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Nice try guys, after node posted that analysis of young, I figured we were doomed. I'd like to think we all did a good job after that point, I was trying to act as kingy as possible, and I think people were going along with it for a bit, since no one except coag was suspecting me. Argh.
Great job node, you held out very well in the early game, and made the right move when you needed to. I hope it wasn't me that immediately gave you young's number -_-
SORRY DARTH LOL, we needed to burn a lynch before node. I was hoping that someone would come after me for voting you after node voted young, so it would seem like you were king and I was assassin. Then maybe node would see it as a BG gambit to give the 'darth' king less notice. I would have played along, but there was no way to convey that idea to the other BG's. 
On November 15 2010 12:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 11:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sorry everyone this was probably my fault. Node PM'd me day 1 promising not to read the code. It was no ones fault. It was pretty clear that the reason Node was bandwagoned was attacking youngminii. Town needed to wait longer to fool Node into thinking he was being lynched for something else.
It was so far into the game already that I wasn't confident that 3 or 2 of the last BGs could pull it off, since we had already stumbled so far. I was hoping with a still large pool of players and confident posting that maybe node might get unsure...
FAILURE
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Yeah, the only thing that really gave it away was that I was bandwagoned out of nowhere after making accusations against youngminii. Before that I had a niggling feeling that it was Coagulation -- the "bodyguard gets 2 PMs, king gets 1 PM" trap in particular was actually clever, if kinda-sorta against the rules. But when I temporarily disregarded all of the PM talk and focused on what it was that was getting me lynched, the only possibility was that I pushed the lynch of youngminii (and due to inactivity, came surprisingly close to succeeding! lol).
Coagulation, surprisingly enough, was pretty much the only one who played my lynch correctly by posting doubts. Even if you're 99% certain you've caught the assassin, the lynch needs to look like any other -- behavior analysis and whatnot. Otherwise it's a blatant tip that the assassin slipped somehow. Seeing as it came after the fact that my lynch was pretty much set in stone, the weak analysis made me even more certain that I'd found the king.
It was also pretty clever the way bodyguards kept youngminii in their "list of most likely assassins", as this was one of the reasons I jumped on him. If they followed it up correctly it probably would have doomed me. But if he stays in there and never has any action taken against him, especially when I push a lynch and all the votes just kinda gravitate elsewhere, it doesn't help town much.
GG all. I had fun. 
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grats node
i played like an idiot and it was pretty clear node was assassin at the point where he voted me
i hate you coag
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Sorry young
please dont hate me
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This was an entertaining game to observe Will definitely get in on one of these in the future.
Well done Node.
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Man I can't believe you guys lynched be after this post =P
+ Show Spoiler +On November 08 2010 09:15 DarthThienAn wrote:Hopefully I can point out something obvious here: Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 12:51 orgolove wrote:
Ah fuck. my CubedIn vote was based on his irrational aggression against Meapak. It was the first day - not much we can do.
Screw you coagulation. god damn you are a terrible mafia player. I don't think you're the assassin, but man, you are terrible and might as well be one. It's almost like we're playing against two assassins here - coagulation and the real one.
From DrHelvetica's reaction after Meapak tried to use his code, I think it's safe to say Meapak isn't the assassin - if I as a host saw the assassin fishing for information via a fake code, I probably would've let him go thinking it an ingenious plan.
And Node seems quite pro-town, considering he's against busing someone without reason. An assassin would want lynches ASAP.
I doubt bumatlarge is an assassin either, based on his reactions to the code revelation and coagulation's shit against meapak. (These two are really experienced - I may well be fooled by their silver tongue, but there's not much else to go at this point).
And youngminii also doesn't look like the assassin because he's also trying to slow down the lynches.
Bereft... I don't know. On the one hand, he was quite reasonable in pointing out the 0/7 chance of getting the assassin when voting against Meapak vs 1/7 chance when voting vs anyone else. But On the other hand, he was really persistent on killing off CubedIn. - And the faster the bodyguards are killed off, the easier it is for the assassin.
DarthThienAn is another suspect. The only relevant post in this game was his vote. -_- I think this guy has the highest chance of being the assassin.
##Vote DarthThienAn orgolove gets voted for, and immediately votes someone else, saying I have the highest chance of assassin because all I've done so far is vote. Seriously? This isn't a game where we can afford to just "lynch all inactives," or "lynch people we think aren't talking enough." Show nested quote +
1. Meapak_Ziphh
2. Node
3. orgolove
4. coagulation
5. DarkThienAn
6. bumatlarge
7.CubEdIn (Bodyguard)
8. youngminii
9. bereft
8 players right now, and every bodyguard we lose, the assassin gets another 5% (on average) closer to hitting the king just based on chance. So seriously, don't waste our time and kill me. Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 12:21 youngminii wrote:
Well that was a quick bandwagon. Is it fair to say orgolove is a semi-confirmed bodyguard/king? I mean, an assassin would be very wary of starting a lynch bandwagon because if he accidentally votes for the king, everyone would know (well, at least be suspicious) that the person that targeted the king would be the assassin, since the assassin doesn't know who the king is.
