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I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests. First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself? Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue. Good luck all ^_^ | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick. I second this idea. If the circle exists, there is no reason not to make it public. I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player I've lost count of the number of people that have said that about Pandain. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate a player, especially a top candidate for Mayor. | ||
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On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. The act of all six claiming even gives us a chance to improve the circle, as we can identify and remove the scum after role checks. | ||
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[quote="DoctorHelvetica"]I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really[/quote] Err.... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player DoctorHelvetica I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: but that wouldn't make me look scummy so what's the point right? Four hour difference. Not exactly way way back if you ask me. I'm just pointing out that you say there is no reason someone should vote Pandain, yet hours earlier you voted Pandain and gave a reason. | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind 4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead. I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him Fair enough. Can't blame me for wanting to see how a potential mayor handles criticism, although I think I would have preferred not being accused of not including a timestamp to make you look scummy. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:24 Fishball wrote: You've seen me play in your own games, and other games. You know I never really like to come out so early in the game and draw this magnitude of attention to myself. I've thought about it for a some hours yesterday and went with this decision. But yes, as brought up many times, if I do not get Mayor, I'm as good as dead. But at least I gave it a shot. Why would you be good as dead? If the mafia has infiltrated your "circle", what reason would they have to kill you off? | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because my role involves a confirmation to a separate player. To fake this I would have to out a different scumbuddy every single day, a play which would actually benefit the town in the long run if I were mafia. Secondly my role has a second aspect which cannot be reliably faked as the results will be confirmed numerically by Artanis. That's really all I can say. Sounds like it has something to do with the plague then. Confirm/Deny/Abstain? | ||
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On October 30 2010 10:23 Fishball wrote: Analysis and everything else aside, I'm going to list these facts for now, just raw facts. - Besides myself, only one other member have posted today. - The majority of them have not even posted in the thread yet. For reference purposes, if this claim is true, four of the "circle" members belong in this list of 11: 12. Kenpachi 13. lol1221 17. QuickStriker 20. SiNiquity 24. ShmotZ 27. youngminii 31. Masq 33. Meeple Glasse 34 Misder 35. kingjames01 39. LunarDestiny | ||
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That's a pretty serious insult. You might have your lynch target. :p | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:16 orgolove wrote: lol, awesome find haha. Now we have second evidence of DoctorHelvetica "Embellishing the Truth" aka lying. How could you not reveal the *slightly* important fact that whoever you do your night action on will be infected with Murrayitis? Anything else you're hiding, mr Sticky? Perhaps DrH has an insane role in which he believes he is helping, while actually he is spreading the disease. Either way, the result of his actions will be revealed after two days. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:28 orgolove wrote: Anyone who was even remotely invested in the Haunted Mafia game would be horrified at the prospect of letting you become the Mayor after the way you completely screwed up the game in the final days. Gj killing one of the last 3 mafia, letting the vamps just stroll to victory -_- I have no interest in allowing someone who screws up in that magnitude in a job as the town mayor. I fail to see the relevance and to be honest, am getting sick of the personal attacks. | ||
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On October 31 2010 01:52 ghrur wrote: Why do I feel ignored? T_T At this time, I would like to declare my intentions to vote for the noble candidate ghrur. | ||
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On October 31 2010 02:01 ghrur wrote: As much as I appreciate this, I really think I shouldn't be. I mean, I threw my name in because I feel like I'm able to keep my calm, but now that I look over it, I'm not active enough. I also really gain nothing from bodyguards as I can do this as a townie. Also, I feel that my role isn't strong enough. Instead, I really want to hear Glasse's platform once again. At this time, I would like to withdraw my support for the unworthy candidate ghrur. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's a bit meta, admittedly. Your insistence on pushing a scenario that is pretty far out and meta in an extremely subjective sense struck me as strange considering your mostly logical play in Haunted Mafia. I am more interested in seeing how you play the rest of the game rather than lynching you. mmk, not to pursue a dead issue or anything, but what far out scenario was I pushing? I'm not sure I recall. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm sorry and I feel dumb about this but I'll fess up. I meant to write kingjames01 on my little notepad list, but I did it later and since your names both begin with k and were both on the same scumteam I got you two confused. I was pretty intoxicated last night so hopefully town won't tear me apart for this. Ughhh this makes me look pretty stupid Haha at least you're honest.....maybe :p | ||
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I wonder if he just took one for the team and got modkilled so he wouldn't have to use his power every day. | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote: Medics should protect Dr. H, me, Fishball, and lastly Bum, since he's probably the least important. I'm unsure how to get them to all protect an individual person since we don't know who they are, but that's just my suggestions for them. PD's should be on Dr. H. We want him to have immunity asap. I think actually not on Bum, since perhaps he should confirm himself to bum, therefore finding out if bum has murrayitis. If he does, then cure both of them the next night, limiting murrayitis. Thoughts? Err no and no. DrH doesn't need a medic because he has bodyguards and he didn't need a Plague Doctor because he is immune. | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:16 Glasse wrote: Sorry i am catching up on reading, im at page 50 and i'm seeing pms between fishball and orgolove. I thought pms were not allowed either shouldnt fishball get modkilled as well? + Show Spoiler + PMs: PMs are not allowed this game unless you are PMing me or LSB, have explicit approval to PM or you are mafia, and then you may only PM your fellow mafia. I think PMs are too OP for town, so most things will happen in the thread this game. Always send in your PM actions to both LSB and myself or they might not be used. Apparently fish, orglove and 4 other people are members of a neutral circle. But how did you get through 50 pages without hearing about that? :p | ||
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Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread every day and night cycle to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers. Does this indicate that a post is required each day and each night or only once per 72 hour period? | ||
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Annul You are the Bodyguard! | ||
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I think at this point we have no reason to trust the mods. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:54 DCLXVI wrote: I can't catch up on the thread quite yet, but as I am reading through it (60-65) people seem to think that I claimed bodyguard. Who first said that I did, and did he even read my posts? Someone (i need to reread it) said that I claimed, and then everyone just took it to be true. Please reread my posts before continuing with that line of discussion. Take a look at the lazy vigilante role, my addition to artanis's ruling was that the bodyguards do more than protect the mayor at night. therefore I have information about how the mayor can/can't be killed (especially at lynching time). Heavy FOS on the first people to say I claimed bodyguard - that was outright distorting my posts. Ill be back in a few hours at the most to respond to the next 15 pages... It would have been a lot more helpful if you didn't make such a cryptic claim and were actually there to correct people's interpretation, rather than commenting 30 pages later. Also, this thread is getting an awful lot of spam on DrH's non-ability to confirm his blueness. If the mafia did indeed place a roleblock on him, which is certainly a possibility, then we are only falling for what they had intended. I'm not saying to automatically assume DrH is blue, but he only has one additional vote and can still attempt to verify his role in the next few nights, so it might be better worth our efforts to analyze others so we can find a valid lynch target. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. What happens if you are lying about never lying? Then we are all doomed! As for the Aeres mishap, I understand his reasoning. When he claimed bodyguard, my first thought was that it could be a move to protect a vulnerable DrH. Its not unreasonable to think he was just trying to draw mafia hits, which would be especially useful with his actual role. I do wonder, however, why reveal your actual role if you are trying to draw hits? | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote: mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town? How so? | ||
