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On January 17 2011 14:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Fishball points fingers at me and kita.
What?
This is what I said.
On January 17 2011 09:10 Fishball wrote:
I'm pretty sure even BC himself would agree with me if you look at it from another player's view point. Still, what he is providing right now, far outshines the skepticism early on; I don't really have anything against him for now.
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On January 18 2011 03:36 aidnai wrote:
you're right kenpachi, I just realized that--you were definitely not an inactive. I usually open a bunch of tabs and searches and check when the last post was made, I may have mixed you up with someone else or something, sorry!
In other news, wake up everybody. No reason for 3 hours of silence in the middle of the day--we have a lynch today, and we have nightkills to discuss as well.
Current voting:
Fishball: 6 votes
Kenpachi
Kitaman27
Amber[light]
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
aidnai
Eiii: 0 votes
Bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler: 1 vote
Pigsquirrel
Not voting yet: deconduo, CubedIn, Haplopaithan, Eiii, Misder, Jimbosilvers, Beneather
Misder is a player I'm having a hard time reading. Most of the content-posts from Misder have been responses to fishball's 'accusations', and misder never seems current on the situation or contributing to what is actively going on...
To be quite blunt, I think you have a hard time reading anyone, lol.
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On January 18 2011 04:16 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 19:41 Ace wrote:On January 17 2011 17:25 aidnai wrote:
Actually, something that would be good to know:
Ace, if a paranoid medic protects a vigilante, but the medic is killed by mafia/SK KP the same night, will the vigilante be protected and roleblocked or not?
Yes. All actions always go through. Ok, this being the case, I think Kita should have the last say whether cubed protects him or not. Kita, if you feel certain you have a scum in your radar, tell cubed not to protect you and you'll be able to get your hit in, even if you die. If you're not as confident in your hit, I think cubed should keep protecting you. We still have deconduo's night kp tonight I believe, that's enough. I trust Kitaman enough to not have him announcing his hit before hand. It seems entirely possible that the mafia have a medic, which would slow us down quite a bit if they knew for sure who we were hitting. ^^@fishball: Rofl it's true dude, did you see me in team mini mafia? Can't read anyone... Anyway, I'm not going to take this seriously until you flip tonight :/
Haha, my post wasn't exactly implying to anything that you have on this game. I'm just saying in general. You have a good attitude though, and most importantly, you read, so over time you'll be fine, hopefully. Oh, I so fucking hate players that don't/can't read.
I'm just munching on lunch right now and felt like posting something.
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On January 18 2011 04:53 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm sorry Fishball, but the only other decent solution would be to lynch deconduo, and that won't help the town no matter the outcome, since we know for sure that he's not the traitor.
And there aren't people who would group on others (like Amber, that I suspect big time). Ace confirmed to me that kita took a hit, and it was obviously not from a townie (so either SK or scum).
Honestly, If I had 4KPs now, I would wipe out all the inactives. Don't even care what side they're on. It's against the game spirit no matter what side you're on. It's a GAME, you're supposed to PLAY it, not idle for 1 month and then go LOLOLOL I didn't do anything and the town NEVER SUSPECTED ME. /awesome.
But since town doesn't want to take down inactives, then we should go for the traitor, and you're the best target for that at the moment.
But please know that I still love you. <3 xoxo.
I only like Romanian girls, and their sarcastic humor.
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On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun. 
If Jimbo is Town aligned and is BP, he will have to bring this up for sure. (Proves someone is lying)
If Jimbo is not Town, he can just claim veteran to avoid conflict.
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On January 18 2011 06:43 aidnai wrote:
Yeah, I'm really hoping to hear from eiii and jimbo soon here...
Overall I'm disturbed by the lack of noise today. Kita, what do you think of beneather? should we have dedonduo hit him tonight?
fishball, you're right that jimbo could be scum. But in that case I really don't mind roleblocking him. I don't think we're going to target him with town KP tonight, so I'm not worried about protecting him.
I'm not specifically pointing fingers at anything here.
Since you said, "Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed".
I'm just pointing out the scenarios, like I always do. Believe or not, that's the way it has always been.
If you keep drawing to conclusions based on information people "provide" you with, you'll be easily deceived. Take it from a guy that is about to die.
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On January 18 2011 08:38 aidnai wrote:
Deconduo appears just to hammer? Something feels quite definitely wrong here...
Technically, the Romanian chick who <3 me is the hammer.
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On January 18 2011 08:44 CubEdIn wrote:I'm not a chick. I just like the way you post. You seem very pro-town, just like BC. ...but then again, as an experienced mafia player, I would expect you to post as such if you are red. So you see... even though there's much much love, we can't risk losing another lynch. Heck, if you can convince everyone to vote for me, I'll switch my vote to myself, lol. 
I know you're not a chick...
Romania!
Aw, you made my day by saying that I seem pro-town.
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I’ve had this post prepared, and have been waiting for the inevitable moment for quite a while now.
