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Awesome. Skimmed the thread, I'm not sure about the no clues thing, since annul said: "2. pay very close attention to the final line of every cycle change post. helpful hint." That may or may not be a clue of some sort. We'll see. One more thing tho, I was part of the Kingmaker game, where the "mayor" was elected every day. If our MoM gets killed, will we elect a new one? And if so, what's to stop Mafia from killing them 'till they get a mafia MoM? | ||
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easily. that's how. But yeah, that's a good question, how will the MoM decide who to kill first, whoever he is (will be). | ||
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On December 11 2010 11:38 LSB wrote: What will I do as mayor I will hold a secrete ballot for the first elections. And I will post who voted for who afterwards. You know, mafia loves to redirect the first election? This will make it harder for them to. This is important for many reasons. Say we're going to lynch inactives. One is mafia, one is town Mafia: "Yo! Lets bandwagon this guy!" Town: "We'll their both inactive so I guess I'll vote for the town" Annul: "You guys lynched a townie. Sheep =P" Now. Imagine my system LSB: "Person A and Person B are inactive, please send me pm for who you vote for" Town sends PMs. Each person has about a 50% chance of dieng. Mafia doesn't have that much influence. Annul: "This person is mafia! Woot Woot!" In addition, I will not be able to influence the vote because I will post who voted for who afterwards. So if you see something messed up, you can call me out of it. (Of course, this also means that we got a great way to catch mafia). Let me tell you the loophole in your plan there, buddy. Say you're mafia. People choose two people to lynch, townie and mafia. You rig the "anonymous" votes and lynch the townie, even though most people voted for the mafia. You can never be checked/blamed for that since people agreed to secret votes. So yeah, that's not gonna be in the best interest of town IMO. | ||
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On December 11 2010 11:58 LSB wrote: People will be like, "YOU ARE WRONG!" if I try to manipulate votes. Oh right, I didn't read that part, but it still gives you a certain degree of manipulation by hiding some mafia votes, if you are mafia. Like say the townie is winning by 7 votes, you switch 3 of the mafia votes to hide them, the difference is less significant, town is more confused. Just saying tho, I don't really care since it's just one night. | ||
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On December 11 2010 12:57 why wrote: Good point. Sorry about that. I like reasoned vote a lot. Of all of them I think that would result in the most discussion and more discussion is always better. That's good in theory. But what possible "good reasons" would one have after not a day of playing? It basically promotes "laying low" because the only reason for voting you would be something you said. I don't think it's a very good idea, we should probably pick someone with experience and then make a lynch-vote and that's that. | ||
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Me, I would lynch an inactive on first night. We can't have them dragging on till days 3-4 like we did before and then be in too much crap to afford to get rid of them. I wouldn't mind lynching LSB either, part from the fact that you guys said he's an experienced player, but if we don't, LSB will still be under scrutiny for the rest of the game because of his voting strategy. The lurkers, however, will never get outed, and I absolutely HATE that. | ||
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On December 12 2010 00:25 deconduo wrote: I'm going to run for MoM as well. I'm not veteran, but I have played a few games. I'm not going to hold a vote for who to lynch, but I will listen to peoples advice and make my own decision. I feel this way I am pretty transparent, and its much more difficult for mafia to manipulate the lynch. So vote for me  I'm sold ##lynch deconduo | ||
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I would like Meapak as well but it seems that people started voting for him out of the blue pretty much, so I'm keeping my options open... still. | ||
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In that case, I'm voting on deconduo, for now. Just in case I don't make it back in time. | ||
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On December 12 2010 01:10 LSB wrote: Btw, they do end tomorrow. However, if we want a good lynch candidate we should give ourselves lots of time to discuss it. Personally, I'm all for voting for a lurker. Depends on your definition of tomorrow. Basically, they end in 5 hours or so? | ||
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So, why go into his plan and kill him? You guys said he's an experienced player (i wouldn't really know, haven't been around that much). Does that look like an experienced player's campaign to you? It reeks of "please lynch me" to any decent player. That's probably what he's trying to do. And you, what if your winning condition is "win mayor on day1", or something like that? What if you gain something if LSB is killed? I don't know what to say, both of you look fishy as hell. And I wouldn't vote for any of you on the first day. With so many alternative winning conditions, I feel that this could be a very short game. | ||
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On December 12 2010 07:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Meapak don't sell yourself short! It's a very probably theory! Here let me do an analysis for you. Starts being difficult and harassing popular opinion, most likely to ingrain negative thoughts in the minds of townies. Comes out of no where applying for MoM and offering one of the other candidates who had the most popularity so far as his lynch no matter what. Probably contributing to his desire to look bad upon the town. Uses odd reasoning here, why would one have to prove their innocence? What the fuck is this England? Changes mind on the fly with what his plans were as MoM now asking for the input of other townies? Or just being difficult and distracting the town more. Conclsuion: With very little posts hes probably a traitor or a VI, posting in a very confusing manner with a seemingly differing agenda then the town. Should keep an eye on him if nothing else! I might be wrong here, but were you not talking about LSB? Because if you were, you just said that he's probably a traitor/VI, in which case it would make no sense to lynch him. I'm just asking, cuz I might be confused, but that's how it sounded to me. And yeah, I must admit I don't like your "vote me I'll lynch that dude for not doing xxx in previous game"-campaign. Call me weird. | ||
