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This is a game that goes by extremely quickly and will probably blow over before Insane Mafia is done and deconduo can start his real mini mafia game. This game is a result of me having way too much time on my hands and curious as to how the format will work out.
Assassin In The Palace
Assassin in the Palace is a 9-person mafia setup with 7 bodyguards, 1 king, and 1 assassin. The bodyguards all know the name of the king. The king does not know the name of the bodyguards. The assassin does not know the name of the king. Every day the town must lynch one person. The day lasts 48 hours, there will be no night. The day will end immediately if everybody votes.
Roles and Goals:
Bodyguard - You know who the king is! It is your job to protect his identity and find and lynch the assassin amongst your ranks. You have no real special powers, but your analysis will save his majesty.
King - You are the King! You don't know anybodies identity, but you do know that an assassin hides amongst your loyal bodyguards. You fear for your life and you must contribute whatever you can to out the deadly assassin.
Assassin - You are the Assassin. At any point in the game you can PM me the name of the person you want to kill. You can only kill once and if you do not kill the king with your one hit, you will lose the game. Your goal is to determine who the king is and kill him before you get lynched. If you get lynched, you will have a chance to put in a hit before you die. Your win condition takes precedence over the bodyguards/king win condition.
Voting is to be done in this thread with the following format: ##Vote: DoctorHelvetica
Sign-up list:
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
5. DarthThienAn (Bodyguard)
6. bumatlarge
7.CubEdIn (Bodyguard)
8. youngminii
9. bereft (Bodyguard)
The game will begin when the sign-ups are filled. All rules/etiquette from previous mafia games apply. No spamming, flaming, after-death posting. There are NO PMs and NO clues in this game. Good luck.
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Sounds fun, I'll definetly try it.
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This ought to be interesting.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Will you follow the banlist?
And will this count as a "penalty game" if you do follow it?
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No, I don't really care. You can be in my game if you want.
If you trust me not to ruin it that is :p
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
:/ That was really to make Fishball the Mayor, in an "anything goes" mentality. Sorry about that.
If you'll allow me, I'd like to /in. :D
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I Have a feeling i wont be in insane mafia too much longer.
/IN plz DOCH I <3 YOU PLZ DONT BE MAD AT ME.
Actually to be honest..
I feel like some people (not mentioning any names) kinda take the game too serious and hold grudges outside of the mafia games.. and i have honestly contemplated not playing anymore because I feel like its shitty to have people think bad of you cause of it.
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/in
this will be interesting
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Can I ask, though, that since there are 9 people, we make the day max. 24h even if not all 9 have voted? I'm thinking of the scenario where 7-8 people voted and 2 have not, and we gotta drag on for 24+ hours for the other 2 votes which most likely won't change much.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
How about this. If there is a majority vote, the day ends within 1 hour. (To give time for vote changes)
scratch that. Bad idea. -_-
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i dont actually want to play, but can i get a rolelist so i can watch how it plays out? :<
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/in
saw this once in Mafiascum and seemed pretty much fun.
Edit: too late, nvm
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Ahhh having no PMs in this game could be so silly T_T
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omg /in
edit: fuck, not fair i was in class 
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On November 06 2010 00:18 flamewheel wrote:
Ahhh having no PMs in this game could be so silly T_T
well it'd be insta-town win 
All bodyguards message the king, bam you know who the assassin is. day 1 win.
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when the king dies, I will be sad if you don't play "The King is dead" by helstar or the megadeth song where the chorus is like "the king is dead long live the king the king is dead" then I AM THE KING
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Alright, I'll begin the game shortly. I have an interview this morning so just wait patiently for your role PMs.
On November 05 2010 16:41 Coagulation wrote:
I Have a feeling i wont be in insane mafia too much longer.
/IN plz DOCH I <3 YOU PLZ DONT BE MAD AT ME.
Actually to be honest..
I feel like some people (not mentioning any names) kinda take the game too serious and hold grudges outside of the mafia games.. and i have honestly contemplated not playing anymore because I feel like its shitty to have people think bad of you cause of it.
I don't hold grudges over mafia. I don't think you're good at this game but that doesn't mean I have anything against you as a person.
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On November 06 2010 01:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't think you're good at this game
BURNNNNNNNNN
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Oh, orgolove playing in DH's game!
Nice to see that you guys finally had things sorted out.
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On November 06 2010 01:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Alright, I'll begin the game shortly. I have an interview this morning so just wait patiently for your role PMs. Show nested quote +On November 05 2010 16:41 Coagulation wrote:
I Have a feeling i wont be in insane mafia too much longer.
/IN plz DOCH I <3 YOU PLZ DONT BE MAD AT ME.
Actually to be honest..
I feel like some people (not mentioning any names) kinda take the game too serious and hold grudges outside of the mafia games.. and i have honestly contemplated not playing anymore because I feel like its shitty to have people think bad of you cause of it. I don't hold grudges over mafia. I don't think you're good at this game but that doesn't mean I have anything against you as a person.
I don't think very many people hold grudges outside the game unless you're doing something to really piss them off (trolling/flaming/etc - generally something that will get you modkilled if you do it enough). However, judgments about skill level are inevitable.
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On November 06 2010 00:49 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 00:18 flamewheel wrote:
Ahhh having no PMs in this game could be so silly T_T well it'd be insta-town win All bodyguards message the king, bam you know who the assassin is. day 1 win.
Unless assassin kills king before teh lynch on the first day =o
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seRapH pretty much just listed the sure win scenario. (I never read the rules until I saw HeavOnEarth's post up top)
The key point here, is all Bodyguards knows who their king is. This can be abused so hard.
Aside from the King, the Assassin is the only real one looking for information. The Bodyguards don't need to find out who each other are, and they don't need to talk, as in to "generate" discussion.
If no one talks, the Assassin gets nothing. All he can do is to pick a target and hit randomly.
Also, this "plan" will still work, even if bodyguards do NOT know who their King is. Basically, no one in the game needs to talk, at all. Whoever tries to fish, bam, your assassin.
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There's one main reason I don't like this game, since mafia don't know who mayor is if they make one single accusatory post towards him its basically GG for them. So it's really all luck-based for mafia survival, either that or they have to play EXTREMELY passively.
So I don't think you should have people know who the king is. In addition, it would make things much more interesting.
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On November 06 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:
There's one main reason I don't like this game, since mafia don't know who mayor is if they make one single accusatory post towards him its basically GG for them. So it's really all luck-based for mafia survival, either that or they have to play EXTREMELY passively.
So I don't think you should have people know who the king is. In addition, it would make things much more interesting.
Read my post above, it still wouldn't work
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On November 06 2010 03:51 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:
There's one main reason I don't like this game, since mafia don't know who mayor is if they make one single accusatory post towards him its basically GG for them. So it's really all luck-based for mafia survival, either that or they have to play EXTREMELY passively.
So I don't think you should have people know who the king is. In addition, it would make things much more interesting. Read my post above, it still wouldn't work
well the problem is you still have to lynch, no?
Of course if you do just random voting, no talking like that(lol would be hilarious), if mafia vote for the king its gg
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I retract all I said, since I haven't read the OP entirely, and seRapH's post. He was quoting someone else.
"There are NO PM's in the game".
I do have alternate plans, but I rather keep my mouth shut now.
Sorry for the interruption, ahem. I blame my boring lunch break.
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On November 06 2010 03:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 03:51 Fishball wrote:On November 06 2010 03:49 Pandain wrote:
There's one main reason I don't like this game, since mafia don't know who mayor is if they make one single accusatory post towards him its basically GG for them. So it's really all luck-based for mafia survival, either that or they have to play EXTREMELY passively.
So I don't think you should have people know who the king is. In addition, it would make things much more interesting. Read my post above, it still wouldn't work well the problem is you still have to lynch, no? Of course if you do just random voting, no talking like that(lol would be hilarious), if mafia vote for the king its gg
Not exactly. People jump on the Assassin for voting for king? I wonder who the Assassin will hit? Also, it becomes obvious when everyone is suspiciously avoiding voting for 1 player. Bodyguards will definitely vote for king.
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On November 06 2010 03:41 Fishball wrote:
seRapH pretty much just listed the sure win scenario. (I never read the rules until I saw HeavOnEarth's post up top)
The key point here, is all Bodyguards knows who their king is. This can be abused so hard.
Aside from the King, the Assassin is the only real one looking for information. The Bodyguards don't need to find out who each other are, and they don't need to talk, as in to "generate" discussion.
If no one talks, the Assassin gets nothing. All he can do is to pick a target and hit randomly.
Also, this "plan" will still work, even if bodyguards do NOT know who their King is. Basically, no one in the game needs to talk, at all. Whoever tries to fish, bam, your assassin.
So I'm guessing your thinking something like this?
+ Show Spoiler + Every day, lynch a random person that isn't the king. Have someone immediately decide on someone to kill.
The assassin will have a have a 7/8*6/7*5/6*4/5*3/4*2/3=1/4th chance of surviving to Lylo. And then a 50% chance of surviving lylo to win.
So basically the assassin has a 12.5% chance of winning.
Problem, all the assassin has to do is to propose to lynch the king.
The bodyguards will have to play along or the assassin will know something is wrong, and just assassinate the king.
Then the Assassin wins. So actually, nothing really changes in the game. If the Assassin guessing the king correctly, he wins. In fact, he can get multiple guesses by suggesting different people every time.
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being quiet will make this game suck
you guys need to talk ok
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Day 1
The King of Liquidia sat nervously on his throne. He had been given intelligence that an invading assassin from the neighboring rival kingdom, GosuGameria, had infiltrated the ranks of his bodyguards.
He would have to be careful. If his identity was discovered, he would surely meet an ill fate. Every day he would meet with his bodyguards, dressed in common garb, and they would discuss the matter at hand. Surely the evil mole would out himself...
