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I want to be a replacement, please :3 | ||
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I am convinced, though, that we need to elect an experienced player. | ||
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He agreed, and so do I. The only possible pro of mass roleclaim is that the reds would have to make up roles, and we might be able to discern them from that, but I don't put any faith in that. I don't want to give the reds a hit list on a silver platter under any circumstances (and please no WIFOM) | ||
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On October 29 2010 13:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: interesting claim fishball is this like the masons who are a group that can talk through pms and nothing else or do you have an additional power that comes with this? He appears to be claiming that he specifically has a power that is very important to the circle, but unlike the masons they don't know each other's role or alignment. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: the person who is in charge of a town circle, whether mafia have infiltrated it or not, should be protected but highly scrutinized i see no real danger to electing him. he can be lynched if his behavior becomes overly suspicious. Definitely agree. Fishball's promise that he will give a full roleclaim if and when he is elected makes me feel safer about this. If his roleclaim ends up being bull, we'll probably find out quickly. However, I think we need to make sure that "highly scrutinized" clause DrH talks about here is well kept. Mayor may be an elected position of power, but that is by no means synonymous with town, especially with regards to someone campaigning for the position. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote: I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's. You could believe fishball for any number of reasons. What I want to know is why you're so distrustful of bum. | ||
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On October 29 2010 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: omg guys what if fishball bumatlarge are both scum and bumatlarge backed out so that when fishball flips scum he'll look town can you explain why under these circumstances bum would look town | ||
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote: so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent" Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever. for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. | ||
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On October 30 2010 09:51 Infundibulum wrote: read my last sentence role != alignment not even "standard roles" are 100%, due to the possibility of things like mafia medics or mafia detectives. I've asked Artanis about this, and rolechecks return role name and alignment only. Does not include the details of the role pm, but critically does include alignment. If possible, I hope he can confirm this in thread. | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote: I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me! wait, WHAT? | ||
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On October 30 2010 12:20 Glasse wrote: You heard it, even god would not be able to kill me! I remain confused | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:12 kingjames01 wrote: Everyone, consider this scenario. The mafia share the names and abilities of their individual roles with the group. DrH claims the name and abilities of one of his mafia teammates, ie. "Sticky". He gets elected mayor during the day and then at night, he gets elected Godfather. As Godfather, he chooses to appear as "Sticky" to any detective checks. At night, the real "Sticky" does whatever "Stickies" are supposed to do. When day breaks, DrH claims responsibility so we start to believe him more. We go along with his scheming and then we lose. I'm pretty sure that situation is moot, because it assumes sticky is a scumbuddy. In that case, sticky's role is a red role, and DrH claiming responsibility for sticky's actions would just draw a lynch. I hope I understood you right. The only way this would work is if he knew someone was sticky, could ensure that person's protection indefinitely, AND knew exactly what the sticky role entails. >_> | ||
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Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid  if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That is an interesting scenario. All I can say is if I tell the town someone has murrayitis, and the plague doctors visit them, that'll be cured and it'll show in the numbers. Now that you said that mafia can just start infecting the people I confirm to, to make it look like I'm doing the infecting I think you misread my post. What I said is that if you're the one infected, and you can find reds that are infected, you would still be able to show the murrayitis numbers decrease while piling up the disease on townies. It's a hypothetical scenario though, no need to be defensive about it. I'm not nearly convinced it's true yet. What I want is collaboration to find a satisfactory (non-WIFOM) method to confirm DrH in this case. I hope to ACTUALLY have FULL 100% faith in the person I give my mayoral vote to. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I was told I was given new life after the death of bill murray and as a result am immune to the disease of murrayitis. That is why a plague doctor must check my first confirmed target. If they are "cured" of murrayitis then I will never use my night action and hopefully no one will ever be infected. Pretty sure this'll go to WIFOM fast. :| | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: again why would mafia have a sticky, a role clearly designed to stop the spread of m-rus, a disease that benefits mafia Even assuming what you've told us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, there's an advantage in rallying the plague doctors to cure infected reds. I want to see something more well thought out, please~ @Meapak_Ziphh: I'm not considering whether "sticky" represents a m-itis infector or a m-itis stopper. I'm just presenting a possible scenario which, if nobody finds a way around it, compromises DrH's claim of 100% guaranteed proof of townieness. It doesn't bank on meta at all. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:27 Fishball wrote: If I were a medic, I would protect this man. If I were a medic, I would get myself checked out for possible mental diseases, from ADD to total and utter psychoneurosis, with all this INSANE talk going around. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:38 orgolove wrote: Fine. I'll stop bringing in your confirmed flaws into this equation. But lets say EVERYTHING you said is 100% true. Basically, your ability is thus: "Check ONE person a night to see if he has Murrayitis." Murrayitis isn't a disease that kills immediately - rather than acting on a timer, it requires the mafia to go through and infect more than half the town. If the mafia managed to infect over 20 townies, then the game's probably already over. Is the ability to check what is essentially second priority on ONE person a day so important that we should nominate him as the mayor? This is a good point. I'd much rather put bum as mayor, because circle leader/manager is more worthy of nightkill invincibility. Drop all the personal attacks. They're distracting us from the issues at hand. | ||