It’s not exactly a secret that I am the Traitor. Even an amoeba can figure that out by now. The moment a player brought up that he did not receive the Traitor role, and his claim was proven by his death, in all likely hood, there can only be one ending that awaits me. I’ll leave my comments and motives for pre-game. As for this post, my last post, there are a few things I want to point out. This is merely a logical explanation from my point of view, and I will be leaving out most of the subjective game details and events due to obvious reasons; If I said Ace is not Mafia in a game where I flipped Mafia, who would believe me? It would just be more a of a WIFOM.
The Mafia obviously know each other, and know who isn’t one of their own. The only thing that Mafia does not know, is among these players, who are the Serial Killers. Lynches can be persuaded and convinced, but SK KP on the other hand is a lot more difficult. Any logical player will tell you that finding and hunting for the SK will be one of Mafia’s primary goal in this game. Also, keep in mind that the SK cannot be killed by conventional means, due to their nature of being bulletproof. There are only 4 possible ways for the SK to die in this game.
- Hit by Day Vigilante
- Taken a hit while being Roleblocked
- Lynched
- Taken a hit by another SK
The most convenient way, would of course be lynching the SK, for a couple reasons. It builds credit to the person who pushed for the SK lynch, and it eliminates the chances that a fellow teammate (if you are Mafia) to be lynched as there is only one lynch.
Now although the above is mainly presented from a Mafia standpoint, this does not mean it does not apply to other parties at all. It’s already proven that we have multiple SK’s in this game. From the core, SK’s only play for themselves and can only win if they are the last man standing. They will have to kill each other, and they can since their hits go through BP. They cannot win with each other and this has been confirmed by Ace.
The most dangerous threat to a SK, is the lynch. They cannot be taken out by conventional night hits, and their alignment check comes up as innocent. They only start as one, with Mafia starting at 5, and the possibility of ending up as 6 by recruiting the Traitor. They need KP assistance from the Mafia to trim down the count of Town, but they also need to keep Mafia’s # count in check. First thing, it doesn’t hurt Mafia’s 1 KP with their members dying (unless all of them die). Secondly, it lowers the Mafia's influence in lynch votes, which is the most critical portion. If SK’s want to win, this is what they must do.
What matters to Town, is to eliminate all onslaught sources from the SK’s and Mafia. I already said this once. Killing a SK is an instant -1 KP. Killing a Mafia however, overall KP remains the same. It’s pretty obvious what benefits the Town more in both short and long term gains. I decided not to reply when BC argued against my logic, because if I argue, it would basically mean that I am admitting Traitor and am admitting defeat. Even though my lynch was 99.99% imminent, I decided to play that 0.01% to the end. I only decided to post this when my death is confirmed so I can get my point through.
If it ever came down to Town vs SK at the end, Town should be looking for players who fits into those subtle traits I mentioned above. There are already a few players I can name that falls into that category. Like I've said and repeated many times before, it is in the SK's best interest to blend in with Town. Acting "pro-town" now, does not mean they are Town. Finding a SK, does not necessarily mean they are Town. Finding Mafia, does not necessarily mean they are Town. I know it is impossible for every "pro-town" player to be the SK, but this is a fine line to walk; It would be up to the remaining players at the time to figure it out. This is Pick Your Power Mafia. One thing I know for sure, is that the SK will strike when the time is right, and if Town is not prepared, this could end very badly.
GG
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You guys are all SK.
I'm the good guy.
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On January 21 2011 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 04:12 zeks wrote:
ahh BC so good.
we were too overconfident in our ability to lynch you later shoulda just shot me.
I already told you no one in their right mind would shoot you, given the situation.
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On January 21 2011 12:14 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2011 11:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 21 2011 11:33 Kenpachi wrote:woah 1 died Deconduo must have hit beneather or the SK. ##vote deconduo pretty clear sk hit beneather. Mafia hit can't kill the bulletproof i said deconduo hit beneather or the SK. not deconduo or SK hit beneather >_>
Just like all game, you make zero sense whatsoever.
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I did not want to play this game at first, but when BC joined, I also decided to sign up last moment. I gave myself two choices at that point.
1. Get Day Vigilante and kill BC the instant the game starts.
2. Destroy LSB's plan.
Getting Day Vigilante requires a very high draft. 6th wasn't high enough, plus I thought it would be a bit too lame even if I was able to pull the assassination off. It would be funny regardless. Obviously, I went with the latter.
There are a few reasons why I wanted to choose Traitor
- I do not have to deal with Town.
- It makes things more interesting, and gives me extra motivation to screw with LSB's grand plan.
- Since I knew I was town at that point, and I wasn't planning to kill BC anymore, it was quite convenient to take the off chance that he might be Mafia. If we were able to team up, that could be fun.
My early exposure, and LoR's accusation was enough to get me recruited Night 1. Mafia had solid hits early on, and everything seemed to go well. However, that quickly changed. I ranted on deconduo's decision to claim SK, but it was understandable based on bumatlarge's accusation to tell players with top drafts to type "Kill: Player". I thought the overall scenario was just too extreme, but there was no turning back at that point.