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On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote: It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness. If you have no defense, is there someone else you can point blame on that would be a better alternative than yourself? If you are indeed town, then allowing yourself to be lynched so easily would be a much greater mistake than your fake role claim. | ||
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On October 17 2010 06:35 Kenpachi wrote: /in Mafia is so fun to read cant really say. im not one to decide on inactivity.. right now, i only read posts with my name in it and so far im a suspect again.. Would it be possible to provide evidential clues >_> It looks like we have a contradiction there. Kenpachi claims to love reading mafia, yet only reads the couple of posts he is mentioned? I know kenpachi played a really scummy style of town from Haunted mafia, but he isn't making a great case for himself again. LOL THE BOOGER. well, would it be that someone has a nosepicking related profile? is he even mafia? also, i am not the elder guys. Is it even confirmed if HE is the mafia either? ~_~ For completeness purposes, here is his only other post, attempting to analyze profile clues that don't exist. | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:56 NB wrote: i want to know 1 thing before i said anything..... Node said that at day he knows who will die at night, so who is it this night? He claims DCLXVI. | ||
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On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote: More of a role claim than slip i thought i work at a radio Anyone else find this concerning? This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. He doesn't just say the thinks DrH is red, he act's as if he knows it, which he can't be true (unless they are teammates I suppose). Why would a blue role try to stir up confusion like this? I guess the possibility he wants to get himself lynched still remains. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:46 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah, L, you keep saying that you're not hurting the town, but to me, pushing people towards someone who has a high chance of being blue (even though, not in your eyes), is pretty hurtful to the town. Not focusing blame on reds, is pretty hurtful to the town. Playing based on intuition and "this role can't possibly exist in insane mafia", is hurtful to the town. And yeah, with players like you in the front lines, the Mafia has a STRONG chance of winning. I've been saying this for a long time now, it's no news. In fact, the more you assure me that you're confident in your guess, the more I look forward to dying due to your accusations, just to see how you're gonna backpedal your way out of that one. You're probably going to blame mods for creating this dumb role, and say that your reasoning was foolproof, but it's not your fault that my role was this crappy. Good luck with that! I propose inferiority complex: CubEdln ![[image loading]](http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:MBEIRorGMkCB0M:http://www.s3n2.com/images/articles/drmario3/01.jpg&t=1) L ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/34082.jpg?1273422591) Remind me CubEdln, was the color of the pill you chose blue or red? | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [ Divinek the Mafia Plague Doctor is now dead. Well I guess that infers some town members also have the power to use Murrayitis against the mafia? That's a good thing I suppose. | ||
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On November 03 2010 13:09 bumatlarge wrote: It seems you are a bit confused as to the reasons why I would be scummy at all. And Dr. H is in my circle. So is one other that I wont disclose. I was under the assumption that you could only invite one person per night and there has only been one set of resolved night actions so far, unless the invitation process takes place during the day? | ||
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On November 04 2010 04:15 deconduo wrote: Went through the list of people, and these are the names that I feel are lurking: Hyperbola infundibulum Kenpachi KtheZ Lexpar kitaman27 Just pointing out that we have the same number of posts in the thread :p In regards to the issue of using a medic on 666, I think the chance of a bomber is worth the risk. If it works then we take away a mafia kill and/or Node's role is confirmed to some extent and if you get bombed then hopefully at worst its one extra death in return for the death of a mafia and not having to worry about the bomber anymore (if it even exists). That is assuming 2 medics don't double up on 666, which will be hard to coordinate unless they have pm powers. There is always the chance of a m-rus attack, but that might be less likely if 666 is already set to die. | ||
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On November 04 2010 04:41 CubEdIn wrote: 1. If I do, I'll be left open, so another medic would have to protect me -> useless strategy. Aren't you already left open? You say the mafia already knows your identity after-all. Unless you are claiming you plan to protect yourself, which would be a poor claim as the mafia would then not bother targeting you with a kp. 2. If there are medics out there who are NOT known by the mafia, they can probably protect without risking much. At the same time, it would be more risky for a unknown medic to risk a bomber than a public one. | ||
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Also, it was his post that revealed the extra information in the first place. | ||
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On November 04 2010 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: a trap ain't a trap if you explain it first eh Nor is a trap a trap if laid by friend rather than foe. What Dr.H said, but I'll just clarify my post: Left open = not protecting self. So yeah, that's what I meant. If I vow to protect 666 to "prove my role" or something, then I might as well hang myself. So it's more useful to promise NOT to, so that medics won't stack-up on him. Ya I didn't really intend for you to respond to my original post, I just didn't see why you would commit either way. | ||
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On November 04 2010 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i agree with you about bum, there is no reason a medic should announce their plans to the town/mafia and idk how i feel about kitaman27 criticising him for not explaining exactly what he was thinking Nope, pretty sure that didn't happen. I never put him at fault for not explaining his actions. Although, that is the second time you have tried to place blame upon me. | ||
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On November 04 2010 07:20 kitaman27 wrote: Nope, pretty sure that didn't happen. I never put him at fault for not explaining his actions. Although, that is the second time you have tried to place blame upon me. And to be clear, I never asked for a medic to announce their plans either. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright, here's an assignment. We're gonna analyse all the posts about Pandain to see who else defended him suspiciously. We're all gonna do a certain amount of the posts in this thread. Each person will do a different page. There are 6 pages of Pandain posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q="pandain"&t=c&f=31&u=&gb=date I'll take the third page, because I like the number 3 and its around the middle of the game when he is campaigning. Someone call each page, go post by post and post any interesting findings that might lead to other mafia. Now we get aggressive. Line em up and knock em down. Dibs on page 5 | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:37 KtheZ wrote: kitaman we can BOTH DO PAGE 5 :D but with all seriousness, how do I know which page is which O.o lol whoops I missed that, I'll do 6 then. The page is based on the link DrH posted. There are like 100 posts per page | ||
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On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote: so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people? really? thats as anti town as it gets. Coag attacks jcarlsoniv and comes off overly aggressive On November 03 2010 04:26 Pandain wrote: baseless assumption What about NB, then? Pandain defends NB after his inactivity is questioned. On November 03 2010 04:26 Pandain wrote: NO! BAD! This is a very anti town move. Pms were, and even with 3 of Fishball's member's dying, are one of the greatest things town has right now. Why? Town circle, obviously. Telling everyone to claim just allows mafia to snipe people off, while giving town really no useful info when just one person claiming would have the same result. this is very suscipcious. Strongly opposed to revealing the members of fish's circle On November 03 2010 06:55 LunarDestiny wrote: DrH's reply to Pandain is logical and I don't believe that Pandain is try to twist your word to make you look scum. I think he is misinform about your ability to semi prove that a person is town or mafia (heck. I was confused about your ability before that reply of yours). LundarDestiny defends Pandain's attack on DrH On November 04 2010 03:20 NB wrote: regarding your situation: considering the following: everyone has a unique role (since no role has been repeated so far as we know) + node is not lying => only 1 medic => there are 2 person that could be dead by tonight: Dr.H and You => 1 person will die with out medic protection! so if i understand your post right, you dont care if a medic saving you or not and willing to risk it? Pandain requests medic on DCLXVI. NB questions why DCLXVI wouldn't want a medic. (although I also suggested a medic protect DCLXVI later on) | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:53 Coagulation wrote: vigilante but i have a high chance of killing myself i havnt used it yet And how is that a SUPERPOWERFUL role? And why would you take the blue pill and be a regular townie? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch Maybe Coagulation and vig hit him and kill himself in the process :p | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:00 Coagulation wrote: when i do a vig hit i have 50% chance of holding gun wrong direction but i can use it as often as i want. Cool. Who do you you suggested lynching instead?  | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:19 Ace wrote: But he checked you and Nemesis. Maybe he was suspicious of you, but when was he suspicious of Nemesis? Basically if he's looking for alignment checks then he'd be checking the people he felt were the scummiest players right? So I guess the real question here is to see if Pandain was always checking who he felt was Scum based on his posts in the thread. The problem here is that Dr.H was his main target. That being said if Pandain felt that you and Nemesis were supporting Dr.H then maybe his checks do add up. He claims its random. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:37 LunarDestiny wrote: I don't really pick my booger so I don't know. LAL | ||
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Rules are rules afterall. | ||
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On November 06 2010 00:20 CubEdIn wrote: @ Lunar - I am one of those who voted for Coag. Please explain in more detail why I should change to Pandain. Here is why I'm thinking I shouldn't. We are more sure that Coag is red then we are of Pandain. We are guessing Pandain is so due to behavior (both his and Coag's). We pretty much know that Coag is due to the DT, the way he reacted (I got a really cool role guys but you see, ummm, wait, i'll have to think about it a bit.), etc. Why should I vote for someone that I'm only ..say.. 75% sure of (Pan) when I can vote for someone that I'm 95% sure of (Coag) ?? The second the DT post was made, Coag was doomed. Mafia knew that as well as we did. The fact that you're thinking that they're letting him die and not Pandain BECAUSE Pand has a better role, seems silly. Also, for a kind-of wild card reason: Look at the vote lists. Assume that coag is red, and that pandain is a coinflip (humor me, for this, so there are 5-6 mafia left). Now look at the vote lists. Which of them seems more stacked with Mafia? Based on your own judgement of what happened so far, your own instincts and what not. To me, Pandain's list seems more stacked with people I don't trust 100% (Hyperbola, Beneather, Youngminii, Meapak_Ziphh). Although I don't trust them mostly because of lurking, I can't help but consider the possibility that Pandain is telling the truth and the mafia wants coag to live an extra day. I agree, the chance of Pandain NOT being mafia are LOWER then the chances of him being mafia. But we're like, 95% sure that Coag IS mafia. Why give him another day? Can't we give Pandain another day instead? Please feel free to convince me otherwise, I'll gladly change my vote if a good argument is made. P.S.: I do not really trust 666 due to his shifty play so far, plus, even if he's telling the truth he could (and probably will) be roleblocked, so I'm not gonna trust him 100% for a red's death, sorry. I think the main reason people feel we should lynch Pandain first is that it gives us more information to use in the upcoming double lynch. If he pops blue then we go after those who pushed his lynch, if he pops red then we go after those he is associated with. Even though we know Coag is probably red, he has been much quieter. There is also the fact that DC claims to have a bomb on Coag and a possible townie so if we lynch Coag, one of his bombs has the change of being wasted. That being said, I'm keeping my vote on Coag, as he is more of a sure thing and I haven't seen enough evidence against Pandain to convince me he is scum. | ||
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On November 06 2010 05:30 Pandain wrote: We know your town now, but I would do the same thing had I gone back in time. Not to discredit our glorious Mayor, but we only know he is probably town. He has proven his ability to carry out his role, not that it is a blue role. I'm not saying he should be next up on the chopping block, but it is dangerous to assume something like that. | ||
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SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE HAS BEEN USED ON COAGULATION | ||
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On November 06 2010 06:56 LSB wrote: That was fast Maybe because I just submitted the vote? :p | ||
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I kid, I kid. | ||
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This doesn't sit well with me, switching. | ||
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The voting cycle will be the TL standard 48 hour days, 24 hour nights. The cycles will end/begin at 0:00CET/07:00KST/18:00EST (subject to change due to winter time in Europe) Oh I'm not sure then. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:03 Pandain wrote: if i die, brilliant move by mafia though. You're sounding really illogical at the moment. First you are upset that the mafia used their secret vote to not lynch you, and now you are upset that you might be lynched? I'm confused. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote: kitaman27 is best mafia player ever. look at him asking questions he knows answers for. well played sir. bravo. Ouch, let me tighten that noose a bit more. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:13 LunarDestiny wrote: I really don't like Kitaman's switch. It just too fast of a respond. voting: (pandain vs. coag) The situation was 12 vs 12 Then secret mafia vote->12 vs 13 Kita within 1 minute (6:55-6:56) change his vote from coag to pandain, result 13 vs 12. Pandain should be lynched then, but LSB messed up on the time. So Kita was refreshing the voting thread just as the secret mafia post was cast. Within 1 minute, changed his vote from coag to pandain. Very hard to believe. Mafia attempts to put the nail in the coffin at the last moment. I switch to prevent that. And yes I happened to refresh the vote count and was the first to notice it. If your implication is based upon the time of a page refresh then its pretty weak. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:18 Beneather wrote: Coagulation is just begging to not be lynched and just keep pointing the finger at Pandain. I'd say Coagulation is the Mafia Switching my vote to Coagulation . Err, was that ever a question? | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:21 kitaman27 wrote: Mafia attempts to put the nail in the coffin at the last moment. I switch to prevent that. And yes I happened to refresh the vote count and was the first to notice it. If your implication is based upon the time of a page refresh then its pretty weak. Also, looking back it was 3 minutes, not 1. Normally, I would just ignore that, but the fact that you inserted the incorrect time stamps is a bit weird. | ||
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On November 06 2010 07:52 Coagulation wrote: YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE BANDWAGON AT LAST MINUTE? SECRETZ MAFIA VOTER. JUS SAYIN. Surprisingly, he makes a valid point. Looking back, if the mafia really wanted to decided the vote, they would have submitted at 6:59 rather than 6:55. It is possible sending it in slightly early was an attempt to force someone to make a choice without time to think about it. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:31 Glasse wrote: So i didn't read everything about the discussion, who is confirmed mafia if coag is red? was it pandain? cubedin? Confirmed? No one. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:49 Pandain wrote: Idk, ask them n.n. Probably feared coag getting lynched. Why would they fear coag getting lynched and proceed to vote to lynch coag? | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:54 Pandain wrote: Why do you think Dr. H/even you are mafia? You just said an hour or two ago DrH was definitely town. | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:57 Pandain wrote: Where did I say Dr. H was mafia with that? Maybe I misinterpreted what "Why do you think Dr. H/even you are mafia?" meant. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:22 KtheZ wrote: Considering that the state of the town is in complete disarray, I will now roleclaim. I am the detective. However, I suspect that I am an "insane detective". The reasons and my finding will be below. On night 1, I forgot to investigate anyone, being the lurker dumbass I was. On night 2, I investigated Pandain. I found him to be the MAFIA Garbage collector. On night 3, I investigated infinitestory, and found him to be the MAFIA ADD detective. Now, what the hell? Why would the mafia have an ADD Detective? This has led me to conclude that I am insane. Now, assuming I'm an insane detective, it is apparent that Pandain and infinitestory are town-aligned. I am no longer into lynching pandain; I had found him to be mafia, which is why i was so ardent in pursuing his lynch. I feel that infinitestory's results are now trustworthy, and that pandain did not lie about his role. If you think I am lying, look at my posts against pandain. I was so one-mindedly pursuing pandain because I thought he was mafia. However, this night has confirmed my sad suspicion that I am "insane". Mind giving the name of your role and a better description of how it works? Is it straight up detective or is there more to it? | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:24 infinitestory wrote: By the way~ DrH poked me last night. May he rest in peace. Also, with the results of my check from last night, I found a blue. Do you guys want me to reveal? (and if so, just alignment, or role name as well?) I would say no to the role name. Maybe the alignment, unless you feel revealing it would hurt us as a town. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:33 Glasse wrote: I really hate lurkers, i feel like there HAS to be a mafia hiding in them Agreed. Carefully watching the lurkers should be a priority. Especially those who disappear for periods of time after the town has formed a majority opinion. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote: Can we confirm that pandain is town given KtheZ's check. I would want to believe that both infinitestory and pandain town rather than both of them being mafia. If they are both town, then Pandain confirmation of Nemesis being town is also true. Only if we assume KtheZ is telling the truth. Him and Pandain have been pretty pretty close so far so they are likely the same alignment. Claiming an insane role by referencing one of our only likely confirmed blues, infinitestory, would be really easy to pull off. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:47 infinitestory wrote: By "pretty close," do you mean KtheZ was one of the most ardent pushers of lynching Pandain? Oh my bad, I must have that confused. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:47 KtheZ wrote: Could you explain how I have been in any way close to pandain? Sorry I recalled your "if Pandain flips blue" post and had the outcomes reversed. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:49 KtheZ wrote: Of course I'm not 100% sure if I am an insane detective. Maybe i only have a 50% chance of mixing it up. However, I do confirm infinitestory as ADD Detective and thus as town. You being insane is the only thing that makes sense. [/quote] I have a question. Why check infinitestory when he has already claimed and proven his role? That doesn't add up. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:54 Nemesis wrote: That was night 2, meaning before he claimed his role Also, NODE HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO Are you sure? KtheZ On night 3, I investigated infinitestory, and found him to be the MAFIA ADD detective. | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:00 infinitestory wrote: wait, shit if Beneather had put his voodoo doll on DrH, that would explain how it looks like mafia got 3 kills but NB survived. Ya, that's what I assumed for the story, however we are still missing DC's second bomb. Did it not go off? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:01 kitaman27 wrote: Ya, that's what I assumed for the story, however we are still missing DC's second bomb. Did it not go off? Or perhaps whoever the bomb went off on was protected by a medic that night. | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:04 LunarDestiny wrote: DCLXVI the Crazy Mad Hatter has tin foil hatted himself. You are the Crazy Mad Hatter! Once per night, you may plant a bomb on someone or switch the bomb with someone else, and they will go off if you die. However, should you survive night 3, you put on a tin foil hat and place a bomb under your own bed and die, unless you're saved by a doctor that night. This does not trigger your other bombs. You have two bombs. Ah, it is weird the way he played that out then. | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this: DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying. Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H. Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped. Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role. Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? From the sound of the night post, it looks like Cubed protected himself, but was then role blocked. | ||
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On November 07 2010 11:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good luck town. Don't start playing dumb. Stay sharp and really think about things. Don't make insane assumptions, avenge my death! I think a couple people still think you're scum :p Still waiting on Pandain to reveal his findings. | ||
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On November 07 2010 12:42 Ace wrote: I started the Aeres and the Pandain bandwagon. Both of which I said were scummy. Before K's DT check most of us agreed Pandain was scum. I don't see where the issue is there. What are you going to do, lynch me because I pointed out lots of scum play between them both? Secondly I was never accused by Dr.H or bum of being Scum. Bum said IF I'm mafia to kill him in a PM - a PM I revealed along with my entire conversation history with bum. So explain how that paints me as scummy? Also if we are going to go the route of an innocent player died so let's look at who was interacting with him then you yourself would be a prime suspect. Dr.H didn't exactly trust you and I don't either. Since you are so great at starting bandwagons then, who should be next? We need to come up with two and I don't really see a lot of options at the moment >.< | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:05 infinitestory wrote: a DT that always gets results that the target is mafia Or he could also not be a DT at all and has conveniently checked the two people who have claimed. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:07 deconduo wrote: Keep an eye out on everyone running for mayor, theres a good chance maf will throw in a candidate or two. Places blame upon Mayoral candidates. It is possible that no mafia decided to run at all. On November 02 2010 04:30 deconduo wrote: Next, I'm gonna vote for youngmini. -Inactive most of day 1 -Doesn't get lynched when he should have been -Is suddenly very active -Is pushing really hard for the Aeres lynch I feel -Seems to be sucking up to/buddying Dr.H -I get a weird vibe from him. People I'm suspicious of: Pandain/Dr.H - childish, pretty pointless arguing from both sides. Lexpar - random, unexplained comments about Dr. H and his role. Glasse - Obvious why. Probably some sort of VI role. People I think are helping town (Not necessarily townie/trustworthy, just that they are helping): Misder - Good points/analysis Infinitestory - Good thinking Coagulation - Some weird stuff, but overall is good I think. Ace? (hard to read, not too sure on this. He's meant to be a veteran player) Targets youngmini. Contradicts himself with reasoning. Disapproves pushing hard for an Aeres lynch yet places Ace on his trust list. In addition to youngmini, he also targets Amber[LighT] several times later on. On November 03 2010 05:47 deconduo wrote: Misder, (Has been active earlier today, but not for a few hours. Don't want to lose him, he's made some good points  )Supports Misder's apparent amazing analysis not once, but twice. On November 03 2010 07:05 deconduo wrote: And KtheZ sneaks in just in time to vote and then disappear again. On November 03 2010 23:17 deconduo wrote: Again this was the situation: There is one real bodyguard (as stated by mods) DC had softclaimed, seemingly in error (not realising this is bad) Maf could in theory kill DC + Mayor that very night throwing town into chaos. So he claims BG as well knowing maf won't waste 2KP on the risk that he is not faking and is actually telling the truth. This plan succeeded because: Our mayor is still alive. This plan failed because: a) DC wasn't real BG (apparently) b) Real BG died during the night (randomly it seems) c)Terrible execution by Aeres (Transparent, got caught in the lie, made mistakes. Shit happens) Again this is all my interpretation of Aeres' plan, and I might have made minor mistakes in the details. I still maintain it was good idea, and was just executed badly. On November 03 2010 23:19 Ace wrote: How can a plan succeed and fail at the same time deconduo? Thank god you aren't the mod of this game. On November 03 2010 23:22 deconduo wrote: Oh, and you were already warned about personal attacks. I don't really see how deconduo's poor analysis relates to his ability to mod a game. Deconduo responds with a fake claim about warning. Something seems off here. Went through the list of people, and these are the names that I feel are lurking: Hyperbola infundibulum Kenpachi KtheZ Lexpar kitaman27 And to a lesser extent: Bumatlarge (Ran for mayor, haven't seen him much since apart from the bit about Dr. H and his circle) LunarDestiny Meapak_Ziphh RebirthOfLegend fails to make the list despite having only five posts in the 4 day period after joining the game. It is up to debate whether this omission was intended, however. | ||
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On November 07 2010 16:22 infinitestory wrote: ^kitaman: I'm not sure whether we can glean very much from those posts. Also, Misder was blue (modkilled some time ago), if that matters much. I know, can't hurt to take a look though. | ||
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Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:13 Pandain wrote: 1.Whats your role name 2.What EXACTLY does it do. 3.Who else did you check. 1. I am a Watcher 2. I am informed if my target leaves their house for the night and what type of action they perform 3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] On November 08 2010 06:16 LunarDestiny wrote: Kitaman, please do it fast to avoid suspicion that you are discussing with the mafia. I assure you, if I was mafia, I wouldn't wait until after my claim to come up with the details anyways. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:21 Pandain wrote: What exactly did you find out. Did it say "Ace has left and killed BLAH" and/or "ACE SPREADS THE MRUS" I was informed Ace left his house to make a hit. He was also involved in the the spread of M-Rus. I was not informed who he targeted. | ||
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It all makes sense now. He isn't an Ace, he's the Joker! :o | ||
