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On December 24 2010 13:54 flamewheel wrote: I feel bad...
The moment I saw you mention in your game that it with be running at the same time with PYPM3, and you will only allow players to join one game or the other, I knew either one of you will have low sign up rates.
You should have waited till PYPM3 ends, or at least let players join both games. (yes, I have read the arguments about players joining multiple games, just saying)
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On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote: Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.
Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase.
Huh? What are you smoking?
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On January 01 2011 12:22 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2010 23:46 Fishball wrote:On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote: Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.
Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase. Huh? What are you smoking? Did I stutter or something? Show nested quote +On December 31 2010 00:29 LSB wrote:On December 30 2010 16:32 Qatol wrote: Wasn't Radfield's plan the one where the town assigned roles to certain spots and then the players picked an order so they wouldn't overlap? If so, why would you ever try to reproduce that? It lets the mafia control what their members pick, which is the worst thing that could happen to the town. The town wants overlaps so the mafia are either forced into early positions/ roles they cannot use effectively without becoming suspicious or positions later in the draft where the mafia cannot be sure their desired roles will be available. If I remember correctly, I thought Radfield was mafia for most of PYP2 because his plan was so anti-town.
Edit: I just realized that this came out really harsh, especially considering the town won PYP2. What I really meant was just as long as the town prevents the mafia from controlling the draft, they are in good shape. I don't think Radfield's method for doing so was as effective as it could have been, but it was certainly sufficient and he should be commended for coming forward and making sure the town tried to do something to take control of the drafting phase. Firstly, the mafia wasn't really able to control the draft, Radfield was the one. When the plan was put in action, I'm pretty sure that people didn't RNG and just chose the best role for them. So basically his plan was telling everyone what number to pick. Now, there was no consideration for where mafia could be. So possibly this would be a change for the plan this game The main weakness I see with his plan was 1) There were some green players due to role overlap. Maximal amount of blues would have been extreamly good for the town. 2) It should have been pretty obvious where the DT was. In fact mafia went after DT the first round. Given, they knew where the DT was because they attempted to take the DT spot but failed. And also the hit failed because the DT was the SK Now, the good stuff with the plan 1) It got rid of the pretty dangerous roles quick. (This could be accomplished by assigning the copy-cat role earlier or later). One trouble in PYP1 was that the comp vig got lost. 2) Medics would have their jobs cut out for them. They know around where the mafia would hit. So possibly obvious blue roles isn't a bad thing. 3) It got an obscene amount of roles out, each incredibly useful. Of course, I immediately see some irreparable weakness with both plans. Chiefly, the traitor messed things up real quick for a while, but then all was good. I'll try working on it, once I see the role list. I think I said things in a slightly confusing manner. I'm not criticizing his plan for the role selection part of the draft phase, only for the number selection portion. If I'm not confused, the role assignment for the first few roles + the probabilities was already mostly figured out before the number selection phase was over. In addition, the way the town did the number selection was by publicly announcing their picks in an attempt to avoid conflicts. This allows the mafia to figure out what role they want to pick, and then make sure they are in the right position to get their desired roles. Just because they didn't do things that way doesn't mean the potential for abuse wasn't there. Weaknesses: 1. I don't think this was too much of a problem. Overlaps will happen, and his decision to allow people to pick a role based on probabilities was a good way to try and make sure the important roles got selected and the number of blues was maximized. 2. With his kind of setup this is hard to avoid. I agree that this is a definite weakness to be improved upon. Strengths: 1. This happened in PYP1 as well. And the comp-vig didn't get lost in PYP1. It was pretty much resolved by day 2 that Foolishness had that role. The major mistake we made with respect to that role was we didn't lynch him on day 2 to give the town more time. 2. Medics always have their jobs cut out for them. At least this way they had a short list of players who probably had the roles they wanted to protect. It makes the medic list much smaller. However, the medics are also easier to find which can be problematic. 3. I think both methods give a lot of blues. Remember that 1/3 of PYP1 didn't select a role at all, which was why there were so many greens. The town was silly to even be looking for the traitor that early. If I recall correctly, they had the traitor down to something like 1 in 5 when the mafia : town ratio was 1 in 4. Let the mafia clear out the power roles before you look for the traitor like that. Also, Radfield's list of role priorities was pretty bad. He had Veteran really really high and I think he had an important role ridiculously low.
I try not to remember much from this game, because this was the most frustrating game I've ever played. One man Mafia team with 1 KP against entire town? Yeah.
I thought Radfield's plan was alright. It limited our options, but we were somewhat ready for it (Somewhat due to our minimal coordination).
As for the other details you're trying to debate with LSB; Sure, the plan has it's weakness, but I have no comment here since I don't really want to stick my nose in. Just keep in mind it was almost a unanimous decision for the players to go with Radfield's plan. There were people that disagreed, but no one else were able to throw out a better plan. Definitely not from the Mafia at the very least.
I wouldn't go as far to call his plan anti-town at all (from your first post).
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I don't exactly know what you mean by "extremely favorable roles" were given to the Mafia. Basically the top picks were all pretty much forced to role claim, and under surveillance due to the plan. Besides the lol-traitor, there really were no surprises, and it didn't matter if you were town or not for the respective roles.
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Like I said, I don't remember the exact details, nor do I really care. Was there a veteran in the top? I don't remember, at, all. That is not my point. All I'm saying is, the plan had his merits and applied constraints to the Mafia, and is by no means bad by general consensus, which is what you are trying to say.
If you want to pick on every single detail for debate, I'll leave LSB with you to do that.
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On January 02 2011 09:47 LSB wrote: Using blue font is unfair Ace. Throws tantrum
Although Inactivity played a part. The Mafia didn't lose PYP2 just because of inactivity, the chief reason was because over half the town was confirmed and we couldn't do anything about it, and no one anticipated how broken the bad santa role can be.
Yes I see you have a point about clashing. But remember, the mafia already knows that the town might use clashing as a scumtell. It would be incredibly easy for the mafia to pick 2 [1][X] slots and then simply redirect the town to clashing. The town would waste lots of time trying to fit things under the clashing theory, when all that would be accomplished is 'confirming' a mafia.
Just like how Mafia IV will probably not happen again, clashing is a theory that probably won't work
If I were to say it with numbers, the loss is due to 50% inactivity, 25% Mafia 1 KP, 15% Bad Santa List, 10% when rastaban pulled a wrong move at the end, and our last thin hope of victory vanished. The Bad Santa was an extremely unlucky break for the Mafia, but it was rastaban's kill that sealed the deal, though I don't really blame him, and we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place.
Yes, inactivity hurt us(me) a shit load. There were times I thought it just wasn't worth playing anymore, as I wasn't enjoying the game at all. Just ask Ace and the PM's I had with him.
I never made a post about it, but you have no idea how pissed off I was when DarthThienAn decided to host a game after PYP2, when he rather play SC2 and be inactive during PYP2. I have no respect for him whatsoever.
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Did LSB just assign a single role to every draft?... That's even worse than Radfield's plan.
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Decided to join last minute, I haven't read anything yet, including OP. I'll read it later when I have time.
I just want to bring this up front first, it will be very unlikely for me to follow LSB's plan.
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First off, /confirmed.
On January 07 2011 14:16 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: also lsb -_- *facepalm* Your plan gives wayyyyyy to much information to mafia. It also gives the mafia a stupid easy time of faking being town depending on the role they get. I've already addressed information. Mafia had virtually full information in PYP2 and couldn't do much about it.
I was the most active Mafia member in that game, and I have also addressed this wasn't the case (selective reading?). I've mentioned in this thread, saying that Radfield's plan had its merits and applied constraints to the Mafia, but for the most part, it wasn't a huge issue. What I mean by constraints, is that Mafia were not able to pick up roles such as Bad Santa, Prince of Darkness, and Compulsive Vigilante, these powerful Pro-Mafia roles as freely as we wanted, forcing us to put more thought into what to pick, as well as "blending in". His plan was also more viable due to a variation of choices per draft, unlike yours. Your plan is basically handing out free information to the Mafia.
Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive.
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On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote: You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos. Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos.
I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one.
If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!"
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On January 08 2011 05:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If LSB wanted to be helpful he would have created 3-5 different options of role distribution. Or he could have opted to give his list a "randomized" element where instead of say "choose rolecop" it would be "choose investigative role".
This is exactly the main thing I've been trying to say; The main difference between Radfield's plan and his. Huge difference, to be exact.
Oh, and just so it's known to the public. I'm calling BC Mafia/SK!
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On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2011 06:11 Fishball wrote:On January 08 2011 05:15 Pigsquirrel wrote: You don't have a plan either. We currently have two options: LSB's plan, or chaos. Unless we get an option 3, we are probably going to have chaos. I like chaos. What's wrong with that? Makes things exciting. Plus, I don't like to line up in "order" and be executed along with the others one by one. If orgolove was in this game, I bet he would be like "OMFG, scum tell!" Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia.
and players like me.
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On January 08 2011 07:31 bumatlarge wrote:I fear for town, so im taking this into my hands if I can. I am going to go [1][1]. I think I will be a competent CPR doc. If I do anything un-town like you can just lynch me, but remember we have to keep an eye on both cpr and CV. But since I go from night 1, and he's not til night 2, we can keep tabs for at least the first day. So town will not go into disarray because of mass confusion on night hits. That was a nice thing to give us Ace. Or we can just leave the slot for a randomn, but I am going [1][1] regardless. Let me get slot 1 dammit.
Makes me want to go [1][2].
I will shock everyone in order of their numbers. Sooner or later, all Mafia/SK will die.
Genius.
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I confirmed with Ace my pick is [6][20].
The picture I'm seeing doesn't add up.
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Unless I'm missing something, which very well may be (haven't been following closely), people are fake claiming?
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On January 09 2011 17:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 16:47 Fishball wrote: Unless I'm missing something, which very well may be (haven't been following closely), people are fake claiming? If your actually a 6, then there have been a fair bit of fake claimers. IE people above you. Unless my insanely tired mind has failed me, there is no possible way for you to be between me and eiii and bum unless You are lying about your number or a ton of people ahead of you lied about their number.
On January 09 2011 17:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Or ace could have messed up, but that seems unlikely.
That's what I thought, and that's why I waited for Ace to respond to my PM before posting in thread.
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Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me .
When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list.
Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it.
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On January 10 2011 07:28 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 07:19 Fishball wrote:Not to point fingers at Ace, but this is like PYP2 deja vu for me . When I first saw the list, and you guys started claiming, I was like there is no way I would end up in 10th spot. I originally picked [2][20], but then changed it to [6][20] because my gut told my there would be too many fuckers picking low numbers. I then confirmed with Ace via PM that he did get my [6][20] pick in, which lead me to think someone has to be lying, or there are errors on the list. Good luck to LSB having people draft their "assigned" roles. I'm surely not following it. in-deed then again being this low on the draft order ill be lucky to get anything at all. More an honesty check i suspect
Hey, you can always take "my" role. What is it? Oh, Doctor! Just remember not to tell anyone so the Mafia won't hit you.
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Preliminary Mafia list.
- BloodyC0bbler - zeks - Misder - aidnai/JimboSilvers (pick one)
On January 10 2011 00:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its pretty obvious most of the fake claiming is going on in the first half of the draft list which gives us a pretty good start on where to start looking.
I was the one who pointed out the abnormal picture, but I never once directed town to look for those players who might be lying. It doesn't make sense for town/mafia to lie. There is no gain whatsoever, besides drawing attention to themselves. It was fortunate that this was sorted out by Ace, but nice try there BC.
Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
14. zeks [3] [1] 15. Misder [3] [2] 16. aidnai [3] [3] 17. JimboSilvers [3] [3]
3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Really?
I'm picking aidnai due to this post.
On January 10 2011 09:14 aidnai wrote: Just going to confirm that according to the plan, I'm supposed to take Witch. Correct?
Are you daft? No, you can't be this bad... I hope.
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I could care less about your crooked finger of suspicion. God knows what other places you've stuck that finger into... Yes, I think Mafia is stupid. We have plenty of good candidates, don't you think? Oh, never mind.
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On January 10 2011 12:48 HaploPaithan wrote: Sorry, what does FoS stand for?
Oh hey, I found another one that doesn't read! Read the first sentence of the post above you. Hell, even Google takes about like 10 seconds.
The more I reread my post, the more I agree with myself.
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On January 10 2011 13:02 HaploPaithan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 12:50 Fishball wrote:On January 10 2011 12:48 HaploPaithan wrote: Sorry, what does FoS stand for? Oh hey, I found another one that doesn't read! Read the first sentence of the post above you. Hell, even Google takes about like 10 seconds. The more I reread my post, the more I agree with myself. No need to be so rude about it. I read posts. Sorry if I'm not looking for an what an acronym stands for in every post I read. I did google it and did not see an answer that made much sense to me. FoS stands for many things that are more popular than finger of suspicion.
Hey, you can take it any way you want. That reply was meant in the most jolly way ever. All you needed to do is type in "fos mafia" in google, and click the first link. Ja?