A cycle later, deconduo decides to claim to town that he in fact hit me that Night. This was a key turning point for me; I knew things would start to go downhill from here and I was really upset with the move. Basically deconduo, while his "SK claim" validity has already been briefly brought up, confirmed contact with the biggest Traitor candidate, me, where I did not die. This will raise eyebrows no matter how you look at it, and left me limited options to work with. Should I say the hit never happened? Should I claim Veteran? Can't claim RB since a SK hit would go through. Should I say another Medic protected me? Which is likely since I claimed not following the plan. Bah, It didn't matter. I was bound to die. The moment I die, deconduo's claim would be void. When my lynch was confirmed, I made that last post as a last ditch effort, to help the "team"; To create a diversion on the SK(s), to plant distrust, no matter how minor it was. The effect was minimal - "Town" doesn't know how to read.
On Night 5, I warned bumatlarge and HaploPaithan not to hit JimboSilvers, as he was one of our main SK candidates. At that point, Mafia needed all the kills they can get in order to achieve/avoid Majority. JimboSilvers was hit anyways. Regardless, it didn't matter as bumatlarge and Pigsquirrel were killed, and the game was officially over for Mafia at that point.
Ace already commented on Mafia's overall play, so lets just leave it at that.
When Mafia was all but gone, I was rooting for the SK. Besides BC, no one in "Town" deserved a win. No one. Some of these players shouldn't even have played the game in the first place.
I should also add that Ace has a (lame lol?) sense of humor. Both me and BC joined the game with the intention of destroying LSB's plan. Neither of us turned out to be Mafia/SK, and LSB, the person who promoted a "pro-Town" plan flipped SK.
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On January 23 2011 01:04 bumatlarge wrote:To jimbo, you my good sir deserve a... + Show Spoiler +Your vet claim fucked me over, It did. I wasted 2 hits on you thinking you were town vet, when you were really an imbalanced politician. I look forward to playing in PYP4 again. But then you might have to deal with my insane townie powers!
This is what I said earlier in the game after someone claimed BP, and JimboSilvers took a hit
On January 18 2011 06:03 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2011 05:55 aidnai wrote:Hmm... Assuming Jimbo claims vet, then he's a decent alternate medic target for cubed. I'm kinda hoping he claims bullet proof though, that'd be way more fun. If Jimbo is Town aligned and is BP, he will have to bring this up for sure. (Proves someone is lying) If Jimbo is not Town, he can just claim veteran to avoid conflict.
I didn't think you would buy what he said...
On January 23 2011 02:09 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2011 19:22 Fishball wrote:
I did not want to play this game at first, but when BC joined, I also decided to sign up last moment. I gave myself two choices at that point.
1. Get Day Vigilante and kill BC the instant the game starts.
2. Destroy LSB's plan.
Getting Day Vigilante requires a very high draft. 6th wasn't high enough, plus I thought it would be a bit too lame even if I was able to pull the assassination off. It would be funny regardless. Obviously, I went with the latter.
How is 6 way too low for Day Vigi? It hasn't gone even close to that high in any game so far (18 in PYP3, 15 in PYP2, and 13 in PYP1).
You are very right. I had my train of thoughts mixed up there. It was like 3 am when I made that post
There was actually a 3rd role I was considering, which is just "Vigilante". I didn't want to take Day Vigilante, kill BC, and sit on my ass for the rest of the game while taking criticism for sure regardless of what BC flips. So I considered taking Vigilante and just do my own thing, or take Traitor. Vigilante is what I actually meant when I said that my draft pick was too low to obtain.
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On January 23 2011 02:41 CubEdIn wrote:
Nah, Decon left CRP to another mafia that the town couldn't find.
He probably realized that he couldn't "play along" with town if he picked CPR, and it was an important role so the mafia directed it towards someone else.
That being said, if I haven't had protected kita twice, game would have ended sooner for town, so I can assume that my play was pretty much the best it could be. ^__^
(and by play I mean targets during the night)
If your intention of protecting kitaman27 was to stop him from hitting BC, then yes it would be a good play. However, that really isn't the case, lol.
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On January 23 2011 08:21 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I have not read anything but I will say this.
Suck it fishball.
You mad?
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Allow two Traitors next game.
Madness solved.
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Mafia had 4 main suspects for SK's the entire game. kitaman27, LSB, BloodyC0bbler, and JimboSilvers.
We, or me specifically, never made a direct case against LSB. Besides calling his plan dumb, to which I enjoyed every single opportunity to do so, it was mainly beating around the bush.
As soon as BC made his move on LSB, I couldn't help but be the first one to jump on the wagon and get a free ride.
On a side note, I've restored my faith in humanity after seeing many of you agreed that it was a bad move for deconduo to claim SK. I felt so alienated when I was the only one to oppose that move.
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