The peace of Liquidia rests on it.
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This game is going to be an exercise in psychology.
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"No PMs in this game"
DrH pm'd me. Modkill?
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It'd be nice if people started participating...
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On November 06 2010 08:01 Node wrote:
It'd be nice if people started participating...
IM THE KING
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Well let's think of a strategy for this, nine people, seven are body guards, one is king and one is assasin. I can clear 2 people, myself and the king. however everyone else can say the same thing and we'll be stuck. The way I see it the body guards are going to have to tip eachother off to the king's indentity. I propose we make a code that uses the king's name as the pass key, the assasin could theoritically crack this by trying every possiblity but we could not use the king's name directly and use something close to the name in order to maintain secrecy. to show what I'm talking about I'll deliver a short message to the body guards
Sorry Doctor H
To decode this take the king's name, give each letter a numerical value and add this word to the king's name. Remeber this is a base twenty six system so just start over at one if you ever get to twenty seven. if you have a zero just change it to one. I might have changed things up just a little to make it more confusing but I believe that it'll be safer that way. If this actually works and you understood what I wrote do not post the answer in the thread, encrypt your own message and post that instead.
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If I understand correctly what you're proposing with this code,
couldn't the assassin just try everybody's name until they get something coherent, especially since this game has so few people?
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DOCH requested the code be edited.
has just revealed the kings identity to assassin
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Oh shit... Meapak haha I hope the assassin isn't persistent enough to do that.
There's an easier way. The assassin doesn't know how many characters the PM for the bodyguards was. Let me make it clear - DrH did -not- write a simple PM for the bodyguards (you should know what I'm talking about).
Can we not conceivably make a key based on the words in the PM?
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my pm was extremely simple.. i dunno what you mean by he did not write a simple pm
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How about we don't do anything that would show king's identity, how about that? What the fuck is the point anyway, the only one who doesn't know is the assassin (lol, stupid assassin, you suck!), why would we bother making a circle when the slightest mistake could lose use the game?
If you ask me, the assassin's chances are very low, all town has to do is not fuck up and lynch based on behavior.
Also, the more I think about it, the more this game makes no sense. So there's a town where ppl don't know what the king looks like, but he has bodyguards who know who he is, and one of them just happens to be an assassin, who doesn't know who the king is.
Some kingdom!
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Also why the hell are you people PMing?
I agree that we can make an algorithm that would use the king's name as the key, but all the assassin has to do is try out all 8 names and see which fits. No?
In order to have a TOUGH algorithm, you'll have to use ALL player's names, in combinations, so that it's just too much to try out.
For example (JUST AN EXAMPLE), look at the list, take the king's name, use some encoding, then use the player 2 spots under him, use coding again, then add/subtract player's name 3 spots above, multiply by player name 1 spot under him, and so on. Just so that it would take hours for someone who already knows the name to figure out the coding, and would take days to try all variants, unless you write a computer program for it.
Hmm, so no, no code pls. Just logic k tnx.
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hm well the role pms would be prett easy to fake, mine was very simple although I recieved two different pms, can any other body guard tell me what the second one was about? If you can it'll confirm you. I don't know if this happened to the other body guards but if it did it would be a pretty easy way to confirm each other... of course the assasin could just fake that as well.
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So did I, it said I'm the king.
Now what?
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@ coag: so it would be kinda hard to create a code around role pms
@cubedin: what sort of logic would you like to apply? without any information about eachother we're stuck guessing and that's not very fun. you guys are all right, the body guards could win by lynching someone who's not the king every night, we could each take turns choosing the lynch so that way the assasin couldn't hide. but the assasin could get lucky and not lynch the king when his turn came around and would therefore be above suspicion. The game would eventually come down to a lylo unless the town got lucky. I don't want to rely on luck, this is a minigame and I'm playing to have fun. If we can come up with a creative way to find the assasin rather than just blind luck that would be fun, if we sit around and play the no talking game that would be unfun.
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Well, I guess it's fun to you to make-up codes, but I joined thinking it would be a 100% arguments/logic/guessing game. Basically what you're doing is this:
Make up a code and hope that at least the other 7 bodyguards will be on, and have the patience to crack it before the Assassin has the chance to simply try all names.
If you can come up with a smarter type of code, maybe based 50% on facts and 50% on guessing, I'm all in, but this way it's just a number-crunching contest. No thanks.
P.S.: Wtf do you mean Coag? 2 Kings?
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if the assassin is smart meapak you just ruined my game on day 1 congrats
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Frankly, I think that attempting to game the system with codes and shit both defeats the purpose and has the possibility of backfiring -- as it's entirely possible Meapak's code already has. (in which case, we're all screwed anyways, unless he had the foresight to use a false king or is the assassin)
And since apparently people missed it, no PMs with the exception of mod/role PMs.
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Also I suggest to kill non-talkies. We know who the king is so no risk of lynching him. And bodyguards have to reason at all to keep silent. And if you force the assassin to post, you can simply judge by his posts.
I got a bunch of ideas as well but most of them have either a loop hole or an exploit. I can't find something that's giving us even a higher than 50% of catching the assassin. This is mostly because he gets to make a move before we lynch. Damn this game was intelligently conceived.
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I suggest that if the assassin figured it out due to the "code" he should just claim so and re-shuffle roles. I don't want this to blow over in 3 hours because someone couldn't keep it in his pants!
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Ah I see what you mean cube, we'll have to find better means of communication. what do you say we go through a list of inactives and decide which ones we want to lynch?
doc h has been playing to much insane mafia, it's gone to his head and he's created two kings. This is actually pretty bad because I only got one of you as the king in my role pm... there's the possibility that there are two assasins. Or maybe some of us got one king and some of us got another.
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Also, I'm going to bed. I can do so, for I am the king. You noobs protect me good k? Bye.
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On November 06 2010 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ah I see what you mean cube, we'll have to find better means of communication. what do you say we go through a list of inactives and decide which ones we want to lynch?
doc h has been playing to much insane mafia, it's gone to his head and he's created two kings. This is actually pretty bad because I only got one of you as the king in my role pm... there's the possibility that there are two assasins. Or maybe some of us got one king and some of us got another.
Well yeah. The town's strongest weapon is the fact that the assassin only has ONE shot. All we have to do is convince him that someone other than me is the king. Easy peasy.
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I'm starting to think that cube is the assasin, I hid some things in my code that a real body guard would recognize but I think he missed them...
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I've decided talking in code breaks the game. There is to be no discussion of code and no use of role pm's or anything like that as a decoder/fishing tactic. I consider it cheating. This is a psychological game not a test for wannabe codebreakers.
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Right. Do you think I even tried your code? Why would I?
And also, I think you're overlooking the fact that the other people didn't really bother to try/answer either. And the in-actives.
I suggest we lynch you for almost revealing the king and accusing me after claiming I'm the king, so you could get your free-confirmation.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
Booya.
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You make a really strong case there cube, I think I'm gonna bandwagon on this one.
## Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Well you're as good a guess as any. Most lynches will be fairly random in this game, so might as well start with the guy that jeopardized the king the most, no?
ima gonna go sleep forealz now!
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meapak please edit the code out of your post on page 3, thanks
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On November 06 2010 10:20 CubEdIn wrote:
Well you're as good a guess as any. Most lynches will be fairly random in this game, so might as well start with the guy that jeopardized the king the most, no?
ima gonna go sleep forealz now!
In order to jeopardize him I have to know who he is right?
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So uhh, let's get this baby rolling.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Aww just as I was all ready with the ciper and stuff, this comes up.
Btw coagulation, you still have the code in your quote -_-
I doubt Meapak is the assassin, as I don't think an assassin would start up so soon with the idea of an encrypted message based on the King's name.
But I further doubt Meapak's story about his 2 role PMs. care to explain?
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
CubedIn's arguments to denounce Meapak is invalid. What he's done, at best, was to try to create an internal communications system among bodyguards. At worst, he still managed to confuse the Assassin. In fact, The very argument he uses, that Meapak jeopardized the mayor points toward him being a bodyguard - if he does know the name of the Mayor, then we'll only be helping the Assassin by increasing his chances of hitting the King.
I'm actually surprised by the ferocity of CubedIn's attack on Meapak, and by how eager he's been to lynch him. Anything to improve your chances, eh? Your post reeks of an assassin frustrated after being unable to crack Meapak's code.
##Vote CubedIn
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Yeah, to me CubedIn's attempt to incriminate Meapak reek of "you accused me, so I accuse you", which is a big no-no as far as townie play goes. He is coming off very suspicious in my book, and I believe he is the best candidate for assassin so far.
[b]##Vote CubedIn[\b]
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You guys sure do like to do whatever the fuck you want and disregard what everyone says about anything. Did you not read fishball's post? Are you daft? Fine do the opposite, you guys are going to give the killer one hell of a shot if you just assume things and start ignoring people when we are only 4 pages in.
On November 06 2010 03:41 Fishball wrote:seRapH pretty much just listed the sure win scenario. (I never read the rules until I saw HeavOnEarth's post up top)
The key point here, is all Bodyguards knows who their king is. This can be abused so hard.
Aside from the King, the Assassin is the only real one looking for information. The Bodyguards don't need to find out who each other are, and they don't need to talk, as in to "generate" discussion.
If no one talks, the Assassin gets nothing. All he can do is to pick a target and hit randomly.
Also, this "plan" will still work, even if bodyguards do NOT know who their King is. Basically, no one in the game needs to talk, at all. Whoever tries to fish, bam, your assassin.
In a slight response, I think your idea is strong, but it will never happen, and it already got shat to shit.
