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On December 03 2010 00:18 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 23:07 youngminii wrote:
I honestly think everyone that's going against Radfield should read the above post, twice, and reconsider your decision. And focus on who? Switch to Dr.H? He currently holds a lot of information on this game. I didn't ask people to claim to him, but they did. Now, we go with the flow. We need to put a little faith into Dr.H, or admit he is Mafia and that he knows most of the blue roles, which means that even if we get him, the town is screwed. Now, also consider the fact that we need someone who will gather up more votes then whoever wants to lynch Dr.H. I doubt this will happen in time. Give the town a better target. Not you in particular, but anyone!
Yeah, we just have to accept that if Doc is mafia, the game has already been lost for town. Which is why I'm putting my faith in him.
Who would you suggest as a better target than Rad youngminii? Aside from Doc, of course. He will be very useful to town because he holds all the information. Hopefully, if there is a leak in the circle, he will find it.
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kitaman27
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The thread has reached 50 pages and around 1000 posts. Here is a brief list of the players that have been mainly inactive or missing in action.
Artanis[Xp]
Total posts: 6
On November 29 2010 03:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I just voted for you as you hadn't added much to the thread yet. As for being inactive; I have always been sort of a lurker, both as mafia and townie. The difference is that I now prefer less short, spammy posts in favor of posts that'll actually help town forward instead of driving them in circles. I voted for you as I hadn't really analyzed the active posters enough to make a proper judgement so I'd rather make sure my vote wouldn't help a mafia bandwagon on anyone.
Claims his basis for voting against Amber is lack of contribution to the thread. Comes off hypocritical.
Protactinium
Total posts: 7
On November 27 2010 05:25 Protactinium wrote:
I hope people will be more active than it has been (I know I was not helpful here, but I am here now). I am sure the game will start to pick up now that Thanksgiving is over.
To help ensure that activity levels will rise, I will like to remind everyone (or inform people who don’t read the rules) that if you are inactive you will surely die without giving an excuse to the mods.
Again, calls for an active thread yet remains inactive. Later. he appears out of nowhere right before he is about to get lynched to make 60% of his posts.
CubEdIn
Total posts: 7
Waits six days before making his first post.
On December 01 2010 20:28 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok so I managed to skim through this.
I think Kenpachi is suspicious. If nobody DTs him he can easily fake the medic role all the way to the end. And even if he does get DTed, he could be the Elder Witch.
Supports a DT check of Kenpachi, which in retrospect would have been a waste.
EsbenPM
Total posts: 6
Hasn't posted since page 34, but in the few posts that he has made, he has made seemingly pro-town posts including a defense of kenpachi. Would like to hear more from him.
youngminii
Total posts: 11
No posts in particular pop out, although there weren't many to look through. Playing quietly and appearing when called upon.
Annul
Total posts: 28
More posts than the rest on the list, but still someone I would consider inactive. The majority of his posts have been spam or self-defending.
On November 28 2010 10:25 annul wrote:
and ps i never claimed any color for this game.
Then proceeds to claim to DrH, without stating a reason for his change in mindset.
On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote:
tbh this game is prematurely fucked for the town due to a DT suiciding so like i really have stopped paying much attention since then
if im still alive later on in the game im sure i will pay more attention to the stuff (and, specifically, look at individual posts of the ones still alive), but in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting. for some reason i just do not "feel" this game =(
id almost say "go and kill me" but i mean you really are better off just finding scum, not lynching a townie for not caring so much on day 2
not that i think i am in any danger whatsoever, mind you
On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote:
btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now
when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure.
Repeatedly promises to contribute at a later point. States he is not giving up, yet shows he doesn't care.
On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote:
in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting.
On December 01 2010 02:41 annul wrote:
also i am reading the thread mind you, so i know all of what is happening
Goes from "skimming" and bandwagoning to being completely informed in a matter of hours.
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I thought I had been modkilled over the weekend. I didn't "wait 6 days", you can see I have not voted or anything.
I started playing yesterday when I found out I wasn't.
Also, I did not support DT scan of kenpachi. I just said that we cannot be sure of anything. Which still stands true. I don't really care who DTs who, as long as the town knows about it.