Might be a bit of wifom but orgolove's safe in my books. I guess the difference between me and you is our opinion of orgolove. It's a nice position (for an assassin) to be the one controlling the bandwagons, no?
I'm #5, YM is #8, orgolove is #3. 8-5 = 3
GJ Node ^^.
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On November 15 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Awards:
Best Player:
BumAtLarge - Couldn't carry town by himself
Worst Player:
Coagulation - You don't need to post every single thought in your head. Why don't you keep it cool and think about what the town might be doing before you post. I was shocked at how far over your head the towns plan went.
Analysis:
Winning this game is very simple for town. One bodyguard simply has to choose a random non-king player and start posting as though that player were the king. Defending him awkwardly, maybe letting it slip in "code" or by posting behavior that the person is king.
The trick isn't figuring out who the assassin is. Because by the time you do, the assassin can accurately guess who the king is. If the assassin posts bandwagoning player x and suddenly finds himself getting bandwagoned, he knows player x must be the king.
The trick is fooling the assassin into thinking the king is someone it isn't and forcing him to waste his hit.
If Coagulation was king his play would actually be brilliant though.
Maybe I'm just as 'idiotic' as coagulation, but I agree with node that he's the only one that played the node lynch correctly. Why does he get the worst player award? Also, he was certainly 'unsubtle' or 'liberated' in his self-expression, but he certainly wasn't "the most honest townie" either.
Town had the right idea about burning a lynch before going for node, but to just bandwagon out of nowhere was a dead giveaway to assassin that he had misstepped. There should have been analysis first, alternate candidates put forward, etc. Coag was the only one that seemed to get this? Orgolove gets worst player imo (sorry :S) for immediately saying after the Darth lynch that town knew the assassin, then bandwagoning Node with no further explanation.
What am I missing here DocH?
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On November 18 2010 03:28 aidnai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Awards:
Best Player:
BumAtLarge - Couldn't carry town by himself
Worst Player:
Coagulation - You don't need to post every single thought in your head. Why don't you keep it cool and think about what the town might be doing before you post. I was shocked at how far over your head the towns plan went.
Analysis:
Winning this game is very simple for town. One bodyguard simply has to choose a random non-king player and start posting as though that player were the king. Defending him awkwardly, maybe letting it slip in "code" or by posting behavior that the person is king.
The trick isn't figuring out who the assassin is. Because by the time you do, the assassin can accurately guess who the king is. If the assassin posts bandwagoning player x and suddenly finds himself getting bandwagoned, he knows player x must be the king.
The trick is fooling the assassin into thinking the king is someone it isn't and forcing him to waste his hit.
If Coagulation was king his play would actually be brilliant though. Maybe I'm just as 'idiotic' as coagulation, but I agree with node that he's the only one that played the node lynch correctly. Why does he get the worst player award? Also, he was certainly 'unsubtle' or 'liberated' in his self-expression, but he certainly wasn't "the most honest townie" either. Town had the right idea about burning a lynch before going for node, but to just bandwagon out of nowhere was a dead giveaway to assassin that he had misstepped. There should have been analysis first, alternate candidates put forward, etc. Coag was the only one that seemed to get this? Orgolove gets worst player imo (sorry :S) for immediately saying after the Darth lynch that town knew the assassin, then bandwagoning Node with no further explanation. What am I missing here DocH?
From my understanding of Coagulations posts it was that the happenings of the game were just going over his head, rather than him disagreeing with them on any sort of strategical basis. He didn't seem to get why anyone was putting forth youngminii as a lynch candidate and I'm really not sure he even knew Node was the assassin in the first place.
If his play WAS intentional, it actually would have been pretty smart as a lot of outside viewers thought he was actually the king.
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Ok, I guess I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
On November 14 2010 14:08 Coagulation wrote:
didnt see node do anything that everyone else didnt do.
If Coag was honest here, he's an idiot. If he's lying, he's the only person in the game that played correctly.
I do like your analysis of how to play town correctly for this game though. Using my 20/20 hindsight powers, I'm noticing that this game is just about the opposite of normal mafia in terms of information: Town has the key info, Mafia is in the dark. Which puts town in the odd spot of trying to spread misinformation, obfuscate things, false claim, etc.
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