Also, remember that
Assassin - You are the Assassin. At any point in the game you can PM me the name of the person you want to kill. You can only kill once and if you do not kill the king with your one hit, you will lose the game. Your goal is to determine who the king is and kill him before you get lynched. If you get lynched, you will have a chance to put in a hit before you die. Your win condition takes precedence over the bodyguards/king win condition.
Anytime. BGs have to be careful how they respond, one chink in the chain and assasin has his job half done. Obviously BGs can confuse, but that would make us lean toward lynching this BG out of necessity.
For instance, assasin knows this meapak will not be the king. There is no PM coordination and 3 people have already voted him. Of course we will kill him now, but we do need to watch who is voting what. The BGs have to be a little bit more discreet. I respect meapak's willingness to die, but he has to know that every time a BG dies, the assasin increases his chances. We want to get him lynched early BECAUSE HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE A CHANCE TO KILL. He just sends the PM before then and he gets a kill.
Fairly certain everyone who voted already is a BG, or else a very clever or bold assasin is amoung them.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
As DrH mentioned, staying silent will completely take the fun out of the game. Though that is the "optimum" strategy, the host wants interaction. So we give him interaction...
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On November 06 2010 13:21 orgolove wrote:
As DrH mentioned, staying silent will completely take the fun out of the game. Though that is the "optimum" strategy, the host wants interaction. So we give him interaction...
Of course, but completely straying from the general idea is just being obnoxious. You don't need to create scenes in mafia, it just happens. But I guess you guys are all the drama we need so, have fun with that split vote that already gives alot of info. I'll be keeping to myself.
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Staying silent's not really the optimum strategy, it's just a lazy strategy. There's a 1/8 chance we'll lynch the assassin, and a 7/8 chance that we'll lynch a bodyguard. If everyone's silent, it'll just wittle down the number of people and right when the assassin's about to get lynched (by some form of rng I assume), he'll just take a random stab at the small amount of people left.
Surely interaction is a better method.
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Oops. Forgot bolding.
##Vote CubedIn
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Well then, what would you have us (me) do? After all, CubedIn was the one who opened the can of worms. It's up to us to deal with it now.
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To explain my role PMs, I received one telling me I was body guard and the second telling me the name of the king. I thought if that had happened to anyone else they could state the nature of their second PM and we'd know they were telling the truth.
I feel strongly that cube is the assassin because he's made several statements that don't line up. However my opinion is not worth much seeing as my gambit failed.
unvote Meapak_Ziphh
vote cubedin
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Hoho, game has begun.
For instance, assasin knows this meapak will not be the king. There is no PM coordination and 3 people have already voted him. Of course we will kill him now, but we do need to watch who is voting what. The BGs have to be a little bit more discreet. I respect meapak's willingness to die, but he has to know that every time a BG dies, the assasin increases his chances.
Why would you respect Meapak's willingness to die??? I'm pretty sure Meapak was joking with his self-vote; at least, I certain hope that he was. There is absolutely no point for anybody to be self-sacrificial. All the bodyguards know who the king is. Therefore, trying to get one of the other 7 players lynched over oneself has a better chance of hitting an assassin (1/7) versus sacrificing oneself (0/7). There's never going to be a circumstance where the King is going to get lynched, so there's no point in voting for Meapak if people strongly believe that he's a bodyguard.
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Oops... Meapak posted while I was writing my own. Quote above by bumatlarge btw.
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I got nothing right now, but
##Vote: CubEdIn
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Haha, good job guys. He accuses me, I say no tnx, I think you're the one who's being suspicious, and that's "ferocious"?
Ok, enjoy your lynch.
But just as a thought, if I WERE the assassin, wouldn't I try all possible variants and pick a target before I die?
I mean, there's one in eight chance that I'll get it right anyway.
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On November 06 2010 18:50 CubEdIn wrote:
Haha, good job guys. He accuses me, I say no tnx, I think you're the one who's being suspicious, and that's "ferocious"?
Ok, enjoy your lynch.
But just as a thought, if I WERE the assassin, wouldn't I try all possible variants and pick a target before I die?
I mean, there's one in eight chance that I'll get it right anyway.
lolwut. I don't get what your point is. Obviously IF you are the assassin and about to be lynch you'll use your kill tonight?
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You should be getting my point from the post. If you don't, you're just a bad mafia player.
But as I said, I don't mind. Just remember who pushed this wagon down the hill in the first place.
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P.S.:
After I get lynched, know that you're going ahead in this game following people that didn't realize that if PMs were allowed, the game would be over in 5 minutes:
1. Everyone PMs "I am bodyguard" to the king.
2. The king PMs everyone back telling them which player didn't send his PM.
3. Everyone lynches the assassin.
There we go.
The only chance assassin would have against this is if he PMd one random person and that person would be the king. Go Go 16,6% chance!
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On November 06 2010 09:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm starting to think that cube is the assasin, I hid some things in my code that a real body guard would recognize but I think he missed them...
On November 06 2010 10:09 CubEdIn wrote:
Right. Do you think I even tried your code? Why would I?
And also, I think you're overlooking the fact that the other people didn't really bother to try/answer either. And the in-actives.
I suggest we lynch you for almost revealing the king and accusing me after claiming I'm the king, so you could get your free-confirmation.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
Booya.
Haha, good job guys. He accuses me, I say no tnx, I think you're the one who's being suspicious, and that's "ferocious"?
Yes...quite.
##Vote CubEdIn
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Day 2
The royal assembly had made a decision. CubEdIn was to be sent to the guillotine.
CubEdIn closed his eyes and as the blade dropped he yelled his final words. "Long live the king!"
CubEdIn the Bodyguard has died.
The second day has begun and a lowly assassin still lurks amongst the ranks of the palace. The king has became a bit more nervous. Good luck.
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On November 07 2010 11:41 Coagulation wrote:
vote orgolove
What is this? Just voting randomly for the hell of it?
Care to justify what you're doing?
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Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.
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Ah fuck. my CubedIn vote was based on his irrational aggression against Meapak. It was the first day - not much we can do.
Screw you coagulation. god damn you are a terrible mafia player. I don't think you're the assassin, but man, you are terrible and might as well be one. It's almost like we're playing against two assassins here - coagulation and the real one.
From DrHelvetica's reaction after Meapak tried to use his code, I think it's safe to say Meapak isn't the assassin - if I as a host saw the assassin fishing for information via a fake code, I probably would've let him go thinking it an ingenious plan.
And Node seems quite pro-town, considering he's against busing someone without reason. An assassin would want lynches ASAP.
I doubt bumatlarge is an assassin either, based on his reactions to the code revelation and coagulation's shit against meapak. (These two are really experienced - I may well be fooled by their silver tongue, but there's not much else to go at this point).
And youngminii also doesn't look like the assassin because he's also trying to slow down the lynches.
Bereft... I don't know. On the one hand, he was quite reasonable in pointing out the 0/7 chance of getting the assassin when voting against Meapak vs 1/7 chance when voting vs anyone else. But On the other hand, he was really persistent on killing off CubedIn. - And the faster the bodyguards are killed off, the easier it is for the assassin.
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn
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Especially this:
On November 06 2010 16:38 DarthThienAn wrote:
I got nothing right now, but
##Vote: CubEdIn
"I got Nothing"
Of course the assassin 'got nothing" - he has no information. LOL
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I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO
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On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.
Keep in mind that the best time for the assassin to start a bandwagon is at the beginning of the game. There's a far lower chance of accidentally catching the king -- not to mention that if everybody insta-switches to the king-accuser it will quickly become obvious that he guessed correctly.
Keep a very close eye on who starts bandwagons at this point.
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I just realized I would really like this game^^
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Yeah Orgolove I agree with your reasoning for darth. At this point I also think orgolove and node are body guards because they are saying the right things for a body guard. Not much we can do about Coag my guess is he's a body guard but you never know.
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If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^?
I'll agree that Coag is unlikely to be assassin, based on this:
On November 06 2010 09:24 Coagulation wrote:
i only got 1 pm
when Meapak was fishing with his 2 PMs nonsense.
On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn
So what's the basis of your vote? That I've been too quiet? Again, if I was the assassin, the best strategy would be to a) post "pro-town" and convince people that I'm a bodyguard, or b) fish for information and make the quickest kill possible, as opposed to focusing on survival.
Anyway,
On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO
I wouldn't throw out bum and Node necessarily from this list. But.
##Vote: Bereft
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Well played guys. Good luck with this, I liked that you didn't even bother reading my posts.
Also, in a game of 9 people, it must be pretty convenient to be able to start shit and bandwagon on the guy who defends himself.
GL assassin, I hope you pay more attention than the rest.
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Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose? i.e. Coagulation mentioned that he only received one PM from you, but Meapak mentioned he received two PMs. If both are bodyguards, then it means you sent these two different role PMs despite being in the same role. Did you send different PMs?
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On November 07 2010 17:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^?
Not necessarily. Just sit back, occasionally defend yourself, throw in a vote here and there (the less justification, the better), say a lot without saying anything. Watch as the number of bodyguards dwindles, and then when people finally figure out you aren't who you say you are, throw a knife at the person who has miraculously escaped suspicion.
I'm not buying it.
##Vote DarthThienAn
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On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO
I agree with bum here. If Darth flips blue, it's probably gonna be between Bereft and youngminii.
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On November 08 2010 05:37 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 16:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel the assassin is among Bereft, youngminii, and darth. But can't say anything for certain. Maybe if everyone does a dance and we will crown the best dancer as successor. I actually missed meapak's actual code, but I don't really care. If he was very clever he could have led it to someone different. But Dr.H makes it seem otherwise.
Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO I agree with bum here. If Darth flips blue, it's probably gonna be between Bereft and youngminii.