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Funny how youngminii's lynch targets are all essential players in the town circle. I guess some people can't wrap their mind around the fact that except for Coagulation literally everybody in the town knew the roles of the other 2 hits. So let's not kill off our most valuable players.
Annul is the "easy" bandwagon and there are other players that are just as if not more guilty of the sort of shit he's bringing to the table. Case in point: Glasse.
Here is another person with no posts, a scummily defensive attitude, and no contributions: Aeres.
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I'm willing to switch to Jimbosilvers from Radfield for today but we can't keep moving the bandwagons around like this. Town needs to stick to their guns or mafia will just split the bandwagon 20 different ways and ultimately they'll make the decision.
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Radfield you were wrong that I asked people to roleclaim to me. You can soften it up all you want talking about implications and the likes, but the fact is you twisted what I was saying to make it sound like I wanted people to roleclaim to me which is what I didn't want. Then you parrot the exact same thing I was actually saying to make it sound like you had the safe idea all along.
No you shouldn't be on the trail of scum at the end of night one. But as far as I know you've been a sitting duck in PMs and of zero to no use in this thread except now to come out with the weak bandwagon on Annul. I feel like this bandwagon has been pre-chosen by mafia as the easy choice, so I'll ask you.
Would you be willing to switch to Aeres instead? He showcases the same sort of behavior (lots of posts with no contribution). What about Glasse?
PM games are far harder to scumhunt? Not at all, most of the people who came across as scummy to me and who I now expect made it much worse for themselves in PMs. Maybe if you made an attempt to scumhunt in PMs you'd be helpful. But it didn't seem that was the case, even in your PMs with me.
PMs favor the good over the bad and in games where everybody is good, they favor the town. It is a huge advantage for mafia that they can change subjects, direct town attention elsewhere when the heat comes on them, with PMs that possibility is marginalized because players can apply the pressure directly. It becomes too scummy to ignore it so mafia players are forced to react until the town player is satisfied. Considering you're one of the better players in this game your lack of abuse of the PM system is startling.
It's several posts that I find scummy, PMs that I find scummy (which I still need to post I was waiting for pandain too but he never did), your lack of overall contribution, your desperate attempt to appear as "pro-town" as possible with your rhetoric without ever contributing to the game at hand, and even now your scumhunting is weak.
If scumhunting was priority #1 why not start PMing and trying to make these players slip-up? You don't even have any PMs with annul? That says to me you never really thought he was mafia in the first place if you know what I mean.
Like I said, I'm willing to switch over to JimboSilvers if your scumhunting is supposedly of such value.
Again, are you willing to lynch or kill an alternative target to Annul that has similar posting behavior? Annul is NOT playing like scum and I have observed both as scum and as town. He's playing like he does when he is town.
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Radfield I believe you were supporting the mass claim to me earlier so why doesn't everyone just claim to me now? I have reasons to believe youngminii is lying about his role and perhaps an eventual counterclaim will satisfy those suspicions fully although I'm starting to believe he's lying anyway.
But I don't want this to turn into another "DLYV"
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here is my logic for this game:
1. doctorh knows way too much information
2. because of this, if he is mafia, we auto lose.
3. therefore, we must assume he is not, and trust him implicitly, as our only chance to win.
4. doctorh, given his role as leader of town circle, is investing tons of time in this game
5. therefore, he knows a bit more about people's tendencies etc than i, an outsider, can know.
.*. whatever doctorh wants to happen, i will follow.
he doesnt like radfield. he doesnt like JS. cool, me neither. awesome. vote them.
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that was unhelpful and makes me look bad
thanks for the support though?
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why does it make you look bad? not saying anything that isnt already known tbh
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I guess it's just written in a blunt sort of way that makes me feel uncomfortable and REALLY pressures to lynch a mafia today. But I guess the whole town is. I feel like it's me and maybe 1-2 other people even bothering to do analysis while everyone just says "HURP HURP" and does whatever I say or what the mafia say.
It's a frustrating late game position and part of the reason I dislike being town.
But to digress, mafia aren't going to swear open allegiance to me (although maybe one will now that I've said it)
And I have to note as well your tendency to construct fake arguments as mafia. But perhaps not to the extent that it is happening now.
