting opportunities are hit or miss. I'll be home in about an hour and a half. Will be able to put more time into it.
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On January 25 2011 07:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 07:23 Jackal58 wrote:On January 25 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote: I was serious on LSB too >.>. Sorry if I can't remember all of the 5 people I pressured. And how could I have broken the tie with a vote on nemesis? If I switched to nemesis, Shockkey still would've gotten lynched.
As for my playstyle, I heavily disagree. I feel I have done well this game so far, albeit I admit whether Nemesis is mafia will determine just how well I've gone. I've been THE most active player this game, generated the most information(and how is it bad for town, getting people to talk is ALWAYS good).
Great, now if even one townie voted for me, we lose.
Jackal, if you're really serious about wanting me lynched, and not just mafia, then please respond to my coments to you. You still have really nothing that you yourself are lynching me for besides "I'm unlucky"(got one thing wrong? wtf?).
And still, I'm the only person actually trying to scum hunt. I'm the only person pressuring people.
How am I mafia? You didn't miss one. You missed two. Shockevvy = green LSB = Green and then BC mod killed = green. You were voting for all 3 at various times. Pushing hard for LSB and then voting Shockevvy when you were afraid of a tie. It's just too convenient. Let's see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=9#162-say shockkey is town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=9#174I THINK lsb is mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184673¤tpage=8#145That is the only post in which I voted shockkey, and note how I said I don't think he's mafia, but didn't have anyone else to vote for. Later on I thought LSB was our best bet, so I tried for him. As for BC, originally I thought he was scummy(and keep in mind when I say that I mean keeping in mind that its day1), but then when he was like "you guys have to learN" instead of the typical"I'm busy", that made me think he's town. Are you really voting me because I was wrong on day1? Because I got ONE person wrong on day 1? No you're scummy for encouraging a tie breaker when it was painfully obvious that BC was going to be mod killed.
On January 22 2011 12:58 Pandain wrote: make a choice fast. we can't have a tie Why couldn't we? There are only 11 of us at the start. Why not have a tie? Why not let BC be mod killed and no lynch. If BC was red we win. If BC was green we lose 1. But you wanted 2. A freebie. There is no other reason for pushing a lynch 5 minutes before a mod kill was going to happen. Unless of course you're scum. If you were town your reasons make no sense what so ever and just by dumb luck we should have hit a red.
On January 22 2011 12:59 Pandain wrote: Fadoodle ##Unvote LSB ##Vote Shockkey And this one. Sure just in case BC does show up in the next five minutes you're making sure there is no possibility of a tie.
You are mafia. 100% through and through.
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On January 25 2011 08:21 Pandain wrote: 1. Jackal58-What he says doesn't make alot of sense. He could just be really confused, but for instance saying I thought Shockkey was town. So either he is just not understanding everything, or is mafia.
I didn't say it. You said it.
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote: Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all. Right there. And you said it again after that.
Hang this scum.
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On January 25 2011 09:28 Pandain wrote: Except again, I would rather lynch a person who wouldn't contribute THAT much anyway, than not lynch at all. And how am I encouraging a tie breaker? By trying to save Shockkey, who later turned green?
Finally, I thought BC was green. So I didn't want him lynched anyway.
What your doing right now is analyzing me in the MINDSET that I'm mafia, rather than in the mindset of "I'll find out." My actions make just as much sense when you put them in the perspective of "Pandain is town."
Finally, that was my vote, since no one else was changing. Since they didn't make a choice, I had to. And it was better to lynch an inactive, then not lynch at all. There are only two possible reasons for the way you played day 1. ! is you're mafia. 2 is you're an idiot. I think 1 is the most likely scenario.
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And my apologies if you think I'm too aggressive.I am aggressive.
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On January 25 2011 09:32 Pandain wrote: That's actually an honest mistake. You can tell by looking at the post above, which says "This is where I say Shockkey is town". You however said I was unlucky with Shockkey because I thought he was red. No. I said if you were town you were the unluckiest person ever. I've never commented on what you believe or why. My comments are all based on your day one rush to lynch. It only makes sense if you're red. Quit putting words in my mouth.
On January 25 2011 09:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:On January 25 2011 09:28 Pandain wrote: Except again, I would rather lynch a person who wouldn't contribute THAT much anyway, than not lynch at all. And how am I encouraging a tie breaker? By trying to save Shockkey, who later turned green?
Finally, I thought BC was green. So I didn't want him lynched anyway.
What your doing right now is analyzing me in the MINDSET that I'm mafia, rather than in the mindset of "I'll find out." My actions make just as much sense when you put them in the perspective of "Pandain is town."
Finally, that was my vote, since no one else was changing. Since they didn't make a choice, I had to. And it was better to lynch an inactive, then not lynch at all. There are only two possible reasons for the way you played day 1. ! is you're mafia. 2 is you're an idiot. I think 1 is the most likely scenario. How about you actually answer the content rather than say "If you do that your an idiot". I don't deny I'm an idiot, but at least show me the way. I did answer it. How much more clear can I be in my reasons? Flail all you want.
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And what do you mean "day 1 rush to lynch" Furthormore, how many times do I have to say that the day 1 analysis was mostly forced up until I offered Nemesis as a viable lynched, because I was just generating discussion.
On January 22 2011 12:58 Pandain wrote: make a choice fast. we can't have a tie
On January 22 2011 12:59 Pandain wrote: Fadoodle ##Unvote LSB ##Vote Shockkey That rush. Town was going lose 1. That wasn't good enough for you.
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It's a numbers game. What were you going to learn from lynching a person you though was green when another person you thought was green was about to be mod killed? You weren't going to learn anything but you sure saw a shift in balance that availed itself to you. Gj.
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On January 25 2011 10:24 Barundar wrote: ##vote nemesis
Im going to go with my gut. Where the hell is ggq?
He'll show up 5 minutes before vote just like day 1. He's #2 on my list.
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On January 25 2011 10:31 Pandain wrote: Yeah, so at the very least what do we find out: Keeping in mind its day 1, meaning I'm only 60-75% sure he's town, meaning theres still a chance he's mafia. And at the very least a useless townie. Keeping in mind that if BC, who i thought was green, died, then it would be as if we started off a townie down, and mafia got a free hit.
Keeping in mind that its better at the very least to lynch than not lynch, when a modkill won't gurantee us any information...
I don't see why you're so insistent on believing I'm mafia. Either your scum or tunneling, and need to think. A lynch puts us into an almost immediate lylo on day 2. Why would a townie do that?
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