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On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote:
Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote:
i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies
I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote:
To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote:
aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote:
This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote:
I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles
Deconduo- CC
Kenpachi- Some Mafia role
Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc
Mafia Member 2- JOAT
You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant.
For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here.
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On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 11:57 Fishball wrote:On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote:
Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote:
i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section: + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote:
To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote:
aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote:
This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote:
I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles
Deconduo- CC
Kenpachi- Some Mafia role
Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc
Mafia Member 2- JOAT You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant. For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here. Although you try to ignore my reasonig, you dance around the fundamental issue. The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed KenpachiNot only do you ignore this, you ignore my three other points. Not all information is usefull. However something such as a traitor not recieving his role is increadible usefull. Speaking of which Deconduo is CC Kenpachi is Godfather Kitaman is Vig Baunder and Jackel58 are dead CubEdIn is Medic Amber[Light] is roleblocker That leaves you as traitor. I'm actually flattered that you are trying to eliminate me with reasoning, however flawed
Haha, how furious. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
I would have never brought this up in the first place, if it wasn't for you and your "selective reading", and calling BC's post stating "random lies". Also, I never said I want you dead nor asked people to lynch you. All that I've stated is fair speculation; You can't deny anything that I've brought up. How proud and naive. Your exact problem before this game even started.
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On January 14 2011 13:55 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 11:57 Fishball wrote:On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote:
Anyways, to summarize what I'm trying to say, is that BC has been on my list since the beginning, and still is. However, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as I do agree with a lot of the stuff he has said about LSB. It moreso caught my eye when BC pointed out how LSB did not follow his own plan.
On January 14 2011 10:51 zeks wrote:
i'd prefer we narrow down the traitor list ... but if we had to choose between LSB / BC i'd choose LSB for orchestrating this whole fiasco and now pretty much all our roles are fished out. And the fact that he tried to get us all to buy into the plan and he didnt buy into his own plan. I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan? BC is just stating random lies I hope this is not selective reading on your part, as it would just make people focus on you more. I'm talking about this section: + Show Spoiler +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. On January 10 2011 13:56 LSB wrote:
To be more specific. If roles 2,3,4,5,7,18,20 followed the plan and did not get their role, please claim. On January 11 2011 12:36 LSB wrote:
Jackal58 should be the copycat.
But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. On January 12 2011 04:53 LSB wrote:
aidnai. Can you please roleclaim? On January 12 2011 08:54 aidnai wrote:about your night plan LSB, barundar's verification is subject to being checked by a role cop, fishball's is subject to having a tracker play along with us. Zeks already said he's not going with your plan, so there's a good chance we don't have a tracker. Eiii did agree to pick rolecop, but he hasn't mentioned if he got it or if he'll check barundar. If we don't get these checks, that leaves a lot of wiggle room for scum. Also Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 13:30 LSB wrote:
If you were assigned a red role and did no recieve it. Please Claim
In addition, if you picked traitor and did not recieve it, please claim. You the godfather LSB? On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role. On January 12 2011 09:09 LSB wrote:Are you bulletproof? On January 13 2011 13:34 LSB wrote:
This is an important question. HaploPaithan, are you the doctor? On January 13 2011 13:50 LSB wrote:
Kenpachi Claimed that he wasn't the CC.
I'd rather wait for HaploPaithan's claim. My position on who to lynch will be determined on this. On January 13 2011 13:58 LSB wrote:
I don't think Kita is the CC.