My feeling now is that Radfield is the Godfather and I want him to claim his role to me. I would like everyone else to as well because I have a lot of missing pieces in the puzzle and I need to start narrowing things down. If Radfield is not the godfather I believe either Glasse, Youngminii, or possibly jcarlsoniv are. The last one is with only minute suspicion.
My current read on the scumteam is thus:
Radfield
(inactive)
Aeres
JimboSilvers
ghrur
Chaoser
CE:
glasse
I suspect inactives such as eiii, esbenPM, or protactinium as well. I trust the other inactives for now, from my PM conversations I feel doubtful they are scum.
I'm also willing to look at Node (who has surprisingly not roleclaimed yet) and I need to take a serious reevaluation of youngminii that is only possible if everyone claims. Although he could be lying about his role anyway, 1 is normal for games like this and I trust the other claimer more.
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ok i got the TL android app so i think i can browse this thread more on my phone
i can still check pms and will be doing that a whole bunch too. i'm at work for the next 8-10 hours so guys, don't let the fucking mafia confuse you
especially don't let them shift the bandwagon conveniently onto me or southrawrea/pandain, anyone like that.
jimbosilvers defense was ridiculous, he's so obvious I'd just like to vig hit him but we can lynch him if everyone is uncomfortable about radfield. i'm very comfortable lynching rad though.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Whether we agree or disagree as to what your posts were insuating Dr H, the fact stands that you received many Day 1 roleclaims(which i would contend is because you were "soft-asking" for them). That was exactly what I was opposing, and surely you agree that it was sound advice I was giving. It's beside the point though. I don't suspect you, and even if I did I agree with Pandain that we're in too deep.
Also, guilty as charged on the PM front. I have played 2 prior games(not including Callers unbalanced Rotk game) with PMs and they have been far and away my worst games. Both games I was buffaloed by Mafia, and both games I was a detriment to the town. I am not nearly as strong at PM games, which is partly why I don't play them. Players have different strengths.
As far as i can tell, there was no bandwagon on Annul other than the one i tried to start. Between Pandains post and mine, there was very little talk at all about him. Given the fact that you keep defending him, without a lot of reasoning in my eyes, I am willing to drop Annul. You have the role-claims, and you have the town-circle, so it would be silly to push against you. For all I know i'm trying to lynch the dt...
As far as other targets, I still have yet to read your analysis of JS. Other players are as follows:
Townies: Pandain, Dr H, Southrawrea
Likely have roles: Youngminii, Artanis,
Most scummy: Node(why is he not on your short list), Kavdragon, glasse, esben
Currently Aeres does not strike me as mafia, but i will look again at his posts.
Protact seems as likely to be modkilled as mafia. If he hangs around with his current level of activity, popping on to vote and nothing else, he should be eventually lynched. No rush here though.
Kavdragon makes it on the list by virtue of this PM I received:
Hey, are you still playing? Or does your crisis still hold you captive...
Anyways, I was wondering if you are in DocH's PM circle. You are my highest suspect for Blue, and I wanted to get your thoughts on what DocH has been up to.
I need to go back to work, but will post much more later. Mafia-hunting takes time, and we still have plenty for this day. Will be on tonight.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
^Posted in response to this:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2010 02:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Radfield you were wrong that I asked people to roleclaim to me. You can soften it up all you want talking about implications and the likes, but the fact is you twisted what I was saying to make it sound like I wanted people to roleclaim to me which is what I didn't want. Then you parrot the exact same thing I was actually saying to make it sound like you had the safe idea all along.
No you shouldn't be on the trail of scum at the end of night one. But as far as I know you've been a sitting duck in PMs and of zero to no use in this thread except now to come out with the weak bandwagon on Annul. I feel like this bandwagon has been pre-chosen by mafia as the easy choice, so I'll ask you.
Would you be willing to switch to Aeres instead? He showcases the same sort of behavior (lots of posts with no contribution). What about Glasse?
PM games are far harder to scumhunt? Not at all, most of the people who came across as scummy to me and who I now expect made it much worse for themselves in PMs. Maybe if you made an attempt to scumhunt in PMs you'd be helpful. But it didn't seem that was the case, even in your PMs with me.