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On December 12 2010 11:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol I was joking about the reasoning for wanting to kill him. In TMM2 we were mafia together and they chose a bad hit on the last day which cost us the game. That isn't actually a reason to kill him  If you look at that analysis you are quoting I am analyzing myself based on something meapak said a few posts up. Yeah I figured that's what ELSE it could mean. Ok fair enough. Still don't trust either of you tho. | ||
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On December 12 2010 17:52 aidnai wrote: Meapak, you have my vote. We've spent a lot of time discussing the candidacy of LSB and RoL. What about deconduo? Here's his posts so far: Announces candidacy, plugs candidacy, then gets side tracked for three posts--not much of a campaign imo. Yet he was able to garner votes from Jackal58, ilovejonn, and CubEdIn. Why did you three vote for such a non-chalant candidate? Especially Jackal58 and ilovejonn, who are both lurking pretty hard-core. Just woke up, I was skimming through the thread and was just thinking of this. Here's how it went: 1. He announced candidacy. I voted for him in the first 5-10mins, because I find the votes for Meapak suspicious. 2. Plenty of time later, a few more people vote for him. "out of the blue" so to say. 3. Meapak posts that he'll probably kill deconduo, because of his suspicious voters 4. ilovejonn switches his vote to himself Now, please explain: a) How are there "many votes out of the blue"? I explained mine, and then there were 2 more votes. He never got to be the first place or anything b) Why would ilovejonn switch his post after Meapak threatened to lynch deconduo due to people voting for him out of the blue? I'm sorry but this looks like a very harsh slip-up from a newbie red. If deconduo dies and he flips red, then ilovejonn should die instantly. Even if deconduo isn't red, it's still a very weird and scummish move in my eyes. I must admit that I'm really scared of the alternative winning conditions. I get the reasoning behind meapak's idea, and I know we're short on alternatives, but I don't think there are enough clues to actually take down deconduo because of it. Please think a bit better before you kill him. | ||
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On December 13 2010 01:54 deconduo wrote: Excuse me what are the reasons behind having me lynched again? Because 3 people voted for me? Cube gave good solid reasons, and the other 2 people are newbs that are probably sheeping or randomly voting. Meapaks bandwagon is MUCH more suspicious. Your logic is all over the place. 'Decon might be red cos ilovejohn voted for him and ilovejohn is scummy. So lynch decon'. WTF, in that situation you suggest lynching ilovejohn. This. I appreciate the thumbs up for good analysis, but I never pushed deconduo to be red. I just said that I don't think that the reason to lynch him is very solid, BUT that what ilovejonn did was kinda scummy. If I thought deconduo was red I wouldn't still have my vote on him. And again, ilovejonn is probably a smurf laying low or a newb, but do to his vote-switch, it turns out it's most likely to be the latter. I'm not saying that's reason enough to lynch him though, but he definitely made my list of people to watch out for. What I suggest is this: 1. Ignore the LSB/RoL war. Even if one of them (or both) is red, helping one is probably bad for the town. I'm thinking of things like village idiot, traitor, or any other of the alternative win conditions. They could also both be red and ensure that by arguing so much they would lock down the night 1 lynch, which might be of value to them, or even get some of the townies to trust/confess their roles to them. 2. Have a level-headed guy for mayor. Meapak said that he's not married to killing deconduo. That's fine with me. If he's at least considering other people, and listening to people's votes, then he's a good candidate. Again, I'm not saying deconduo ISN'T red, but I don't want people to overlook anything. If after some analysis, dec seems to still be the best choice for meapak, then fine. 3. Lynch an inactive. And not the kind of inactive that never posted and will get modkilled anyway, but the ones that are trying to slip under the radar, just on the edge of inactivity. ilovejonn is one of the examples, but, again, I don't think it's enough to lynch him, but we can at least get these kind of people to talk more. | ||
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On December 13 2010 09:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: other possible targets would be ilovejohn or beneather From all these 5, I'd have to pick either ilovejonn or aidinai. I already stated why I find ilovejonn suspicious. And if he flips red, we can go for deconduo as well. And as much as I don't like LSB's play, his argument on Aidinai seems decent, and when he attacked deconduo he said I voted for him "nonchalantly", when I was pretty clear of my motives. So either one would be fine with me. | ||
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Deconduo can confirm this theory, but I believe that he pmed people. I know he PMed me He PMed me as well, but only after I voted for him. | ||
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On December 13 2010 11:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sorry for shitting up the thread with so many posts but I realized that this wasn't that bad of a lynch. + Show Spoiler + you are Draco Malfoy! you had a hard life. you almost got caught in with the death eaters and shit. if draco malfoy is alive when five or less players are alive, draco malfoy wins an alternate win. if draco wins by any manner, and is alive when he does so, both lucius malfoy and narcissa malfoy also win. you are not allowed to tell anybody (even your parents) about this ability until dawn of day 6 While we didn't hit a red it sounds like aidnai could have won without the town so at least we hit someone who wasn't pure town. Sorry though Aidnai, if you had posted in the first nine tenths of the game like you did for the last part you probably would have lived. Yeah that's what I was gonna say. At least that's one alternative victory down the drain. Fewer to worry about. | ||
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On December 13 2010 15:02 Airbag wrote: Voting out Aidnai instead of LSB? That makes me sad. If we don't lynch him tomorrow then I guess TL towns are really as easy to manipulate and make like sheep as people say after the night i guess we will know more but LSB is getting away with some very obvious scum play and if town lets him get away with it i will be very frustrated Nobody said LSB isn't scummy. He is, but that's just the point. We're not fearing that he's town/blue and we're lynching him, we're fearing that he's village idiot or something in those lines (mafia traitor, who knows), and that's why he shouldn't die during the first night. I'm ok with lynching him day 2 if nothing better comes along, but be aware of alternate win conditions. | ||