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On October 30 2010 14:42 kingjames01 wrote: First, you need to STOP with the personal attacks. How does your personal crusade help anyone in this game? Focus on what is relevant. We're going to need logic to get through an insane game. Anyway, a couple of comments about this following post: hehe, "point". Was that an intended pun? =) I'm being sincere in my attempts to further this discussion. I agree that you seem town, especially since you voluntarily gave information about your role even before you realized the significance of the title. I am not trying to discredit you. You're under fire only because you were the the most recent candidate to sum up your position. Then I asked for more specifics and now we're discussing that your role may be tainted. I just want the town to perform their due diligence before we elect our Mayor. Full agreeal  The fact that nobody provided a non-WIFOM solution to the scenario I proposed, coupled with the relative worthlessness of DrH's ability (in terms of needing bodyguards), has made me change my vote back to myself. | ||
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nice catch, i lol'd too | ||
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On October 30 2010 15:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: Holy shit, guys, I go out for a night of Halloween weekend fun, and come back to all this?? @orgolove: You're being an ass. You were kind of an ass in Haunted once your spreadsheet failed, and you're being more of an ass now. Yes, Dr.H made some modding mistakes. But Haunted was a HUGE game, and on top of that, it was a bumblefuck of situations with a shit ton of mod kills. You need to stop bringing it up because it's in the past and shit happens. @Dr.H: Yes, a lot of arguments have been made at you, and a lot of WIFOM has been brought up. However, I view a lot of it as people playing Devil's Advocate, as I was earlier. Asking all these questions and presenting different scenarios will get the town further into discussion. The fact that so much argument has been put upon you is because people fear you, which is both good and bad. The Mafia are probably terrified that you are gaining influence, and the town is afraid to trust you. That being said, I feel that your role claim gives you a lot of trust, and your posts and strategy has been extremely pro-town. @town: I encourage you all to keep thinking and presenting different scenarios and challenging theories. Leave the personal attacks at home, and post constructively. We still have ~15 hours to decide our Mayor. With that, I'm gonna go to bed, don't have TOO many pages for me to read in the morning ^_^ Even though I did present a theory with which DrH could be a red and fake his role, I considered his play fairly town-oriented. But his subsequent defensiveness and posts like On October 30 2010 14:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: watch the mafia keep grasping at straws to try to make me look bad and red when I've done more to show i'm town than anyone in this game and then they want to vote for pandain lololol reduced my trust in DrH significantly. On top of that, his mayoral campaign is based on having an important role which he can 100% confirm as blue. Assuming his roleclaim is totally correct and leaves nothing out, it's probably not worth giving bodyguards to, since preventing Murrayitis is secondary to things such as scumhunting and DT work. Additionally, the scenario I put up seems to have given rise to a lot of discussion about possible ways mafia could thwart DrH's plan. So I can't put full confidence in DrH at the moment, as a townie or as a mayor. | ||
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On October 30 2010 16:51 Veldril wrote: OMG, when I went to bed there was only around 20 pages, and when I woke up it's already 42 *-*. From the posts three candidates made, I like Dr.H the most since he comes up with a most detailed why he should be elected. And by electing him as mayor, he needs to constantly prove his role to others, which if he fails, we can just lynch him. Unless other candidates come up with a better campaign post, my vote goes to Dr.H. But I still hope to read a better campaign post from Pandain and Bumatlarge too. Make sure you read through at least the last 5 pages before deciding on DrH, because a lot of arguments detailing why DrH's plan and campaign are less viable than originally presumed have been made in the last couple pages. I'm not saying don't vote for DrH. I'm saying make sure you have the same facts as the rest of the town before electing a mayor. | ||
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On October 31 2010 05:50 Glasse wrote: I made a list with what i think people are. + Show Spoiler + 1. DoctorHelvetica 2. Hyperbola 3. Bumatlarge 4. Veldril 5. Pandain 6. Aeres 7. deconduo 8. Coagulation 9. annul 10. infundibulum 11. Amber[LighT] 12. Kenpachi 13. lol1221 14. Nemesis 15. ghrur 16. KtheZ 17. QuickStriker 18. CubEdIn 19. Meapak_Ziphh 20. SiNiquity 21. DCLXVI 22. Divinek 23. Lexpar 24. ShmotZ 25. Orgolove 26. Node 27. youngminii 28. jcarlsoniv 29. BrownBear 30. Infinitestory 31. Masq 32. NB 33. Glasse 34 Misder 35. kingjames01 36. Ace 37. Fishball 38. kitaman27 39. LunarDestiny there are only 9 reds, man your list could use a little tweaking | ||
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Kenpachi SiNiquity youngminii in no particular order reason: stealthily voting without posting any comprehensive thoughts or reasoning. TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them. | ||
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In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either: 1) posting but without real content 2) posting hardly at all which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart. also, 1) posting but without real content this is a hint | ||
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On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) | ||
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On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote: You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder" | ||