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Ty ^_^ zealots > defiler any day. | ||
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On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote: This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. Thanks for my role clarification. I didn't realize you were a mod. No, I was not given the tracker role, I was given the watcher role. On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote: This is impossible. 1.) That's a Tracker role, not Watcher. If you were a Watcher you'd be able to see who visited me last night. Trackers would be able to see who I visited. So you're lying about your role claim. 2.) If you were a Tracker/Watcher you would have been given the name of who I visited last night. If you're claim is legit then why didn't you say WHO I visited to prove it? You didn't. I see what you did there. You modified my role and then attacked me for not following your modification. Clever. On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote: He also said he didn't do this because he was waiting...right. Waiting to see who the lynch wagon was going to hit today before coming through with this "breakthrough" information. This is one of the worst role claims ever since it doesn't even make SENSE. How are you so quick to believe this? On November 07 2010 08:39 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. Carefully watching the lurkers should be a priority. Especially those who disappear for periods of time after the town has formed a majority opinion. I had a feeling you might claim this. Luckily, I decided to hide my discovery in a post right after I found out you were scum. That way when you accuse me of making the claim up, I can show you I had the information prior to finding out who would be the lynch targets. On November 08 2010 07:54 Ace wrote: To top it all off when asked who he also checked - it turns out it's Infundibulum who was "cleared" by Infinitestory and Amber[light] who is slated to die tonight. Thankfully it doesn't matter if Amber[light] is slated to die or not tonight. Only that he is willing to confirm he did not leave his house on night two. On November 08 2010 07:40 Ace wrote: So now lets look at the people who quickly jumped on the lynch Ace wagon even though Kita's claim makes no sense. Of course, Kita for the lynch also. Nice scare tactic. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:13 Nemesis wrote: Hmm well the thing is Ace if he is found to be lying, then there is no way he can talk his way out of it next day phase. But I guess it doesn't matter whether we lynch you or him to find out whether he's lying or not. But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious. Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights? On November 08 2010 06:19 kitaman27 wrote: 3. I have checked Infundibulum and Amber[Light] Neither left their houses the night I watched them. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:17 Ace wrote: So explain how your role name is Watcher but has Tracker abilities? I didn't modify your role - they are two completely different roles. Watcher - Able to target a player. You either get the names of the people that visited the target that night or the number of players that visited the target. Tracker - Able to target a player. You find out who the target visited that night. I'm pretty sure L informed Cube that his role was impossible based on the description as well. That went well. Watcher is the name my role was given. About Amber[light] - you don't think it's incredibly convenient that the 2 people you tracked : 1.) 1 was already claimed to be innocent by another player 2.) The other is slated to die tonight anyway So you don't have information on any other player, just 2 guys who are pretty much "solved". Come on, that's very convenient don't you think? You are choosing to ignore the most important part, however. It doesn't matter that I know Amber is going to die tonight. Amber has not revealed his role to this point. Quite an unnecessary gamble that I claim he never left his house night two, don't you think? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:23 Nemesis wrote: Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited? Which days were who visited? inf on night one amber on night two ace on night three | ||
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Explain to me why I would put myself out here like this to target a single town member. 14 town remaining 5 mafia remaining A 1:1 trade doesn't work out too well, now does it? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:27 Ace wrote: I don't know, maybe because if Amber did have a role that could leave his house by now he would have said something? 3 Nights have passed so it's not a big gamble to assume that if Amber did have an active role he'd have done something by now. Besides that doesn't say anything about Amber's alignment. But ok, let's put the fact that you have a Watcher role with Tracker abilities aside. If I was involved in the killings last night then who did I kill? If you are a Watcher role with some new kind of description then why don't you have the name of the player I targeted?. If you look back at my explanation, I don't receive the name of the player you target. You were the one that added that part to my role description. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:36 L wrote: Uh, please go back and read what I actually wrote. I said Cube's role didn't make sense unless there was some other role that could capitalize on the information, which I had no clue existed. Afterwards, I realized that if mafia was told who the doc is and if they had a m-rus spreader, they could give him M-rus, and use his prots to spread it around. I never said Cube's role was impossible, only that there was a piece of the puzzle that was missing, that I ended up filling in later, because no one else bothered to do any thinking about it. Ok. That wasn't a post aimed to make you look bad. I was just showing that denying the plausibility of a role, as if we know better, has not proven successful. Ace is basing his defense on the name of my role, while ignoring the fact that Amber has been able to confirm it. On November 08 2010 08:34 Nemesis wrote: Hmm well honestly I don't care who gets lynched at this point. Depending on who flips what, the next day lynch is quite clear. Well you should care. One more mafia death lowers their kp so order does matter. On November 08 2010 08:36 Ace wrote: I wasn't saying you aren't. Just illustrating how convenient it all shapes up. @IS: Read my latest post as to how it just doesn't fit with the rest of the game. @Kita: Exactly. How can you not receive the name of the target when BOTH roles that you're alleged role is based on always do? How can your role be called WATCHER and it doesn't tell you who I interacted with? I can only tell you what my role gives me. I suggest you have a talk with Artanis[xp] post-game if you would like to discuss adjusting the name of my role. On November 08 2010 08:33 Ace wrote: WIFOM. It's double lynch and you could be doing this to save a scum buddy with a better role. Using the "I wouldn't trade myself for a townie" is irrelevant as I'm sure Scum would love to get me lynched Naw, you can brush that off so easily. Its 14-5. A 1:1 trade is not beneficial, especially considering there has been little suspicion on me prior to this. @Ace Since I'm taking you down with me either way, do you intend to role claim? Or are you holding off while your scum buddies formulate a plan to prevent yourself from being caught in a lie. | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:05 Ace wrote: Amber did not confirm your role. Amber confirmed that he did not visit anyone - that's all. Why would I risk something like that? Amber had not role claimed, so there is a chance he had left that night, and my claim falls to pieces. On November 08 2010 Ace wrote: 3 Nights have passed so it's not a big gamble to assume that if Amber did have an active role he'd have done something by now. I feel that's a pretty big slip. It would be safe to assume Amber hasn't left his house because he hasn't role claimed by day three? lol A 1:1 trade isn't beneficial? Really, so knocking me out of the game when all suspicions on me boil down to "how are you still alive?" isn't great? Ok. No it isn't great because I die the next day if you pop blue (which I'm confidant you won't). On November 08 2010 09:05 Ace wrote: Your only response is to take it up with Artanis but so far, all of Artanis's roles have some bearing on their originals. So why does he need to say anything? You are putting words in my mouth. I never said Artanis has to say anything. I suggested you talk with him after the game if you feel my role is inappropriately named. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:04 youngminii wrote: If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave. I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace. There is something really shifty going on here. How do you guys go from a dt confirming scum to suggesting we not even lynch the scum? Ace and I must have opposite alignments. Pandain and I? Not necessarily. Either you are gravely misjudging the situation or are scum as well. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:16 Pandain wrote: Ya, cause mafia are definitely going to claim Trash Collector.... And he's also the one who FAKE ROLECLAIMED! Let me post this many times, in case people don't understand. We have like a surefire lynch right here. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. He roleclaimed the wrong role. Lets not embarrass yourself If I was mafia, do you honestly believe the five of us would choose the name "watcher" if we knew it could mean something else? You guys are biting on a really weak defense. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:30 Ace wrote: Also how convenient this is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=3394&topic_id=161289 So kita claims he did whatever his fakeclaim role does and saw that Inf never left his house, AFTER Inf already says he hasn't used his role. Come on this is such a sad fake claim. He didn't do any investigating. His role doesn't make sense, he has no information on who I would have targeted if I have a visiting role, the role doesn't fit in with any other roles in the game, and he conveniently visited 2 players who were already cleared? Seriously? No way you guys are buying this right? Why chose Amber then? Why not someone already dead like DrH? That would have been even more convenient wouldn't it? | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:32 Ace wrote: Or maybe you really just messed up your fake claim? Ok so let's assume you got the wrong role name and it's supposed to be a Tracker. Why doesn't your role tell you who I targeted last night if it's legit? Why can't you answer that? Why can't you even address the fact that alleged your role is radically different from every other role in the game so far? Again, you are modifying my role and attacking me for not being able to adhere to your modification. I am not a tracker and do not receive information regarding who you targeted. Simple as that. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:35 Ace wrote: Because it's more convenient? Because Night Actions fail on the Mayor? Because if you said you tracked Dr.H on Night 2 everyone would ask why you didn't track him on Night 1 instead when it would have made more sense? Hey, I don't know why you chose Amber. But it doesn't address the other facts here: Your role doesn't fit with anything else in the game and you reveal 2 convenient targets to claim you watched. Again, explain to my why Amber is a "convenient target". He is not. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:40 Ace wrote: Even if you are a WATCHER you get either the names of the target or the number of targets. Both Watcher and Tracker roles involve getting the names of the targets. If you were really either one this is what you'd see: Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X. Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace. This is what you revealed: Ace was involved in the hit last night. How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him. I asked which person did you track/watch me to? You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying. On November 08 2010 10:40 Ace wrote: Even if you are a WATCHER you get either the names of the target or the number of targets. Both Watcher and Tracker roles involve getting the names of the targets. If you were really either one this is what you'd see: Tracker: You tracked Ace visiting Player X. Watcher : You watched Ace and Players X and Y or X amount of Players visited Ace. This is what you revealed: Ace was involved in the hit last night. How does that relate to either role? You have no information on what other targets were involved. You pretty much just said: Ace is Mafia because I found him tracked/watched him. I asked which person did you track/watch me to? You STILL can't answer that. No matter which role you choose you still need a target. You have none. You're lying. If that's how your watcher role worked when you mod the game, then fine. But that's not the role I received. You are my target. I receive information regarding whether or not you left your house and what type of action you performed. I was told you were involved in a hit and were responsible for spreading M-Rus. Also, why choose Amber? You STILL can't answer that. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:55 youngminii wrote: @Ace: I'm saying we kill kitaman and Pandain. If Pandain flips red and kitaman flips blue, then we lynch you. If the opposite happens, then we don't touch you. I think it's pretty reasonable, since I'm certain one of the two are scum. Think about what you are suggesting though. You are certain one of the two are scum. More certain than the chances of Ace or I being scum? I don't understand your logic. | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:56 Ace wrote: I don't know why you chose Amber. I said it's convenient that you chose him after he was cleared. I stated the night I watched him and he then confirmed he did not make an action on that date. There is no convenience as he did not reveal his actions prior to my declaration. Your argument is wrong. On November 08 2010 10:58 Ace wrote: I've been saying Pandain is Scum for like what, 3 days now? But I'm just shocked that no one else is noticing these bandwagon votes coming out of no where. How many lurkers have we seen just jump out of the woodwork. Pandain, look at Ace throwing you under the bus. I know Ace and I are of opposite alignments. I can see the possibility of you being a mislead town who bought into Ace's deceptive argument. That's why I have not pushed against you while you target me. | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:09 Ace wrote: READ! Amber never did anything for 3 nights. He never talked about having a role. So you choosing him isn't a big gamble - it's convenient. Why aren't you answering the other questions about your role not making sense with the rest of the game? You also don't think it's convenient that after Inf admits he hasn't used his role yet and that Is says he checked Inf you claim to have tracked/watched Inf Night 1? No that is wrong. Him not talking about having a role does not give me information on whether or not he used his role. You never talked about your role yet you did indeed make a night action last night. See the contradiction? I can only give you what my role says, but I'm sure you know that by now, as that is what you continue to push. Inf admitting to not using his role yet does not weaken my argument, it just doesn't confirm it. You are clutching at straws. | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: Amber never says he has role. You come out and say Amber didn't perform a night action. How is that a big gamble? How isn't it? I have no information whether or not Amber performed a night action. Just because he doesn't role claim, doesn't mean he hasn't done anything all game. On November 08 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: Inf admitted he hasn't used his role. You come out and say Inf never performed a Night Action. That isn't convenient to you? If you look back, I was the first person to tell infinitestory not to reveal infundibulum's role. 0/2. On November 08 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: you STILL haven't explained why your claim doesn't include me visiting someone. Watcher and Tracker will never say Ace was found at the scene of the crime. I never realized you had access to the role list. Mind if I get a copy? | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:27 Ace wrote: oh ok, guess that solves that. He still claimed it after I posted your quote from earlier here: This was posted before he claimed. You don't think it's convenient that after you say this he claimed he checked you Night 1? I prefer not to repeat myself, but for you, I will. The inf arguement does not discredit my claim. It simply can not be used to confirm my claim. Thankfully, I also have Amber to back my claim up. | ||
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On November 08 2010 11:30 Ace wrote: So you told IS not to reveal Inf's role so that makes you innocent? OMG wow! Nope, again you are putting words in my mouth. Shame on you. The inf situtation does not make me innocent, though I never claimed it does. It simply doesn't mean I'm guilty. I am claiming Amber is what makes me innocent. I don't have access to the role list but I have access to tons of Mafia games. You don't have a Tracker or Watcher role I know that for a fact. Care to make a proposition bet? :p | ||
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On November 08 2010 14:18 infinitestory wrote: did you miss the several pages long discussion on kitaman's watcher/tracker/whatever role name incongruency? That's not obvious, that's Ace's desperate attempt to discredit me when I revealed he was scum. Also KtheZ, did you really just change your vote based on the opinion of someone who is calling for your lynch? I am a Dt who discovered Ace is mafia. Don't fall for this deception. I have to ask you young, why are you so easily willing to accept that I'm mafia, but reject my argument that Ace is? You earlier stated the importance of lowering the mafia kp, yet now you are voting for me and KtheZ, which have no relation to each other? Either you are defending a scum buddy or your analysis disappointments me. On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: If it doesn't make you innocent then it makes you guilty. Wtf? Either you misinterpreted what I wrote or I don't get what this is supposed to mean. Not sure which. On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: Amber has not claimed. Amber has not said anything about his night Actions. How does that make you innocent? I said it's not a gamble because Amber never revealed information. You say it makes you innocent. HOW does that make any sense? I'm not sure if you are just hoping people read this an accept it as fact or what. Here is a time-line for you: Amber reveals no information about his role I claimed Amber did not leave his house night two. Amber verifies that he did not leave his house night two. Profit. On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: There is only 1 thing in your entire claim that makes sense. But the fact that you so readily assumed I am Mafia based on it just shows me your bullshitting. What might that be? I would love to agree on something. | ||
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On November 08 2010 14:40 Ace wrote: I thought you were a Watcher/Tracker of some sort? So now you are a detective? Incredible. You can't even keep your fake claim straight. Something did happen last night. But I know your claim is wrong because you can't be Watcher/Tracker or you would have told me a name by now. So since you aren't either you are now a Detective. LOL. Cmon now. That's really desperate. I stated from the start that I'm a detective variation. Lets not play these name games. | ||