By blue you mean green? I'd only be blue if I was the king, which I clearly am not, since you all want to kill me ^^. It's nice to know that orgolove's really good at starting bandwagons though.
On November 08 2010 05:16 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 17:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
If I was the assassin, wouldn't I be fishing for information ^^? Not necessarily. Just sit back, occasionally defend yourself, throw in a vote here and there (the less justification, the better), say a lot without saying anything. Watch as the number of bodyguards dwindles, and then when people finally figure out you aren't who you say you are, throw a knife at the person who has miraculously escaped suspicion. I'm not buying it. ##Vote DarthThienAn
Again, there's no point in not saying anything if I'm the assassin. I'm not a noob, and saying nothing obviously attracts attention. Saying "pro-town" things and pretending like I'm part of the town is the easiest way to dodge attention. "Say a lot without saying anything," basically. Have I been doing that? Have I been trying to paint myself as a goody-goody bodyguard? No.
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member?
Again, I wouldn't necessarily clear anyone quite yet, other than Coag, for reasons I stated earlier. Meapak leans clear because of his code shenanigans, I guess, as well.
I guess there's no way to make it more obvious that I'm a bodyguard though. zzz.
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Hopefully I can point out something obvious here:
On November 07 2010 11:41 Coagulation wrote:
vote orgolove
On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
Ah fuck. my CubedIn vote was based on his irrational aggression against Meapak. It was the first day - not much we can do.
Screw you coagulation. god damn you are a terrible mafia player. I don't think you're the assassin, but man, you are terrible and might as well be one. It's almost like we're playing against two assassins here - coagulation and the real one.
From DrHelvetica's reaction after Meapak tried to use his code, I think it's safe to say Meapak isn't the assassin - if I as a host saw the assassin fishing for information via a fake code, I probably would've let him go thinking it an ingenious plan.
And Node seems quite pro-town, considering he's against busing someone without reason. An assassin would want lynches ASAP.
I doubt bumatlarge is an assassin either, based on his reactions to the code revelation and coagulation's shit against meapak. (These two are really experienced - I may well be fooled by their silver tongue, but there's not much else to go at this point).
And youngminii also doesn't look like the assassin because he's also trying to slow down the lynches.
Bereft... I don't know. On the one hand, he was quite reasonable in pointing out the 0/7 chance of getting the assassin when voting against Meapak vs 1/7 chance when voting vs anyone else. But On the other hand, he was really persistent on killing off CubedIn. - And the faster the bodyguards are killed off, the easier it is for the assassin.
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn
orgolove gets voted for, and immediately votes someone else, saying I have the highest chance of assassin because all I've done so far is vote. Seriously? This isn't a game where we can afford to just "lynch all inactives," or "lynch people we think aren't talking enough."
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
5. DarkThienAn
6. bumatlarge
7.CubEdIn (Bodyguard)
8. youngminii
9. bereft
8 players right now, and every bodyguard we lose, the assassin gets another 5% (on average) closer to hitting the king just based on chance. So seriously, don't waste our time and kill me.
On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.
I guess the difference between me and you is our opinion of orgolove. It's a nice position (for an assassin) to be the one controlling the bandwagons, no?
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I honestly haven't played enough with any of you to really tell how you play in which role. bumatlarge, as a blue while in Insane Mafia, was plenty pro-town early in the game, just as he is now active in this game. Youngminii was a real ass as a vampire in Haunted, but he's been reasonable this game. I haven't seen you before, Darth.
Youngminii hasn't contributed much this game, but he's still been more pro-town than you. All you contributed to our first loss was :"I have nothing, here's my bandwagon vote." Nice....
Your responses after you are accused do smell more like a bodyguard than an assassin. But it may well be you throwing up a smokescreen to delay your kill until the last possible moment.
But so far, my assessment is that either you, Bereft, or youngminii is the assassin. we'll see after the lynch goes through.
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On November 08 2010 09:24 orgolove wrote:
I honestly haven't played enough with any of you to really tell how you play in which role. bumatlarge, as a blue while in Insane Mafia, was plenty pro-town early in the game, just as he is now active in this game. Youngminii was a real ass as a vampire in Haunted, but he's been reasonable this game. I haven't seen you before, Darth.
Youngminii hasn't contributed much this game, but he's still been more pro-town than you. All you contributed to our first loss was :"I have nothing, here's my bandwagon vote." Nice....
Your responses after you are accused do smell more like a bodyguard than an assassin. But it may well be you throwing up a smokescreen to delay your kill until the last possible moment.
But so far, my assessment is that either you, Bereft, or youngminii is the assassin. we'll see after the lynch goes through.
Clearly you missed the point of my last couple posts, if you're going to be content with lynching me. But oh well. That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that.
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What is this "point" you are talking about, other than you saying your posting pattern is indicative of a bodyguard? -_- I understand far more than you that the assassin gets closer to hitting the king with every bodyguard kill. But we're doing far more than just killing an inactive - you clearly revealed you "have nothing right now" i.e. no information. Only an assassin has NO information in this game - the rest all know the king's name.
On November 08 2010 09:51 DarthThienAn wrote:
That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that.
lol.....
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On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member?
When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol
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On November 08 2010 10:11 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member? When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol
Yeah, you weren't defending me ;;. Neither is bum >=[.
On November 08 2010 09:57 orgolove wrote:What is this "point" you are talking about, other than you saying your posting pattern is indicative of a bodyguard? -_- I understand far more than you that the assassin gets closer to hitting the king with every bodyguard kill. But we're doing far more than just killing an inactive - you clearly revealed you "have nothing right now" i.e. no information. Only an assassin has NO information in this game - the rest all know the king's name. Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:51 DarthThienAn wrote:
That either makes you the assassin, or incredibly stupid. Lynch orgolove tomorrow plz, maybe bereft/YM after that. lol.....
1. If I'm the assassin, am I really going to admit something like that?
2. If I'm the assassin, am I really going to sit back and do nothing like I did day 1?
zzz.
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Well, I'm waiting for others to post their own analyses. So far I'm the only one really looking at people, and I've been wrong in the first day... so I won't mind if others also jump in as well.
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At this point I'm back on the fence with Darth. His posting has been fairly level headed since being accused and I don't blame him too much for his first post regarding the cube lynch. I almost feel as if it would be better to lynch Bereft, his post didn't add anything incredible and it could easily be a scum post who is just trying to hide while seeming like they're doing something.
Orgolove I suck at post analysis >_> just look at insane mafia...
For lack of a better vote atm I'm going to change from Darth to Bereft, at the start of this day I felt like they had equal chance of being the assasin but with Darth's subsequent posts I'm less convinced about him. I'd really like to see Bereft post so I can hear his story.
##unvote DarthThienAn
##vote Bereft
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Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity.
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On November 08 2010 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity.
Your lack of... sophistication boggles my mind (That's not a personal insult amirite DrH?)
Darth has been quite pro-town for his past couple of posts. I'm just not so sure about changing my vote when his posts have only surfaced after the first death.
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as unsophisticated as Coag might be, I'm pretty sure he just confirmed himself as a bodyguard.
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Mm, I'm not sure how to defend myself other than to state that CubEdIn seemed to give us plenty of reason to think that he's scum, with how quickly he jumped on Meapak when it seemed fairly obvious at that time that Meapak was a BG.
With the posts we have thus far, the quote that I quoted above by bumatlarge stands out to me:
For instance, assasin knows this meapak will not be the king. There is no PM coordination and 3 people have already voted him. Of course we will kill him now, but we do need to watch who is voting what. The BGs have to be a little bit more discreet. I respect meapak's willingness to die, but he has to know that every time a BG dies, the assasin increases his chances. where he says "of course we will kill him now", despite being pretty sure that Meapak's not an assassin. If anything he should be trying to talk people out of voting Meapak versus respecting his "willingness to die".
You guys sure do like to do whatever the fuck you want and disregard what everyone says about anything. Did you not read fishball's post? Are you daft? Fine do the opposite, you guys are going to give the killer one hell of a shot if you just assume things and start ignoring people when we are only 4 pages in.
I also find it interesting that bumatlarge advocates that we follow Fishball's strategy, which is for everyone to say nothing, and then kill whoever tries to fish. Obviously the assassin is not going to be so desperate as to out himself within the first night; if everyone is silent he could easily sit back while BG after BG is picked off, until it comes down to him having to choose between say, 3 people over having to choose between 8. I think that in the beginning of the game, the assassin may try to hop on a bandwagon to avoid accidentally mentioning for or voting for the king. But subsequently we may see him take more of a decisive stance once he has a more concrete idea of who's king, or through the power of elimination he thinks he knows who is NOT king. Once other players have been FoS'd or voted for, he could claim to also think them guilty just because other players have already done so previously. Then again, BG's could vote for the king so as to throw off the assassin. But there is a fine line between misleading the assassin and actually mistakenly convincing the rest of the town that oneself is the assassin.
Note that he also votes for CubEdIn without giving any reasoning whatsoever, and also votes for Darth immediately following orgolove, giving this reasoning: Darth seems like a solid vote I like your reasoning with everything else. And there is not much detail we should be going into as we only give more information, but more people need to just give their thought, because I'm not having an assasin sit back this game with his arms crossed. And there are no inactives. HOHOHO He seems to say pro-town posts without actually saying anything of substance. Of course I'm not sure, but for now my vote will go to him.
##vote bumatlarge
Also, this confuses me:
On November 08 2010 03:37 orgolove wrote:
Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose? i.e. Coagulation mentioned that he only received one PM from you, but Meapak mentioned he received two PMs. If both are bodyguards, then it means you sent these two different role PMs despite being in the same role. Did you send different PMs?
What are you talking about? The fact that you seem to be fishing about role PM information seems slightly odd.
Finally, could we get a KST time and date of when each day is going to begin and end? I've been travelling lately, so my time zones and conception of time is a bit skewed.