If I had to pick the mafia team and their roles
Deconduo- CC
Kenpachi- Some Mafia role
Mafia Member 1- CPR Doc
Mafia Member 2- JOAT You can argue that having people come fourth with their results if they did not receive their intended roles, was not "part of your original plan", but that is just playing with words, and you know what I'm getting at. Your draft was only questioned when Kenpachi claimed GF. You say you've already explained that you have legitimate reasons to not announce that you did not receive the GF, but yet you still push for the results from others. What makes you think they don't have legitimate reasons? What makes you think others should share said information, but not you? No, I'm not saying whether it was right or wrong to question others. All I'm saying is, everything is relevant. For all that matters, we don't know if you had drafted GF or not, and you have no way to prove it unless a Role Cop (if we have one) checks you and comes fourth with the result; That, or you die and flip. There are plenty of room to play mind games here. Although you try to ignore my reasonig, you dance around the fundamental issue. The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed KenpachiNot only do you ignore this, you ignore my three other points. Not all information is usefull. However something such as a traitor not recieving his role is increadible usefull. Speaking of which Deconduo is CC Kenpachi is Godfather Kitaman is Vig Baunder and Jackel58 are dead CubEdIn is Medic Amber[Light] is roleblocker That leaves you as traitor. I'm actually flattered that you are trying to eliminate me with reasoning, however flawed Haha, how furious. Somehow, I'm not surprised. I would have never brought this up in the first place, if it wasn't for you and your "selective reading", and calling BC's post stating "random lies". Also, I never said I want you dead nor asked people to lynch you. All that I've stated is fair speculation; You can't deny anything that I've brought up. How proud and naive. Your exact problem before this game even started.
Oh, and just to add, you claiming you didn't get GF, and Kenpachi claiming he got GF, does not confirm anything. Think again, think slowly.
It makes the scenario likely, but it doesn't confirm.
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On January 14 2011 14:15 LSB wrote:
I think this senario could be a lot clearer after finding out your intentions
Vote Fishball
As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely.
Hey, vote for me all you want. I've made it clear that all I'm saying is fair speculation. I don't care whether you're town/sk/mafia, no one can disagree with what I just said. I agree with your claim of the "most likely" scenario, but you cannot use the word "confirm" and use it as a triumph card in an argument.
If you check my posts, even in other games, I'm always very careful with my wording. I try to consider every scenario, no matter how low the possibility, as long as it's possible. If you can't even get your facts straight, you're convincing nobody, just like your plan.
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On January 14 2011 14:30 kitaman27 wrote:Fishball rather than arguing about semantics, since you are the only one in the top 8 not to claim, why not join the party? Might shed some light on the traitor situation. Your reasoning for ignoring the traitor is out of date as the majority of suspects are either dead or have the ability to prove their role. Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 14:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 14 2011 14:15 LSB wrote:
I think this senario could be a lot clearer after finding out your intentions
Vote Fishball
As for Kenpachi not being godfather, that would mean someone above BC is the godfather, and when I look at the role list it seems unlikely. If kenpachi isn't the GF (how the hell isn't he? did he just claim ANOTHER ROLE), that would mean someone between #3 and #12 is the gf. at 13 I aimed for it and didn't get it. I honestly don't get you people. ##vote LSB You are just way to scummy right now not to vote for. LSB is addressing Fishball with that post. He isn't saying kenpachi isn't the godfather.
The latest comment I have on the Traitor situation is this:
On January 14 2011 05:00 Fishball wrote:
So are we trying to pin Mafia for this lynch, or are we going for the Traitor? I've already mentioned why we shouldn't focus on finding the Traitor a couple days ago, but with me being a candidate as well, my credibility is shot. Hopefully you guys can choose the best course of action.
As you can see, it was just a reminder of something that was brought up before, some advice based on first hand experience. I never denied the fact that I am a candidate, and I even pointed out my low credibility by due to that reason. I'm not stopping anyone to go Traitor hunting. Hell, even LSB said he didn't want to hunt for the Traitor at first, and now look at him. Fast and Furious.
Why would you want me to claim? Just to "join in the party", and "shed some light regarding the Traitor"? In short, no, I won't be claiming. We already have enough claims. With all Mafia, and possibly multiple SK's on the loose, I shouldn't even need to explain why. Claiming also opposes the original reason why I objected LSB's draft plan in the first place.
No, I don't want to die, but if anyone thinks I'm by far the scummiest player, compared to everything else that we have on our plate, or whatever reason so dire that I have to be killed, feel free to vote me off.
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On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:
And if you guys actually listened to what I wrote in XXXV the game would have turned out incredibly different.
So full of yourself. The first step of a plan is to convince people that your plan will work. When your plan convinces nobody, it has already failed. There are no "If's".