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On December 14 2010 15:31 LunarDestiny wrote: I DO NOT THINK THAT LYNCHING ORGOLOVE A IS GOOD CHOICE. Look, LSB claims that both orgolove and LSB both contribute to mafia's KP LSB, under huge danger of being lynched, role claimed and also SHITS happened. Orgolove is being lynch because LSB claims he is mafia. If we lynch LSB: Mafia's KP will be reduce and we will find out if he is telling the truth. -If LSB is telling the truth, we lynch Orgolove tomorrow (result:2 mafia lynched) -If LSB is lying (result: 1 mafia lynched, tomorrow's lynch unused) This most makes most sense out of ALL that was posted in the last 12 hours. I was going to post this exact same thing. This whole move of LSB REEKS of what Pandain did in Insane mafia. I would ask Pandain: Who would YOU vote for in this case? LSB is clear scum. If he's a traitor or not, it doesn't really matter. Lynching him will tell us. And if we know 100% sure that he's traitor, then we get rid of orgolove, and possibly a few others. Whatever town does, just don't let LSB slip away like Pandain did. | ||
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Sorry, but neither of those are really familiar. You can use the the "time" tag to make it easy for everyone. Like say: Day will end at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Or say "In 6 hours". Or give me CET/GMT. :D It's just that KST and EST are confusing to most Europeans, sorry. | ||
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Sorry for off-topic. On topic: + Show Spoiler [*giggle*] + ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DFp_xmK-GNc/TPEtfxwuzgI/AAAAAAAABJI/gOrPymJzRCs/s1600/harry-potter-and-draco-malfoy_Deathly_Hallows_Ginni_Hermione_Ron_Voldemort.jpg) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://images.blog-u.net/wp-content/main/2010_11/emma-watson-whip.jpg) Ok I'm done. | ||
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On December 15 2010 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Have to make everything hard, don't you =P I think he means 7pm EST, which is in ~4.5 hours. Yeah that's what I thought also, but I just want to make sure. Because if it's KST then I'll stay up, cuz it's only 2 and a half hours, if it's EST then I have to stay up 'till 2AM. So it always ends on 19:00 EST = 17:00 KST? | ||
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I mean, as far as we know, LSB was red, and he THOUGHT he was red. He could've been blue later on but he wasn't told that by the mods. So I have the following questions: 1. Kenpachi - Why are you claiming he wasn't red? 2. Why did LSB lie so much (about following RoL, when he clearly couldn't, about having abilities, etc.) 3. Why go after Orgolove of all people? 4. Why all the chaos with the elections on day 1? If he's as good a player as you guys said he is, that was a pretty crappy campaign imo. 5. If he was working with RoL and Meapakk, what does that say about Meapakk? Meapakk - Not saying you're red, as RoL was not either, but you did trust him, which means that most of the things you told him are most likely known by the Mafia. If you role claimed to him, you should let town (not what your role is, but that you have, at least), also, all other important information that might be detrimental to the town and LSB has got, you should inform us about it. No wonder RoL died, if LSB knew what he was then Mafia surely made sure he was dead. | ||
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On December 15 2010 15:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh and I already roleclaimed a couple pages back when I got roleblocked. Yes, but most importantly, did LSB know what your power was? Before you got blocked. I think by now it's pretty safe to assume that most of the things LSB posted in the thread were lies. And from what happened 'behind the curtains' it's pretty clear that the Mafia knew what LSB knew (I mean, RoL would probably get targeted anyway, but since he was supposed to survive, either the Mafia used 2 hits on him, or someone in town thought it would be a good idea to hit him). So, bottom line is, if LSB knew more than what's already been proven he knows, then we should be aware of it, because Mafia knows it too. And I'm still waiting for kenpachi to give us an explanation as to why he thinks LSB was not scummy. | ||
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Butt anyway! I still want kenpachi to start talking. There was definitely something between him and LSB. Also, deconduo and gilaboy. I know it's most likely that you're not Mafia (since, let's face it, LSB was dead with or without your votes for orgolove), but can you explain why you trusted LSB so much? I know deconduo already explained it, plus we had a lot of PM exchanges before the lynch, so I get HIS point of view, but gila's? | ||
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On December 16 2010 03:03 Thegilaboy wrote: Sure. I trusted LSB because there were very obvious hints throughout the thread that he was Snape. The way that annul designed this game, it is pulling a great deal from the lore of the books, meaning a lot of our characters will have powers/abilities/interactions that coincide very strongly with how the book played out. I guess since I enjoyed the books so much (don't judge haha) it seemed clear to me that Snape would play a traitor's role. He is always appearing the bad guy, but in the end is the good guy through and through. So my reasoning behind trusting LSB is because of the hints pointing towards him being Snape, and annul pulling a great deal from the lore in crafting all of our characters and other aspects of the game Oh, I see, I'm sorry, I'm not very familiar with the books, my girlfriend gave me some tips here and there, and I took that with what dec told me about snape. I went to mafiawiki and read about traitor. It's usually a town-role, who has the ability to turn mafia (so actually, mafia-aligned). Snape was the exact opposite. He was mafia, but town-aligned, so either way, LSB lied his ass off when he was targeted. There was no way he didn't know who the mafia are. So to me, it would still make sense to kill LSB even with him being Snape, since he was feeding lies (like going out with RoL, when it turns out he had no powers whatsoever). But then where does kenpachi come in? He advocated for LSB even before the snipe hints, and he kept doing it even after LSB was revealed. Something's definitely still fishy there. | ||