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Bereft disregard anything having to do with PMs, I tried to fish for bodyguards using my pm as a template but nothing ever came of it.
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On November 08 2010 12:30 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity. Your lack of... sophistication boggles my mind (That's not a personal insult amirite DrH?) Darth has been quite pro-town for his past couple of posts. I'm just not so sure about changing my vote when his posts have only surfaced after the first death.
I don't think anyone has called coagulation bad more than me so it would be hypocritical to modkill you for that.
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##vote Bereft
Hopefully I don't have to go into too much detail why this is smart.
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On November 08 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 12:30 orgolove wrote:On November 08 2010 11:55 Coagulation wrote:
Guys im voting Orgolove cause he made a slip that if i point out will compromise the kings secret identity. Your lack of... sophistication boggles my mind (That's not a personal insult amirite DrH?) Darth has been quite pro-town for his past couple of posts. I'm just not so sure about changing my vote when his posts have only surfaced after the first death. I don't think anyone has called coagulation bad more than me so it would be hypocritical to modkill you for that.
##vote DoctorHelvetica
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100% orgolove is assasin
if you dont see why i suggest you read his post's
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On November 08 2010 03:37 orgolove wrote:
Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose?
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On November 08 2010 14:36 bumatlarge wrote:
##vote Bereft
Hopefully I don't have to go into too much detail why this is smart.
Really? I insist that you do if you are going to vote for me. Because by the time I flip over not assassin, your explanation will be worthless to me by then :/.
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On November 08 2010 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
100% orgolove is assasin
if you dont see why i suggest you read his post's
I just reread every single post orgolove made in this game since signing up. He never even mentions the kings name so I don't know how you got this silly idea in your head.
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On November 08 2010 15:56 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 14:36 bumatlarge wrote:
##vote Bereft
Hopefully I don't have to go into too much detail why this is smart. Really? I insist that you do if you are going to vote for me. Because by the time I flip over not assassin, your explanation will be worthless to me by then :/.
I don't expect you to know and that's all I have to say on this 
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I had thought that messages in bold green means a message to the mod...
anyway,
##unvote Meapak_Ziphh
##vote Bereft
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On November 08 2010 15:55 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 03:37 orgolove wrote:
Were there any variations between your PMs across the roles other than their specific role names and purpose?
I can't answer that question. There is to be no discussion of role PM's, I consider it cheating. Trapping players by forcing them to reveal information from their Role PM is an inescapable trap for a scum and thus I don't allow it. Bodyguards may or may not have received exactly uniform role PMs.
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On November 08 2010 16:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
100% orgolove is assasin
if you dont see why i suggest you read his post's I just reread every single post orgolove made in this game since signing up. He never even mentions the kings name so I don't know how you got this silly idea in your head.
umm ya i just double checked its there.
Unless doch is fucking with us and has given everyone random kings go re read his post's
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On November 08 2010 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
100% orgolove is assasin
if you dont see why i suggest you read his post's
Wait, let me get this straight.
He makes a slip that reveals the king's identity -- AND he's assassin?
Mind-boggling. 
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NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY
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On November 08 2010 17:46 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY
Are you flippin' serious... Can anyone be this daft? Jesus christ.
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On November 08 2010 17:53 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 17:46 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY Are you flippin' serious... Can anyone be this daft? Jesus christ.
do you even know what im talking about?
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On November 08 2010 17:46 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY
And so, if he's the assassin, you just told him directly that he "accidentally" knows the king.
Well done, sir.
Well done.
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On November 08 2010 18:18 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 17:46 Coagulation wrote:
NOPE HE SAID SOMETHING HE WOULDNT SAY IF HE KNOWS THE KINGS IDENTITY And so, if he's the assassin, you just told him directly that he "accidentally" knows the king. Well done, sir. Well done.
he said alot of shit
im not worried.
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Multiple kings would explain bereft's mix-up.
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ya i feel like doch just may be sick enough to pull some shit like that on us.
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First of all, I dont think DH would host a bad game. So let's assume that the setup was run as stated, and that we all have the same king.
I think I might know what Coag is talking about... kinda not sure at the same time though, because it's iffy to me. I r perplexed by you, Coag x_x.
I agree that orgolove is fishy to me. But I... am not completely sure what you're talking about.
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On November 08 2010 18:37 Coagulation wrote:
ya i feel like doch just may be sick enough to pull some shit like that on us.
Multiple kings my fucking ass. Every post you've made in this thread reeks of utter stupidity. You should be labeled a biohazard - people will grow a fucking brain tumor from just reading the trash you shit out in this thread. I'm counting the days until the hosts become frustrated enough to put you on the perma ban bus.
Actually, they might want to keep you for the entertainment value - I bet the way you spew your idiocy surely gives a tickle to the hosts who have all the information.
On November 08 2010 18:30 bumatlarge wrote:
Multiple kings would explain bereft's mix-up. On November 08 2010 18:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
First of all, I dont think DH would host a bad game. So let's assume that the setup was run as stated, and that we all have the same king.
I think I might know what Coag is talking about... kinda not sure at the same time though, because it's iffy to me. I r perplexed by you, Coag x_x.
I agree that orgolove is fishy to me. But I... am not completely sure what you're talking about.
Are you honestly giving a thought to this fool's drivel? Really, bumatlarge? Do you really think DrH would give TWO fucking kings given how he's structured the game so far?
And really? Darth? Doesn't it even remotely cross your idea that your perceived "slip" may be a misinformation to fool the fucking assassin? Knowledge about the mere presence of a misinformation campaign dramatically decreases its effectiveness, so I tried to make it subtle. But because you are giving thought to coagulation's words, you forced my hand. Good job guys.
Do you all honestly believe for a second that if someone of coagulation's 5 year old intellect terrible mafia "skill level" could find an actual slip-up, an assassin wouldn't catch it immediately?
Don't. Feed. The. Troll. Reading coagulation's posts will only poison your mind and hide it from the true danger.
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if your throwing out shit that incriminates yourself then your the only one to blame if people suspect you.
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On November 08 2010 19:05 orgolove wrote:
Do you all honestly believe for a second that if someone of coagulation's 5 year old intellect terrible mafia "skill level" could find an actual slip-up, an assassin wouldn't catch it immediately?
also this leads me to believe that you still have no idea what im talking about considering it would be impossible for the assassin to catch the slipup without first knowing who the king is.
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also I would appreciate it if you built a defense around your innocence and not on how you think I lack the intellect and cognitive ability to be taken seriously.
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Coag for the good of the kingdom please shut up. You've pretty muched revealed the king in an even worse way than my code ever did... I even gave you a way out of your mess and you missed it X_X. Whatever, if the bodyguards lose I'm going to do a nice little writeup explaining why you blew it.
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On November 08 2010 18:30 bumatlarge wrote:
Multiple kings would explain bereft's mix-up.
But there is a fine line between misleading the assassin and actually mistakenly convincing the rest of the town that oneself is the assassin.
Trust me, there was no mix up.
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Orgolove calm down or it's a ban.
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There are not TWO kings. There is no deception/insanity in this game. Everything is exactly as it is is described in the OP.
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Oh ok, then Bereft is still pretty clear. I've got more reason on him then anyone else, unless bereft want's to elaborate on what he is doing. Are you doing it purposefully? I can see the benefits, but I mean we have to be sure.
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/bump
A lot of people went afk it seems :/
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On November 07 2010 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 2 The royal assembly had made a decision. CubEdIn was to be sent to the guillotine. CubEdIn closed his eyes and as the blade dropped he yelled his final words. "Long live the king!" CubEdIn the Bodyguard has died. The second day has begun and a lowly assassin still lurks amongst the ranks of the palace. The king has became a bit more nervous. Good luck.
Er, hasn't it been 48 hours KST? The time reads November 9th 12:23 KST.
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Day 3
The council decided they would lynch the dastardly Bereft. As his head hung under the blade of the guillotine he wept.
"You've made a mistake! Long live the king!" He cried before his head was lopped off.
Bereft the Bodyguard has died.
The third day has begun and a lowly assassin still lurks amongst the ranks of the palace. The king has started to get paranoid. Good luck.
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mkay... I'm not quite ready to go back to Darth, I'm going to take a look at bum right now.
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unfortunately
#vote orgolove
be nice.
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Fuck.
As mentioned before, I had thought it would be between Bereft, DarthThienAn, and Youngminii. But now I am not so sure anymore... can anyone else contribute your analysis?
Lets look at the post counts and their comparative behavioral patterns:
1. Meapak_Ziphh 18
His only past participation is in Insane Mafia, so I have to judge him based on that. Considering his roleclaim as blue (which may not be true), he's been pretty active with over 70 posts in that thread, and he's comparatively active here now. In both cases he's tried to be logical and offer some contributions of his own.
conclusion: uncertain
2. Node 11
As blue in Haunted Mafia, he was about average in his activity. Didn't contribute much, but was pretty vocal in saying what the reds could be planning. Similar behavioral pattern here.
conclusion: likely blue
3. orgolove 21
What do you think? :X
blue
4. coagulation 19
---I'm Ignoring Him---
5. DarthThienAn 8
As Scum in Pick Your Power Mafia 2, he was really, really active. 31 posts over the course of the game, and many of them were highly analytical and accusatory. Now lets look at his posts. He has had barely any contribution in Day 1, and only posted a few after his inactivity was noted. And most of his posts were also pretty empty - It was all about defending himself and almost none about finding the assassin. I think he just loses the attraction if he does not receive a red role -_-
conclusion: likely blue
6. bumatlarge 10
As a red in Haunted Mafia, he was highly visible from the start, and posted many times in support of a Veldril lynch, who turned out to be a blue in the end. As a blue in Insane Mafia, he came into spotlight at first by proposing to be the mayor, but receded into view after DrH and Fishball threw their hats in. Here bumatlarge also was really active, but this time he's been active throughout the game from the very start, instead of falling off the radar after the first couple of pages.
conclusion: uncertain
8. youngminii 6
As a red in Haunted, he was very, VERY visible. One of the top posters in the beginning of the game, he was extremely eager to accuse and bandwagon against any non-vampire. Compare that with this game, where he's been mostly passive and silent.
conclusion: likely blue
These conclusions are based on behavioral analyses alone. What are your thoughts?