On January 10 2011 13:44 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:26 HaploPaithan wrote: For the same reason no one liked LSB's plan. It lets scum know where the roles to target are. I guess, but if you didn't get the role, wouldn't it help the town to figure out who took it and didn't follow the plan?
I'm with HaploPaithan here. Your logic just makes me think more and more that you are red. Hey BC, you should tell your muscles to stay low.
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On January 11 2011 00:03 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 23:12 deconduo wrote: Yeah, it was a wrong role PM. panic over lol. Can you ask permission for Ace to confirm that he sent you he wrong role PM?
He gets first pick, he can pick any role. It is impossible for him "not able to get the role he wanted".
It only makes sense that Ace sent in the wrong PM, or else deconduo would be an instant first kill target for me.
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On January 11 2011 02:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:22 Fishball wrote:On January 11 2011 00:03 LSB wrote:On January 10 2011 23:12 deconduo wrote: Yeah, it was a wrong role PM. panic over lol. Can you ask permission for Ace to confirm that he sent you he wrong role PM? He gets first pick, he can pick any role. It is impossible for him "not able to get the role he wanted". It only makes sense that Ace sent in the wrong PM, or else deconduo would be an instant first kill target for me. Exactly. That what I am wondering. Is this a scum slip, or actually a mistake on the part of Ace
What I meant is, it's safe to assume it was a PM error. Or else it would just further support the following.
On January 10 2011 12:14 Misder wrote: And really- you think that mafia would be that stupid and be that obvious?
On January 10 2011 12:42 Fishball wrote: Yes, I think Mafia is stupid. We have plenty of good candidates, don't you think?
But yes, it would be nice for Ace to clarify. I'm all for surprises and stupidity!
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On January 11 2011 02:43 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 01:13 Pigsquirrel wrote: Will we know how people died at night, for example from gunshot or defibrillator? Or is that what Ace meant by no clues? Because if we do get to know stuff like that it will basically nullify CPR doc as he absolutely will not be able to use his power without getting lynched the next day.
Also, FoS on decon until ace confirms that he got wrong role/other mistake. I don't believe so. But we do know that there are only 2 KP roles the first night (Mafia and SK), so if three KP worth of people are killed/hit, we would know that something was wrong.
We don't know how many SK's is/are in the game. It's safe to assume there is at least 1, maximum 2 (pushing it), or else this game would just go nuts.
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On January 11 2011 03:29 Ace wrote: I'm not going to clarify anything.
I support this message.
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Where the hell is everyone. I'm on my lunch break and am bored as hell. Only Mafiosos posted so far huh?
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On January 11 2011 06:49 Beneather wrote: HaploPaithan you have to have reasons on why we have you can't just blindly say something with out any reason to back up your statement. That's just basically 1 line spamming.
Why do we have to worry about CopyCat he will only copycat someone that has a good role and that he knows it for sure or he'll be just wasting his powers blindly and might get some bad role or something. The only time CopyCat will work is if people start claiming and he can just copycat that role if it's good also it would be good to see if their lying about their role. It really can be used as a Detective tool as well.
So what are you thinking that CopyCat is a bad role ?
What the eff are you smoking? Copy Cat cannot choose who's role to copy.
Hey, I caught another Derp Mafia!
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On January 11 2011 07:00 aidnai wrote: dumb=/=scum fishball
WHAT? K, going emo.
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On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor.
Oh... I'm also many things... in bed...
On January 11 2011 07:42 LSB wrote: Layoffrage, did you select the traitor role and not get it?
Seems like there is more than that. He is 9th on the list, so if he picked Traitor and didn't get it, there are 8 possible candidates that could be Traitor. However, out of the blue, he pin-pointed me.
I'm shedding tears of joy T_T This is what I call a Mafia game.
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On January 11 2011 08:30 bumatlarge wrote: I know you usually play unique fish ball but this seems a little over the top. I have suspicions of you as traitor, but with people seeming to play subpar this game I can't really blame you if you are town.
I like aidnai a possible candidate for the first lynch, as you have made a point. His counterpart jumbo seems to have a functional grasp of pyp, made a very nice effort on his plan. I think it's rare for a newer player to kinda blast those protown spiels as scum. I think its to early to call anything on RoL. I think aidnai would prove to be an informative lynch.
I think we should have more drama though. I'll enjoy seeing what deconduo says, and what that awful divinek is going to try to get away with. I don't think he's SK cause he isn't mouthing off yet, so he's probably mafia, and he has an experienced teammate who is telling him to stfu lol scrub.
I'm actually amazed all these different personalities I'm pulling off lately in different games. I think I need to see a psychiatrist soon, lol.
Seriously though, I only decided to join the game when BC joined. I was actually sincere when I said "There is a good chance BC is red if I am Town", vice versa. I've been through enough games where it gets flat out frustrating. Since I joined this time, I want to be entertained. I wish more of you guys would start posting more, and start some action.
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On January 11 2011 09:43 Eiii wrote: Fish if you're a master of switching personalities or whatever, could you try and make this one a bit more useful as the game goes on? No offense, but town has lost the last two games I've played because of inciteful, spammy posters that basically just distracted them and gave a bunch of false leads.
I mean, for now it at least gets people posting because there isn't a ton of information to discuss, but the CPR role issue still needs to be resolved, and no one's stepped up to say that their role wasn't available so it looks like everyone with an important role either got it or didn't follow the plan at all.
...until we get some night actions in though, I don't really know what to do.
"Personalities" is just a metaphor. I choose not to take this game too seriously, and it will remain this way. That doesn't mean I've given up or just purely screwing around. You don't need to tell me about "town". I've seen empires burn down. Ok, that might be over-exaggerating it.
Anyways, I've done enough finger pointing in the last 24 hours. The ball is finally starting to roll so I'm happy with that. Still waiting for our Irish boy deconduo to pop by though.
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On January 11 2011 10:04 deconduo wrote:Just to clarify, I asked for CPR and was given Copy Cat. This has now been rectified. Feel free to rolecheck me tonight, or I can use my power on someone you guys think is scum. (Like an extra lynch as was suggested.) Of course, just because I can prove I'm CPR doesn't clear me, but do you really think a mafia would create this much of a clusterfuck?
Ah, just missed your post when I was typing. I, for one believe you picked CPR, and got CPR. It really doesn't make sense to make a fuss out of this, unless you're suicidal, really...
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On January 11 2011 10:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 15:20 LSB wrote: traitor is suicide, as the traitor wins with the mafia. Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 10:11 Fishball wrote: It really doesn't make sense to make a fuss out of this, unless you're suicidal, really... Coincidence? Or trying to draw attention?
Wowzers
First of all, I don't know what LSB meant by Traitor is suicide. Traitor is not a Village Idiot. He doesn't win if he die.
Secondly, I was referring to deconduo, that him telling a lie of not getting the CPR, does not benefit him in anyway, and is purely suicidal if he choose to do so.
So basically, you're taking the word "suicide" out of context from two distinctively different posts and calling it a "clue". My face -> :O
Ok, you're the last one for today. You're Mafia too.
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On January 11 2011 13:05 LayOffRage wrote:My reasoning is that I attempted to pick the traitor role and it was already gone. so someone above my draft pick took it. If you read earlier fishball refused to pick any of the suggested roles which made me think he was most likely the one who took my role. I was very sadface
Ah, so you finally decided to post some "reason" regarding your accusation other than that one liner. To be honest, it was almost as good as my scum hunting skills.
Now for Fishball's original ask-yourself-a-question time.
For my draft pick, I was assigned Medic. If I were to pick Traitor, why would I want to announce that I would pick another role before hand? Would it not be better if I did it secretly? Keep in mind, the most convenient way for the Traitor to get recruited is to be hit by the Mafia. If I stuck with the plan, as a medic, wouldn't that increase the chances of me getting hit thus getting recruited? My play thus far has been fairly vocal. Radical accusations, yes, but not entirely without reason. Look at one of those main candidates for lynch, aidnai; Who was the first one to bring him up? BC haven't posted, misder submerged after a brief counter attack, etc.. From what I've seen in the past 24 hours, I've received rather negative reception from the town. Now why would the Mafia want to hit or use their powers on a target like me, a self proclaimed non-medic player, with a small target on top of his head? If I were the Traitor, this serves me no good.
In PYP2, I was Mafia, and was able to use the accusation of a "potential Traitor" to direct a lot of Town's attention and their resources to hunt for this so called Traitor. We allowed the accuser to live as long as possible, thus he was not able to prove whether or not himself was the Traitor. If LayOffRage is the Traitor, and diverts the Town to hunt for said role among those 8 players, by the time we get the Traitor, it might be too late. In PYP2, I also specially told my teammates that we would refrain from hitting any of the candidates for a Traitor, to prolong the confusion as much as possible. There is no immediate gain for the Mafia at all unless its really down to the wire. In that game, Town ended up hunting for the Traitor for like 5 cycles or so.
Keep in mind, Town's main goal is to target Mafia and the SK. The Traitor should only be our third priority. Worst case scenario, the Traitor get's recruited, but the KP of the Mafia doesn't change, so it isn't exactly a huge deal like mentioned above.
Right now, I propose to lynch "LayOffRage" for three reasons. - Eliminates the possibility that he is Traitor himself crying wolf. - If he dies and flips Vanilla, the Copy Cat (alignment unknown) will not get any surprising powers. This also proves that there is indeed a Traitor among the top 8, and the Town should be aware. - Eliminates the chance of losing a power role for Town, unlike other lynch targets.
If none of the above makes sense, and the Town wants to follow the footsteps of PYP2 regarding the Traitor, be my very guest. If you guys have a different plan, that's fine as well.
##Vote LayOffRage
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Oh, seems like Bum has already brought up some of those points while I was typing. Anyways, I'm heading to bed now. Good night.
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On January 11 2011 15:37 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 14:30 Fishball wrote:On January 10 2011 13:44 Misder wrote:On January 10 2011 13:26 HaploPaithan wrote: For the same reason no one liked LSB's plan. It lets scum know where the roles to target are. I guess, but if you didn't get the role, wouldn't it help the town to figure out who took it and didn't follow the plan? I'm with HaploPaithan here. Your logic just makes me think more and more that you are red. Hey BC, you should tell your muscles to stay low. Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote: For my draft pick, I was assigned Medic. If I were to pick Traitor, why would I want to announce that I would pick another role before hand? Would it not be better if I did it secretly? Keep in mind, the most convenient way for the Traitor to get recruited is to be hit by the Mafia. If I stuck with the plan, as a medic, wouldn't that increase the chances of me getting hit thus getting recruited? My play thus far has been fairly vocal. Radical accusations, yes, but not entirely without reason. Look at one of those main candidates for lynch, aidnai; Who was the first one to bring him up? BC haven't posted, misder submerged after a brief counter attack, etc.. From what I've seen in the past 24 hours, I've received rather negative reception from the town. Now why would the Mafia want to hit or use their powers on a target like me, a self proclaimed non-medic player, with a small target on top of his head? If I were the Traitor, this serves me no good. I feel an obligation to defend myself here. 1) I don't have time like you do to be able to read this forum until late at night unless on weekends, so "submerged" is not really the appropriate term. The reason why I didn't say anything after you fosed me was that I wasn't even on. 2) The reason I asked that question was basically, LSB's plan was already giving mafia all the info anyways. So naturally, if most people followed the plan, mafia would be the only ones who know who doesn't have their roles, which means that town is at a disadvantage here. I'm pretty sure I understand why people don't like it- because it gives mafia a place to target- but if mafia already knows, then theres no point is suppressing it. So what's illogical about that? 3) I still feel that your early game play is very questionable- and likely scum- as per my previous analysis 4) The reason you wanted to lynch aidnai in the first place was because of # and one post. I'm not saying that he's not scumlike- just that the reason you brought it up wasn't really analysis. 5)Also BC- you didn't even have an original reasoning- again, not saying he's not scumlike, but you didn't make it based off of not posting 6) You stated pregame that you were likely not going to follow LSB. So if you did suddenly say, I might follow it, that's suspicious in itself. You don't need to be medic to increase chances- the way you play already gives the impression that you are not town-aligned- mafia would target you. Either your town and mafia kills a veteran mafia player, or your traitor and mafia gets another member. After reading guides, I learned that we should be focusing on scumhunting, not informative stuff so I'm going with my gut here and ##Vote Fishball
Every time your name is brought up, you re-merge. Yes I like to use that word. 1. Everyone has their own schedule. I have a full time job too. I even got myself modkilled in Insane Mafia due to unforeseen circumstances. Time is one thing. But timing on the other hand... Every time your name is brought up, poof. 2. What question? You lost me here. 3. So are my accusations. So the accused is also accusing the accuser of being scummy. Nothing new here. If you have valid points, people will follow. That's all I have to say. 4. Woah, I think you're a bit ahead of yourself here. I never once said "I wanted to lynch aidnai". I only brought him up because he was part of a picture that I had see as abnormal, no matter how minor it is. It generates discussion, and this has already been proven. Unlike some dude who doesn't have "time" and "isn't here". 5. No original reasoning? I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time. Go re-read my posts in the thread. Look at zeks, ignoring my finger pointing. If you're truly innocent you wouldn't need to worry about my ever so soft accusations. All I'm doing is throwing little rocks into the lake; It causes ripples, but sometimes tsunami happens. 6. You may have a point regarding my pre-game comment. Just keep in mind I won't know which spot I would end up as until after the draft. If you still don't get it, I've also said it before, numerous times, pre-game and during the game, that Radfield's plan in PYP2 was more viable due to a certain degree of uncertainty for drafts. Hopefully you won't need me to spill it out.
