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Hi LSB!
I am definitely in favor of pressuring SouthRawrea to talk, I don't like how he has been so quiet. And, as KJ said, it sucks having someone now participate in a game where you need majority lynch.
##vote SouthRawrea
Will town learn anything from the lynch though? We will learn his role, that's for sure, which could give us some insight on what is happening in this game. At the very least though, I would like to move the game forward, being stuck on Day 1 is like watching the movie Groundhog Day...
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Hmmm...so it ended before majority vote.
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On December 02 2010 13:46 kingjames01 wrote:
Coagulation, we have an issue of whether or not we can trust the DT checks. Based on the clues, there should be two DTS - "one tells the truth and the other lies."
We should try to establish the truthfulness of your and Barundar's checks. By the way, your role is pretty insane... =)
As has been suggested previously, if you both check the same person then we can try to establish which of you is the liar and which is not.
This isn't exactly necessary. All we would need is for someone to volunteer to be lynched, and have one DT check him. This would very quickly show the sanity of the DT that checked the lynchee. The thing is, this would take up the place of a possible mafia lynch.
I am willing to volunteer myself to be the DT fodder. I have the spirit residing within me, so if I am lynched, I will not completely die. I will still be able to share my thoughts with you guys once I pass.
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On December 02 2010 16:08 Barundar wrote:
what will stop jcarlsoniv from turning red when he dies?
I won't. My role isn't too special. I will still be able to talk to you guys, but I will be limited in how much per cycle period.
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On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
One strikes with the hammer the other with an axe.
One strikes back, the other strikes early
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn
Alright, well if deconduo is the axe, he is striking early. He is able to end the day early with his lynch.
Which means the hammer strikes back. So a revenge role? Maybe if a mafia gets lynched, the hammer can kill someone right then?
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These two concepts are related but not identical. I don't completely understand the phrase strikes back. It makes me think of retaliation. Maybe the person who almost cast the last vote yesterday was actually mafia and would have been killed by the hammer.
OH that makes a lot of sense. And who was the last person to vote aidnai? It looks like Node. But Node voted after Dr.H said "and it almost struck evil" so I'm not so sure.
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On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student  Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore.  I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p
If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch.
When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason.
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On December 03 2010 11:16 Node wrote:
Jcarlson, your role is unable to do anything until you have died, correct?
That is correct.
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On December 03 2010 12:50 kingjames01 wrote:
I used to get excited waiting for the Day/Night posts... F5ing over and over until they appeared... Then I joined Sengoku.
I lol'd
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On December 03 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day Two Orgolove was found with gunshot wounds to the chest and shoulders in the parking lot of the mall. No one else died that night. As the ambulance took him away, Orgolove got up and walked out the back of the speeding vehicle. After tumbling a great distance he got up and began walking the streets as an undead. The next day has begun.
Interesting. So it seems that Orgo was the zombie. I wonder what he will be able to do as a zombie.