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On December 16 2010 03:16 Thegilaboy wrote: Ah, my mistake, I meant traitor in the normal sense of the word, not the mafia version, sorry for that bit of confusion. I have no explanation for kenpachi, I can't entirely read his actions with much clarity. I know, I know, but I went to check for Traitor when LSB said he was one. It was part of my discussion wtih deconduo. And I wasn't really asking you to tell me why kenpachi is acting this way, I was trying to push him to explain for himself. | ||
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1. Who to lynch? No clue. Really, I'm pretty baffled after last night. I don't trust a lot of people, in fact I can't think of anyone who I actually DO trust. If I had to kill someone, it would probably be Kenpachi (still didn't get over his defense of LSB), ilovejonn (he did a few slip-ups at start, he seems to be ok now but overall not very helpful) and zeks (because he looks a lot like a role-fisher). Although I'm not sure about zeks, since what he's doing is borderline suicidal. Annul already said he doesn't like the role-claiming and he's making a list of what people are and their role. Not saying I don't like it, but it DOES look like fishing to a certain extent. Overall, I'm not certain we should lynch either of them, their "degree of suspicion" is at best 30% in my eyes. 2. What to do? This one is easy, stop role-claiming in PMs. I'm sure town circles work even without mass role-claims, and I'm pretty sure there are at least SOME links since town lost a lot of good players so far (i mean come on, freaking dumbledore?). I find it hard to believe that mafia is THAT good as to guess who people are by what they're posting, so someone surely leaked information to them. Next, pressure lurkers. Like really pressure. They always start talking once they're about to get lynched. Tube is one of those people, Paindain is borderline lurker (which, incidentally, is how he played kingmaker as well), Coagulation is only raging around not being useful, and a few people I don't even recall ever seeing them in the game (like oddo, chaoser). So speak up, Please. 3. Be more aggressive. From my limited experience, people slip up under pressure. So put pressure on people. I'm not gonna pick a random person and do an entire analysis on them, because I'm sure we can find a bit of scummy in everyone's posts, but some people SHOULD be more under the spotlight than others. It seems that town has mostly retreated in PM land, which doesn't seem to be helping town so far. Maybe we should do more accusations in public land, just saying. | ||
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Normally, I'd vote for why in this context, but I will abstain to do so because I had a weird feeling that ilovejonn has been scummy since the vote-switch at the start of the game. He might be right about why though, and his analysis doesn't seem scummy or trying to divert or anything, so I'll give him the benefit of a doubt. I would also love for ilovejonn, but then you guys will ignore all my previous posts of suspecting him and say that I'm trying to defend why. Which I'm not. As I said, ilovejonn's analysis looks good from where I'm standing. I may change my vote 'till the end of the day, but goddamn it do I hate inactives/lurkers. I mean I get it, it was the man's birthday, but how hard it is to take 10 minutes and dedicate them to the game. If you won't even do that, then stay out of it for good. Same goes for Pandain. DrH said that "that's not how he plays scum", well, that's exactly how he played scum in Kingmaker, where he didn't have the time to actually post a lot. Sure, this is a different game, and more complicated, but who's to say he's not doing the same thing anyway? Tube. Wake up. | ||
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I say we ask annul to modkill both for role-claiming. Then we can have our lynch + a sure mafia. GG NP! | ||
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Just one person's word and the fact that he "heard it from someone who heard it from a dt" should not be enough evidence to lynch one of the most experienced players in the game so far. We already lost pretty much everyone else. The only problem is, if he turns out green, we WILL need the other one to claim as well and get rid of both (because we obviously can't have two people with the same role). Also, if he flips green on DT check, Meapak should probably turn over whoever said DrH turned red (because, let's face it, even if we will have 2 greens with the same role, there's no way either of them would have flipped red), so Meapakk's source is most likely red. Alternatively, we could get lucky with today's lynch and get one of the "doubles". Either way, I'm not gonna support DrH's lynch based on one testimony alone. | ||
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T CLAIM IT. Having DTs claim is one of the dumbest things town can do. Seriously, part from highly unusual circumstances, DTs should NEVER claim in the open. If you have to do it, use a town circle or smth. | ||
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They could, sure, but why would Mafia kill someone who's under high suspicion from town? Just let the town lynch him. Besides, I'm sure that mafia would rather aim for a DT rather than a medic. Besides #2, there should be more medics in the game, so someone could STILL protect DrH anyway. And since nobody is helping me push tube in the spotlight, I'll move my vote to pandain. My argument is that he played exactly like this in kingmaker, where he was scum. And I should know, I was his scumbuddy. Sorry buddy! | ||
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On December 18 2010 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You've already been lynched. If I'm correct voting ended 10 minutes ago. We'll see what happens. I believe that days end at 9 KST which gives it 45 more minutes. @ meapakk: just a thought. If drh DOES turn out blue, then we can assume that what he said was true, so we shouldn't have a tracker claim and give mafia even more targets for tonight. | ||
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On December 18 2010 08:16 CubEdIn wrote: @ meapakk: just a thought. If drh DOES turn out blue, then we can assume that what he said was true, so we shouldn't have a tracker claim and give mafia even more targets for tonight. Sorry, I meant "If Pandain" turns out blue... bla bla. Please, no more claiming. Mafia doesn't need any free help in this game. | ||