You also say my play gives the impression of not being town aligned; I have already admitted my play was unorthodox (This is a game after all, and for once, I would like to friggin enjoy it), but far from being scummy. I've already explained my motives, logic, and plan in detail, in my previous post. If you don't see any of that, even a little bit, as being "town aligned", and just counter attack me every time you see your name being brought up, I have nothing left to say. Let the Town decide.
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On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
I think you just copied and pasted from Fishball's Accusations 101 for Dummies.
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On January 12 2011 03:52 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 02:54 HaploPaithan wrote: Since layoffrage and Aidnai are our two most likely targets, why don't we lynch layoffrage and then have deconduo kill off aidnai tonight. We really need to start discussing who to use CPR on tonight. Since we seem to want to kill both these players this seems to be the best solution. Since we can't decide if any of these people are scum, let's kill them all! that way we can race towards lylo even more quickly than normal! brilliant plan. Kitaman: jimbo already found the important fact. LayOffRage's only previous game was in smurf mafia. I'm sorry to him for bringing this fact out in the open, but seriously, that much info is not hard to come by. And yes, I know who it is from playing with him in a previous game.
Huh? It's not like it's a huge secret LayOffRage is RoL.
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flamewheel backwards is spammer.
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On January 12 2011 04:28 Barundar wrote:Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert...
I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh.
On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train.
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On January 12 2011 04:32 aidnai wrote: We need to hear more from these people to be able to get a good read. I also am having a hard time reading haplopaithan, even though he's posted roughly twice as much as the above.
Aside from that FoS term, HaploPaithan has been alright. The stuff he says are logical to me, he has been pretty civil, and doesn't get intimidated. I like players like him.
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On January 12 2011 04:52 LSB wrote:About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRageIf LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi A short summary2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it.
Cool that you posted this just when my lunch break is coming to an end. I'll try to make it brief and straight to the key points.
- "Stirring-up-the-Traitor" topic in PYP2 was already mentioned in my other post, and your post further supports my logic, especially with you being the Traitor in that game. There is one flaw regarding the CV falling with you, as the CV was predicted to fall sooner or later, and hitting the CV was never actually a deciding factor. Regardless, it doesn't affect this game, and you can PM me after the game if you want to discuss. - If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not".
Anyways, I think you're way ahead of yourself right now. We need to lynch somebody first, and you're already talking about Night, and assigning actions to everyone. I don't mind you thinking about Night, but you need take account of Day as well. You really want to take charge of the game and tell everyone what to do, do you? For good or bad, this will be an extremely hard feat.
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On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote: By my logic I am saying that we should make No traitor related lynches at all. Unless it comes with analysis. Jimbosilvers is someone I want to flip. I was expecting someone to come up with a plan. But not one that does the exact same thing that I does, but worse. It seems like the mafia just stuck Jimbo out there to try to cause confusion on role picks
I did come up with a plan, and it does comes with analysis. I'll quote myself from here since a lot of people seems to have missed this.
On January 11 2011 14:23 Fishball wrote: Right now, I propose to lynch "LayOffRage" for three reasons. - Eliminates the possibility that he is Traitor himself crying wolf. - If he dies and flips Vanilla, the Copy Cat (alignment unknown) will not get any surprising powers. This also proves that there is indeed a Traitor among the top 8, and the Town should be aware. - Eliminates the chance of losing a power role for Town, unlike other lynch targets.
Just because you want a certain player to flip, and no one proposes anything similar to what you had in mind, doesn't necessarily make other plan worse.
On January 12 2011 05:28 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1. But I like the general idea.
As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one. Why change from LoR? As you put it best Show nested quote +- If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not".
What change from LoR? I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't say the first quote. You're thinking of someone else.
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On January 12 2011 09:05 Divinek wrote: aw balls i really wanted to vote for aid and now he claims a role like that? wahhh
voting rage seems like a terrible idea if no one is helping him out to stay alive indirectly or otherwise...very unlikely for a mafia to go down so easily day 1. I mean yeah they hardly ever go down day 1 at all, but if they votes start piling up and shit doesnt start flying odds are we got the wrong chap.
oh and lookie me i got a role too, yay despite being so low.
hm didnt say anything about no voting for yourself so ill do that for now, id almost rather just throw a dart at the board for my vote since that's less inclined to slander or manipulation but i suppose it's better to actually end up with a meaningful one, until then
##vote divinek
Sup Mafia.
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On January 12 2011 09:07 LayOffRage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 04:36 Fishball wrote:On January 12 2011 04:28 Barundar wrote:Ah thats why you all want to kill him? Honestly don't see why he is scum just beceause he tells us about a traitor further up the draft, and accuses fishball. But hey, I'm not exactly a RoL expert... I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh. On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train. Meh, since everyone knows who I am already there is no advantage to me using this name anymore. If you want to kill me before I decide to do anything credible then do it. You have all seen how I play in normal games. I will do analysis and you can try to find holes if you want and I will argue and find candidates. Since my AKA isn't hitting I will explain my reasoning in full detail. I figured if I did this earlier on it would let off that I was smurfing but since 90% of the game already knows its fine. deconduo Kenpachi kitaman27 Barundar Jackal58 Fishball Amber[Light] CubEdIn these are the players ahead of me in the draft list. One of them IS the traitor. Out of them here is how I will break it down. Kenpachi, Deconduo, Kitaman, Barndar. jackal58 and to a lessor extent cubedln are new guys and if you have the option to choose a role, traitor a non power role definitely isn't high on that list for new guys. Its really hard to play and I was looking for a fun challenge. I knew it would be harder to take the hit and get converted if I wasn't on my normal account so I was going to have to try even harder. I will also say that the above mentioned players aren't generally too crazy of people like what you would expect Chezinu to do. If Chezinu was on that list and even pandain I wouldn't feel confident calling fishball as the traitor. Now for the last two we just have Amber[LighT] and Fishball. Amber is more of a linear player as well not too crazy and if hes town he would choose a powerful town role imo. Fishball however I think is a very likely pick for the person who stole my traitor role. Fishball uses a variety of play styles to avoid establishing any pattern of play, he also never takes games fully serious so he is inherently a very difficult person to read. Fishball also blatantly said he wasn't going to follow the plan the town had been considering. If he was town aligned he probably knew he could pick the traitor role and the odds of someone else picking it were extremely low, especially high up on the draft order. Unfortunately for him I chose to pick it too which meant I narrowed the traitor down to 8 players whose play styles I was familiar with and could make an assessment call on it. If I actually got the traitor role the last thing I would of done was claim that I didn't get the role. It would lead to the exact wifom shit that is happening now of if I am lying and really got it or not and might confuse people for a little while. While if I just played chaotically and did faulty huge analysis I would likely screw with the town and draw a hit for attempting to be productive. So I think Fishball has to be the traitor. If you want to kill me to prove that I am being true feel free to do it. But everyone in this game knows that I could be useful if I was left alive and that they are taking care of the mafia's work.
Oh, RoL. I assume you've read my other post, so I won't repeat myself here. Think from my position. Do you not agree that the motives, logic, and explanation makes sense? Let's say we swap positions, what plan would you propose? I dare say very similar to what Bum and I have.
Assuming you're not lying. Seems like what you're trying to pin me with, is based on player profiling. You analyze a list of players, then take your best shot on regarding who you think is the Traitor. But seems like there is some contradiction on what you think about me and your conclusion; You say I'm difficult to read, yet you've read me. I know you didn't say impossible, but you know what I'm getting at. Overall, it almost seems like you've subconsciously locked on me from the get-go just by reading your analysis above. How much do you know about the others? How much do you really know about me?
Despite my screwing around, I did try and have gotten the ball rolling, and all my real arguments have always had Town in its best interest. Even something as short as "Sup Mafia" in reply to Divinek, isn't exactly something random from me and I actually mean it. To be fair, I'd say Mafia would want to get rid of me faster than you do.
On the other hand, I'm quite flattered. I never thought anyone would pay attention to me, and I actually try to stay out of the spot light for the majority of the time; I play the game, and GTFO. Just for the record, I do take games seriously, at least in most of the games I've played. Maybe too serious, hence why I've said earlier in the thread:
On January 11 2011 08:42 Fishball wrote: I've been through enough games where it gets flat out frustrating.
I end this post with a flower.
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On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote: Nice use of your 4k btw
On January 12 2011 09:09 Kenpachi wrote: POST #4000
Haha, it's fine. I was never really into that kinda of thing. I've been a long time TL member and I'm proud of myself. That's all that matters. Maybe I'll do something when I hit 10k posts a decade later.
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On January 12 2011 09:31 aidnai wrote:We're running out of time to do this, but I would like to present a lynch target based on believing they are scum, rather than based on wanting information. My proposed lynch is Amber[light]. Here is my case. + Show Spoiler +The original post from Amber that caught my attention: On January 09 2011 05:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just noting I did pick a random number, and everyone should do the same. Though I don't believe the role selection process (post-draft) should be unveiled to the entire town.
More importantly: Play the role you get. If you pout because you got townie and don't participate I will personally make your mafia-playing life a living hell and accuse you EVERY game in the future just because I like to be frustrating. It's actually more important for the town to fool the mafia and pick roles to limit their KP per night. Of course we cant discuss how this should go about because there are more roles in this game than players, so it would be too easy. The goal of this process should be to make the mafia as vanilla as possible, not to ensure every player gets a role they want.
GL in the draft... This struck me as a possible scum post because of the tone and nature of the advice. Others may agree/disagree, and I can't explain it fully, so I'll just let you look and decide yourself. However, the other two posts below are much better evidence. On January 10 2011 22:32 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think looking into the draft numbers might be a lost cause. Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. I wouldn't be surprised if the more unique combination (higher ups) are mafia, but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion.
The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely. In this post, Amber is spouting a mix of nonsense and obvious truth. The nonsense: - Don't forget that it would be in the best interest of the mafia to follow the plan. This ensures that they receive a role. Actually, if town follows the plan, then mafia are free to cherry pick any roles that are further down the list than their own and still be assured of a role. - The draft process was too transparent, so infiltration by the mafia is highly likely. Transparent? Infiltration? wtf are you talking about, people picked numbers and pmed them to Ace. Obvious: - but to be honest that's good player strategy to achieve a unique combination that throws them up to the top. Duh. - People who have double are _less_ likely to be mafia, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't put down the same numbers to alleviate some suspicion. Duh, and this doesn't actually say anything one way or another. I honestly don't see any reason for posting something like this other than 1) avoiding modkill AND 2) wanting to not look scummy On January 11 2011 22:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: I think you should use your ability as a NK vs a saver ability. Think about the chances of you saving someone vs killing someone. Your ability has better usage for town KP when we want to snipe mafia members, or to ensure their death.
I don't think LoR should be lynched. It's obvious who should be lynched, as we don't have any conclusive evidence of their role choice or the choice of another players: Kenpachi & Barundar
He (Kenpachi) is playing scummy and defensive, which isn't all of a shock from his normal play. Chances are he probably is the copy cat. We have to weigh the possibilities that he's actually is the copy cat. Do we want him to have that power activated? I think since we've wasted time cornering the possible copy cat allowing him to obtain a usage for his role would be wasteful as he's going to be a sure-fire target for night 1, granted we accidentally list a power role today. Do we also want that power role in the hands of a mafia member?
Mostly another potent mix of nonsense and obvious stuff, so I bolded everything else in this post. How did Amber already seem to pick out that kenpachi is probably CC? Seems pretty smart, especially compared to the rest of the post (suggesting CPR doc to kill people instead of save, you seriously think we needed you to tell us?) Also highly troubling here is the fact that in the prior post, Amber says mafia should follow the plan for their own good, but in this post he says kenpachi and barundar are the obvious lynch targets because they can't prove they followed the plan! If you don't believe your current lynch target is scum, don't lynch them and consider amber please. ##Vote Amber[light]
No, I haven't read your case and I won't bother reading it. So basically what you're attempting to do, is to start a brand new lynch train, with voting ending in 3 hours. We already have few decent candidates, yet Town is reluctant to pull the trigger. Still, you want to stir it up some more.
Do you realize how bad this makes you look?
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On January 12 2011 10:20 aidnai wrote: We don't have "a few decent candidates". We have information lynches on people that no one seems to think are actually scum.
Kenpachi always looks scummy and responds poorly to pressure. Easy, bad lynch. LOR's lynch is going to tell us that the traitor is in the top eight. I don't think I'm a top candidate anymore, but again that's because of 'information'.
You want my analysis to be tossed aside, even though you haven't read it and "won't bother reading it." Do you realize how bad this makes you look?