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On December 03 2010 13:51 ghrur wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 09:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 08:12 ghrur wrote:On December 03 2010 03:52 kingjames01 wrote:On December 03 2010 03:15 Barundar wrote:As for town night actions we can discuss other targets, but how can they be of use if we don’t know if my scan can be trusted? Fun fact: My ability gives me a read on both the target and people visiting him. So if I target someone who gets sniped I get a read on the mafia, and no matter the returned alignment will be able to point him out. Good reason to scan likely targets. As for surviving, I place my faith in a pharmacology student Okay, this is a good ability for us to build our scum-hunt around. I'm voicing my support for the plan whereby Barundar checks someone of his choice, (keep your target a secret for now Barundar) and announces his findings in the morning. Of course our conversation is public so mafia will try their best to ruin it. What we need is for a Pharmacist to prescribe some medicine to Barundar or whatever it is that you do to keep him safe until the morning. Coagulation is our other DT. We know that one of our DTs tells the truth, the other one lies. Since Coagulation's results are PM'd out randomly, I suspect that he is the one who will have trustworthy results. I'd like for him to be safe as well. There is no real way of ensuring this or coordinating the actions of the Pharmacists though without them claiming. Obviously, Pharmacists should not claim until they absolutely have to. Everyone else, as enlightening as it is, stop with the role-claiming unless you are forced to do so or have a very good reason. Each time someone claims, we have one less place to hide our Pharmacists. I think you guys are relying way to much on pharmacists. So we know they exist, but do we know how many? 1? Maybe 2? I mean, it's a 15 person game, it isn't that big. If Mafia has 2 KPs and aims for both Coag and Barundar, I'm thinking we just lost 1 DT night one. The thing is... why did you guys claim night 1? >_< And Fishball, making Decond would be WAYYYYY to OP to mafia. There are already 3 members, if they only need 4 to lynch every other day, then they can basically screw town over every other day. No way Decond's mafia if his roleclaim is true. Anyway, I feel like we should be scum hunting, but i'm not so sure about my suspects anymore. I say there's no way Decond's mafia. jcarlsoniv, idk, he seems uncharacteristically held back for someone who basically can't die, but on the other hand, there's no way mafia would volunteer to lynch themselves (WIFOM not included in the argument). I'm just keeping a watch on Aidnai right now. =/ I have another thought; I guess I'll wait until morning to make an accusation if anything. :p If you have doubts about my alignment, then your worries will be satisfied assuming everything works out with the checks/lynch. When day rolls around, I ask everyone to hold off voting for me until we have our information from our DT. If something bad happens with the checks, I don't want to be killed off for no reason. Nah, I have hardly any doubts on you right now. Your defense was adequate, your volunteering for lynch is uncharacteristic of mafia, I'm just stupid. xP
I mean, as I said, if a DT checked me, and you guys want to lynch me, that will tell you if he's sane or not. If you trust I'm town, you can take my word for it, but if you don't completely trust me, then lynch me, although I will be limited in my posts if you do that.
But let's see what kind of information pops up before we do that.
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On December 03 2010 20:04 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 23:25 Fishball wrote:
Have you ever thought if he is Mafia, he can rightfully end the vote early every other cycle, when he deems so, without "drawing suspicion".
Just throwing it out there and stirring it up. This quote is significant because it is the only post i was able to find in which Fishball offered an idea that was relevant to the game. Unfortunately, his idea is that deconduo's axe role could be red, which would OBVIOUSLY be OP for mafia...basically, they would decide the lynch every other day. http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Executioner Show nested quote +The Executioner may be either town or mafia, but is traditionally a mafia role. Fishball does look like the best lynch candidate though.
Also, Doc said at the beginning of the game that it wasn't necessarily balanced because we are his guinea pigs for his ideas. He said that he is rooting for the mafia, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility.
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On December 03 2010 22:45 Coagulation wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 17:52 Barundar wrote:Barundar: can you clarify your statement about Coagulation? Do you mean that Coagulation's role is Green or that your check came back positive for the Town? Both. Green and town. I would rather not have to quote the PM out of my fear of gods. Also I got pharma protected last night. You guys are teh best <3. I didn't eat my pills though, so you can protect someone else next night. ok orgolove i know your town now i just wanted to point out that im also confirmed town before i say this. please think very carefully about pushing a bandwagon on fishball. If he is town then he will be the easiest lynch to pull off for mafia based on his behavior. It is extremely likely that they hit you because they feared both meds DTs would be protected due to roleclaims and they had no better snipe options they seen fishball is highly suspected/incriminated town player in game and then hit the person who campaigned against him the hardest. they get to deliver a lynch + chance to snipe medic. Coag, you may be confirmed town, but you came up green, not blue. If you're green, wouldn't you be roleless, and thus not the DT? do not make this easy on them.
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On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried.