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i think your analysis does more confusion then good if your honestly a blue.
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I dunno orgolove, I'm inclined to base any analysis on this game alone rather than on activity in past games -- the nature of this variation is quite different from traditional mafia, and nothing's stopping people from acting differently on a game-by-game basis.
That in mind, I'd like to present an analysis of youngminii's posts in this game:
On November 06 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
So uhh, let's get this baby rolling.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
His first game-related post is a contentless vote jumping on the Meapak bandwagon. I shouldn't have to explain why this is the kind of behavior we should be looking out for.
On November 06 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:
Staying silent's not really the optimum strategy, it's just a lazy strategy. There's a 1/8 chance we'll lynch the assassin, and a 7/8 chance that we'll lynch a bodyguard. If everyone's silent, it'll just wittle down the number of people and right when the assassin's about to get lynched (by some form of rng I assume), he'll just take a random stab at the small amount of people left.
Surely interaction is a better method.
His second post pushes for being more active and promoting discussion. I could go either way on this post. He could be a bodyguard honestly wanting to reduce the chances of the assassin being successful. He could also be the assassin attempting to get discussion going so that he could more easily get the king out in the open.
On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books.
Here he defends orgolove. This post doesn't really tell us one way or the other whether he's red.
On November 08 2010 10:11 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member? When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol
He posts saying that he didn't accuse Darth (truthfully), and that he was going to defend him, which never happened.
He hasn't posted since, and never voted in the second day.
Youngminii is really shifty in my books. I think if we lynch him, worst-case scenario we get rid of a non-contributor, and best-case scenario we kill the assassin. I'm still not sold on Darth being innocent, but in the end I think there are better suspects right now.
##Vote Youngminii
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On November 09 2010 14:25 Node wrote:I dunno orgolove, I'm inclined to base any analysis on this game alone rather than on activity in past games -- the nature of this variation is quite different from traditional mafia, and nothing's stopping people from acting differently on a game-by-game basis. That in mind, I'd like to present an analysis of youngminii's posts in this game: Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 10:56 youngminii wrote:
So uhh, let's get this baby rolling.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh His first game-related post is a contentless vote jumping on the Meapak bandwagon. I shouldn't have to explain why this is the kind of behavior we should be looking out for. Show nested quote +On November 06 2010 13:32 youngminii wrote:
Staying silent's not really the optimum strategy, it's just a lazy strategy. There's a 1/8 chance we'll lynch the assassin, and a 7/8 chance that we'll lynch a bodyguard. If everyone's silent, it'll just wittle down the number of people and right when the assassin's about to get lynched (by some form of rng I assume), he'll just take a random stab at the small amount of people left.
Surely interaction is a better method. His second post pushes for being more active and promoting discussion. I could go either way on this post. He could be a bodyguard honestly wanting to reduce the chances of the assassin being successful. He could also be the assassin attempting to get discussion going so that he could more easily get the king out in the open. This was in response to me, and I too was a little suspicious, but I think that the attempts of youngminii in getting the king in the open were not intended.Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books. Here he defends orgolove. This post doesn't really tell us one way or the other whether he's red. Yes, an assassin doing an analysis on anyone is fairly risky, but it's also easy for the assassin to say that. This post is helpful as he explains that anyone who starts voting for the king is expected to be assassin, BUT MUST BE HANDLED DELICATELY. A very good point if it is not a BG making a gambit vote.Show nested quote +On November 08 2010 10:11 youngminii wrote:On November 08 2010 09:05 DarthThienAn wrote:
bum and YM should know that this is not how I play the bad guy, especially when there's only one. YM especially -_-. I may have been gone for awhile, but I don't think your memory is THAT bad. Have I ever sat back as a mafia member? When did I accuse you? When did I vote for you? I was going to defend you lol He posts saying that he didn't accuse Darth (truthfully), and that he was going to defend him, which never happened. He hasn't posted since, and never voted in the second day. Youngminii is really shifty in my books. I think if we lynch him, worst-case scenario we get rid of a non-contributor, and best-case scenario we kill the assassin. I'm still not sold on Darth being innocent, but in the end I think there are better suspects right now. Isn't darth dead? I think you are a little slow on the uptake with that one .##Vote Youngminii
Otherwise I like your analysis, but I feel there are better suspects that I will get into later.
But I made a mistake with Bereft guys. There is a way you handle truly suspicious people if you are thinking a certain way. You can't let them know that you have suspicions that day, but the BG's must kill that person the next day for silent reasons. If bereft was the assassin, we might have lost the game right then and there, but everyone kept their heads and we killed him without exposing much. I think if we can hold our heads again in the next dilemma, we should have a good chance of killing the assassin and giving our king more of a chance.
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OK WHATEVER FINE FUCKIT ##unvote orgolove
##Vote Youngminii
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Oh darth is alive, my bad node, I thought he died.
I have a weird feeling about orgo. I know he did start a lynch, but a 1 in 9 shot is pretty good odds. But more so then him his coagulation. I do not feel comfortable keeping him alive, but he is being a expectedly silly bodyguard or a very bold and risky assassin. I did not notice his 'king revealing posts' but such things usually get reprimanded.
But meapak has been setting off warning bells for me. I can't take the time out now, but when I come back I expect some posts like Node's on nearly everyone, including myself.
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vote DarthThienAn
Darth is still alive bum and I think he's our best bet.
@node, I have a feeling YM is a BG, out of the Bereft, Darth, YM bunch I think YM is least likely to be the assassin. We'll find out tomorrow.
+ Show Spoiler +Coag we need orgolove alive dammit, did your role pm not state this clear enough X_X
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On November 09 2010 15:14 bumatlarge wrote:
Yes, an assassin doing an analysis on anyone is fairly risky, but it's also easy for the assassin to say that. This post is helpful as he explains that anyone who starts voting for the king is expected to be assassin, BUT MUST BE HANDLED DELICATELY. A very good point if it is not a BG making a gambit vote.
I agree with what you're saying, but the thing is saying what he did really doesn't indicate scumminess one way or the other. It's the sort of thing the assassin could easily say to gain points with the bodyguards without risking anything, but at the same time it's a good point for a bodyguard to make. As far as that post goes, it didn't sway my opinion one way or the other.
My main reason for proposing that we lynch youngminii is his inactiveness. (frankly, I think he should be modkilled, but apparently DocH doesn't feel that way) I really don't think that we have anything to lose by killing him -- hell, he didn't even vote. That combined with any measure of scumminess is enough for me to lynch on.
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On November 09 2010 16:17 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 15:14 bumatlarge wrote:
Yes, an assassin doing an analysis on anyone is fairly risky, but it's also easy for the assassin to say that. This post is helpful as he explains that anyone who starts voting for the king is expected to be assassin, BUT MUST BE HANDLED DELICATELY. A very good point if it is not a BG making a gambit vote.
I agree with what you're saying, but the thing is saying what he did really doesn't indicate scumminess one way or the other. It's the sort of thing the assassin could easily say to gain points with the bodyguards without risking anything, but at the same time it's a good point for a bodyguard to make. As far as that post goes, it didn't sway my opinion one way or the other. My main reason for proposing that we lynch youngminii is his inactiveness. (frankly, I think he should be modkilled, but apparently DocH doesn't feel that way) I really don't think that we have anything to lose by killing him -- hell, he didn't even vote. That combined with any measure of scumminess is enough for me to lynch on.
I just came off a really bad bandwagon of an inactive in insane mafia and the inactive turned town. At this point I'm not ready to lynch someone for inactivity only, especially given how few BGs there are left right now.
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Yeah I think we all can tell.
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bum, you really want me dead, don't you? -_-. zz.
##Vote bumatlarge
On November 09 2010 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:vote DarthThienAnDarth is still alive bum and I think he's our best bet. @node, I have a feeling YM is a BG, out of the Bereft, Darth, YM bunch I think YM is least likely to be the assassin. We'll find out tomorrow. + Show Spoiler +Coag we need orgolove alive dammit, did your role pm not state this clear enough X_X
Why are orgolove and YM least likely?
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@Node I don't have internet at home and I'm basically posting all my posts in this game and Insane Mafia from my friend's places or Uni.
I'm only suspicious of bumatlarge but probably not enough for me to make a vote on him. Since I don't have anyone better to vote:
##Vote Node
OMGUS vote, will change if anyone else has a better person to lynch.
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On November 09 2010 18:22 youngminii wrote:
@Node I don't have internet at home and I'm basically posting all my posts in this game and Insane Mafia from my friend's places or Uni.
I'm only suspicious of bumatlarge but probably not enough for me to make a vote on him. Since I don't have anyone better to vote:
##Vote Node
OMGUS vote, will change if anyone else has a better person to lynch.
/facepalm
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do you want me to vote you then
why's everyone ignoring you anyway, brb gonna read past pages
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what the fuck
you go for orgolove and even get into an argument with him and then you change your vote to me out of nowhere?
##Vote Coagulation
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ps stop posting like an idiot please
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On November 09 2010 18:22 youngminii wrote:
@Node I don't have internet at home and I'm basically posting all my posts in this game and Insane Mafia from my friend's places or Uni.