I didn't push for the Kenpachi lynch, and whether or not it's a bad lynch, how do you know? Easy? Right... right... LoR's lynch, validates his claim, AND gives us information whether if there is a Traitor among the top eight, also prevents the CC (alignment unknown) from get any power role. Wait, why the fuck am I repeating myself for the third time here? Oh, and what happened to the other major candidate, yourself? No comment on yourself? Must be a bad lynch too huh? I know most of the people that originally voted for you have changed and split their votes among Kenpachi and LoR, but that doesn't magically make you in the clear. Posts like this makes me want to vote for you.
I want your analysis to be tossed aside? You have reading comprehension issues do you? (I hate bringing this up). I said I didn't read it, but I didn't tell other people, nor I have the power to stop them for reading it if they wanted to. You mad being accused?
You can disagree with the majority of us regarding the decency of these candidates, but what makes you think that your analysis on your candidate, is decent enough to to have the majority of players switch votes for him, within 180 minutes? Hey, by all means, Amber[LighT] could very well be Mafia, but what you're proposing at this timing, with a lack of read and perspective from other players, is just causing a diversion, distracting the Town even further.
No, I don't realize how bad this makes me look.
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On January 12 2011 10:32 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 09:08 Fishball wrote:On January 12 2011 09:05 Divinek wrote: aw balls i really wanted to vote for aid and now he claims a role like that? wahhh
voting rage seems like a terrible idea if no one is helping him out to stay alive indirectly or otherwise...very unlikely for a mafia to go down so easily day 1. I mean yeah they hardly ever go down day 1 at all, but if they votes start piling up and shit doesnt start flying odds are we got the wrong chap.
oh and lookie me i got a role too, yay despite being so low.
hm didnt say anything about no voting for yourself so ill do that for now, id almost rather just throw a dart at the board for my vote since that's less inclined to slander or manipulation but i suppose it's better to actually end up with a meaningful one, until then
##vote divinek Sup Mafia. im keeping this post saved away somewhere for whenever i do manage to flip and you're wrong :D unless of course you're mafia which would be funnnnnnny, but i dont think you are...yet! but i can see why you would think that i am tehehe eh eh hm.
Teehee... So you, hehe, understand why one would consider you scummy heheheh, yet you want to prove that person wrong AFTER you die. Tehehehhe. I don't know, hehe, what you're trying to imply, hohohooho, and I'm not going there, harhar.
Let's just say I've already called out more than 5 players. So if I'm not wrong, THAT would be funny. HEHEHEHEHE DERP
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On January 12 2011 14:07 Beneather wrote:Lool, Wait CC doesn't get Vanilla Townie I thought it was first death
Proof that people tend to not read anything I say, or just everything in general.
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Since it's Night now, for those who feel like reading, here are my impressions/opinions/comments regarding the remaining players in the game. You can take this lightly, you can take this seriously, however these are my sincere thoughts. Keep in mind, I'm not superman and I don't have every player, every aspect covered. Be warned, feelings might be hurt. Feel free to curse at me and kick my balls if need be.
# aidnai Scum or incoherent Townie. He has been brought up as a prime candidate for lynch but was able to fight his way out. His last minute suggestion of another lynch candidate made me raise an eyebrow.
# CubEdIn Nothing much on the guy. Pretty active, but nothing particularly stands out. Memory tells me he is reasonable.
# Kenpachi Second major lynch target right after LoR. I'm going to be very honest here, the majority of my time was spent replying to those who wrote to me. I mainly let the majority interrogate Kenpachi, and only read through those posts.
# bumatlarge Lately, seems like every time I play a game, bum is there too. Based on experience, bum is being bum, as in town aligned bum. He always ends up being Town for some reason... A logical player, and is a Mafia veteran.
# Barundar Who are you? I'm sorry
# deconduo Supposedly the CPR. A brief incident of him claiming not being able to get the CPR role, which then claimed it was actually Ace's mistake. Ace refused to confirm anything, but I do believe it's the latter. He haven't posted much lately, or entirely actually.
# Eiii Random dude that changed his votes a couple times I think.
# BloodyC0bbler Haha... I've mentioned BC more than a few times in the thread. Dude has been MIA thus far, and his reasoning for voting LoR is just
# kitaman27 Involved on the other side of the gong show.
# GGQ Some how you always slip through my mind. Nothing have stood out thus far.
# Amber[LighT] Another experienced Mafia player mostly lurking around. Like mentioned in my other post in reply to aidnai, Amber may very well be Mafia, I never denied it. I thought it was bad when he instantly voted for aidnai when aidnai accused him. I thought he wasn't here.
# JimboSilvers Hmm, to say my impression on him, he currently lies in between CubEdIn and GGQ...
# LSB Leader wannabe. Forced his plan really hard, despite opposing voices during pre-game from numerous players. For the most part, LSB's thought process has been logical, but not without flaws. On a scale of 10, 1 is Town aligned and 10 is Mafia aligned, I would put him at a 4 for now.
# Jackal58 Another gong show member!
# Beneather Seriously, how many times have I caught this guy failing to read? At least 3 times already. I don't know what to make of him. If he is Mafia, his slip ups are just too hard to believe they are actual slip ups.
# HaploPaithan Calm guy. Another rather reasonable player. His ideas has been quite pro town.
# Pigsquirrel Who the !@#$ are you?!
# zeks Ignored my initial [3][1],[3][2],[3][3] accusation like a boss. He hasn't talked much, so not much here, but it almost feels like he is holding something back. zeks has also played in numerous Mafia games before.
# Misder Dude that claims that he is not here, which I don't deny, but will eventually pop by to defend my blasphemous accusations. Unlike zeks, he gave me the opposite response to my [3][1],[3][2],[3][3] accusation.
# Divinek Mainly inactive. Dropped by and expressed his disappointment of not being able to vote for aidnai, along with some gibberish. Quoted my epic 4k post and said he would be happy to prove me wrong after he dies... teheheh. No shrooms while playing Mafia, kk?
So yeah, take my words with a pinch of salt. Now I have to reread all the posts and figure out this CC/CPR/Witch situation.
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Oh fuck, just as I hit post, a wild Misder appeared.
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@Misder
Woah, slow down there. I bet your eyes were so red in rage, that you couldn't fix your grammar, format your post, and didn't even want to preview it since you want to slap my in the face so badly. Your post is so broken I can't even quote it. I really don't feel like fixing the format for you...
So, you accused me first huh? If you did, I'm so sorry. You're first, I lose, kk!
Now down to business. I'm actually amazed that you are taking my accusations really seriously. I've said from time to time, if you're innocent, why would you give a shit? I would understand that you would need to voice up if you were on the verge of being lynched, but has anyone else jumped on the bandwagon and shout for your head? No. To be fair, I don't think anyone else besides me had even looked at you in this game.
Thus far, besides not being here, for legitimate reasons or not I don't care, you haven't done much except for mainly responding to my shitty accusations like you said it. I don't know how thoroughly you are following the thread, and how thoroughly you have read my posts, but I did mention that all I'm doing at the beginning was to throw rocks into the lake. I might get nothing, I might get ripples, and I might get a tsunami. You're the tsunami.
I've seen town aligned players get tunnel vision and only attack the people that accuse them. Hopefully your that player and not Mafia, getting desperate to counter everything thrown at him. With that being said, you accusing me is fine. If you have a point, people will listen, people will follow. Just don't focus everything on me, and only me, ignoring the lynch, ignoring whatever plan we have going, and just me.
Most of the stuff you brought up has already been discussed. Whether to go through it in a calm manner or not, is your call. Regardless, with your reaction given, people would really start to wonder why and would be keeping an eye on you.
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On January 12 2011 16:08 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:56 Fishball wrote: Oh fuck, just as I hit post, a wild Misder appeared. Aren't you supposed to be asleep? lol.
I just replied to your other post and it's 12:26 am now. I have to wake up at 6 every morning
I skimmed through your other posts, and its good to see you are discussing something else, other than my accusations.
Heading to bed now.
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On January 13 2011 02:11 bumatlarge wrote:If you have never played with me, please make a point to post a long paragraph of your thoughts so far on the game, because I have a read on just about everyone I know, including the lurkers. I promise I will read it and respond, I just don't want any town players to lurk without good reason. As for people I know who think they are successfully lurking, I will find you. Again docs, I feel like I'm gonna get shot, so if I don't get protection, hopefully I can dissuade KP ;P
The only person that surprised me was "Pigsquirrel". I honestly didn't even know he existed, lol.
Just hit "All" and searched for his name, seems like he wasn't exactly inactive, or at all. I mean, compared to certain players, he is doing way better in terms of activity level.
Maybe I'm just losing it.
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As some of you might have noticed, I haven't had much chance to post yesterday, or at all. Been out and about most of the day, and with clients for dinner meetings later on.
Checked the thread a couple times on my phone. I thought if deconduo had shocked me, that would be the end of me. At least I'm still alive, for another round.
I'll add more maybe during lunch.
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Originally, I was going to push BC as a lynch candidate, due to being inactive for like 3 days, and posting this reason on why LoR should be lynched Day 1.
On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
Even though I've said this a few times:
On January 10 2011 10:12 Fishball wrote: Oh, like I mentioned before, if I'm town, there is a good chance BC is red.
Surprisingly, BC posted a lot this morning...
So deconduo admitted he is SK, and the Town is keeping him alive because he is on "our side". It is possible to use him for kills, and off him if he stops behaving... CubEdIn is being brought up for the lynch due to being a Traitor candidate, and some incoherent responses, although he did claim Doctor. (I doubt Ace will come out to clarify anything here)
So are we trying to pin Mafia for this lynch, or are we going for the Traitor? I've already mentioned why we shouldn't focus on finding the Traitor a couple days ago, but with me being a candidate as well, my credibility is shot. Hopefully you guys can choose the best course of action.
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At home right now. Just took some time to reread the past 5 pages to straighten my mind.
On January 14 2011 06:48 aidnai wrote: Anyone else think BC is scum? I'd rather have deconduo use his shot on BC than cubed, to be honest. I really think cubed is a doctor, and most likely town since I can't think of why a scum/sk would want that role.
BC on the other hand was awfully quiet for like three days, and now he jumps in to spam FOS's everywhere (so far kenpachi, cubed, and now LSB).
If you've read my posts, you would have known I've brought up BC numerous times, literally since the beginning if that counts. As much as I'm keeping an eye on him, I do agree with some of the stuff he has said today and follows the logic.
Regarding LSB, this is my comment I had towards his plan early in the game.
On January 07 2011 14:59 Fishball wrote: Our alignment PM's have already been sent by Ace. So if you are still pushing for the plan, you are one or more of the following: - You are Mafia, wanting to fish information. - You are aiming for the Traitor role, feeding Mafia information to help your side to win. - You are butt-hurt after multiple players told you this wasn't a good plan, and your ego refuses to let yourself back down. - You are simply naive.
To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas.
Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
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On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote: i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies
I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT
You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant.
For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here.
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On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 11:57 Fishball wrote:On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote: i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section: + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant. For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here. Although you try to ignore my reasonig, you dance around the fundamental issue. The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed KenpachiNot only do you ignore this, you ignore my three other points. Not all information is usefull. However something such as a traitor not recieving his role is increadible usefull. Speaking of which Deconduo is CC Kenpachi is Godfather Kitaman is Vig Baunder and Jackel58 are dead CubEdIn is Medic Amber[Light] is roleblocker That leaves you as traitor. I'm actually flattered that you are trying to eliminate me with reasoning, however flawed
Haha, how furious. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
I would have never brought this up in the first place, if it wasn't for you and your "selective reading", and calling BC's post stating "random lies". Also, I never said I want you dead nor asked people to lynch you. All that I've stated is fair speculation; You can't deny anything that I've brought up. How proud and naive. Your exact problem before this game even started.
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On January 14 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 11:57 Fishball wrote:On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote: i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section: + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote: To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote: Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote: aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote: If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote: I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote: This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote: Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote: I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles Deconduo- CC Kenpachi- Some Mafia role Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc Mafia Member 2- JOAT You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant. For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here. Although you try to ignore my reasonig, you dance around the fundamental issue. The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed KenpachiNot only do you ignore this, you ignore my three other points. Not all information is usefull. However something such as a traitor not recieving his role is increadible usefull. Speaking of which Deconduo is CC Kenpachi is Godfather Kitaman is Vig Baunder and Jackel58 are dead CubEdIn is Medic Amber[Light] is roleblocker That leaves you as traitor. I'm actually flattered that you are trying to eliminate me with reasoning, however flawed Haha, how furious. Somehow, I'm not surprised. I would have never brought this up in the first place, if it wasn't for you and your "selective reading", and calling BC's post stating "random lies". Also, I never said I want you dead nor asked people to lynch you. All that I've stated is fair speculation; You can't deny anything that I've brought up. How proud and naive. Your exact problem before this game even started.
Oh, and just to add, you claiming you didn't get GF, and Kenpachi claiming he got GF, does not confirm anything. Think again, think slowly. It makes the scenario likely, but it doesn't confirm.