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On November 08 2010 14:57 Ace wrote: ... We just had a long, long argument about why you can't be a Watcher or Tracker. But you clearly just said you are a detective who discovered Ace is Mafia. If thats the case why even argue about Watcher/Tracker? Your original post says: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. You did not say Ace is Mafia. You said Ace was involved in the hit. So you can't be a detective or you would have said plainly you investigated me to be Scum. Nope, I'm still a watcher. I said dt because I'm a detective variation. I can check a role type, but only when they leave their house. You can't be a Watcher/Tracker because you don't have a target. If you were a legit Watcher/Tracker we wouldn't be having this conversation. I asked you WHO I'm linked to and you can't tell me. If you are a watcher/tracker then WHAT hit was I involved in last night? Are you really selling that the mod told you "Ace was involved in last night's hit" when there were 5 dead people? Wait, so are you confirming that you were involved in a hit last night? | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 4 Hello city of Insania, my name is Whacko Zacko. Today would be a day of mass slaughter in Insania. Doctorhelvetica was driving to meet up with several heads of the town, when he suddenly got shoved into a bus. This day, DoctorHelvetica would join the person who brought him life in death. In a completely different area in town, Beneather suddenly felt a shot through his stumach even though no shots were fired in the area. He died from his wounds. CubEdIn had expected mafia to come knocking on his door. He had locked his door shut and felt protected. Unfortunately, the mafia managed to sabotage his contain. A sticky goo thrown in prevented CubEdIn from doing anything. CubEdIn was strangled. Deconduo was seen as the hero of the day by mafia. Having carefully intercepted DoctorHelvetica earlier, he was now driving home. He came across someone he had talked to before. "Hey, an extra kill for the night, nice.", he thought. He stopped to let the man in, mistakenly assuming him to be no threat. This would be the last time deconduo underestimated anyone. DCLXVI was anxiously waiting for visitors this night. As the nordic dawn was rising, he couldn't take it anymore. He put on his tin foil hat and planted a bomb under his own bed. It exploded and DCLXVI was no more. Further news: The spread of Murrayitis continues across the land. While we have three reports of immunities so far, we have four people that are infested. Unfortunately, the town hero was unavailable for comment. One house was particularly busy today, with three men visiting his house for differing reasons. Unfortunately, today's cast of Radio Looney has been canceled. DoctorHelvetica the Sticky has been killed. Beneather the Voodoo Man has died. CubEdIn the Neo has been killed. deconduo the Mafia Bus Driver has been killed. DCLXVI the Crazy Mad Hatter has tin foil hatted himself. It is now Day! You have 48 hours to vote. Please remember that the double lynch is active. On November 08 2010 15:17 Ace wrote: Yep I was. Which is why I've been asking you about who the target was. On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this: DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying. Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H. Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped. Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role. Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? Glad we are making progress. So where in the explanation do you fit in? | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. . On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this: DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying. Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H. Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped. Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role. Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? So you admit to performing a vig type role on Deconduo and then proceed to provide a false outline of what happened that night. Sounds like an unnecessary lie that you know better than to commit. And that's not even getting to the fact that Deconduo has been relatively quiet. What could lead you to using up a vig role on him? | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:48 Ace wrote: So Aeres admits he lies AFTER I point out that in 3 different scenarios there's no way he could have been telling the truth. This is past policy lynching now, because if DC never said he didn't claim how are we sure Aeres would have "come clean"? He only admitted to the lie after both of us pretty showed he had to be bullshitting. On November 01 2010 14:05 Ace wrote: Seriously, why are we even discussing this? He got caught in a lie. There is no what if he's town stuff here. Even worse the scenario between him and DC was THE one concrete thing we had going for us to figure out scum. But you guys are sitting here arguing about Dr.H when right now we've got a more clear cut case to solve. The goal of the game is to lynch Mafia and we do it as easily as possible. Stop the WIFOM bullshit. you're only inviting trouble. We have confirmed Ace has lied about what he thought happened during the night. Shouldn't we hold him to his own standards? | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:06 infinitestory wrote: kitaman tells the truth: infun did not leave house, amber did not leave house, ace carried out a hit ace tells the truth: carried out the hit on deconduo that's how you can have it both ways Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him. | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Coinsidence? perhaps but it explains how a red got night killed. Thanks for explaining IS, I'm on board with kita and ace both being town. Then this is how it should have went down: Kita: Sup dude. I saw you kill someone last night. You gotta die. Ace: Naw man, its cool. I killed that mafia scum Instead, this is what happened: Kita: Sup dude. I saw you kill someone last night. You gotta die. Ace: YOUR ROLE NAME DOESN'T MATCH WHAT I'M USED TO. YOU GOTTA DIE. Kita: Err sorry? That's what my role says Ace: THERE IS NO CHANCE YOU AREN'T LYING Kita: Oh, uh so what is your role so we can confirm your innocence? Ace: THAT'S A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY. REVEALING THAT WOULD KILL TOWN. 200 posts later...... Kita: Hmm its not looking good for you Ace, you have 8 votes against you Ace: Oh, I'll role claim now. I'm vig. All cool bro? | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:37 Ace wrote: What? That's not how it went down. Kitaman: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched. Ace: So you pretty much are accusing me of being Scum. Why would I immediately role claim when I've said over 1,000 times I never role claim when I don't have to? You think it's strange that after a bunch of lurkers show up to vote me off that I do try to put some information out there to save myself? You think it's also weird that you want me lynched and I argue that you can't be telling the truth? Seriously? lol I think its strange for those who jumped to defend you, before you even claimed vig. Young in particular. How am I supposed to respond to a claim that I can't be telling the truth, when I indeed know that I am telling the truth? Lets get something out of the way, can we confirm I'm blue now that I've verified both Amber and your night actions? | ||
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On November 08 2010 21:28 Ace wrote: I don't know, the thing that sits with me is the fact that you were saying I had to be Mafia. It still makes me feel uneasy about you. So I receive information that you make a hit and there were four hits during the night. Three of them are mafia related and one is unknown. Lets assume there are two vig roles that could kill a scum. That gives us a 17/19~90% chance you were involved in the mafia hit (actual number doesn't matter, just the fact that the odds were much higher being scum than town). I could have asked nicely for you to reveal your role, but I doubt that would have worked out, so you were put into a situation where you were forced to make a claim to protect yourself. So here are the possible outcomes of your claim: 1) You are a vig variation who killed deconduo 2) You are a scum who fake claimed vig If the first situation holds true, I can't think of a situation where a mafia would secretly hit one of their own, so you are likely town. In the second situation there are two possibilities: 1) Another town member targeted deconduo 2) deconduo used his busing ability on a role that triggered his death With the first possibility the town member who actually made the hit could claim, so until we here otherwise, I will assume that's not the case. The second part is more difficult to prove. I would think that the town member who made the kill would receive some type of notification that they were targeted, however. Is this a safe assumption? As L pointed out, your connection with M-Rus has still not been explained. I'm willing to call a truce, unless the town is able to discredit your claim or someone points out a flaw in my logic. The situation still provided us some useful information, as there were two main groups to be suspicious of: Those who immediately opposed my claim without a strong reason to believe otherwise. Specifically: KtheZ, Pandain, youngminii And the lurkers who immediately jumped on Ace: Specifically: Nemesis, Glasse, Kenpachi | ||
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It has been far too quiet considering it's a half an hour before the lynch and the targets are still up in the air. | ||