I'm only suspicious of bumatlarge but probably not enough for me to make a vote on him. Since I don't have anyone better to vote:
##Vote Node
OMGUS vote, will change if anyone else has a better person to lynch.
I have a better person to lynch, Darth. We know Coag is probably town so theres no use in killing him.
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On November 09 2010 17:42 DarthThienAn wrote:bum, you really want me dead, don't you? -_-. zz. ##Vote bumatlargeShow nested quote +On November 09 2010 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:vote DarthThienAnDarth is still alive bum and I think he's our best bet. @node, I have a feeling YM is a BG, out of the Bereft, Darth, YM bunch I think YM is least likely to be the assassin. We'll find out tomorrow. + Show Spoiler +Coag we need orgolove alive dammit, did your role pm not state this clear enough X_X Why are orgolove and YM least likely?
Well orgolove is not the assassin and most people understand why (and the fact that you don't confirms my lynch). And I meant out of Bereft, Darth and YM that YM is least likely to be the assassin.
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And the fact that you're still voting for me makes you a good candidate as well ^^.
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theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
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Just relax, town has this.
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On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot?
What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly?
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On November 11 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot? What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly?
no the best way to scumhunt is to have the king pushing suspicions and perpetrating himself as a red to make assassin slip. our king is our most valuable asset here and has been 100% useless.
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that was possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my entire life
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On November 11 2010 15:05 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot? What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly? no the best way to scumhunt is to have the king pushing suspicions and perpetrating himself as a red to make assassin slip. our king is our most valuable asset here and has been 100% useless.
Our king has actually been fantastic so far, maybe we are reading different threads. Honestly if I wasn't so worried about losing more BGs I'd lynch you in a heartbeat.
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On November 11 2010 15:10 youngminii wrote:
that was possibly the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my entire life
can you please give an explanation as to why.. instead of just posting out the ass and contributing nothing
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On November 11 2010 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:05 Coagulation wrote:On November 11 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot? What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly? no the best way to scumhunt is to have the king pushing suspicions and perpetrating himself as a red to make assassin slip. our king is our most valuable asset here and has been 100% useless. Our king has actually been fantastic so far, maybe we are reading different threads. Honestly if I wasn't so worried about losing more BGs I'd lynch you in a heartbeat.
what kind of progress have we made?
Maybe we are reading different threads because honestly i feel like we are still day one and random lynching.
is that what the plan is? just random lynch our way to victory?
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On November 11 2010 15:05 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot? What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly? no the best way to scumhunt is to have the king pushing suspicions and perpetrating himself as a red to make assassin slip. our king is our most valuable asset here and has been 100% useless.
FUNK OFF CANT. Our king has already won us the game. He's got a fool proof plan that a lot of bodyguards caught on. He will initial a victorious march over the assassin's grave in due time. Slightly ironic for you of all people to call the king useless, you foggot.
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Replacing vowels doesn't make flaming acceptable bumatlarge.
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On November 12 2010 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Replacing vowels doesn't make flaming acceptable bumatlarge.
Hey he also replaced consonants, that must count for something.
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On November 12 2010 03:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 02:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Replacing vowels doesn't make flaming acceptable bumatlarge. Hey he also replaced consonants, that must count for something.
It's a secret code. That only coagulation needs to decipher.
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Do I still have the most votes o.o? Don't do it guys!
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vote guys, I'm ending the day in about 3 and a half hours
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On November 12 2010 09:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
Do I still have the most votes o.o? Don't do it guys!
I think you're tied with youngminii with two votes apiece.
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On November 11 2010 15:44 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 15:05 Coagulation wrote:On November 11 2010 14:59 youngminii wrote:On November 11 2010 07:20 Coagulation wrote:
theres no ability to scumhunt when people who are town incriminate themselves left and right on purpose.
i honestly dont know what can be done here..
Are you an idiot? What's the best way town's meant to be playing this game? Act as if they're king to confuse scum. What the hell are you doing, being an idiot and acting as if you've given up on this game? Why did you even sign up if you weren't going to play properly? no the best way to scumhunt is to have the king pushing suspicions and perpetrating himself as a red to make assassin slip. our king is our most valuable asset here and has been 100% useless. FUNK OFF CANT. Our king has already won us the game. He's got a fool proof plan that a lot of bodyguards caught on. He will initial a victorious march over the assassin's grave in due time. Slightly ironic for you of all people to call the king useless, you foggot.
I dont see it
Im demanding an explanation for this when game is over.
maybe i am clueless
but i have a feeling your making shit up.
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OKAY I am about to die and I don't want to. Sorry DTA, I really don't think you're the assassin
##Vote DTA
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By the way, I'm not the assassin, if I was you'd have seen it by now. Coag if you can't see the plan you're probably the assassin so I dunno, you're probably fucked tomorrow.
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IF i was assassin do you honestly think i would post I dont see a Bodyguard plan
Why would i out myself like that if im trying to blend in.
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Day Four
DarthThienAn's head hung over the stand of the guillotine. The council was becoming more and more anxious to kill the assassin.
His head fell into the basket and green blood squirted out.
DarthThienAn the Bodyguard has been killed
The King averted his gaze to the ground. He was terrified.
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List of people that remain:
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
6. bumatlarge
8. youngminii
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zzzz you guys are silly =[.
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Well guys lets get started
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Is today 'Kill Coag' day? Or maybe that's later. In other news, what day would you guys like to kill the assassin? I personally would like to address how Dr. H's fine chin hairs first. How elegant!
Let's just hope the assassin doesn't try to lynch me. But if he wants to kill me, then he can go right ahead.
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So. How should we go about doing this? We can get him, but he may be sharp enough to still win this if we don't be careful.
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Excellently put as always bum, I would love to kill the assassin today but my life would be incomplete if we didn't lynch coag at some point. I'm going to have a long and emotional debate with myself on this quandary.
PS Doc you're looking spry today
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i dont understand why you would lynch me if you know who the assassin is.
lynching me would only increase the chances he hits the king in the case he takes a random shot.
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On November 13 2010 05:15 orgolove wrote:
So. How should we go about doing this? We can get him, but he may be sharp enough to still win this if we don't be careful.
IMO, the sooner the better. The more players there are the more choices he is going to have, the more second thoughts will go through his head.
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On November 13 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
i dont understand why you would lynch me if you know who the assassin is.
lynching me would only increase the chances he hits the king in the case he takes a random shot.
But is it random coag? Maybe we are better off lynching you first to throw him off. Very well, I suppose there is no more use hiding it. Time to choose Node.
##Vote Node
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I submit to bums superior decision making.
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didnt see node do anything that everyone else didnt do.
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On November 14 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
didnt see node do anything that everyone else didnt do.
well here's the thing, we've not gotten anywhere by lynching inactives, so let's get started on the actives... I know orgolove is fine so it's between you or node... would you rather this lynch be you?
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I would rather you not vote based on "I submit to bums superior decision making" Yes.
would i like it to be me? NOPE.
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Node might not be the killer, because he did post one analysis post, but otherwise he has been completely in the background. Plus it's good to force him to use his kill til the last minute.
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Oh, that's everyone except node and coag voted.
I think if node doesn't pop assasin, it's pretty clear that young is it. Looking back now, node did start a lynch against young, which would be a very risky move for assassin to do. I don't believe young has started any lynches, but he has been speaking his mind when he needed too. I don't really get strong vibes from anyone else, and node's posts have been wishy-washy other then that one post. Makes me wonder... COME ON VOTE I WANT TO SEE...
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Yeah if node turns green I will never doubt Coag again.
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If node turns green I'll eat my own mother.
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node and coag vote please!
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##vote node
if hes blue bum is a deadman
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On November 15 2010 05:09 Coagulation wrote:
##vote node
if hes blue bum is a deadman
I will start the lynch myself!
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/bump becuz ppl need 2 vote
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only one that needs to vote is node
might as well just get this over with
its not like node is gonna change anything at this point
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##Vote Coagulation
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alright Doc let's have it
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The Final Day
The council had decreed Node to be the dastardly assassin. They circled around him, creating no room for escape. Node calmly allowed himself to be guided to the guillotine. As the council escorted him to the platform Node reached in his robe.
A knife was pulled out.
Before anyone could react, he slashed the throat of youngminii the King of Liquidia.. As the bodyguards panicked and wept at the loss of their beloved king, Node fled off in the distance. He was victorious.
The Assassin, Node, has won.
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town, you could have done that more subtly lol
edit: around when bum said "relax, town has this" i knew who the king and assassin were
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Sorry everyone this was probably my fault.
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Nah I think it was when coag was like "lynch orgo" or w/e because he accused someone who bodyguards wouldn't accuse. It was either bereft or YM, and when bereft died i think that was it.
correct me if im wrong.
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On November 15 2010 11:57 Pandain wrote:
Nah I think it was when coag was like "lynch orgo" or w/e because he accused someone who bodyguards wouldn't accuse. It was either bereft or YM, and when bereft died i think that was it.
correct me if im wrong.
it wasn't because orgo accused someone bodyguards wouldn't accuse
it was because in response to meapak's code, he posted "aww, and I had the cipher all ready too" or something like that, indicating that he intended to use the code somehow
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one possible method to win was to keep it low, vote as normal, and just before the day ends (like in the few minutes before) all change it to node in the hope that he doesn't notice.
another method would be waiting for node to start an accusation against someone else and then immediately lynching
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On November 15 2010 12:00 Coagulation wrote:
Fuck me running.
Practice makes perfect
on the plus side, you might definitely go down as the most honest townie ever.
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Node did i give it away ?
im almost certain his vote for me was him laughing at me.