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On October 31 2010 06:47 Aeres wrote: Perhaps, but if that was the case, it'd make more sense to separate the "Elder" part from the list of voters. As it is, it looks like Kenpachi is being identified as the Elder, and I don't think Artanis would want any confusion in the voting thread. If I were Artanis and I had assigned an Elder role like the one you envisioned, Infinitestory, I would simply add in italics/bold next to the candidate / lynchee name "An Elder has voted for this person." It'd clear up any ambiguity that might be present. That makes sense, then. But if elder provides anonymity, can't we deduce the identity from looking at who hasn't voted for anyone but isn't on the "not yet voted" list? | ||
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On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes. That's pretty meta. And wasn't there a certain Dr who said we should stop using meta in arguments? | ||
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On October 31 2010 06:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm ok with using meta when it's about the game itself and not something as far fetched as interpretations of the games storyline. OK, that's fine then. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote: I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list  DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though. | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts. That's because he only has one, same as youngminii. On October 30 2010 11:19 SiNiquity wrote: Mayor gets extra vote (meh) + protection (neat). And a kill on day 1 (eh). So strong blue role should be mayor right, and Dr. H. is the strongest I've seen posted. Pretty much all he says, aside from reiterating the obvious about the mayor, is "DrH is a good mayor candidate" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=33#652 | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:19 Ace wrote: @Aeres: I was talking about the post Dr.H quoted I swear orgolove and Dr.H remind me of Napoleon and Snowball from Animal Farm. dat reference is excellent | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:48 Infundibulum wrote: I still think Dr H should choose to lynch Pandain, Fishball, or bumatlarge. I feel that we're more likely to hit a mafia from the group of candidates than the group of inactives. I think that's very high-risk, high-reward. The front runner candidates, if not scum, might be blues with very valuable roles (except DrH, who seems to be winning because his claim gave up a lot of information). It makes sense that those of us who consider their roles very powerful would run for mayor as well. | ||
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things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck. | ||
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i find it hilariously ironic that DrH, whose role (if he what he claims is the 100% truth) is dependent highly on the plague doctors, was just arguing in personal attacks with and almost lynched a plague doctor | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When Orgolove died this is how I felt immediately. Fishball is more than likely a town player. Mafia bandwagoners are likely the ones that switched their votes from Fishball to me, knowing that his role was very powerful as mayor and that other townies were already attacking me doing their work for them. But part of me feels very uncomfortable about it. I'm not going to drop out of the election. I do think my voters should seriously reconsider voting for Fishball. On October 30 2010 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: sorry i can't make up my mind artanis ##Unelect Fishball ##Elect DoctorHelvetica explain? | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:46 NB wrote: check this out.... it seems like 1 mafia has been spotted :D I think it's more like someone has the role of negating a vote | ||
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On October 31 2010 07:59 infinitestory wrote: WHAT THE- things I note: #1 the circle DEFINITELY exists #2 Artanis is very much capable of lying in the role PM #3 fuck. any thoughts? Read artanis' orgolove-modkill post carefully: he notes that even thought the role PM states a 10% chance of killing the target, he reveals that it's actually a 0% chance. | ||
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On October 31 2010 08:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: this puts us all under equal suspicion of insanity though does it not? yeah :/ I guess this is really INSANE | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:27 NB wrote: Masq, please explain your action.... and how you guys could be so active at this game while day9 is casting? :< I don't play SC2. :| | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:36 Kenpachi wrote: cant really say. im not one to decide on inactivity.. right now, i only read posts with my name in it and so far im a suspect again.. Would it be possible to provide evidential clues >_> The evidence is the lack of evidence (i.e. the fact that you voted before posting, and didn't post until minutes ago). That's what I've gleaned, anyway. | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm a Nurse not a doctor anyway I don't care what people call me ;o I submitted: 1.SiNiquity 2.youngminii 3.Divinek Why divinek? | ||
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On October 31 2010 09:43 Aeres wrote: Exactly what I was thinking, jcarlsoniv. I mean, my role isn't exactly the sort of "OMG IMBA DEATH RAY" the Doc and Fishball have... in fact, it's really a glorified standard blue role, but I already have a few ideas on how to use it. Innovation, SinNiquity. You gotta make your role work for you. DrH doesn't have an imba death ray. His role, as claimed, is effectively a heavily nerfed plague doctor. On October 31 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also I'd like the town to consider the possibililty that there is no scum mayor candidate (at least a main one) and mafia are going to use that to push suspicion onto each town mayor, knowing they have what is probably a powerful role. This statement sounds to me like you could be trying to draw attention away from the possibility that there is/are mafia amongst the mayor candidates. The possibility of there being a mafia mayor candidate is the primary reason we brought up the very excellent plan of investigating the mayor candidates first. If you ask me, all four major candidates (bum, fish, you, panda) have said nothing to swing me one way or the other on townieness decisively. | ||
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You are the Mafia Do-gooder! You never really wanted to be part of the mafia, but your dad just happened to be Al Capone so you were forced into it. Every day, you get an additional vote every day, but have to use it to vote on one of the mafia. If you are the only mafia left, you are relieved of this. OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE WE HERE | ||