Your power may be activated upon lynch, mine is just activated upon my death, no matter the cause. My role isn't very special, so if I can avoid dying for no cause, I would like that. I asked for people to hold off voting for me until a DT check comes back because I was afraid people would just start voting me when day started before we had any information. I don't want to die, but if it will verify a DT, I am more than willing to do so.
P.S. A role that is activated upon lynch only sounds not friendly for town.
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On December 04 2010 00:55 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:52 deconduo wrote:
Fishball should say who the person is, so coag can verify. Fishball could easily be faking. Very risky, remeber, they probably checked a doctor. And fishball is very certantly not lieing I'd rather it go, Fishball reveals the role. Coag Decides whether or not to flip who it is.
I like this idea. It will let us utilize our information.
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K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.
##vote Fishball
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On December 04 2010 05:17 Fishball wrote:Alright, time for some action. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:42 Coagulation wrote:
im telling you hes gonna be converted to mafia if hes lynched. i was on to him 6 pages back. @ Coagulation - No, I will not be converted, I will not come back to life, I will die. Let me word it this way. If I get lynched, and I am still alive, feel free to kill me again. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K, Fishball, even if you are town, you are not acting remotely in any way to help town at all. You need to go.
##vote Fishball @ jcarlsoniv - This cannot get more typical. Out of all reasons, you choose "you're not helping town, you have to die". We've seen this a million times, where Mafia tries to soft play and blend in with their vote, killing an innocent while wasting the Town's lynch. Also, you haven't even replied to the contradiction of your claim to mine at all. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:11 Aeres wrote:
After reading Orgolove's post, I'm inclined to agree that Fishball is definitely acting unusually. Perhaps it's not conclusive evidence yet, but this inconsistency with Jcarlsoniv and Fishball is of too much import to ignore. That, and Fishball's not acting in the interest of town, which is a red flag right there. I'm going to vote for him, until/unless future events cause me to rethink this.
@ Aeres - Think of it. If I weren't in the interest of town, why would I reveal two pieces of crucial information? That I know who Coagulation checked and the role of said player, and pointing out jcarlsoniv's role is contradicting with mine? Why would I want to draw more myself further more into the middle of attention? If I die and flip Mafia, everything I say can be disregarded. Why would I want to put myself in such position and waste my own effort, and get myself killed in the process? Think about it. With that being said, keep your vote on me. Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 01:32 Barundar wrote:
Noone else has commented on it, but Coagulation confirmed it could be the case:
Me and SouthRawrea (psychic) have the ability to check alignment. We therefore are the 2 with the “third eye”
Coagulation have the ability to check roles. He get his answers from the heavens. Therefore probably the preacher.
It was your post that made me think of this possibility, after I have been mistrusting Coagulation all day. @ Barundar - Coagulation is NOT the preacher. I am. I will not further reveal my role, but I'm 99.99% sure I am the preacher. I'll admit I'm guilty of not reading much of DH's posts since the game started, in fact, I haven't read much of the thread at all until Day 2 started, due to my little personal experiment (which worked), and slack. This is one of DH's comment: Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im annoyed by how far off everyone is with these hammer clues, damn Which means everyone so far was off with his clues regarding the Hammer. Now time for my turn. The Hammer is the person who voted last during a lynch, the person who activated the kill. This is what DH said: " A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " Basically, it means there are 4 players that have their roles tied with the lynch. Now I have two different understandings regarding this statement. 1. Among these 4 players, some benefits from the hammer, some don't. 2. Among these 4 players, some can be the hammer (as in voting last), some can't. Why do I say that? Because my role description prohibits me from being the hammer, or I will be mod-killed. (Oh I just revealed more of my role!) I think it's likely #2. It would be hard to benefit if you are lynched and dead. Yes, a player might have certain abilities that occurs upon being lynched, but that doesn't really benefit the player in any way, since he is dead. He can't play anymore. The term "fear" and "love" is also hard to apply in this case. If it were #2, everything would make sense. Certain players have to be the hammer every time, and some can never be the hammer, like me. I suggest everyone to closely observe the voting patterns from here on. Even if the town figure who these 4 players are, we'll still need to figure out the alignment from these players. --- Here are my top suspects for now. 1. jcarlsoniv - Instant kill if I were a vigilante. 2. Orgolove - He can very well be a naive Townie, but coming from my perspective, he is trying too hard, way too hard. I also don't like the idea of the Zombie role coming back to life. Let me ask you people something. What do Zombies eat? Brains. Who has Brains? The other players. Regarding the rest of the players, it's just quite hard and too many to get a read right now. Hell I haven't even been tracking the lurkers. Barundar/Coagulation - Now regarding the quote "Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies", we don't know if DH means sane/insane, or deliberately lying from the players. Let's assume Barundar and SR (who is dead) are the two men with a third eye, we still can't throw out the fact that we can't put Barundar in the clear just yet. If it is Barundar and Coagulation that has the third eye, same scenario applies. I'm not exactly pointing fingers at anyone here, but certain players can't just ignore certain facts and make a conclusion. deconduo - I don't know. He claims he is the Axe and have ended the Day early. Everything makes sense, but something just doesn't add up with the Hammer thing. I'll have to think about it more later.