PMs favor the good over the bad and in games where everybody is good, they favor the town. It is a huge advantage for mafia that they can change subjects, direct town attention elsewhere when the heat comes on them, with PMs that possibility is marginalized because players can apply the pressure directly. It becomes too scummy to ignore it so mafia players are forced to react until the town player is satisfied. Considering you're one of the better players in this game your lack of abuse of the PM system is startling.
It's several posts that I find scummy, PMs that I find scummy (which I still need to post I was waiting for pandain too but he never did), your lack of overall contribution, your desperate attempt to appear as "pro-town" as possible with your rhetoric without ever contributing to the game at hand, and even now your scumhunting is weak.
If scumhunting was priority #1 why not start PMing and trying to make these players slip-up? You don't even have any PMs with annul? That says to me you never really thought he was mafia in the first place if you know what I mean.
Like I said, I'm willing to switch over to JimboSilvers if your scumhunting is supposedly of such value.
Again, are you willing to lynch or kill an alternative target to Annul that has similar posting behavior? Annul is NOT playing like scum and I have observed both as scum and as town. He's playing like he does when he is town.
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On December 02 2010 17:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it would not have been difficult for the mafia to snipe coagulation as he was as somebody put "my butt-buddy" and a few other people knew and guessed that he was the medic.
Just to point this out, the knowledge of Coag being medic likely means that someone with experiance, who knows Coag's play style is mafia. This would mean that we can't assume that the mafia is bad at what they do.
Given that the mafia has at least some experiance, they will likely try as hard as possible to look good. Townies are the ones who wouldn't care about looking scummy, and quite honestly, the ones that are obviously scummy are least suspect to me.
It's the ones who look good, but when looked at very, very closely don't add relevent useful information. Radfield is a perfect example. He gave good solid advise the first day. He even got me to read VER's analysis of Mafia XXX (Though, to be honest, I haven't finished it.). This got me to believe that he was very much blue. But then, I was more of a noob then, than now. Looking over his posts agian, he never followed his advice on the post analysis, and cited a lack of informaiton day 1. I call BS. The only thing you can do Day 1 is Post analysis to get information. (Sure, form a circle, but that doesn't give information till at least day 2) There wasn't a lack.
When I sent that PM, I was honestly of the opinion that he was Blue, and DrH was GF.
I was looking for someone to preview my analysis of DrH before I posted it, and turned to Rad. I was hoping that Rad was NOT in DrH's PM circle, so that I could trust him to keep it away from DrH till I posted it.
The way DrH and Radfield have responded to the presure of analysis has made me change my mind as to who is who. Since I called DrH out for not analyzing, DrH has posted good, deep analysises of other players. He didn't even bother to respond and defend himslef and his actions with words, he acted right away.
Radfield has only really spent his time defending himself, and has continued to post anything of benefit to the town. If he wants to come up and post some useful analysis of a player, I may change my mind about him.
Vote Radfield.
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Durp.
Radfield has only really spent his time defending himself, and has continued to not post anything of benefit to the town.
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If I would say, I'll be more active. I would be lying. But I'm here for the votes and will be back tomorrow!
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On December 03 2010 04:16 Kavdragon wrote:
Durp.
Radfield has only really spent his time defending himself, and has continued to not post anything of benefit to the town.
I was supportive of lynching inactives during the very beginning of this game but as I have realized, "inactive" describes half of the town. At this point we've had quite a few replacements as well which results in a very slim amount of people actually having a decent-sized post count (without even considering benefical posts) barring spam. While inactive may be unhelpful to town, I suspect that there are about 3 mafia hiding within the inactive pool while the others are either defending themselves right now or sheeping along. Ideally we want to find the active mafia, get the town involved in discussion thereby reducing the number of inactives and providing material for analysis, and rinse and repeat until victory. While I'm not saying that your judgement is incorrect, I'd rather search for mafia-esque behaviour rather than lack of town behaviour now. My apologies for using "inactive player" and "player who fails to contribute anything useful" interchangeably.
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EBWOP: This is not directed at you directly Kavdragon, I just forgot to take that quote out.
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hey peeps,
allow me to interject the awesomeness of this game to advertise the fact that HARRY POTTER MAFIA is forming! it will go down once this game finishes. i really like the role list and setup for this one (i am biased of course) and it will be pwnage and awesome.
go go play sign up lets rock this biiiitch <3
edit: formatting
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