EPTAlso, why is there a bandwagon on Radfield going? From what I've read, the major suspect is Jimbo right now. I'm not very confident in Helvetica but at this point it seems like we have little choice.
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also, why is there a bandwagon on Radfield going? From what I've read, the major suspect is Jimbo right now. I'm not very confident in Helvetica but at this point it seems like we have little choice. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2010 02:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Helvetica: How are you so sure that there's a vig out there? The OP states that all roles may or may not be used. Since one DT died and two medics did as well, I doubt there'll be that many blue roles left. You claim to have access to a DT and a confirmed veteran, but how sure are you that they're town? Could it just be a mafia ploy? No news about a new confirmed townie either. Also, why is there a bandwagon on Radfield going? From what I've read, the major suspect is Jimbo right now. I'm not very confident in Helvetica but at this point it seems like we have little choice. Because of the immediacy of the DT claim I'm inclined to believe it is true and in a 30 person game 2 DT's is quite normal. Perhaps it is quite possible there is no vig, but in that case there are certainly 2 vets meaning youngminii is probably telling the truth. There may even be 2 vigs. Because YM is "the vet" I asked him to claim DT and announce the result of the DT check but he ignored me completely and instead tried to turn a bandwagon around on me. Good one eh? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 04 2010 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because of the immediacy of the DT claim I'm inclined to believe it is true and in a 30 person game 2 DT's is quite normal. Perhaps it is quite possible there is no vig, but in that case there are certainly 2 vets meaning youngminii is probably telling the truth. There may even be 2 vigs. Because YM is "the vet" I asked him to claim DT and announce the result of the DT check but he ignored me completely and instead tried to turn a bandwagon around on me. Good one eh? Err why would someone believe a DT claim anyways? So if he isn't going to announce the result are you or South going to confirm the circle grew? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place. I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind. [QUOTE]The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. [/QUOTE] k thx | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place. I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind. The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. k thx | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
So the fact that youngminii has been unable to capitalize on his role at all makes me suspicious. | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place. The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. the chaos ensuant is already dead fyi | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
you could be the godfather but I really just can't understand why you would behave the way you do if you are pro-town. if that is the case and you are indeed a green townie then I'm not really sure where to start telling you how to improve your play not spamming would be one thing explaining why you accuse people of scum might be another you did the same thing in insane mafia where you just kept saying I'm scum over and over and never ever said why and you ignored all posts asking you not to keep spamming am I missing a piece of the puzzle or do you just post without thinking | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Role counts are hidden fyi You are less suspicious because of a dead CE, but not removed entirely. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you did the same thing in insane mafia... So...Was he town? Care to share any useful information on his play style in Insane mafia? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Maybe he's singling them out on purpose to throw Amber[LighT] off? Node has some suspicious posts and ym is uber suspicious as well. 1 veteran in a 30 person game is pretty common so it is critical CRITICAL the vig hits youngminii tonight. Critical. So we know for sure the following roles exist (confirmed by DT or death): hardened soldier healer witch hunter mad hatter may or may not exist: paranoid villager It is rare there is no vig role in a game, even with mad hatters. I can not know this is the case unless the last people who have yet to claim claim to me. Until then I'm depending on a vig hit on ym to confirm his alignment. If I don't even KNOW that there is a vig that's not possible. If no vig claims to me then there is no choice really except to lynch him. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:49 Kavdragon wrote: So...Was he town? Care to share any useful information on his play style in Insane mafia? Actually he was a traitor but iirc he didn't get his alignment change until much later in the game. I forgot there was even a third party in Insane because I was hit before it became a real issue. His playstyle: spam uselessly for a long time accuse me over and over of being scum saying little more than "i think you're scum" "drh is scum" "lynch drh" uses his broadcast ability (which allows him to add a small message to the day post) to say "drh is lying and he's red) spams more When he was boogeyman in haunted he played calm and smartly. He was useful and was able to track important targets and came close to getting the information needed to trap annul in his lies and maybe even win the game for town. In Haunted Mafia I was the mod, in Insane Mafia I was the quote/unquote "town leader" (mayor role and a semi-useless blue role) and mafia all came out of the woodworks to get me lynched. JimboSilvers is playing like Coagulation did or Pandain to a slightly worse degree (at least pandain contributed something other than reactionary defense). Radfield is playing a little bit like Ace, separating himself from other mafia players and making weak easy bandwagons/contributing nothing until he is pressured to. However I'm starting to feel with JS and Radfield it might be one or the other, it's very rare bandwagons get split like this between two mafia. So if JS survives I may want to DT check radfield although it's safe to say it's probably best to wait until the godfather is lynched. At this point I'm thinking youngminii is the godfather. His claim was immediate but he didn't claim until after the day when the godfather would have been chosen. The timing was off and he hasn't utilized his role at all. Veteran imo is the best role for a godfather to choose as well. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Critical points for townies to consider: -mafia goal to save a fellow mafia is not direct defense but split bandwagon or redirection -don't push the bandwagon back onto radfield -if js is lynched and flips mafia then it is likely he was bussed and many mafia voted for him -if js is lynched and flips town then the mafia camp is likely centered around Radfield -MIA players who can't be allowed to slip through the cracks: artanis, pandain, protactinium, southrawrea to an extent -it's critical that the last 4 people roleclaim to me via PM, i need to confirm that a vig exists -if you want to consider an alternative target (ie: jimbosilvers behavior could be that of a bad/misled townie who truly believes I am scum, i've seen people react like this before and end up town) then lynch youngminii instead That's the basics that I want to get out. Also look at overreactions to lynches. People going"NOOOOOOOOO" when a townie dies or "HAHAHA YEAH FUCK U MAFIA" when ghrur/brownbear died. Some townies do that but at least one other mafia will behave in this fashion. Because some mafia have roleclaimed to me (number of people who have not roleclaimed lower than remaining mafia count) then that means it is possible ALL mafia have roleclaimed to me. Why wouldn't they all just rc townie or some bullshit role because they would know I'd be more suspicious of people who didn't roleclaim. I am willing to do this: lynch youngminii DT check jimbosilvers JimboSilvers is a person who hasn't roleclaimed to me and his defense is so sloppy and bad that it would certainly be the easy wagon. He definitely wouldn't be the godfather either. Just some things to think about. You can PM me at any time and I'll respond on my phone but I can't do things like quote/spoiler/bold/etc. so keep it simple. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
As for the lynch, I want to find out what radfield is, but I accept the fact that youngminii and JS are better lynch targets atm. Anyone else have thoughts on this? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
Poll: Would you be willing to Lynch YM today? Yes (9) No (1) 10 total votes Your vote: Would you be willing to Lynch YM today? I think that the case against JS is stronger, and I think that the town can agree enough to lynch him. I think that YM is more likely the GF, and I want to know if the town would be willing to lynch him today, instead. I don't want to try to switch this over unless the town can decide to do it, because we do NOT want to be completely split between the two. To be clear, I'm voting JS. If this poll shows a willingness to lynch YM, then I'd like to switch the vote. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
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KtheZ
United States813 Posts
On December 04 2010 06:10 Kavdragon wrote: Poll: Would you be willing to Lynch YM today? Yes (9) No (1) 10 total votes Your vote: Would you be willing to Lynch YM today? I think that the case against JS is stronger, and I think that the town can agree enough to lynch him. I think that YM is more likely the GF, and I want to know if the town would be willing to lynch him today, instead. I don't want to try to switch this over unless the town can decide to do it, because we do NOT want to be completely split between the two. To be clear, I'm voting JS. If this poll shows a willingness to lynch YM, then I'd like to switch the vote. I'm not sure if a poll would be the best way to do this; ANYONE can vote in this poll, including people who arent even playing. Plus, it is anonymous, which is bad. Also, theres only a few hours left and a split vote is not good at all. I'll agree with the rest of the town and vote JS. | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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