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Read it closely. Who received an Additional Mafia Vote today? Does the Mafia Do-Gooder role's additional vote apply on Day 1 for the mayor election as well? | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:20 Aeres wrote: I think everyone has a unique role. They may be similar, but I don't think any two are identical. That being said, I am confused as a gay seahorse right now. LOL On October 31 2010 10:16 LSB wrote: Yes but the point is moot because the Do-Gooder got modkilled for not voting/using his ability aww, ok the possibility of catching another mafia off of this is gone However, to all DTs: If you find another Do-Gooder, claim it IMMEDIATELY. That would give us another mafia catch. Of course, that other Additional Mafia Vote might not have even come from a Do-Gooder, so I'm not making any conclusions about DrH's townieness anymore until we get something concrete. This also tells us something additional. The other red with a role of additional voting either has the ability to abstain OR was neutralized by another role, more likely the latter. Will the bodyguard be PM'd and informed that he is the bodyguard? Is that going to be added to his role, or will bodyguarding replace his original role? | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So SiNiquity martyred himself I guess. I wish we would have hit a mafia with the lynch but at least 1 got modkilled, a good thing for us. YoungMinii was my first choice and he survived the lynch. This is very important to note. That's weird, I could have sworn... On October 31 2010 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm a Nurse not a doctor anyway I don't care what people call me ;o I submitted: 1.SiNiquity 2.youngminii 3.Divinek ? | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:54 Pandain wrote: Alright, here's my thoughts for the night thus far. Bum should visit Dr. H, Dr. H can therefore confirm if he's town. I doubt mafia would have a mason, as the only real benefit of that is you can fake a townie(aka, mafia can already pm). DT's should check me and Fishball, as we are both unconfirmed. Doctor H, if I understand you correctly, you are able to confirm yourself to another player. Once you do so, they should say so in thread the next day. How does this work? | ||
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On October 31 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So SiNiquity martyred himself I guess. I wish we would have hit a mafia with the lynch but at least 1 got modkilled, a good thing for us. YoungMinii was my first choice and he survived the lynch. This is very important to note. That's weird, I could have sworn... On October 31 2010 09:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm a Nurse not a doctor anyway I don't care what people call me ;o I submitted: 1.SiNiquity 2.youngminii 3.Divinek ? reposted from last page DrH, if you're still here, I want an explanation for this. | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:11 Pandain wrote: Sorry didn't come out right. I mean doctor H can then confirm HIMSELF to bum. With only one body guard, mafia can double hit him, no? And is he already immune? I thought he can only tell if another person has murrayitis. He claims to be immune, and the bodyguard will protect him from being killed at night until the bodyguard is killed. | ||
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On October 17 2010 02:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Modkills: Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. Special consideration will be exercised if a player in danger of being modkilled by this manner has been an active contributor in the thread. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Remember again: abstaining votes are NOT allowed. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a visit from an angry bear. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread every day and night cycle to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers. Just wondering, why was Masq not modkilled? | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I swapped the positions when SiNiquity decided to make a martyr of himself and claimed that he didnt care about the game because his role sucked ok | ||
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On October 17 2010 02:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Modkills: Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. Inactivity is most easily defined as failure to vote. If you do miss a vote, you will be modkilled. Special consideration will be exercised if a player in danger of being modkilled by this manner has been an active contributor in the thread. If something comes up and you know you will miss the vote, PM me in advance about it to let me know and you will be spared. Remember again: abstaining votes are NOT allowed. And once again, flaming is not tolerated. Keep it civil, or else you will receive a visit from an angry bear. Furthermore, you must post at least once in this thread every day and night cycle to avoid being modkilled. Simply voting doesn't work. This is to prevent lurkers. Just wondering, why was Masq not modkilled? EBWOP for formatting | ||
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On October 31 2010 11:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis. Does that mean the mayor can't be lynched while we have the bodyguard? | ||
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On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote: Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so? Not so. QuickStriker was modkilled, and he had a blue role that could prevent a lynch once. | ||
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Don't forget about the booger-flinger. It seems clear that someone has the ability to neutralize a vote. Whoever that is, if you did it because you know who the "additional mafia vote" is, please claim. | ||
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On November 01 2010 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why are you fishing so hard for him to claim? if there is a role that dodges lynches/hides at night I highly doubt it is a scum role. In fact it seem even more likely to me that he was acted upon by another more manipulative role. I find it highly unlikely that someone would have a multi-use role which changes the lynch target, because that would be pretty OP. If he was saved from lynch by someone else, then that someone else probably has an excellent reason to keep him alive and by extension probably knows youngminii's alignment >______________> | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:01 Pandain wrote: And I disagree about a role immune to lynches being a town role. To me, a role immune to night hits would be town, a role immune to lynches would be mafia. I think both are town-like. Consider the following: How do you kill a red who is immune to lynches? Note, by the way, that we just lost a vigilante on day 1. The only way youngminii could be a lynch immune red is if it's an every-other-day thing like Glasse brought up. But that's still fairly OP, since even if we find out youngminii conclusively, mafia still gets an extra free day of KP while we lynch youngminii. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:16 Aeres wrote: Yeah, I might have been a bit hasty, but I can at least control the times I am vulnerable and the times I am not. I would think that the time stalled for by roleclaiming would be equal to the time stalled by Mafia hitting you in vain. I don't know whether Artanis would give us such a blatant lie, i.e. about the number of bodyguards. If you are, as you claim, a bodyguard, then I think that makes DCXLVI highly suspicious. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: A scum role that avoids lynches permanently is broken since we'd have to rely on using a single vigi hit to win the game, presumably. And don't assume a bus driver couldn't switch lynchees in this game. This is Insane Mafia and we need to throw our previous conclusions about how roles should work out the window. At least to some degree. Although my top 2 when I told the town who I was going to lynch was SiN and THEN youngminii, I changed my mind after SiN's martyring post. Perhaps a busdriver switched SiN and young, trying to save SiN only to have the opposite effect? It seems plausible enough but I'm not sure there is any real way to know and having YM role claim is just going to paint a new big target for the mafia forcing our medics to spread even thinner. @InfiniteStory There are many roles that could be twisted to do this that are fairly standard/used in mafia games. Roles like the hider, commuter, bus driver, etc. If a lynch-swapping bus driver exists, I'm convinced that would be town, since otherwise we would be almost unable to lynch a mafia (a red lynch-swapping bus driver would always switch the lynch to a townie unless our top two in votes are reds every single time). However, like I said earlier, that bus driver would have to be certain youngminii is valuable and by extension probably know his alignment. That would indicate either they're both mason-like roles (unlikely, since the bus driver is already a bus driver), or they're both reds. But I've already noted that a red lynch-swapping bus driver would be ridiculously OP. Contradiction. Therefore, I'm convinced youngminii's role saved him, making him a likely blue. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote: As has been stated before (and most likely again later), this is INSANE Mafia. We have no idea what Artanis and LSB are capable of throwing at us. I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia. Either that, or you're actually the only bodyguard, and DC was just trying to shaft us >_______> Just because it's INSANE mafia still doesn't mean Artanis is allowed to lie to us on such an important topic, IMO. Then we would literally be fighting the mafia and the gods. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Veldril wrote: From what I see of the first day lynch; I think for this game, the top three votes will be taken into account. It is very likely that there is a role that would prevent the "top" voted player to avoid the lynch, be it one time or can use all the game long. Young's case could be either ways; he has a role that immune to lynch (more likely one time, since permanent immunity is slightly too OP), or he has someone protected him with or without him knowing. We need to get more information before we can conclude which is the case. Right now, I think it is agreeable that medic should protect veterans first. However; from what I see from Sinquity's role, I think most medics would also be able to cure Murrayitis, which could be a decisive factor in this game. But since we don't have any infected player yet, the curing of Murrayitis is moot for the time being, but it should be discussed more on the next night. I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not. I just ran a simulation on it. Assuming Plague Doctors RNG unless they are directed to cure someone by DrH, Murrayitis will kill on day 6 or 7 on average. I also considered what would happen if Plague Doctors RNG only (and ignore DrH), and it seems that it's stunningly close to the first scenario (still kills around day 6 or 7 on average). | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:51 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hah, I noticed that when I saw it yesterday. That sneaky devil. i see what you did there | ||
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On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote: dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor. also the other people who wanted elected mayor bumatlarge fishball annul ghrur glasse node also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle. We definitely should watch DrH too. The mayor should be kept under close scrutiny, as I believe he himself said. I might also add DCLXVI and Aeres, since they both claimed bodyguard while Artanis told us there was only one. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:29 CubEdIn wrote: Did everyone miss this post? What the hell does "claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well." mean? By PM? Apparently you missed it, but fishball is a member of a PM circle with 3 members | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: He didn't claim, did he? Just said a seemingly scummy comment that leads us no where... *not roleclaim ugh, but he made a comment very revealing about his role IMO | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: ...and what does it reveal about his role? Excuse me if I didn't get it as quickly as you, but did I miss something? Someone else suggested this already, but it's almost certainly a role that reveals itself to the mayor | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: L in this game? with Ace? oh lawd do you want to fill me in on why this is an "oh lawd" i'm curious | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:56 Glasse wrote: If masq gets replaced by L we have a confirmed detective. On November 01 2010 07:56 Node wrote: I'm posting this now to prove I'm not full of shit if I survive the night and get an opportunity to explain myself come daytime: BrownBear will die tonight. i can't wait to see what's going on here. not saying these posts are related, but god are we getting a lot of this | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:08 Ace wrote: Ironically enough in these games L is the best town killer. Whether he's Scum or Town aligned lots of innocents die. here we go | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. Hey there DrH, how's it going? | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:16 Glasse wrote: Wait what does hos mean, am i in danger? DONT BE MEAN I DIDNT DO ANYTHING Stands for Hand of Suspicion. It's a very intense version of the Finger of Suspicion | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: During the night, hardly anyone can sleep. It wasn't just all the trick or treaters, everyone was busy doing something. One