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On November 09 2010 07:55 Ace wrote: ## unvote Kenpachi vote Pandain Was this a vote because Pandain is your number one scum target or a vote for self preservation? | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:34 Amber[LighT] wrote: im the most confirmed pro-town player in the game. nice try. Sorry, but remind me, how is that? | ||
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Ah, yes, you are targeted to die. My bad. | ||
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I think its Hyperbola 9 kthez 7 Pandain 6 Just a reminder, the secret mafia vote HAS NOT been cast yet. At this point, they may have the ability to ninja the vote. | ||
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On November 09 2010 08:55 Glasse wrote: didnt the guy with secret mafia vote get killed? No? | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:02 Glasse wrote: damnit he just counted the votes and said you will be modkilled :3 i hope you're mafia at least He is not. | ||
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Looks like he lucked out. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:07 Infundibulum wrote: I barely scraped by on this one. I have a bad habit of thinking I'll always be back in time to vote (i also thought it was 9 est for the deadline and not 9 KST), so yeah i barely scraped by Traffic is a deadly mafia weapon. | ||
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On November 09 2010 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: KtheZ the Detective has been piranha'd. To clarify, would we be informed if he was insane, like with the extra note for the ADD-Doctor? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:01 LunarDestiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/precious.jpg) Precious was my kill, Ace. Don't ever take precious away from me. Please tell me you are just trolling us :/ | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:25 Pandain wrote: 1.whats your win condition 2.Why are you sharing with town. 3.Are you third party, or something else. On November 10 2010 08:14 LunarDestiny wrote: ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LunarDestiny: Messed Up at my last pm. Read the mod pm if you haven't read it yet. We need three people (Veldril, deconduo and CubEdIn) dead to win. Veldril - easy, since they are hinting that tomorrow it is a double lynch. Getting an inactive won't be too hard. Deconduo - Low posting and relatively inactive. This is second in terms of difficulty. CubEdIn - This is much harder. He claimed as medic and succeed in some ways. | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:28 LunarDestiny wrote: Sharing is with town because we both can't stand Ace (and the mafia) bullying you. He just using his mafia knowledge and he got himself out of the situation. So why not claim before the lynch to reduce mafia kp? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:30 Glasse wrote: i think i tried very hard to make people fucking vote for ace you have all failed to hear my hidden message You were spouting nonsense the entire game. Why not come out and actually disprove him? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:34 LunarDestiny wrote: Because we are easy picking by the mafia. And we still had to get Veldril killed without dying. Now it makes no difference. So you use your kp on Ace rather than Veldrill? I'm missing something. | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:36 LunarDestiny wrote: Summarize of our actions: Day3:group formed, Night3:we hit on deconduo Night4:we hit on Ace And why not Veldrill? Wouldn't that mean you win? | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:40 LunarDestiny wrote: What proof? At that point, we don't want to reveal everything. You could have claimed vig without revealing your win condition or partnership. Easy peasy. | ||
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Watch out for Artanis[Xp]'s pro-mafia role names :p | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:05 youngminii wrote: I HAVE AN EXAM TO GET TO POST NOW OR I FAIL I wouldn't tempt LSB like that.... :p | ||
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On November 06 2010 06:55 LSB wrote: SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE HAS BEEN USED ON COAGULATION On November 06 2010 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote Coag ##Vote Pandain -.- I contend flawed time zone conversions lost us the game :p Gratz Mafia. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:43 Qatol wrote: What I want to know is how the heck NB went under the radar. He made such an obviously scummy post on day 1, got called out for it, and then he's suddenly forgotten? He targeted himself with his own kp I believe and then somehow got saved. Unless I'm misremembering something. | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:52 L wrote: I was under the impression that my ability only turned Plague docs. Honestly, we shoulda Mrused me early and then dual spread for the majority of the game. You were my watcher target the night after Ace, but that didn't end well. Doh >.< | ||
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On November 12 2010 11:03 LunarDestiny wrote: instead of arguing about the balance in the game. Why don't you argue against the difference between a tracker and a watcher? Heh he didn't have to believe what he was saying, just to convince others. Pandain, L (mafias) KtheZ, and youngminii bit, but there were still enough votes against Ace to force him into a deadly role claim. My role never pointed out who Ace targeted or his alignment so I knew the hit on deconduo was the only out, but I didn't anticipate a third party that could have been responsible. | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:08 kingjames01 wrote: No, I don't need to 'calm the fuck down'. Yeah, okay, it's designed to help the town. However, if somewhere along the way, you should apply a little bit of the critical thinking that you, no doubt, have been developing throughout your life. Whenever any move that you don't understand is made, you should stop and think, "hmm... why did that guy do that?" PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO YOUR GAME. Instead, most of the town started demanding answers. "Hey, I know that I could figure this out for myself, but I really like Hollywood movies where they tell you everything. If I wanted to think, I'd go do schoolwork. So, um... yeah, tell me everything." Do you know who this benefits? MAFIA. THEN, when he goes and explains himself, some idiots realize that they've been lied to. OMG. It's the end of the world. Let's panic, run around in circles, fall on the ground, beat your chest, tear your clothes, light your torches and grab your pitchforks. How about, YOU 'calm the fuck down' and show some restraint. Use some common sense. Yeah, he lied. Okay, DEAL WITH IT. Lynch All Liars is a good general rule if you think that the lie was designed to hurt the town. This was a lie designed to protect the bodyguard and DrH. Edited: to take out harsh words. Aww someone needs a hug <3 | ||
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Oh no you didn't! He's my man. | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:16 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh nuh-UH bitch. I'll take you any day, kingjames is mine. Fine you can have him. My heart now belongs to the man in blue. | ||
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On November 15 2010 13:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He couldn't win the game anymore after Lunardestiny died since that was part of his win condition. Also, thanks and please post your own thoughts of the game =] Hehe first game as town so I guess this is my painful learning period. So was letting Ace live the completely wrong decision to make? He was overly aggressive in his defense, but so would I if I had been falsely accused. In his position, I wouldn't have role claimed until I had to either regardless of being town or mafia. Once he role claimed vig I believed that if another vig was responsible they would come forward. I didn't really know there might be a third party, is that something common? Would the correct decision have been to lynch him regardless, assuming the existence of some other group and risking the possibility he is town? As for the KtheZ lynching, he was just as proven a detective as Pandain. Both immediately opposed my watcher claim so I guess it came down to a coin flip that landed the wrong way. Although I did attempt to ninja the secret mafia vote to lynch Pandain early, he flew under my radar later on, mainly because I couldn't see a situation where he would get voted Godfather as mafia and then allow himself to become so exposed, risking several lynches. I guess a lot of his scummy actions seemed less suspicious to me, due to the fact that in the only other game I've played in, Haunted Mafia, as town he fervently attacked other town members to the death, making ridiculous claims in the process. Guess it is kinda ironic that this is my second post in the thread. Probably should have followed my own advice: On October 30 2010 04:27 kitaman27 wrote: I've lost count of the number of people that have said that about Pandain. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate a player, especially a top candidate for Mayor. | ||
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On November 15 2010 13:30 infinitestory wrote: blagh Ace infecting infun -> i checked infun and got murrayitis -> veldril fails to protect me, instead getting killed with me while curing murrayitis -> we lose a medic and i don't get to see that L is mafia -> town loses HUGE CHAIN REACTION@@ Ouch, that makes two of us that checked L the night we died >.< | ||
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On March 19 2011 00:31 LSB wrote: I fail at posting in the right thread Excellent, our plan to hype the game by "accidentally" posting in it has been a success! | ||
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