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On January 14 2011 14:15 LSB wrote: I think this senario could be a lot clearer after finding out your intentions
Vote Fishball
As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely.
Hey, vote for me all you want. I've made it clear that all I'm saying is fair speculation. I don't care whether you're town/sk/mafia, no one can disagree with what I just said. I agree with your claim of the "most likely" scenario, but you cannot use the word "confirm" and use it as a triumph card in an argument.
If you check my posts, even in other games, I'm always very careful with my wording. I try to consider every scenario, no matter how low the possibility, as long as it's possible. If you can't even get your facts straight, you're convincing nobody, just like your plan.
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On January 14 2011 14:30 kitaman27 wrote:Fishball rather than arguing about semantics, since you are the only one in the top 8 not to claim, why not join the party? Might shed some light on the traitor situation. Your reasoning for ignoring the traitor is out of date as the majority of suspects are either dead or have the ability to prove their role. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 14:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2011 14:15 LSB wrote: I think this senario could be a lot clearer after finding out your intentions
Vote Fishball
As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely. If kenpachi isn't the GF (how the hell isn't he? did he just claim ANOTHER ROLE), that would mean someone between #3 and #12 is the gf. at 13 I aimed for it and didn't get it. I honestly don't get you people. ##vote LSB You are just way to scummy right now not to vote for. LSB is addressing Fishball with that post. He isn't saying kenpachi isn't the godfather.
The latest comment I have on the Traitor situation is this:
On January 14 2011 05:00 Fishball wrote: So are we trying to pin Mafia for this lynch, or are we going for the Traitor? I've already mentioned why we shouldn't focus on finding the Traitor a couple days ago, but with me being a candidate as well, my credibility is shot. Hopefully you guys can choose the best course of action.
As you can see, it was just a reminder of something that was brought up before, some advice based on first hand experience. I never denied the fact that I am a candidate, and I even pointed out my low credibility by due to that reason. I'm not stopping anyone to go Traitor hunting. Hell, even LSB said he didn't want to hunt for the Traitor at first, and now look at him. Fast and Furious.
Why would you want me to claim? Just to "join in the party", and "shed some light regarding the Traitor"? In short, no, I won't be claiming. We already have enough claims. With all Mafia, and possibly multiple SK's on the loose, I shouldn't even need to explain why. Claiming also opposes the original reason why I objected LSB's draft plan in the first place.
No, I don't want to die, but if anyone thinks I'm by far the scummiest player, compared to everything else that we have on our plate, or whatever reason so dire that I have to be killed, feel free to vote me off.
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On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different.
So full of yourself. The first step of a plan is to convince people that your plan will work. When your plan convinces nobody, it has already failed. There are no "If's".
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3
I think you got your scenario wrong, probably blinded by rage. It was BC who made a full case on you. I only said I shared the same views on some of the stuff he wrote. If you hadn't made this reply, + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote: I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies I wouldn't even have bothered to further point out the flaws of your argument. Then you said, + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote: The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed Kenpachi
which is also flawed as already pointed out.
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote: the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan.
lol? What "plan"?
Funny thing is, there wasn't once I exactly pinned you as scum. I even somewhat "defended" you here. + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote: To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas.
This is also what I had commented on you on page 36. + Show Spoiler +On January 12 2011 15:55 Fishball wrote: # LSB Leader wannabe. Forced his plan really hard, despite opposing voices during pre-game from numerous players. For the most part, LSB's thought process has been logical, but not without flaws. On a scale of 10, 1 is Town aligned and 10 is Mafia aligned, I would put him at a 4 for now.
Now all of a sudden, I'm the primary evil being trying to get rid of you. You disregard everything else and vote for me, even wanted the SK to hit me. I know I use harsh words, but this is just gold. My original opinion towards you is definitely changing.
Once again, for everyone else, I'll quote myself here.
On January 14 2011 15:06 Fishball wrote: No, I don't want to die, but if anyone thinks I'm by far the scummiest player, compared to everything else that we have on our plate, or whatever reason so dire that I have to be killed, feel free to vote me off.
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On January 15 2011 09:20 LSB wrote: I was going to win with you Deconduo! Should have remembered, once a backstabber, always a backstaber...
I actually felt sorry for you, as I didn't even vote for the kill from deconduo's poll. The results weren't surprising. It actually worked out great! Everything makes perfect sense now.
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On January 15 2011 09:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: wtf i didn't think this would happen...
Sure you haven't. Kill Fishball, all the way. LSB is has to be right. My explanation has to be shit.
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On January 15 2011 09:27 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +Day Vigilante - During the day you may type Kill: Player in the thread. That player is going to die and the day goes on. You can only shoot once. According to the role, it looks like we will not receive confirmation that the kill went through until night. That means we have to trust that LSB will die. There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that Fishball is the traitor, however his behavior in thread has been surprisingly...not insane. Since LSB wants him dead, can we wait and see how LSB flips before killing him? I suspect LSB will flip town and we can vig fishball tonight. I want to lynch deconduo. Whether or not he lied about being day vig, whether or not he 'helped' us by shooting LSB, he is not town and he has KP. Even if we could without a doubt control his KP, town showed today it doesn't have time or organization to handle the extra KP. Therefore I'm not changing my vote. Now that LSB is most likely going to die anyway, I think we can afford to wait on BC since we'll be reducing KP by lynching Deconduo. Bottom line: lynch Deconduo, reduce non-town KP. It's a definite step in the right direction.
Um... you are late.
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#vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
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On January 15 2011 09:57 Kenpachi wrote:Hey look. 2 Cereals There is possibly a third. Im Godfather and they are not. ##vote FishballI dont understand.. Why would you fake a counterclaim???
What are YOU talking about?
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On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote: I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight.
I just abstained my vote, and you want to kill me. What? Do you understand your position?
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On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote: Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore
So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore.
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On January 15 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:04 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote: Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore. Okay so what led you to "roleclaim" to the public?
??? When the !@#$ did I role claim to the public?
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On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did..
?????
Ok, I'm lost. Let's just assume we did claim our roles. Then???
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On January 15 2011 10:25 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:24 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did.. ????? Ok, I'm lost. Let's just assume we did claim our roles. Then??? Well, if you claimed GF, theres a clear problem..
So let me get this straight. You skimmed through the last 5 pages, then assumed that me and BC claimed our roles, and thought that I had claimed GF, and proceeded to accuse me of BS'ing and vote for me.
Ok. I don't think anyone else can top this. You do realize that people don't know about your alignment, and the only reason why people are refraining from lynching you off, is due to your retaliation ability.
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On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining.
And why? You and LSB have been so similar in a lot of places. You asked for my role, which I refuse to give. Then you became one of the first few to push for my lynch. Now LSB, is gone, you're still pushing hard. You act awfully like an SK.
Do you really want to know my role? Are you that afraid to hit me at Night?
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On January 15 2011 10:39 CubEdIn wrote: Ok fine BC. If you guys think we can get the lynch shifted, I'm ok with that.
My guess is that we won't though, and we'll miss a lynch.
##vote Fishball
I like how I grabbed all the attention, and your love relationship between deconduo magically dissapeared. Vote Fishball, always the easy way out!
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On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now.
And almost no one listened when BC call LSB scum, when he turned out to be SK. I'm calling you SK, so?
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On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you?
Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have?
Kenpachi kitaman27 Amber[Light] CubEdIn
None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining?
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On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2.
So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case.
Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha.
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Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled.
So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there.
On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless.
Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before.
It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back.
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On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: I'd be willing to bet this game on the fact that there would only be two SK, personally.
Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar, and fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful, not to mention not voting yesterday when he was clearly active.
See, players like you are the ones that make me frown, and shouldn't even be playing. First I had to deal with Kenpachi and now you. Obviously you weren't here last night, did not follow the thread, skimmed through most of it, saw Ace's post and made your comment. Hey, look what I found regarding my vote? + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 09:34 Fishball wrote: #vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
On January 15 2011 11:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you? Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have? Kenpachi kitaman27 Amber[Light] CubEdIn None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining? The only reason why Ace missed my vote, was because he searched for ##, instead of #, a wrong format I used.
On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar
I've been refraining from using any swear words, even calling people stupid in this game, but it's late at night and you're pushing it. Reread my post. I never argued about or denied how suspicious Beneather and zeks looked. I even said most of us knows, so what you're saying is just pointing out the obvious. My main point, was to question JimboSilvers's motives in general, the big picture itself. You "agreeing" with him, is a pointless reply to my message. I'm talking about apples, you're talking about oranges.
On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful.
So you just repeated what JimboSilvers said, just with different wording. No personal opinions, nothing. I don't feel like talking about this for the Nth time, especially when I'm clearly just wasting my own energy.
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On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: Damn this is getting interesting. So I guess since deconduo is confirmed CC now, its unlikely we have a CPR doc unless someone was ballsy enough to pick it when it was pretty clear deconduo was going to pick it. So we might have 3 SKs unless the 4th hit last night was from a JOAT.
Deconduo should hit beneather. I'm pretty sure he's scum. Why? He's damn useless and posts only questions, one liners, doubt posts, and posts that just seems like he's trying to act. He doesn't offer any strong opinions, and offers questions on pointless information. And after he poses the questions, he never follows up and offers insight. His voting record is also laughable, he votes for LayOffRage day 1, and abstains day 2. He also has no acceptable reasoning for either of his votes.
kitaman should hit Fishball. Why? First off, this confirms kitas role and targets a troublemaker. If fishball flips traitor, then kita is confirmed innocent otherwise the hit wouldn't go through and fishball would be recruited instead. This is unlikely though, as I think Fishball is just plain scum. Hes been useless, calls out a bunch of people calling them scum with little reason. Although his play can be interpreted as "he's just having fun", he is active yet doesn't contribute. He stirs the pot when there is already chaos in the air, and doesn't do anything to actually help the town. Burn his ass.
For the third hit (CPR Doc/3rd SK), I propose zeks. This just reminds me of someone who is hiding. Said some stuff earlier about LSB's plan, announced his number, and announced that "I'll say that I'll be taking one of Alignment Cop, Tracker, Mason or Witch." Well its time for him to crawl out of your cave there, because for being an investigative role hes pretty clueless. Hes obviously not the witch. Either way, if hes any of the other roles he should state which one he is right now. Otherwise we should just shoot him. The rest of his posts have a common theme with the other above targets. Useless and insightless. He votes with flimsy reasoning on day 1, and didn't vote day 2. So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move. Also, I don't know exactly what you mean by "doesn't contribute". If pointing out sense (like what I did just now), and being involved with catching a SK isn't contributing, then we obviously have different understands of this term. Also keep in mind, I have been in the middle of the picture for quite a few times. It's not exactly easy that I can somehow make everyone worship me and we can happily go scum hunting. If you think that yourself, popping out once or twice a day, generalizing your "facts" and accusing people is contributing, then I rest my case. Oh, and me being a "troublemaker"? Hahaha. This is exactly what I mean. SK's are not mafia. So you really don't get any brownie points for finding them. You just pop out and accuse me, maybe for accusing you. But since I've now switched to Haplo, you should be all cool with that, right? Unless you're trying to defend some mafia buddies. But we can wait on that judgment. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:21 Fishball wrote:Funny how Ace just warned Jimbosilvers is in danger of being modkilled. So this inactive guy pops out and calls 3 people useless. Huge irony there. On January 15 2011 17:19 JimboSilvers wrote: beneather. He's damn useless
Fishball. Hes been useless
zeks - Useless and insightless. Most of us are well aware of those that are inactive, and what they have done. I've even brought up Beneather based on his other mistakes before. It's quite obvious I could be used as the perfect scapegoat, but choosing a couple more inactives for his analysis and accuse them, hardly makes him any more useful, especially when he is inactive himself. It would not surprise me if JimboSilvers had a different agenda behind his back. There's a difference between being not being omnipresent in the thread and being useless. I may not respond to every post or give my thoughts on all the nonsense you people create, but I don't need to, and I don't have the time to. Notice how every time I do post, I post content. Notice how everytime I post something there's strong resistance to everything I say. I'd say its just the mafia afraid of me. Ever notice how we aren't really getting anywhere? Especially you. Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts. Coolio. KP roles please read my above posts and think about it hard. I don't have to get into a shit flinging fest in order to get my point across.
In all the games I play, I will almost never make an extended case against anyone and relentlessly attack unless it is extremely obvious. All that I usually do is to point things out and mainly let Town decide. Check "Insane Mafia" being one of the latest games I've played. This game, there is no difference, but I had used a different attitude approach; Huge reception difference from your average player. Adding the SK scenario and players who like to comment after skimming through posts, bam, you have a targeted Fishball all game.
On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: Notice how every time I do post, I post content.
Like me, you can have your very own concept of "contributing". I've already commented on your "content" so I'm not going to repeat myself here.
On January 16 2011 03:11 JimboSilvers wrote: Popping out and accusing me without really accusing me, and selectively reading my posts.
One thing you got wrong here for sure. You're the one "popping out" from inactivity, not me. As for me accusing you without really accusing you, that's subjective and is really up to Town. All that I'm doing is questioning your agenda and bringing it up to light.