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On December 18 2010 08:30 kitaman27 wrote: DrH was the one caught lying. Pandain has been scummy, but DrH is a sure thing. Sorry, but unless I missed something, it's only you that can so far confirm that you have a "double" for DrH's role. I'm not saying you're lying, but the fact that you came out with this a few hours before the night and you already got a ton of votes make me feel very suspicious. Either you're trying to protect Pandain, but make it less obvious by disagreeing with him, or you have something to gain if DrH dies tonight. I'm sorry, but it seems too easy to say: If he's not red, then lynch me. So far we've seen two unlynchables in this game. How do we know you're not a third? If this would've happened yesterday, DrH would've been clearly the lynch for this phase of the game, but so close to night end? And a wagon of 6-7 votes looks suspicious, you must at least admit that. | ||
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On December 18 2010 08:41 kitaman27 wrote: So shouldn't the "double" be lynched? DrH first and if not I'll reveal the other double. Guaranteed scum kill there. Fair enough. One problem though, we don't know who the double is, and we have no guarantee that you do, or that you'll tell us. I'm not asking you to reveal a doctor, that would be retarded, but you must see a flaw here, no? Yes I have something to gain if DrH dies tonight. The whole town does. He is a death eater. No, I did not come a few hours before night. I came out at noon. That is more than enough time for the town to make an educated decision and for DrH to respond to my accusation. Actually, your post came up @ 2:02 KST. That means you came out 7 hours before night time. Given the fact that we have 48 hour days, you came in when there was roughly 15% of the day remaining, and presumably, you had this information since "dawn". Huh? Why would a mafia be unlychable? That would mean they can never die. I never said you're a mafia. I'm thinking you have an alternate win condition. There are still a few of them left, and I have no possible clue on what they could be. This is mostly unfounded, obviously, but, again, your claim is unsupported as well. | ||
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On December 18 2010 08:50 kitaman27 wrote: The reason he said that is because you are elder. Fair enough, then how did the DT find out he is mafia? What's the point of the elder if he turns out red in dt checks? Your accusation is starting to look very full of holes. | ||
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Both you are zeks are on the chopping block tomorrow, no matter what drh flips. Also, today's chaos came up with a lot of slip-ups (mostly caused by "mistakes"). I lost trust in a lot of people I was almost sure of were town. | ||
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On December 18 2010 09:09 ilovejonn wrote: That is a pretty ridiculous claim, if Dr.H flips green there are clear signs of liars, and yet you want to waste a lynch on me? Look, I am not a lie detector okay? I need time to process my thoughts, I haven't even ate yet since I woke up to read through the pages. If I vote for someone I need to at least give a reason and not just bandwagon. I'm not saying you should be lynched. I'm saying you've been acting suspicious since day 1. I'm saying that when you're online and there is a very tight vote situation like this, you should state your opinion. You know, stick out your neck. It's easy to be red, and only vote if your ally CAN be saved. And if not, just say "oh i has no opinionzz lolol". It's a mafia game. Voting is obligatory for a damn good reason. Everyone there is putting their necks on the line. If DrH flips red, people who voted for Pandain will most likely come under scrutiny. If he flips blue, everyone who voted for DrH will be in the spotlight. Trying to fly under the radar and not take any chances of being spotted is scummy as hell. So yeah. | ||
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On December 18 2010 09:16 CubEdIn wrote: ##Vote ilovejonn Here, I can have a placeholder as well. And I'll just post things like: "Oh, I'm so undecided" "Oh, I sure hope you guys are right" "The horror, I need to type a post and stuff" And hope neither town or mafia sets sights on me, see how the game ends. PERFECT PLAY IMO. | ||
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On December 18 2010 09:19 ilovejonn wrote: Holy crap, I didn't even see the voting thread. I'm voting Pandain based on his wishywashy voting. Seriously? 20 minutes after voting ends? God dude. You're not making it easy on me to believe you mean well. | ||
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It was a rather tough call, especially since votes were somewhat tied, but I made my decision. It bugs me when I see people going "oh well, guess i'll skip this one, it's on you guys!". But fair enough, we'll see who was right and decide where to go from there. | ||
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First of all, why did ilovejonn die? Is it because he had a placeholder role when voting ended? So that means that his vote on Pandain didn't count? Second of all, shouldn't DrH have won the vote tally? | ||
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On December 14 2010 10:10 Amber[LighT] wrote: i took a hit last night. (1 of 2 lives) If a medic protected someone else it would be a very good idea for them to contact that person to start a mini-circle. There we go. So why is the arguing about who protected him, when he CLEARLY took a hit? Also, shouldn't the night post be coming in any minute now? I want to reveal a short series of PMs if I'm still alive. | ||
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If I do die during the night, know that it's just about the PMs I had with Pandain, so if I die as well it won't matter much to the town. Nitey-nite. | ||
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On December 19 2010 09:23 zeks wrote: He couldn't have had two lives: he's a green. Well then it means that he wasn't hit anyway. And that he lied. I don't really like this game much. It's like house. Everyone lies. | ||
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So far, 80% of what was important in this game seems to have gone through PMs. I, unfortunately, am not part of any town circles, and the people I did speak to turned up dead. The ones that are not dead, said they don't trust me, so then what's the point of PMs. I tried to take everything, including my thoughts on the issue in the thread, but people like YOU judge based on what you know from PMs AND the thread. I don't have that luxury. And I would probably just shut up and oblige, but from what I see so far, the PM circles blow. We lost a ton of blues, a ton of DTs, and we got one mafia who may or may not have turned town. Now, even if town gets successful lynches every night, it's still very much in trouble. So no, I won't take people who lie lightly. It's the ONLY thing I have to go on. Unfortunately, the Amber thing is irrelevant to me now, because, even though he lied, he is dead. So I shall focus on the other guys who I've seen lying. Just wait for the night post. | ||