Lol, so you're the spirit AND the preacher? Dude, come on.
I am not trying to veil myself into the town because I am in the town, I don't need to pretend. You are honestly being so anti-town right now, you can't even pretend you're not. How are we supposed to work with you if you give us nothing to work with.
And I did respond to your suspicions that my role contradicts yours:
On December 04 2010 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 00:02 Fishball wrote:On December 03 2010 21:09 Coagulation wrote:
fishball you need to cut the godamn shenanigans and start helping town. No I hate you all, and I'm achieving what I want to achieve so I'm happy with that. But remember I said I have two things to announce? Since more people have spoken up, here it is. 1. I got a PM from DH; Someone "whispered me" another players role. This matches Coagulation's claim. Yes, there is a possibility that this could be a Mafia role and he can plant false messages, but to be honest, it does not seem likely, at least at this point of the game. Punch line: I know who Coagulation checked, and the role of said person, given that he is indeed a DT, and there is no extra twist (sanity issues etc.) 2. Remember where I asked Lebron to quote "jcarlsoniv" on his claim since I missed it? I waited till Night to end so I can bring this up. Very damn conveniently, based on the lines DH provided us thus far, I have a spirit inside of me too! My power is activated upon being lynched. Hmm, this sounds very familiar... Unless DH has two roles with "OooOo Spirits inside them", or one of these roles were meant for another hint/clue/lead/guide/pointer/sign/trace, jcarlsoniv is lying. I also like how jcarlsoniv said "don't lynch me just yet, I would like to see how other people think". I for one don't care if people lynch me or not, hence I never gave a crap on Day 1. I would have voted for myself if I could, which I actually tried. Your power may be activated upon lynch, mine is just activated upon my death, no matter the cause. My role isn't very special, so if I can avoid dying for no cause, I would like that. I asked for people to hold off voting for me until a DT check comes back because I was afraid people would just start voting me when day started before we had any information. I don't want to die, but if it will verify a DT, I am more than willing to do so. P.S. A role that is activated upon lynch only sounds not friendly for town.
If you're going to argue, you can't make things up.
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I think doc is at work, so idk if we're gonna get a quick night post if we lynch right away
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On December 04 2010 05:39 Fishball wrote:
One thing I just noticed after reading the last page.
kingjames or someone, can you help me do a count on the clues regarding each roles. Do they add up to 15? (One per player)
The way I see it, the quote "A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer " is just an extra hint regarding the relationship between certain players and the hammer, on top of the 15 role clues.
This is why I claimed Preacher and Spirit, I think they are the same role.
My role isn't called spirit, but it's pretty damn close, and nothing remotely near "Preacher"
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Fishball, what do you get when you die? What happens? The difference between our claims is that I have told everyone what happens to me, but you have kept all information from the thread. If you truly are town, stop being worthless.
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