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On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote:I hate to post this so long after the fact, but... Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: I'd be willing to bet this game on the fact that there would only be two SK, personally.
Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar, and fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful, not to mention not voting yesterday when he was clearly active. See, players like you are the ones that make me frown, and shouldn't even be playing. First I had to deal with Kenpachi and now you. Obviously you weren't here last night, did not follow the thread, skimmed through most of it, saw Ace's post and made your comment. Hey, look what I found regarding my vote? + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 09:34 Fishball wrote: #vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
On January 15 2011 11:04 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you? Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have? Kenpachi kitaman27 Amber[Light] CubEdIn None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining? The only reason why Ace missed my vote, was because he searched for ##, instead of #, a wrong format I used. Obviously. No, I was here last night at the last minute, hilariously scrambling around trying to get SOMEONE lynched so we didn't just waste a day. I didn't remember you voting and took ace's post to be accurate, yeah, and you certainly explained away your non-vote in another post when someone pointed it out, but it doesn't change the fact that missing a lynch is seriously bad for town, and you didn't even try to keep it from happening. Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: Jimbo's plan seems just fine to me, as well-- zeks and beneather have been flying under the radar I've been refraining from using any swear words, even calling people stupid in this game, but it's late at night and you're pushing it. Reread my post. I never argued about or denied how suspicious Beneather and zeks looked. I even said most of us knows, so what you're saying is just pointing out the obvious. My main point, was to question JimboSilvers's motives in general, the big picture itself. You "agreeing" with him, is a pointless reply to my message. I'm talking about apples, you're talking about oranges. ...this part of the post doesn't even have anything to do with you. Yeah, apparently we agree on this point. Why are you yelling at me again? Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 19:55 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful. So you just repeated what JimboSilvers said, just with different wording. No personal opinions, nothing. I don't feel like talking about this for the Nth time, especially when I'm clearly just wasting my own energy. Let's look allll the way back to the beginning of the thread... Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 09:43 Eiii wrote: Fish if you're a master of switching personalities or whatever, could you try and make this one a bit more useful as the game goes on? No offense, but town has lost the last two games I've played because of inciteful, spammy posters that basically just distracted them and gave a bunch of false leads. ...
Hey look! It's exactly the same opinion I'm expressing now, but a couple days from the past! Man that's crazy. And you haven't changed. I call you out on something anti-town you've done, so you yell at me. I throw my hat in with jimbo and agree with you on a few points, so you insult me and yell at me. I reiterate an opinion on you that I've held for the entire game, and that others are picking up on, so you yell at me again. Along with most of the rest of your posts this game, I just don't see what this accomplishes.
Your fault for not reading. You jumped the gun, so who is it to blame? You even said I had explained why I choose to abstain. Yet you still try to argue why "it is bad for Town for not lynching". What? Even if you ignore my post, this has already been explained by other players as well. Just so you think "a lynch is always good for town, regardless of outcome", doesn't mean it is right, and that everyone will agree with you.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I call you out on something anti-town you've done
Really? You called me out on something I've done? This is the only thing you said about me. + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2011 19:29 Eiii wrote: fishball has been obnoxious and unhelpful. Hey, you can regard everything I've said thus far falls into that category all you want, but it only proves that we're not even talking on the same level of logic if that is what you truly think.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I throw my hat in with jimbo and agree with you on a few points, so you insult me and yell at me. You agreed with me? Which part? I insulted and yelled at you? Quote me.
On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I reiterate an opinion on you that I've held for the entire game, and that others are picking up on, so you yell at me again. Along with most of the rest of your posts this game, I just don't see what this accomplishes.
So you reiterate "your opinion", something that Jimbo just talked about, and I've replied, something that I in fact replied to multiple times. Yet you just have the urge of saying that I'm "obnoxious and unhelpful" a couple post later. I should be the one saying: + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2011 06:13 Eiii wrote: I just don't see what this accomplishes. Maybe you should post once in every page and say that I suck. I'm pretty sure that accomplishes something. Oh, and again, where is the yelling?
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Out for the weekend, comeback, and see quite a big turn of events in terms of deaths.
I was notified that I was protected last night. Seems like you guys were waiting on this last piece of information.
So let me get this straight. Please read very carefully, and do not skim through the post like certain players. Keep in mind the following is going with what everyone claimed they are, and what they had done with their respective actions. This is by no means the absolute fact.
- deconduo hits me, was protected by a Doctor. (SK, 1 KP) - kitaman27 hits BloodyC0bbler, was role blocked by a Paranoid Doctor (Vig, 1 KP) - Unknown hits JimboSilvers, he survived a hit. (Unknown, 1KP) - Unknown hits zeks, he dies (Unknown, 1KP)
KP wise, this seems consistent with the four deaths, with HaploPaithan being saved by aidnai the Witch on Night 1 (Five KP). LSB, a SK was taken out so we are one KP less on Night 2 (Four KP).
If no one is lying, this is what I see. - It is very likely that zeks was hit by a SK, as Mafia shouldn't be able to hit one of their own. Even if if they could, it is extremely not likely that they would. - If a SK hits zeks, it is very likely that the Mafia choose to hit JimboSilvers. - If the Mafia hits JimboSilvers, he survives a hit and no one had protected him, that means he can be either Veteran, Bulletproof, or SK with an additional role. - We are likely to have 2 Serial Killers on the loose.
Now, back to me. I'd say it is very likely that I was protected by a Mafia Doctor due to two reasons. - Everybody and their dogs thinks I am the Traitor, so it's not surprising if they would want to "test the waters" themselves. - Regardless of my role, like I said, everyone thinks I'm the Tratior. deconduo announced before hand that he would hit me. If the Mafia saves me, this Traitor situation can just prolong for another day, distracting the Town. This is something I warned you guys about from the very beginning.
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On January 16 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote: Well so if Kita got roleblocked and he was saved from a hit, hes a confirmed townie
??? Are you dumb?
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On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours
Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ???
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On January 17 2011 06:38 Fishball wrote: Out for the weekend, comeback, and see quite a big turn of events in terms of deaths.
I was notified that I was protected last night. Seems like you guys were waiting on this last piece of information.
So let me get this straight. Please read very carefully, and do not skim through the post like certain players. Keep in mind the following is going with what everyone claimed they are, and what they had done with their respective actions. This is by no means the absolute fact.
- deconduo hits me, was protected by a Doctor. (SK, 1 KP) - kitaman27 hits BloodyC0bbler, was role blocked by a Paranoid Doctor (Vig, 1 KP) - Unknown hits JimboSilvers, he survived a hit. (Unknown, 1KP) - Unknown hits zeks, he dies (Unknown, 1KP)
KP wise, this seems consistent with the four deaths, with HaploPaithan being saved by aidnai the Witch on Night 1 (Five KP). LSB, a SK was taken out so we are one KP less on Night 2 (Four KP).
If no one is lying, this is what I see. - It is very likely that zeks was hit by a SK, as Mafia shouldn't be able to hit one of their own. Even if if they could, it is extremely not likely that they would. - If a SK hits zeks, it is very likely that the Mafia choose to hit JimboSilvers. - If the Mafia hits JimboSilvers, he survives a hit and no one had protected him, that means he can be either Veteran, Bulletproof, or SK with an additional role. - We are likely to have 2 Serial Killers on the loose.
Now, back to me. I'd say it is very likely that I was protected by a Mafia Doctor due to two reasons. - Everybody and their dogs thinks I am the Traitor, so it's not surprising if they would want to "test the waters" themselves. - Regardless of my role, like I said, everyone thinks I'm the Tratior. deconduo announced before hand that he would hit me. If the Mafia saves me, this Traitor situation can just prolong for another day, distracting the Town. This is something I warned you guys about from the very beginning.
Just to add, if the following is true and is indeed how the Paranoid Doctor role works, we have one too many KP, and someone would be lying. We need a confirmation from Ace here.
On January 17 2011 05:38 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2011 11:28 CubEdIn wrote: confirmed: You saved your target from a hit last night. Kita you were hit according to CubE's protection So you were protected and roleblocked meaning CubE is a Paranoid Doctor.
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On January 17 2011 06:47 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 06:44 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote: your missing that Kita was hit by someone. Read my post above yours Ok, Kita was hit. So he is confirmed. ??? Mafia hit was on Kita or Jimbo. JOAT/CPR/Unkown SK was on Zeks. You were hit by Deconduo. Kita hit BC. Now, This doesnt make much sense and the only possibilities are a 2nd SK on Zeks and Mafia with a JOAT/CPR or SK with 2 KP.
All your slash acronyms makes my head hurt. This is not my point. I'm talking about this quote specifically.
On January 16 2011 11:30 Kenpachi wrote: Well so if Kita got roleblocked and he was saved from a hit, hes a confirmed townie
For all that matters, it does not CONFIRM him. I already bit on LSB once for using the word "confirm" loosely. NOTHING is confirmed.
However, I give credit where credit is due. I do appreciate you pointing out the possibility of Cube saving an actual hit.
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On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared.
Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say.
Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case.
Anyways, here is some statistic work for you guys These are the 15 players left.
- aidnai
- CubEdIn
- Kenpachi
- bumatlarge
- deconduo
- Eiii
- BloodyC0bbler
- kitaman27
- Amber[LighT]
- JimboSilvers
- Beneather
- HaploPaithan
- Pigsquirrel
- Misder
- Fishball
There are 4 Mafia, 1 Traitor, and 1 maybe 2 SK's.
That's 6-7 players, close to half of the remaining survivors that do not have Town as their priority.
These players all fall into the category of being inactive to a certain degree during the game. - BloodyC0bbler - bumatlarge - Eiii - Amber[LighT] - JimboSilvers - Beneather - HaploPaithan - Pigsquirrel - Misder
Regardless of reasons, these players fall into the "lurking/very inactive" category. - Eiii (I'm not entirely sure about his presence) - JimboSilvers - Beneather - Pigsquirrel - Misder
Two players that have literally vanished from the thread. (correct me if I'm wrong) - Beneather - Pigsquirrel
BC said that I've never exactly pushed for a lynch target myself. That is not exactly true, as I pushed for LoR's, which was deemed the best course of action for a Day 1 lynch by general consensus. I also proposed to lynch BC himself. Ok, maybe I didn't really push for BC's lynch but I've brought him up many times. I only held back after he made a case against LSB, and I agree with a lot of the stuff he says for the past couple days. Still, I find his reasoning for lynching LoR abnormal, especially after being inactive for like the first 3 days. + Show Spoiler +On January 11 2011 22:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote layoffrage
Heading off to work and won't be back tonight, but LoR is the safest lynch target for today. Out of myself, fishball and him we are most likely the three most experienced players, and I know i'm town, which means at least one of fishball and him is most likely red. Out of those two, LoR has given the most reasons as why he is most likely a better lynch target.
I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now.
So if you were to ask me for a lynch target, the information mentioned above is where I would start to look at.
Also, every one of you please keep one thing in mind. A player having their role confirmed does not mean their alignment is confirmed. I've seen a few of you use the word "confirm" a lot. It's mind boggling.
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Triple post, all quoting yourself. You can be BM's successor.
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On January 17 2011 09:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Show nested quote +Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives. Show nested quote +
1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night)
4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor)
5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit)
9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor)
Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either.
Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand?
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On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:28 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. Your only response to the traitor situation is that everyone thinks you are it and you're not focused on finding it. Seeing that you already voted for me, that just further proves my point. Your decision was already decided long ago, and I rather not waste hours of my Sunday debating on something that will have little to no effect on my case. You have given little reason to change my mind. There are very few possible situations remaining. If I were in your situation and knew I wasn't traitor I would surely push for who I thought it was rather than go after a giant list of inactives.
1 deconduo (copy cat, cannot be traitor) 2 Kenpachi (either BC is the godfather or someone between BC and kenpachi selected the godfather and bum is lying about his role cop check) 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night)
4 Barundar (dead, cannot be traitor)
5 Jackal58 (dead, cannot be traitor) 6 Fishball 7 Amber[Light] (lied about role blocking kenpachi and pig, meaning kenpachi and pig would also have to be lying, assuming pig ever comes forth) 8 CubEdIn (lied about saving me from a hit, while a second medic did save me from a hit)
9 LayOffRage (dead, cannot be traitor)
On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii I don't recall a Eiii claim either. Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand?
Also, lol @ 3 kitaman27 (lied about being role blocked and being hit at night) Did you deliberately leave out the possibility of "lied being a vig"? I mean, if you want to make your post convincing, at least list everything out. The more you hide it, the more suspicious you look.
This is my response to Jimbo a few pages back.
On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
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On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK.
You think you can just laugh it off, again?
Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig. I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this.
It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor".
Let's just assume I'm Mafia/Traitor, it only further supports my speculation. Mafia and Town both wants to get rid of SK. So downplaying my speculation with a "lol" due to me being a Traitor suspect doesn't really work. You could have taken a very different approach if you were truly Town.