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On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote: Yet you give DrH a free pass? Ummm, no? If by "a free pass" you mean "did not vote for him", I made my reasons pretty clear in the thread. I basically had a choice of trusting you, or going after Pandain. I chose the latter, and as soon as daytime comes, I will show you why. On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote: But the point is that Amber not dieing on night one validates the real medic and discredits the fake one. So you're saying that there's only one medic left in the whole game? And it can't be DrH because he said that he did not protect Amber? Fair enough, but how do we know there's just one more medic left? There have been 3DTs so far, we could easily have more medics, no? If there's a reason why we think it's just one medic left, then I missed it, and if it's irrefutable, then that's the best proof against DrH that I've seen so far. On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. DrH has not been protected by the real medic and he stated earlier in a pm that he cannot protect himself so if he survives the night hits then its pretty clear he is guilty. He will probably say the mafia let him live to create suspicion, but they really let him live because he is their leader. I will make a comment about this as soon as daytime comes. Let's just see. On December 20 2010 00:13 kitaman27 wrote: Anyone find it weird that he is not desperate to find out the identity of the real medic? If there is a double name claim and he is really pomfrey than the other medic is 100% guilty. Instead he portrays me as a "misguided" town and spends his time defending himself. What really? You would want him to try and "out" the other person? That would be incredibly anti-town. Seriously, if you're wrong about him, when DrH dies, you will have to produce the other person or else it's your head that will roll 100%. Why would he try and give the mafia a free hit? (assuming you are correct, and that other medic is the real one). | ||
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On December 20 2010 01:03 kitaman27 wrote: You must have missed this, or chose to ignore it, but Meapak claimed a type of medic too. DrH stated that Meapak protected Amber night one and Meapak responded that this was a lie. The real pomfrey told me that they protected Amber night one. That means the other pomfrey is a fraud. You are either confused or defending your scumbuddy to the death. That makes no sense at all. They both claimed the same name. One of them is scum, the other is not. If DrH is pomfrey then he knows 100% that the other medic is scum. This would NOT be giving the mafia a free hit. I just read through all his posts and couldn't find a reference to where he asked me to produce the other medic and the dt that checked the real medic. Though he has suggested numerous times that he is ok with a 1:1 trade, but then follows that up by saying I'm scum so I won't reveal the other medic. Lets follow his wishes and lynch him tonight, and we can lynch the other medic the next day. Yes DrH has claimed Pomfrey. Another person has been checked as Pomfrey, but that person was not kenpachi. Well you're right. I'm confused as hell. I understood that there are two Pomfreys. I understood that someone protected Amber, but that someone was not DrH (or Meapakk). However, I don't see why this constitutes a case against DrH, that's all. Just try to EXPLAIN other than incriminate me. DrH claimed medic, correct? Then how would he know what Meapakk did? And why would he say that meapakk defended Amber if he didn't know that for sure. These are things that I just don't understand. You are either confused or defending your scumbuddy to the death. That makes no sense at all. They both claimed the same name. One of them is scum, the other is not. If DrH is pomfrey then he knows 100% that the other medic is scum. This would NOT be giving the mafia a free hit. Again, you're looking at this from your perspective alone. I do not know that there are two people who claimed Pomfrey. Only YOU know that, we just have to believe you. So from my point of view, I know that DrH said he's Pomfrey and that you said that's a lie. Even if DrH IS pomfrey, then he has YOU, who KNOWS who that other guy is, and when he flips green you will HAVE to give us his identity. Explain to me how my logic doesn't work? Why would anyone reveal the identity of BOTH people who claimed Pomfrey in the thread? Really, just try to slowly explain it to me as if I was a retard. Scenario 1 -> DrH is blue. => The other Pomfrey is a red. They would not kill DrH because then you would out the red. Unless they could kill all the people who know the red's identity, they would have to let DrH live. It would be in Mafia's interest that the town doesn't know the red's identity, correct? Scenario 2 -> DrH is red. => The other Pomfrey is blue. Mafia would like to know his name because he's a medic. It would be in Mafia's interest that the medic is revealed to the town (and to them, obviously). -> this would be giving mafia a free hit, it's what I was referring to. Claiming in public = free information for Mafia. That's how I see it. Please explain where I am wrong, because I feel pretty retarded right now. | ||
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The Amber thing is still not 100% clear, since it's a lot of WIFOM for me, but Iget the main adia. And about the two Pomfrey claims, it's clear that it's either one of the two scenarios: 1. You are telling the truth, and one of them is red, bla bla. 2. You are just making stuff up, which is far fetched (since you'd have a lot of explaining to do if DrH flips blue), but still feasible, due to the fact that, bottom line is that you're the only one who's sticking out his neck for this. So, if DrH DOES flip blue, we will only have you to kill. Nobody else's neck is on the line. (And again, I'm not saying you are red, you could want DrH dead due to alternative win conditions, I've had a lot of theories like this since day one, and some of them turned out true. Deconduo can confirm that). But I do agree (and never claimed otherwise, after Pandain flipped blue) that DrH is probably the best target now. And as I said, I'll explain why I voted for Pandain and not trusted you, as soon as I see the day post. | ||