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:
The reason why you don't see me as much is because the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan. Annul tunneling me in XXXV, me getting nightkilled in XXX. Now Fishball (and possibly you) in PYP3
I think you got your scenario wrong, probably blinded by rage. It was BC who made a full case on you. I only said I shared the same views on some of the stuff he wrote. If you hadn't made this reply, + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 11:10 LSB wrote:
I drafted godfather. What do you mean I didn't buy into/follow the plan?
BC is just stating random lies On January 14 2011 13:41 LSB wrote:
The fact that I stayed silent was better for the town because It confirmed Kenpachi
On January 15 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:
the mafia makes it a point to kill me so I can't lead the plan.
lol? What "plan"?
Funny thing is, there wasn't once I exactly pinned you as scum. I even somewhat "defended" you here. + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2011 09:49 Fishball wrote:
To be honest, I think LSB is just butt-fook stubborn and naive, and honestly believes his plan would work if done "right". Regardless of the workability of his plan, it requires the vast majority of players to follow it. This is not a single player game where you can just control everything and tell everyone what to do. It just doesn't work that way. There are SK(s), there are players that want to be Traitor, there are Mafia. That's already good chunk of the player pool with different agendas.
On January 12 2011 15:55 Fishball wrote:
# LSB
Leader wannabe. Forced his plan really hard, despite opposing voices during pre-game from numerous players. For the most part, LSB's thought process has been logical, but not without flaws. On a scale of 10, 1 is Town aligned and 10 is Mafia aligned, I would put him at a 4 for now.
Now all of a sudden, I'm the primary evil being trying to get rid of you. You disregard everything else and vote for me, even wanted the SK to hit me. I know I use harsh words, but this is just gold. My original opinion towards you is definitely changing.
Once again, for everyone else, I'll quote myself here.
On January 14 2011 15:06 Fishball wrote:
No, I don't want to die, but if anyone thinks I'm by far the scummiest player, compared to everything else that we have on our plate, or whatever reason so dire that I have to be killed, feel free to vote me off.
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On January 15 2011 09:20 LSB wrote:
I was going to win with you Deconduo!
Should have remembered, once a backstabber, always a backstaber...
I actually felt sorry for you, as I didn't even vote for the kill from deconduo's poll.
The results weren't surprising. It actually worked out great! Everything makes perfect sense now.
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On January 15 2011 09:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:
wtf i didn't think this would happen...
Sure you haven't.
Kill Fishball, all the way. LSB is has to be right. My explanation has to be shit.
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On January 15 2011 09:27 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +Day Vigilante - During the day you may type Kill: Player in the thread. That player is going to die and the day goes on. You can only shoot once. According to the role, it looks like we will not receive confirmation that the kill went through until night. That means we have to trust that LSB will die. There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that Fishball is the traitor, however his behavior in thread has been surprisingly...not insane. Since LSB wants him dead, can we wait and see how LSB flips before killing him? I suspect LSB will flip town and we can vig fishball tonight. I want to lynch deconduo. Whether or not he lied about being day vig, whether or not he 'helped' us by shooting LSB, he is not town and he has KP. Even if we could without a doubt control his KP, town showed today it doesn't have time or organization to handle the extra KP. Therefore I'm not changing my vote. Now that LSB is most likely going to die anyway, I think we can afford to wait on BC since we'll be reducing KP by lynching Deconduo. Bottom line: lynch Deconduo, reduce non-town KP. It's a definite step in the right direction.
Um... you are late.
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#vote Abstain for now.
I'm willing to let Deconduo live for now, as he did do Town a favor, and he didn't lie about the Day Vig role.
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On January 15 2011 09:57 Kenpachi wrote:Hey look. 2 Cereals  There is possibly a third. Im Godfather and they are not. ##vote FishballI dont understand.. Why would you fake a counterclaim???
What are YOU talking about?
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On January 15 2011 09:51 deconduo wrote:
I want to lynch fishball today, and then I will shoot BC tonight.
I just abstained my vote, and you want to kill me.
What? Do you understand your position?
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On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:
Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore
So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore.