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On January 17 2011 11:43 aidnai wrote: So, having our medic roleblock is kind of annoying... Not sure how we'll be able to use Kita's vig role safely now. :/
It sounds like Fishball is giving up, if that is the case and he is in fact traitor/scum, we should expect that he is being bussed and people that are on his wagon are not necessarily in the clear. Due to all the circumstantial evidence, it really does look like Fish must be the traitor, and most likely he's already been recruited. BC's psychoanalysis is interesting, but not as convincing to me as the other evidence that has piled up.
##Vote Fishball
Fishball, if you're town and you don't want to defend yourself, at least give us some ideas to look into once you flip green.
You're kidding right? I've given more than enough ideas. Actually, most of my stuff ARE ideas.
Look at kitaman27, that's an idea. Look at the inactives, that's an idea. Look at BC if you guys want, that's an idea. Look at JimboSilvers, that's an idea.
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On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig.
Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. Show nested quote +[*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:57 Fishball wrote:On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor. Oh... I'm also many things... in bed...
When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip.
##Vote kitaman27
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On January 17 2011 12:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Truth - You did not list the possibility that you can be SK Truth - You did not list the possibility that you might not be Vig.
Saying that I could be serial killer wouldn't make sense. [*] Traitor - You hold no allegiance to the town. If you are targeted by Scum at night with any action, instead of that action happening you'll be recruited by them instead. You lose if the Mafia lose. However you are part of the town count before recruitment. This role is nullified for the Serial Killer(s) since it may be too broken if they have it. Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor? On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote:On January 17 2011 10:22 kitaman27 wrote:On January 17 2011 10:18 Pigsquirrel wrote: Referring back to a rather old topic, but more relevant now that Fish is being accused of traitor/scum. Amber switched his vote off of Fish and threw away the lynch. If Fish gets lynched, major FoS at Amber for switching off of him.
Also, I've tried to do some analysis on BC but completely suck as this is my first game. He's said quite a few things that seem like slips and has been very disruptive and seems manipulative, like LSB. I still don't trust him.
##vote BloodyC0bbler Confirm you were role blocked last night? lol @ bum. How dare you use your story telling abilities to prevent me from wanting to hit you. :p Another lol @ fish for going back to calling my a SK. You think you can just laugh it off, again? I've also said this once to LSB. I don't care if you are Mafia/SK/Town/Bystander that is not playing the game, you cannot deny this. It's almost like me saying, "lol @ kitaman27 for going back to calling me a Traitor". Hmm, that seems vaguely familiar. Oh right! On January 11 2011 07:57 Fishball wrote:On January 11 2011 07:26 LayOffRage wrote: Fishball is the traitor. Oh... I'm also many things... in bed... When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip. ##Vote kitaman27 When did I accuse you of accusing me of being the Traitor. WHEN? This is getting silly -_- I asked you who you thought the traitor was with a list of possible suspects. You responded by saying that I left out the fact that I could not be the vig. I responded by asking if that omission meant you thought I was the traitor. Thanks for voting at least. I wish the result of the town would get around to voting unless they want a no-lynch like the day before.
You are full of shit. So you're saying I'm not accusing you of Traitor, yet you ask: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe if you keep calling me SK enough times, it might come true! I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that. So am I the person you suspect to be traitor?
Then you proceed to "prove" that you can't be the Traitor and the SK at the same time.
Do you even make sense? Because I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you.
The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up.
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On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up. Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it. Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 12:19 Fishball wrote: When, did I accuse you of being the Traitor. WHEN? Show me. Even any subtle sign, I would like to see you quote me. A bit subjective here aren't we? Now I'm really inclined to see you flip.
##Vote kitaman27 So that probably means you think I'm scum. That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor? This isn't adding up. I have not slipped, you are getting desperate. Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense.
Hahahahaha.
Wait, so do you think I'm the traitor? Based on this post it doesn't sound like it.
Really? You just further proved to everyone that you have zero reading comprehension ability whatsoever.
Ok, let Daddy guide you. What have I been posting about you for the past hour or so? Yes, the possibility and likelihood of you being a SK. Good, good... Now, if I accuse you to be a SK, can you also be the Traitor? Come on Johnny, you can do it! You already answered this once! Uh, I hear a "No?" That's right!. So Johnny, why did you ask this question in the first place?
I also like how I specifically said this. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 13:08 Fishball wrote:I wasn't even talking about "who is the Traitor". I was talking about you. The only comment I had regarding your list, was to point out the fact that you were hiding "certain" possibilities, something that you shouldn't do if you want to make your post convincing. I even said + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:41 Fishball wrote: Exactly, I don't need you to change your mind. I'm not going to bother, how hard is it to understand? and earlier, + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 07:11 kitaman27 wrote: Fishball, could you at least address the traitor situation? If you are not the traitor then surely you would like yourself cleared. Let me ask you, what is there for me to say? I've addressed the Traitor situation literally the entire game. It's proven no one gives a shit what I have to say. It that doesn't tell you I'm not fucking talking about the Traitor, then I give up. To me, this is a huge slip up.
Then you say:
On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote: That means that you think the traitor is still in the top 8 and kenpachi, cube, or amber is the traitor?
Numerous times I've said that I'm not talking about the Traitor, yet time after time, you keep commenting on who you think I think who the Traitor is. You are hilarious.
On January 17 2011 13:26 kitaman27 wrote: Town: Do you see what is happening here? Fishball is trying to make you guys turn on your town aligned kp. They already tried to kill me at night. Don't fall for this nonsense.
You can paint yourself green all over, but what confirms you as a "Town Aligned KP"? Hell, I just even quoted one of my older posts, which I assume you choose to ignore or failed to read or comprehend or all of the above. This isn't really a surprise to me.
On January 15 2011 18:49 Fishball wrote: So you think that if kitaman hits me, and I flip traitor, that mean's he is confirmed innocent? You just said there is a possibility of 3 SK's. If kitaman is a SK, then nothing is confirmed. Being/claiming vigilante is like one of the best covers a SK can get. A SK doesn't align with Town or Mafia, and is only there for himself. He can easily stick around and "follow" Town's instruction to the end. A SK won't die to Night hits, and since the Day Vig already used his hit, a SK's only threat is the Day lynch. As long as the SK is under cover as a vigilante, and utilizes his ability "in favor" of Town, he won't have to worry about getting lynched, and can wait till the time is right to make a move.
and here, I pointed out how being a top Traitor suspect, my accusation does not have any conflict of interest with Town.
On January 17 2011 11:48 Fishball wrote: Let's just assume I'm Mafia/Traitor, it only further supports my speculation. Mafia and Town both wants to get rid of SK. So downplaying my speculation with a "lol" due to me being a Traitor suspect doesn't really work. You could have taken a very different approach if you were truly Town.
I can never be sure that you are a SK or not. You only lead me to vote for you after multiple logical slip ups and your stealthy behavior. When I questioned your post, you used this as a reason. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't list the possibility that I might not be vig because I know I am vig. I'll give you that.
So let's say, there is a list of 3 players, and there is a Mafia among them. If one of them claims he is not Mafia, does that mean the Mafia has to be among the other two? That's how weak your reasoning is, and explains a lot about yourself. Then when all my posts are directed at you, for some reason, you can interpret that "as me and my insight on the Traitor", even when there are multiple posts indicating I'm NOT talking about the Traitor. You are so subjective, this is beyond me. It's really hard for me to believe that you are truly Town at this point, enough to warrant my vote.
If we catch a SK, that's instantly -1 KP. If we catch a Mafia, the KP remains the same. To me, you're a solid candidate for a SK, and that's all I have to say.
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On January 17 2011 14:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 14:24 bumatlarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2011 13:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:12 bumatlarge wrote: Since mafia believes I am role cop, I guess it's no use keeping it secret.
I am a Role Cop Night 1. I checked kenpachi and it came back GodFather. I was going to come out and say it but then LSB and BC came out and said they went for GF, and that kenachi wasn't getting FoS for his move. Night 2 I picked Eii and got back vanilla. He should confirm this, but I have no idea what he went for or not. Night 3 I will check fishball if he survives. I want to check someone who can actually confirm I have rolecop, so tonight I will check one of the following unclaimed. Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:20 bumatlarge wrote:On January 17 2011 09:13 Kenpachi wrote: Interesting.. Eii lied? Did he claim? I must have missed it. Well I know he is lying so until he responds to his situation. ##Vote Eiii He never claimed he got parity cop but he did say he would try to get it. You voting for him after you know he flipped vanilla townie is retarded. If he flipped vanilla town, and we know traitor was chosen befor ehim in the list he can only be 100% town by your own role. This is the most what the fuck reasoning to vote ever. You could have read the thread to know he hadn't claimed. Also, it is far too convienient that you checked a claimed player already, checked an inactive and got back innocent, while not actively participating in analysis. You have rehashed information multiple times, or chimed in on possible targets but have failed to actually bring forward targets of your own. I will be analyzing you as you are insanely obviously red at this point. Your role claim / target choices just proves it. Now, lets get to the matter at hand. Town majority at least till this point was Fishball is traitor. for what I can see, town majority still thinks he is He claimed mafia medic protected him, IE we know he was recruited last night This also means for him to survive "decon's" hit, decon must be red as well (mafia med won't prot him, just recruit him) Factor in Fishballs play today, He is actively trying to kill an almost essentially confirmed player (yes fishball, he actually is almost confirmed) over not factoring in a random situation that was insanely unlikely. You have seperately called him traitor and sk in previous posts which would lead to the confusion of his saying "sk can't be traitor". EVERYONE STOP AND VOTE FISHBALL. At the moment he is being counter productive, and if I am correct and he flips recruited mafia, we have just nabbed decon as well. Bum is obviously red, and my next closest suspect is Pigsquirrel who I will also be analyzing. Lets just win this game already and stop with the nonessential infighting. We have a list of townies that are basically good to go, time to remove the ones who aren't contributing and obviously anti town. I know what I have to do to win. I don't need to confirm myself, I've been here this whole game telling town what I thought and giving them hell for what I thought was stupid, and you've been trying to do that also, except a day later. You let day 2 slip by without lynching anyone. So you are most likely busing fishball when half the active people are already voting for him and now deconduo is red? Of course we are going to lynch him next after killing 3 more townies during the night whether he is SK or scum. And it wouldn't surprise me if he did pop red now that you "deduced" it. The only thing stopping you is town isn't going to blindly believe everything you say. Jimbo was hit right after you said "I like this guy!" You knew he was smart, but that kill didn't go your way. Can't wait for him to get back and refute this scenario you've created. Now you are trying to bully the remainder of the people like Amber who is 95% town into following you by insulting them. I'll never get that why you and fishball think insulting someone's intelligence is the best way to persuade them. And of course the other 4 in the top besides fish and deconduo are town because their stories rely on one another, and damn you don't have a scum among them. Well let's kill them with kindness and "insta towny" all of them. WE'LL HAVE A HOLIDAY EVERYONE BC IS GIVING OUT INSTA TOWNIE REP! I've got mine, and I think you are banking way too hard that town will lynch me during lylo. You'd be running short on the list of people you can bus then? Bus? Dude, go compare your play to zeks, sup same shit. You are feigning activity, you have done 0 real analysis on finding scum. Period. You can come out all you want and say "i think so and so is x" without an actual post behind why you believe so its useless and fluff posts. It gives you the appearance of being active and contributing while in actuality lurking and keeping back. You also kept relatively inactive in thread all through day 2 until you were called out. As for the pushing of fishball now? If he flips red it gives us another one, decon. Compare fish's play to today till any other day and hes suddenly more active, gone from "i don't give a shit/post somewhat intelligently" to massive FoS someone who has yet to do anything massively anti town. Its chaos. But his play is drastically different now, what changed? Simple, he was given an "out" to live today. Far too convienient and most likely a lie.
To be fair, my activity level have been pretty consistent. There were only 2-3 days that I was busy or out. I already pointed out that my accusations have no conflict of interest with Town if I were Mafia/Traitor, so it won't be a "lie". You and others can vote for me all you want. As said before, I do no intend to defend myself nor discuss the Traitor any further due to reasons mentioned. kitaman did understand what that quote meant and exposed himself, so I voted for him. There are no gimmicks.
If you guys do not see what I see, then keep your vote on me. If you guys see what I see, but think I'm the second coming of Satan, then keep your vote on me. If you guys see what I see, and agree with me, then don't keep your vote on me.
It's simple as that.
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On January 17 2011 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fishball points fingers at me and kita.
What? This is what I said.
On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote: I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now.
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On January 18 2011 03:36 aidnai wrote: you're right kenpachi, I just realized that--you were definitely not an inactive. I usually open a bunch of tabs and searches and check when the last post was made, I may have mixed you up with someone else or something, sorry!
In other news, wake up everybody. No reason for 3 hours of silence in the middle of the day--we have a lynch today, and we have nightkills to discuss as well. Current voting:
Fishball: 6 votes Kenpachi Kitaman27 Amber[light] Bumatlarge BloodyC0bbler aidnai
Eiii: 0 votes
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler: 1 vote Pigsquirrel
Not voting yet: deconduo, CubedIn, Haplopaithan, Eiii, Misder, Jimbosilvers, Beneather
Misder is a player I'm having a hard time reading. Most of the content-posts from Misder have been responses to fishball's 'accusations', and misder never seems current on the situation or contributing to what is actively going on...