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Here is why I voted for Pandain. These are the only PMs that I've had with him the whole game: then i was redirected -.- *sigh u mind if i say this in thread? Not you who said, but in general? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From CubEdIn: Wow, you just gone screwed up. I'm only gonna tell you this, and not out it on the thread because I don't want to role-claim. You did not check Airball on night 2, because I was spying on him that night. He was not visited by anyone. So, sorry, but my vote stays that way. Unless Annul lied to me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: -.- its how i play kingmaker its also how i play when i can only be on for 1 hour a day according to my parents -.- ----------------------------------------- Original Message From CubEdIn: Well I'm sorry but you're being awfully quiet. And you must admit it's exactly how you played kingmaker. If you weren't such a lurker in this game i would've never set my sights on you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: why are you lynching me you scum you And since I'm out there now: Someone visited Airbag/DrH tonight. And since he's still alive, I'm gonna guess it was a DT, or a medic. I'm not asking you guys to claim, but if you're in a town circle, it should at least prove that I'm not making up my role. | ||
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I can't tell who checks my target, or what they do. But once I check someone, I can see actions against them for the rest of the game (or until I die). If any of the other "watches" could be verified I would have said something. But the other watches were rather useless. Night #1: LSB. He was visited by someone. Night #2: Airbag. He was not visited by anyone. Night #3: Airbag. He was visited by someone & zeks - he was also visited by someone, obviously. I know it's convenient, but I checked LSB because he was scummy as hell. And I checked zeks because he seemed very pro-town, but in last night's debacle he chose not to vote, which I found very suspicious. So yeah. I can check whoever you want me to check, and I'll still have my sights on Airbag. | ||
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@kitaman - I can't say for sure, but yeah, something in that area. | ||
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Plus, I cannot tell the role of whoever I'm watching. I can only tell about their visitors. I'm guessing my role would be a lot more useful if the people I picked would still be alive. | ||
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I did not confirm or deny that role. Annul, no lightning strike please. | ||
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On December 20 2010 08:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: Neither can I. I see no other character that would be "fairly obvious" to have this role. Unless I'm overlooking something. Well, after the game started, I watched the entire Harry Potter series and realized why my character had this power. It made sense in the movie, at least, I don't know about the books. Either way, as I told pandain and others in this game. I'm not fond of claiming names. It ruins the game (obviously). If you guys think you can use my powers, then just tell me who to track (via PM, preferably) and I will. If not, then don't. I have shared as much as I could, if not too much. | ||
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Can someone from a circle confirm that DrH was acted upon tonight? And perhaps what the result is? I'm not asking anyone to claim, but at least confirm that I did not lie about my role, and perhaps bring a bit more light onto the DrH case? | ||
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Basically, if he's not red, then we're royally screwed anyway. So it doesn't matter. However, the fact that nobody stood up to say anything about the use of ability on Dr.H, makes me believe one of the below: 1. A mafia used an ability on him. Either role-block, or some sort of protection (maybe he is red and they were scared of a vig hit or something). 2. Someone in kita/jcarlson's circle checked him, and he flipped blue as well. Which means that one of the two Pomfreys is the Godfather, (or Lord V, whatever). In which case we should at least KNOW that this is the case. If Kita's DT checked DrH and he flipped blue, I understand that he wouldn't want the town to know because it may shift votes off Dr.H, and they'd rather not deal with the confusion right now. Otherwise, I can't see why they would not inform the town. 3. A medic of some sort defended Dr.H because he was convinced Dr.H was town and he didn't want Mafia to take him down. This makes sense if said doctor believes that kita is red, and since the last-minute-wagon didn't work, they would use a night hit on Dr.H. But it does not make sense because then Kita's head would be on the line (if drh was indeed blue). Any other ideas? People have been blatantly ignoring the fact that he was indeed visited tonight. If we're gonna lynch him, we might as well know what happened, does nobody agree? | ||
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Because if Pandain was telling the truth, then he did try to check DrH that day, but Dr.H was swapped with Pandain (remember? Pandain said that he tried checking airbag and got back result "Pandain's ability is DT"). And on that night, I did not get a message that he was visited. So, if this was the case, then I should have either gotten a message on both night 2 and now, or no message at all. Annul? Can you confirm? | ||
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I can't tell who I tracked night 2, unless bus driver really switched Pandain and DrH in which case I was tracking Pandain. Otherwise, I was tracking whoever DrH was switched with. Town circle GGQ was in should know that. Tonight, if Meapakk is correct, Bus Driver got to DrH first, so I was tracking whoever Bus Driver switched Airbag with. However, my PM from Annul said that 1 action was taken against DrH, not "against your target". Thus the confusion. Annul, so, say that I was tracking two targets (X/Y), and X was switched with A, would I get the message that 1 action was used against X? even though the action hit A? ...if such a role would exist, obviously. | ||
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I mean, it's not like there was an "Either Pandain or DrH" situation. They were tied in votes but the same points could be made against DrH's lynch whether Pandain was blue or red. Anway good for town, bad for oddo. I practically begged for people to stop being afk. Next stop for modkill, tube? Not because he voted for me, but it seems like the natural order of things. | ||
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On December 22 2010 06:31 deconduo wrote: We should be able to finish this off pretty easily now. How so? 80% of the players are asleep. Basically, there are 5 of 14 (or whatever, didn't count) players that are still talking. The rest are just sheeping alone. Making it easy for mafia to blend in. So no, don't let your guard down. At all. | ||