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On January 15 2011 10:08 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:04 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 10:01 Kenpachi wrote:
Deconduo, dont worry you will not die. YOu have my word on that. Fishball is BSing hardcore So first, you spit out gibberish that I have no clue what you're talking about, and now you're saying I'm BS. Back it up, or you're the one BS'ing hardcore. Okay so what led you to "roleclaim" to the public?
???
When the !@#$ did I role claim to the public?
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On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote:
oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did..
?????
Ok, I'm lost.
Let's just assume we did claim our roles. Then???
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On January 15 2011 10:25 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:24 Fishball wrote:On January 15 2011 10:14 Kenpachi wrote:
oh you didnt? i just skimmed the last 5 pages and got the assumption you and BC did.. ????? Ok, I'm lost. Let's just assume we did claim our roles. Then??? Well, if you claimed GF, theres a clear problem..
So let me get this straight.
You skimmed through the last 5 pages, then assumed that me and BC claimed our roles, and thought that I had claimed GF, and proceeded to accuse me of BS'ing and vote for me.
Ok. I don't think anyone else can top this.
You do realize that people don't know about your alignment, and the only reason why people are refraining from lynching you off, is due to your retaliation ability.
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On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining.
And why? You and LSB have been so similar in a lot of places. You asked for my role, which I refuse to give. Then you became one of the first few to push for my lynch. Now LSB, is gone, you're still pushing hard. You act awfully like an SK.
Do you really want to know my role? Are you that afraid to hit me at Night?
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On January 15 2011 10:39 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok fine BC. If you guys think we can get the lynch shifted, I'm ok with that.
My guess is that we won't though, and we'll miss a lynch.
##vote Fishball
I like how I grabbed all the attention, and your love relationship between deconduo magically dissapeared.
Vote Fishball, always the easy way out!
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On January 15 2011 10:41 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2011 10:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 15 2011 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is everyone so satisfied with no lynch? Scum should be more afraid of dec since their kp can't hurt him.
EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR FISHBALL
BC are you seriously going to bring up bum 30 minutes before the lynch? Why isn't your vote on traitor suspect.
Cube, if you want to clear yourself as traitor then I want your vote on fishball.
To those who are abstaining or voting for useless candidates, I will be hitting one of you with my kp if you decide to ignore the lynch. aka (cube, aidnai, Beneather , haplo, pig)
There are 30 minutes remaining. Simple, Fish is smarter to keep around atm, decon is potentially helping us. As for bum, placing a vote to see if hes alive and around isn't bad, it saves me from being modkilled. I will however change my vote to whoever is most likely to die. IE be the hammer vote. There are two remaining traitor candidates, fish or cube. The fact that they won't vote against each other may mean they are both scum. I'm not sure how keeping fish around at the moment is the smarter choice. If we eliminate one, there is a 50% chance he is scum (probably more than that). If not then we have a 100% chance to kill cube at night. Seems to me you don't want to commit. Why hammer vote when you can vote now? Listen to fish, he is calling me a SK. Cmon now.
And almost no one listened when BC call LSB scum, when he turned out to be SK. I'm calling you SK, so?
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On January 15 2011 10:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm a vig. I'm not cleared but look at the situation. I'm pushing for a lynch while fish sits back and abstains. If he knows he isn't the traitor than surely he would be pushing the lynch on someone who does.
I hate to say this, but how hard headed are you?
Look at the list. What other options do I have? I won't vote myself, I decided to not vote for deconduo. So ok, I try to go for the Traitor. What options do I have?
Kenpachi
kitaman27
Amber[Light]
CubEdIn
None of you are exactly voted for, and basically I would have to build an entire case against one of you, and hope that the remaining Town will somehow magically listen to me, and swap votes within 30 minutes. I already frowned upon the "last minute train" when aidnai pulled this. Basically you're telling me to eat my own words. More importantly, I don't know who is the Traitor, and I've said many times, I'm not focused on the Traitor. If I were forced to choose and go for a Traitor lynch, I would have picked CubEdIn due to all that incoherent fuss earlier, but like I said, none of you are viable candidates anymore given the time frame. So what's wrong with abstaining?
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