To be quite blunt, I think you have a hard time reading anyone, lol.
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On January 18 2011 04:16 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:On January 17 2011 17:25 aidnai wrote: Actually, something that would be good to know: Ace, if a paranoid medic protects a vigilante, but the medic is killed by mafia/SK KP the same night, will the vigilante be protected and roleblocked or not?
Yes. All actions always go through. Ok, this being the case, I think Kita should have the last say whether cubed protects him or not. Kita, if you feel certain you have a scum in your radar, tell cubed not to protect you and you'll be able to get your hit in, even if you die. If you're not as confident in your hit, I think cubed should keep protecting you. We still have deconduo's night kp tonight I believe, that's enough. I trust Kitaman enough to not have him announcing his hit before hand. It seems entirely possible that the mafia have a medic, which would slow us down quite a bit if they knew for sure who we were hitting. ^^@fishball: Rofl it's true dude, did you see me in team mini mafia? Can't read anyone... Anyway, I'm not going to take this seriously until you flip tonight :/
Haha, my post wasn't exactly implying to anything that you have on this game. I'm just saying in general. You have a good attitude though, and most importantly, you read, so over time you'll be fine, hopefully. Oh, I so fucking hate players that don't/can't read.
I'm just munching on lunch right now and felt like posting something.
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On January 18 2011 04:53 CubEdIn wrote: I'm sorry Fishball, but the only other decent solution would be to lynch deconduo, and that won't help the town no matter the outcome, since we know for sure that he's not the traitor. And there aren't people who would group on others (like Amber, that I suspect big time). Ace confirmed to me that kita took a hit, and it was obviously not from a townie (so either SK or scum).
Honestly, If I had 4KPs now, I would wipe out all the inactives. Don't even care what side they're on. It's against the game spirit no matter what side you're on. It's a GAME, you're supposed to PLAY it, not idle for 1 month and then go LOLOLOL I didn't do anything and the town NEVER SUSPECTED ME. /awesome.
But since town doesn't want to take down inactives, then we should go for the traitor, and you're the best target for that at the moment. But please know that I still love you. <3 xoxo.
I only like Romanian girls, and their sarcastic humor.
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun.
If Jimbo is Town aligned and is BP, he will have to bring this up for sure. (Proves someone is lying) If Jimbo is not Town, he can just claim veteran to avoid conflict.
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On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote: Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight?
fishball, you're right that jimbo could be scum. But in that case I really don't mind roleblocking him. I don't think we're going to target him with town KP tonight, so I'm not worried about protecting him.
I'm not specifically pointing fingers at anything here. Since you said, "Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed". I'm just pointing out the scenarios, like I always do. Believe or not, that's the way it has always been. If you keep drawing to conclusions based on information people "provide" you with, you'll be easily deceived. Take it from a guy that is about to die.
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On January 18 2011 08:38 aidnai wrote: Deconduo appears just to hammer? Something feels quite definitely wrong here...
Technically, the Romanian chick who <3 me is the hammer.
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On January 18 2011 08:44 CubEdIn wrote:I'm not a chick. I just like the way you post. You seem very pro-town, just like BC. ...but then again, as an experienced mafia player, I would expect you to post as such if you are red. So you see... even though there's much much love, we can't risk losing another lynch. Heck, if you can convince everyone to vote for me, I'll switch my vote to myself, lol.
I know you're not a chick... Romania!
Aw, you made my day by saying that I seem pro-town.
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I’ve had this post prepared, and have been waiting for the inevitable moment for quite a while now.
It’s not exactly a secret that I am the Traitor. Even an amoeba can figure that out by now. The moment a player brought up that he did not receive the Traitor role, and his claim was proven by his death, in all likely hood, there can only be one ending that awaits me. I’ll leave my comments and motives for pre-game. As for this post, my last post, there are a few things I want to point out. This is merely a logical explanation from my point of view, and I will be leaving out most of the subjective game details and events due to obvious reasons; If I said Ace is not Mafia in a game where I flipped Mafia, who would believe me? It would just be more a of a WIFOM.
The Mafia obviously know each other, and know who isn’t one of their own. The only thing that Mafia does not know, is among these players, who are the Serial Killers. Lynches can be persuaded and convinced, but SK KP on the other hand is a lot more difficult. Any logical player will tell you that finding and hunting for the SK will be one of Mafia’s primary goal in this game. Also, keep in mind that the SK cannot be killed by conventional means, due to their nature of being bulletproof. There are only 4 possible ways for the SK to die in this game.
- Hit by Day Vigilante - Taken a hit while being Roleblocked - Lynched - Taken a hit by another SK
The most convenient way, would of course be lynching the SK, for a couple reasons. It builds credit to the person who pushed for the SK lynch, and it eliminates the chances that a fellow teammate (if you are Mafia) to be lynched as there is only one lynch.
Now although the above is mainly presented from a Mafia standpoint, this does not mean it does not apply to other parties at all. It’s already proven that we have multiple SK’s in this game. From the core, SK’s only play for themselves and can only win if they are the last man standing. They will have to kill each other, and they can since their hits go through BP. They cannot win with each other and this has been confirmed by Ace.
The most dangerous threat to a SK, is the lynch. They cannot be taken out by conventional night hits, and their alignment check comes up as innocent. They only start as one, with Mafia starting at 5, and the possibility of ending up as 6 by recruiting the Traitor. They need KP assistance from the Mafia to trim down the count of Town, but they also need to keep Mafia’s # count in check. First thing, it doesn’t hurt Mafia’s 1 KP with their members dying (unless all of them die). Secondly, it lowers the Mafia's influence in lynch votes, which is the most critical portion. If SK’s want to win, this is what they must do.
What matters to Town, is to eliminate all onslaught sources from the SK’s and Mafia. I already said this once. Killing a SK is an instant -1 KP. Killing a Mafia however, overall KP remains the same. It’s pretty obvious what benefits the Town more in both short and long term gains. I decided not to reply when BC argued against my logic, because if I argue, it would basically mean that I am admitting Traitor and am admitting defeat. Even though my lynch was 99.99% imminent, I decided to play that 0.01% to the end. I only decided to post this when my death is confirmed so I can get my point through.
If it ever came down to Town vs SK at the end, Town should be looking for players who fits into those subtle traits I mentioned above. There are already a few players I can name that falls into that category. Like I've said and repeated many times before, it is in the SK's best interest to blend in with Town. Acting "pro-town" now, does not mean they are Town. Finding a SK, does not necessarily mean they are Town. Finding Mafia, does not necessarily mean they are Town. I know it is impossible for every "pro-town" player to be the SK, but this is a fine line to walk; It would be up to the remaining players at the time to figure it out. This is Pick Your Power Mafia. One thing I know for sure, is that the SK will strike when the time is right, and if Town is not prepared, this could end very badly.
GG
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You guys are all SK. I'm the good guy.
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On January 21 2011 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 04:12 zeks wrote: ahh BC so good. we were too overconfident in our ability to lynch you later shoulda just shot me.
I already told you no one in their right mind would shoot you, given the situation.
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On January 21 2011 12:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 11:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2011 11:33 Kenpachi wrote:woah 1 died Deconduo must have hit beneather or the SK. ##vote deconduo pretty clear sk hit beneather. Mafia hit can't kill the bulletproof i said deconduo hit beneather or the SK. not deconduo or SK hit beneather >_>
Just like all game, you make zero sense whatsoever.
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I did not want to play this game at first, but when BC joined, I also decided to sign up last moment. I gave myself two choices at that point. 1. Get Day Vigilante and kill BC the instant the game starts. 2. Destroy LSB's plan. Getting Day Vigilante requires a very high draft. 6th wasn't high enough, plus I thought it would be a bit too lame even if I was able to pull the assassination off. It would be funny regardless. Obviously, I went with the latter.
There are a few reasons why I wanted to choose Traitor - I do not have to deal with Town. - It makes things more interesting, and gives me extra motivation to screw with LSB's grand plan. - Since I knew I was town at that point, and I wasn't planning to kill BC anymore, it was quite convenient to take the off chance that he might be Mafia. If we were able to team up, that could be fun.
My early exposure, and LoR's accusation was enough to get me recruited Night 1. Mafia had solid hits early on, and everything seemed to go well. However, that quickly changed. I ranted on deconduo's decision to claim SK, but it was understandable based on bumatlarge's accusation to tell players with top drafts to type "Kill: Player". I thought the overall scenario was just too extreme, but there was no turning back at that point.
A cycle later, deconduo decides to claim to town that he in fact hit me that Night. This was a key turning point for me; I knew things would start to go downhill from here and I was really upset with the move. Basically deconduo, while his "SK claim" validity has already been briefly brought up, confirmed contact with the biggest Traitor candidate, me, where I did not die. This will raise eyebrows no matter how you look at it, and left me limited options to work with. Should I say the hit never happened? Should I claim Veteran? Can't claim RB since a SK hit would go through. Should I say another Medic protected me? Which is likely since I claimed not following the plan. Bah, It didn't matter. I was bound to die. The moment I die, deconduo's claim would be void. When my lynch was confirmed, I made that last post as a last ditch effort, to help the "team"; To create a diversion on the SK(s), to plant distrust, no matter how minor it was. The effect was minimal - "Town" doesn't know how to read.
On Night 5, I warned bumatlarge and HaploPaithan not to hit JimboSilvers, as he was one of our main SK candidates. At that point, Mafia needed all the kills they can get in order to achieve/avoid Majority. JimboSilvers was hit anyways. Regardless, it didn't matter as bumatlarge and Pigsquirrel were killed, and the game was officially over for Mafia at that point.
Ace already commented on Mafia's overall play, so lets just leave it at that.
When Mafia was all but gone, I was rooting for the SK. Besides BC, no one in "Town" deserved a win. No one. Some of these players shouldn't even have played the game in the first place.
I should also add that Ace has a (lame lol?) sense of humor. Both me and BC joined the game with the intention of destroying LSB's plan. Neither of us turned out to be Mafia/SK, and LSB, the person who promoted a "pro-Town" plan flipped SK.
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On January 23 2011 01:04 bumatlarge wrote:To jimbo, you my good sir deserve a... + Show Spoiler +Your vet claim fucked me over, It did. I wasted 2 hits on you thinking you were town vet, when you were really an imbalanced politician. I look forward to playing in PYP4 again. But then you might have to deal with my insane townie powers!
This is what I said earlier in the game after someone claimed BP, and JimboSilvers took a hit
On January 18 2011 06:03 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun. If Jimbo is Town aligned and is BP, he will have to bring this up for sure. (Proves someone is lying) If Jimbo is not Town, he can just claim veteran to avoid conflict.
I didn't think you would buy what he said...
On January 23 2011 02:09 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 19:22 Fishball wrote: I did not want to play this game at first, but when BC joined, I also decided to sign up last moment. I gave myself two choices at that point. 1. Get Day Vigilante and kill BC the instant the game starts. 2. Destroy LSB's plan. Getting Day Vigilante requires a very high draft. 6th wasn't high enough, plus I thought it would be a bit too lame even if I was able to pull the assassination off. It would be funny regardless. Obviously, I went with the latter.
How is 6 way too low for Day Vigi? It hasn't gone even close to that high in any game so far (18 in PYP3, 15 in PYP2, and 13 in PYP1).
You are very right. I had my train of thoughts mixed up there. It was like 3 am when I made that post There was actually a 3rd role I was considering, which is just "Vigilante". I didn't want to take Day Vigilante, kill BC, and sit on my ass for the rest of the game while taking criticism for sure regardless of what BC flips. So I considered taking Vigilante and just do my own thing, or take Traitor. Vigilante is what I actually meant when I said that my draft pick was too low to obtain.
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On January 23 2011 02:41 CubEdIn wrote: Nah, Decon left CRP to another mafia that the town couldn't find. He probably realized that he couldn't "play along" with town if he picked CPR, and it was an important role so the mafia directed it towards someone else.
That being said, if I haven't had protected kita twice, game would have ended sooner for town, so I can assume that my play was pretty much the best it could be. ^__^
(and by play I mean targets during the night)
If your intention of protecting kitaman27 was to stop him from hitting BC, then yes it would be a good play. However, that really isn't the case, lol.
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On January 23 2011 08:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have not read anything but I will say this.
Suck it fishball.
You mad?
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Allow two Traitors next game. Madness solved.
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Mafia had 4 main suspects for SK's the entire game. kitaman27, LSB, BloodyC0bbler, and JimboSilvers.
We, or me specifically, never made a direct case against LSB. Besides calling his plan dumb, to which I enjoyed every single opportunity to do so, it was mainly beating around the bush. As soon as BC made his move on LSB, I couldn't help but be the first one to jump on the wagon and get a free ride.
On a side note, I've restored my faith in humanity after seeing many of you agreed that it was a bad move for deconduo to claim SK. I felt so alienated when I was the only one to oppose that move.
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