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It was pretty clear by the time he voted that DrH would die, why not all bandwagon him and just blend in? So yeah, I get your reasoning, but my idea is that ALL town needs to speak, now when there are, what, 13 players left? | ||
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In all fairness, the claiming was a bit too imba. This game would've gone a lot smoother if there were no claims. I know there were no 100% name claims, but come on... "I rock @ brewing potions, I love harry's mom, and my name rimes with Teverus Tape". So yeah, GG town. Wish it would've ended differently. | ||
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I asked Annul to go for Mr.Zergling + deconduo tonight, how would've that worked out? | ||
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How many doctors did you have geez. | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:37 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, btw Cube, pevergreen didn't get the HP powers  Oh we really didn't care about that. I never trusted kita in PMs. But the group decided to roleblock kita and hit Node+Meapak (thinking that who tf would cover meapak's ass). I suggested MrZ and deconduo (cuz decon claimed to me that he had no powers via pm early in the game). But yeah, the town seems rather stacked. We did an awesome job with hits and lynches at start, and you still had awesome abilities left. All mafia had was a roleblock and the ability to tell which of us gets targeted at night (but without knowing by what or by whom). | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:39 LunarDestiny wrote: Role list now. I want to know why node betrayed mafia. Was he one of them? *cough* what? | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: And don't forget your Voldemort powers haha. I honestly think things would have gone WAY differently if Dr.H didn't contact me in the beginning. We were able to peg him and track him with his false claim to me. Well that was standard GF. In a normal game, you wouldn't have had such a nice mod-confirmed town circle and would've had to use DTs. And we got most of the DTs, so it would've been much, much harder. Seriously, I must say I was like "thank god we got that guy" when I saw "dt+medic+vet+unlynchable+EPICSEXYDUDE", only to go "wtf" when I saw other people had way strong abilities as well. LSB and DrH were exemplary, but when you have a list of names, all you have to do is have people confirm their name by confirming their power, which was too easy if you ask me. | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: You had way more powers than you made it seem. Role kill. Target detection. 2 members who kill someone when they die. Imperio curse. Those are some pretty bad ass powers. But totally useless in this stage. 2 members would not kill someone when they die. The special tie means that if one of the two members is dead, the a townie + the other member dies. So it's 2 for 1. Useless in our scenario. Imperio curse was cool, but we had no idea who was who. And if you count your abilities and the house abilities, it was practically impossible for us to use it perfectly unless we knew exactly WHAT your abilities are how you would use them. And you tell me how the target detection is useful when you all know who we are. But alas, I really don't mind the town's powers as I mind how people ability-claimed into having their identities revealed. It ruined the game imo. Also lol @ kita trying to get me to claim Creevy. As if! | ||
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On December 23 2010 06:55 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, I read the malfoys' roles wrong, yeah that's kinda iffy. As for role claiming, I don't see how anyone expects a mafia game to work for town without role claiming of sorts. It was extremely difficult gaining the trust of the town. Kitaman and I were pulling our hairs out when everyone was siding with Dr.H for that lynch. Bandwagoning Pandain was probably your downfall. If you bussed someone, it would have probably been harder to get people to want to kill Dr.H. Yeah but role claiming is not what caused our demise. It was matching the role with the name. Take that and combine it with a couple of mod-confirmed circles, and it gives the mafia 0 chance to blend in by claiming. I mean, I had basically no role to claim, since I was sure that most of them have already been claimed. Think about how this game would've worked if there was NO name list whatsoever. Sure, you can say that you have 3 allies, but how will you ever be sure about the rest unless you DT them? | ||
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On December 23 2010 07:00 kitaman27 wrote: hehe your response was even better: "I guess that I can say that I don't like photography as much as I like paintings, you know, in the same way that Dumbledore loved art." You actually made me have to google a few characters. How evil :p Yeah, this is what I meant. I didn't realize that my power was so close to Creevy's, until I said it on the thread. But there was no way I would actually claim Creevy because: a) you gave me the list of "unconfirmed players" b) it was clear that even if someone hadn't claimed it, they would have around the same time via PM to kita. All I could do was hope to hint at Dumbledore's Spy-Paintings. But no character seemed to have a relation to that, and I couldn't "disguise" my ability into anything else. | ||
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Not to mention that if they were to lynch one of the malfoys, it would go from 6v4 to 5v2 (skipping two steps), which was likely anyway. | ||
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I'm NOT saying the game was imba. We would have a fair fighting chance IF the town didn't know who we all were. But due to claims and matching said claims to names, the town was too well informed. I never said the hosting was flawed, just that there were too many role-claims that were easily matched to names in PM land. Perhaps an extra 10 roles or so that may/may not be in the game would have turned the tables. That was a good suggestion. Anyway, gg, looking forward to the next one. Especially to getting back at kita. | ||
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But, again, the chances of us missing one hit were extremely high anyway. Like half the people were protected or something. It doesn't really matter, the roles were cool, the claiming was less cool. May the next one be better. Oh and Happy Holidays. | ||
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