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On November 15 2010 12:01 infinitestory wrote:
one possible method to win was to keep it low, vote as normal, and just before the day ends (like in the few minutes before) all change it to node in the hope that he doesn't notice.
another method would be waiting for node to start an accusation against someone else and then immediately lynching
This is what I was planning but then Bum voted and it was kinda all in at that point.
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Awards:
Best Player:
BumAtLarge - Couldn't carry town by himself
Worst Player:
Coagulation - You don't need to post every single thought in your head. Why don't you keep it cool and think about what the town might be doing before you post. I was shocked at how far over your head the towns plan went.
Analysis:
Winning this game is very simple for town. One bodyguard simply has to choose a random non-king player and start posting as though that player were the king. Defending him awkwardly, maybe letting it slip in "code" or by posting behavior that the person is king.
The trick isn't figuring out who the assassin is. Because by the time you do, the assassin can accurately guess who the king is. If the assassin posts bandwagoning player x and suddenly finds himself getting bandwagoned, he knows player x must be the king.
The trick is fooling the assassin into thinking the king is someone it isn't and forcing him to waste his hit.
If Coagulation was king his play would actually be brilliant though.
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On November 15 2010 11:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sorry everyone this was probably my fault.
Node PM'd me day 1 promising not to read the code.
It was no ones fault. It was pretty clear that the reason Node was bandwagoned was attacking youngminii. Town needed to wait longer to fool Node into thinking he was being lynched for something else.
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Nice try guys, after node posted that analysis of young, I figured we were doomed. I'd like to think we all did a good job after that point, I was trying to act as kingy as possible, and I think people were going along with it for a bit, since no one except coag was suspecting me. Argh.
Great job node, you held out very well in the early game, and made the right move when you needed to. I hope it wasn't me that immediately gave you young's number -_-
SORRY DARTH LOL, we needed to burn a lynch before node. I was hoping that someone would come after me for voting you after node voted young, so it would seem like you were king and I was assassin. Then maybe node would see it as a BG gambit to give the 'darth' king less notice. I would have played along, but there was no way to convey that idea to the other BG's.
On November 15 2010 12:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sorry everyone this was probably my fault. Node PM'd me day 1 promising not to read the code. It was no ones fault. It was pretty clear that the reason Node was bandwagoned was attacking youngminii. Town needed to wait longer to fool Node into thinking he was being lynched for something else.
It was so far into the game already that I wasn't confident that 3 or 2 of the last BGs could pull it off, since we had already stumbled so far. I was hoping with a still large pool of players and confident posting that maybe node might get unsure...
FAILURE
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Yeah, the only thing that really gave it away was that I was bandwagoned out of nowhere after making accusations against youngminii. Before that I had a niggling feeling that it was Coagulation -- the "bodyguard gets 2 PMs, king gets 1 PM" trap in particular was actually clever, if kinda-sorta against the rules. But when I temporarily disregarded all of the PM talk and focused on what it was that was getting me lynched, the only possibility was that I pushed the lynch of youngminii (and due to inactivity, came surprisingly close to succeeding! lol).
Coagulation, surprisingly enough, was pretty much the only one who played my lynch correctly by posting doubts. Even if you're 99% certain you've caught the assassin, the lynch needs to look like any other -- behavior analysis and whatnot. Otherwise it's a blatant tip that the assassin slipped somehow. Seeing as it came after the fact that my lynch was pretty much set in stone, the weak analysis made me even more certain that I'd found the king.
It was also pretty clever the way bodyguards kept youngminii in their "list of most likely assassins", as this was one of the reasons I jumped on him. If they followed it up correctly it probably would have doomed me. But if he stays in there and never has any action taken against him, especially when I push a lynch and all the votes just kinda gravitate elsewhere, it doesn't help town much.
GG all. I had fun.
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grats node
i played like an idiot and it was pretty clear node was assassin at the point where he voted me
i hate you coag
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Sorry young
please dont hate me
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This was an entertaining game to observe Will definitely get in on one of these in the future.
Well done Node.
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Man I can't believe you guys lynched be after this post =P
+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2010 09:15 DarthThienAn wrote:Hopefully I can point out something obvious here: Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
Ah fuck. my CubedIn vote was based on his irrational aggression against Meapak. It was the first day - not much we can do.
Screw you coagulation. god damn you are a terrible mafia player. I don't think you're the assassin, but man, you are terrible and might as well be one. It's almost like we're playing against two assassins here - coagulation and the real one.
From DrHelvetica's reaction after Meapak tried to use his code, I think it's safe to say Meapak isn't the assassin - if I as a host saw the assassin fishing for information via a fake code, I probably would've let him go thinking it an ingenious plan.
And Node seems quite pro-town, considering he's against busing someone without reason. An assassin would want lynches ASAP.
I doubt bumatlarge is an assassin either, based on his reactions to the code revelation and coagulation's shit against meapak. (These two are really experienced - I may well be fooled by their silver tongue, but there's not much else to go at this point).
And youngminii also doesn't look like the assassin because he's also trying to slow down the lynches.
Bereft... I don't know. On the one hand, he was quite reasonable in pointing out the 0/7 chance of getting the assassin when voting against Meapak vs 1/7 chance when voting vs anyone else. But On the other hand, he was really persistent on killing off CubedIn. - And the faster the bodyguards are killed off, the easier it is for the assassin.
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn orgolove gets voted for, and immediately votes someone else, saying I have the highest chance of assassin because all I've done so far is vote. Seriously? This isn't a game where we can afford to just "lynch all inactives," or "lynch people we think aren't talking enough." Show nested quote +
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
5. DarkThienAn
6. bumatlarge
7.CubEdIn (Bodyguard)
8. youngminii
9. bereft
8 players right now, and every bodyguard we lose, the assassin gets another 5% (on average) closer to hitting the king just based on chance. So seriously, don't waste our time and kill me. Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books. I guess the difference between me and you is our opinion of orgolove. It's a nice position (for an assassin) to be the one controlling the bandwagons, no?
I'm #5, YM is #8, orgolove is #3. 8-5 = 3
GJ Node ^^.
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On November 15 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Awards:
Best Player:
BumAtLarge - Couldn't carry town by himself
Worst Player:
Coagulation - You don't need to post every single thought in your head. Why don't you keep it cool and think about what the town might be doing before you post. I was shocked at how far over your head the towns plan went.
Analysis:
Winning this game is very simple for town. One bodyguard simply has to choose a random non-king player and start posting as though that player were the king. Defending him awkwardly, maybe letting it slip in "code" or by posting behavior that the person is king.
The trick isn't figuring out who the assassin is. Because by the time you do, the assassin can accurately guess who the king is. If the assassin posts bandwagoning player x and suddenly finds himself getting bandwagoned, he knows player x must be the king.
The trick is fooling the assassin into thinking the king is someone it isn't and forcing him to waste his hit.
If Coagulation was king his play would actually be brilliant though.
Maybe I'm just as 'idiotic' as coagulation, but I agree with node that he's the only one that played the node lynch correctly. Why does he get the worst player award? Also, he was certainly 'unsubtle' or 'liberated' in his self-expression, but he certainly wasn't "the most honest townie" either.
Town had the right idea about burning a lynch before going for node, but to just bandwagon out of nowhere was a dead giveaway to assassin that he had misstepped. There should have been analysis first, alternate candidates put forward, etc. Coag was the only one that seemed to get this? Orgolove gets worst player imo (sorry :S) for immediately saying after the Darth lynch that town knew the assassin, then bandwagoning Node with no further explanation.
What am I missing here DocH?
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On November 18 2010 03:28 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Awards:
Best Player:
BumAtLarge - Couldn't carry town by himself
Worst Player:
Coagulation - You don't need to post every single thought in your head. Why don't you keep it cool and think about what the town might be doing before you post. I was shocked at how far over your head the towns plan went.
Analysis:
Winning this game is very simple for town. One bodyguard simply has to choose a random non-king player and start posting as though that player were the king. Defending him awkwardly, maybe letting it slip in "code" or by posting behavior that the person is king.
The trick isn't figuring out who the assassin is. Because by the time you do, the assassin can accurately guess who the king is. If the assassin posts bandwagoning player x and suddenly finds himself getting bandwagoned, he knows player x must be the king.
The trick is fooling the assassin into thinking the king is someone it isn't and forcing him to waste his hit.
If Coagulation was king his play would actually be brilliant though. Maybe I'm just as 'idiotic' as coagulation, but I agree with node that he's the only one that played the node lynch correctly. Why does he get the worst player award? Also, he was certainly 'unsubtle' or 'liberated' in his self-expression, but he certainly wasn't "the most honest townie" either. Town had the right idea about burning a lynch before going for node, but to just bandwagon out of nowhere was a dead giveaway to assassin that he had misstepped. There should have been analysis first, alternate candidates put forward, etc. Coag was the only one that seemed to get this? Orgolove gets worst player imo (sorry :S) for immediately saying after the Darth lynch that town knew the assassin, then bandwagoning Node with no further explanation. What am I missing here DocH?
From my understanding of Coagulations posts it was that the happenings of the game were just going over his head, rather than him disagreeing with them on any sort of strategical basis. He didn't seem to get why anyone was putting forth youngminii as a lynch candidate and I'm really not sure he even knew Node was the assassin in the first place.
If his play WAS intentional, it actually would have been pretty smart as a lot of outside viewers thought he was actually the king.
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Ok, I guess I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
On November 14 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
didnt see node do anything that everyone else didnt do.
If Coag was honest here, he's an idiot. If he's lying, he's the only person in the game that played correctly.
I do like your analysis of how to play town correctly for this game though. Using my 20/20 hindsight powers, I'm noticing that this game is just about the opposite of normal mafia in terms of information: Town has the key info, Mafia is in the dark. Which puts town in the odd spot of trying to spread misinformation, obfuscate things, false claim, etc.
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