poor dude? He arrived at the wrong person’s home (some idiot kidnapped the people) and proceeded to become gagged and tied up. As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy At least some people stayed quiet. One person left the town to do some illegal activity legally, another person put on his favorite lingerie and admired himself all night. Annul decided to stalk his favorite person. However, after he put on his black clothes, black mask, and black gloves. Someone helped him by wrapping a black scarf around his neck. Killing him. Afterwards a completely different person arrived, played on the tire swing for a while, and left. BrownBear was minding his own business, he didn’t do anything wrong! He had all the tools he needed to mess up the elections, but as they say. It never pays to be good. BrownBear died for being good. Kids, honesty never pays off. Kingjames found something underneath his home. It was a giant pumpkin. Luckily for him the giant pumpkin wasn’t dangerous. However, the Giant Potato that was right beside it blew up and killed him More people started coughing. Three people are infected Brownbear the Swaparoo is dead kingjames01 the Self-Conscious lazy Vigilante annul the Bullet Bill is dead You are the Bodyguard! This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. Masq is being replaced by L, Everyone say "Hi L!" There are a LOT of clues in this night post imo. Read the paragraphs I bolded. Hi L! | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: During the night, hardly anyone can sleep. It wasn't just all the trick or treaters, everyone was busy doing something. One poor dude? He found that his door got duct taped over so he couldn't get out. Luckly for him, he wouldn't have arrived at the right's person's home (some idiot kidnapped the people). As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy At least some people stayed quiet. One person left the town to do some illegal activity legally, another person put on his favorite lingerie and admired himself all night. Annul decided to stalk his favorite person. However, after he put on his black clothes, black mask, and black gloves. Someone helped him by wrapping a black scarf around his neck. Killing him. Afterwards a completely different person arrived, played on the tire swing for a while, and left. BrownBear was minding his own business, he didn’t do anything wrong! He had all the tools he needed to mess up the elections, but as they say. It never pays to be good. BrownBear died for being good. Kids, honesty never pays off. Kingjames found something underneath his home. It was a giant pumpkin. Luckily for him the giant pumpkin wasn’t dangerous. However, the Giant Potato that was right beside it blew up and killed him More people started coughing. Three people are infected Brownbear the Swaparoo is dead kingjames01 the Self-Conscious lazy Vigilante annul the Bullet Bill is dead You are the Bodyguard! This is Radio LOONY! With DrH as mayor we are in a sticky situation. Be careful, he’s red. I wish I was mayor. I am the serious cat. Meow, Meow, :3 RISE AND SHINE YOU IDIOTS. Masq is being replaced by L, Everyone say "Hi L!" New edits by LSB. Quoted for posterity. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:23 Glasse wrote: You know something's wrong when that happen Glasse, how godly are you? Just curious. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:29 Pandain wrote: Just making sure we don't start analyzing clues and linking them to players. Clues=/= details about role/events. Well, right now we either definitely have more than 1 bodyguard(meaning the mods DO lie), or we caught two mafia, which doesn't make sense because one claimed because he did/did not trust the other. I'm still waiting to hear from DXCVII before making any more judgements, as his "claim" of bodyguard was sort of vauge, albeit revealing. Node when do you find out who's gonna die. Now? Read the post above yours. DCLXVI is dying tonight. Other things of note: #1. Somebody was roleblocked and visited by several people. #2. Annul was visited by someone in addition to being killed. #3. Annul seems to have been a bodyguard (or THE bodyguard?) #4. Glasse, or somebody who is watching Glasse closely, has a special power involving mod posts. #5. Three people are infected. This likely means the infector did a night action and was visited by two people, OR there are multiple infectors. #6. According to LSB or whoever hijacked LSB, DrH is red. I'm very, VERY worried. First Lexpar's claim, now this... #7. Somebody left the town on "illegal business legally". Captain Aeres? | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:49 Misder wrote: So three people died tonight, Remember that one post of Artanis where he said that mafia has 2+1 KP? That must mean that mafia had access to that extra 1 KP. Whether or not that can be accessed every day, we do not know (it might be that they can only have extra every other day or something like that), but maybe we can find out what role that gains that extra 1 KP. I think its the Giant Potato, but its hard to tell in the night post. I'm pretty sure both bolded parts are the describing Annul and his death. So someone switched places with him (kidnapped?). I think we have to be careful of the guy who switched places with him. If we get any references to similar activities between one person and Annul, we can almost gaurantee that that person is mafia. As a matter of fact, that exact part has been changed by LSB in a more recent edit. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: One poor dude? He arrived at the wrong person’s home (some idiot kidnapped the people) and proceeded to become gagged and tied up. As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy This is your original Day post On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote: One poor dude? He found that his door got duct taped over so he couldn't get out. Luckly for him, he wouldn't have arrived at the right's person's home (some idiot kidnapped the people). As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy This is your current Day post I beg to differ, LSB. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up. Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes. Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker. I'm not sure why you're trying to take so much out of what could have been a minor typo. It was you who told me earlier not to look at "unlikely situations" such as you actually being the Murrayitis source, but here you are trying to draw the conclusion that Cubedin is a roleblocker off of a couple words, despite the fact that he has not only given us the name of his role but the intricacies of it. Cubed revealed at least as much about his role as you did about yours, so he should get the same level of town cred, right? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? Everything points to DC being town, except: 1) he softclaimed bodyguard (by correcting Artanis on the definition, no less), when there was no good reason to do so. He then pretty much said it was intentional by saying "Artanis just confirmed my role." There's no good reason to do this as a townie. 2) He softclaimed bodyguard, and a (the only?) bodyguard just died. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:22 Lexpar wrote: I don't think doch is red. I think I would be dead now if he was. Don't get into WIFOM. I'm pretty sure your original statement became useless as soon as you stated it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:29 Misder wrote: This is not unlikely. Mafia knew that DH was going to try to confirm himself tonight by night action. So if there is a roleblocker in the game, mafia would probably make the easy decision to block him. On the other hand, DH is still not confirmed... DrH, how in hell did you NOT think of this scenario when you promised us a foolproof way to prove your role? | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's not just a roleblocker that could have done this btw. Could be a bus driver, a commuter, a lightning rod type role, it could be any number of things. If it's a bus driver that means that I poked somebody else, whoever jcarls was switched with. If the person who had his door duct taped is you, then: You were likely roleblocked. At least 3 people visited you. (the rag guy + the others) You did not visit anyone. Someone bussed jcarlsoniv and another target. (Hence, you wouldn't have visited the right person and some idiot kidnapped people) | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:45 Glasse wrote: Well you can remove my name off of that list since i'm not old enough to be an elder I feel like you're some insane role. But every insane person is right about something. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's actually pretty likely that the mafia roleblocked DocH because it sets up this position of distrust we find ourselves in. As a result we're going to be deadlocked until DocH is proved one way or another. Gonna spoiler the next part because it's pretty far fetched + Show Spoiler + Could DocH be the elder and not know it? So far he's the only person to have confirmed interaction with jcarl No. If DrH got roleblocked, we have another confirmed interactor: the guy who bussed jcarlsoniv. It's unlikely that he is also Elder though. | ||
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If he's town, this was bound to happen to delay identification of DrH's role. If he's red, this was bound to happen to delay identification of DrH's role. That's what I think. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:06 Ace wrote: Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. Note that the mafia didn't aim for either of the two people who roleclaimed bodyguard (DC, Aeres). How badly do the scum want to get rid of DrH? | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:17 Coagulation wrote: oh wow | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote: im not saying doch is red im not saying that mafia wouldnt have anything to gain by discrediting him if he is a townie im saying he had a campaign of bullshit. There were those that spoke up before the election about scenarios and situations that would cause DrH to be unable to confirm his alignment, but the overwhelming opinion of "DrH roleclaimed, which makes him seem town" drowned it out politicians leave things out of their campaigns all the time *sigh* | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% | ||
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I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia. I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory. I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch. That's fair. You've done some fine analysis and given a lot of information, but on the flip side your campaign was ... dubiously based and there are some circumstantial things that point to you as red. I'm neutral on your townieness at the moment. | ||
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On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote: im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T (a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3) On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote: so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3 On October 31 2010 10:23 NB wrote: ok, lets discuss our night action, who will most likely being killed by mafia? | ||
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On November 01 2010 10:54 DCLXVI wrote: I can't catch up on the thread quite yet, but as I am reading through it (60-65) people seem to think that I claimed bodyguard. Who first said that I did, and did he even read my posts? Someone (i need to reread it) said that I claimed, and then everyone just took it to be true. Please reread my posts before continuing with that line of discussion. Take a look at the lazy vigilante role, my addition to artanis's ruling was that the bodyguards do more than protect the mayor at night. therefore I have information about how the mayor can/can't be killed (especially at lynching time). Heavy FOS on the first people to say I claimed bodyguard - that was outright distorting my posts. Ill be back in a few hours at the most to respond to the next 15 pages... What you said is that you knew Artanis didn't give the full definition of bodyguarding. That's a softclaim, as it implies you know something else about being a bodyguard. In fact, your wording was that Artanis' initial post about bodyguarding was not what he TOLD you. You then went on to claim that Artanis confirmed your role with his post on bodyguarding. If that's not a soft roleclaim, I don't know what is. And if you didn't mean to softclaim bodyguard, you should have said so. | ||
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On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote: Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role: Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected. This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.I've been thinking about it, and I'm not so sure anymore that DrH's roleclaim is a sign of townieness. If he's mafia, then the only way to even use his role and get any effect out of it without raising suspicion is to claim his role this way. Roleclaim implying Townie relies on the assumption that a mafia with the role would not claim it. ugh paranoia | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:08 Glasse wrote: can i get a super duper post analysis on myself? i'm curious to know if im blue or red Well, judging from the srs color of your srs cat fur, you're white with brown stripes. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? I'm sorry, but are you using a chainsaw defense on the player you poked because you thought him most likely to be town? That doesn't add up. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:26 Ace wrote: @bumatlarge: I think it's better to just say that whatever happened last night, it should strengthen your convictions on whether or not Dr.H is scum or innocent. There isn't enough information to convincingly say if his statements about last night are true. Furthermore we've got 2 people in a situation right now that need to be dealt with. We can deal with Dr.H later. PEOPLE LOOK AT THE AERES AND DC SITUATION! Alright, let's deal with this. With the death of annul, I find it even MORE likely that at least one of Aeres and DC is NOT bodyguard. DC says he never claimed bodyguard, but Aeres did hard claim bodyguard and had that odd slip. Aeres is certainly suspicious, but not conclusive until we can check one of them. I will note that I don't think the mod lied about there being a single bodyguard, and that certainly puts Aeres on my suspect list. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:38 Misder wrote: [/b][/blue][/u]My analysis on Coagulation + Show Spoiler + Info that doesn’t pertain to the actual game. On October 29 2010 11:21 Coagulation wrote: Hi guys. im torn between voting for Bumatlarge or Pandain for mayor! No info on why he thinks both are equal. And I think this was when there was only two major candidates anyways. On October 29 2010 12:44 Coagulation wrote: bumatlarge. as a campaigning candidate for mayor what is your political stance on bandwagoning are you pro Bandwagon or Anti bandwagon plz explain Question that I don’t think actually matters for a mayor. It’s not like the mayor can start a bandwagon. And he doesn’t explain why this is crucial to his decision. And he doesn’t even ask Pandain the question, his other candidate that he’s considering to vote. On October 29 2010 18:52 Coagulation wrote: maybe im missing something but if fishball is in a town circle like he claims he is and this town circle has no security from reds at the moment why would we want him elected mayor. doesnt his town circle just greatly increase the chances of scum influence on the town. like we vote for Bum or pandain there is a 1 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor we vote for fishball there is a 7 in 39 chance of mafia influenced mayor This post may have some substance, as he now has a stance against fishball. However, as kingjames pointed out right after this post, his math is wrong (as in hes assuming that everything is random). On October 29 2010 20:42 Coagulation wrote: ok i understand what your saying but there is still a higher chance of mafia gaining influence through fishball being elected as mayor isnt his "circle" about as relevant as the general town circle at this point? considering he has no idea what the alignment of his circle members are. also we have no idea if he even has a circle. is there even a way we can verify this before the vote?? It just seems to me like an unnecessary security breach for mayor. why risk voting up to 7 scum into power when we can play the odds and take a much safer route of voting 1. Continuing the same thing as the post above. Again, he tries to make a point. Flawed, as jcarls points out the post after, but its something at least. On October 29 2010 23:52 Coagulation wrote: re-read my post. I referred to your circle ONLY as "circle" I am well aware that you dont have a town circle that was the whole basis of my post. Defends himself. And he is correct that Fishball was overreacting. On October 30 2010 00:07 Coagulation wrote: How about instead of blowing up about imaginary references to your CIRCLE in my post you answer the question that you completely avoided. why would we want to risk a chance of 7 people possibly being scum manipulating town with mayor when we can go with the much safer odds of only 1 person possibly being scum. Same question as before. jcarls answered this as stated before. On October 30 2010 00:12 Coagulation wrote: i know i shouldnt base previous exploits from previous games on a fresh game but i honestly feel you have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected after Halloween mafia.. Starts basing things off of a previous mafia game. This was before the mod warning, but still… On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote: We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation. pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done. i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red. Makes a stance on his choice of mayor. Yay. On October 30 2010 00:32 Coagulation wrote: I think it would be in towns best interest to avoid placing an extremely skilled manipulator such as annul in the mayor seat when he could potentially be a red. Consistent from what I’m assuming. I don’t know what happened in the previous mafia game, but I assume that annul did some crazy manipulation. Although annul is one of the newer players of mafia, he may be good at mafia in the eyes of Coagulation. On October 30 2010 00:34 Coagulation wrote: yeah i honestly feel like i dont trust ANYONE that wants to be mayor.. No reasoning behind this statement. Why not trust Pandain who you defended, or buma, who you also were considering? On October 30 2010 00:40 Coagulation wrote: doesn't the mayor choose day 1 lynch?? Question that was answered before. That’s ok once in a while. On October 30 2010 01:35 Coagulation wrote: wait whos jerkin off smurfs? An irrelevant post. On October 30 2010 01:55 Coagulation wrote: im not saying there are 6 mafia in your circle as opposed to any other number im just saying there are 6 ''chances'' that mafia are in your circle as opposed to there only being 1 chance of a mafia getting voted in as mayor if we elect someone outside your circle. there are alot of scenarios obviously that can play out but i just want everyone to understand that there is an added risk to you being mayor. as for whether your ability as mayor + your plan with your circle outweigh those risk's is up for debate. my problem is this. If we elect you as mayor.. you will have communications with people outside of this thread(pm) that will influence the game and could be extremely vital to scum hunting. I would rather have a mayor that has transparency.. any communications he makes will be public so we can keep an eye on him. More on the circle. Surprisingly, I think it’s good input, and consistent. On October 30 2010 02:44 Coagulation wrote: may, may not, in fact, almost certainly well you got the politician thing down perfectly. Unimportant post. On October 30 2010 06:15 Coagulation wrote: Doc you are all over the place with votes man I will think about voting for you because i think you are very experienced however I feel like if DocH Is a red we would never know. Inconsistency here. DH is the one of the better manipulators in mafia… This basically contradicts his post. Neither does he say why being experience outweighs being manipulative, esp. since he totally put down Fishball, an even more experienced player. On October 30 2010 07:08 Coagulation wrote: How do we know the person who is "verifying" your confirmation of your role isnt just a Scumbuddy of yours? Good question, assuming this is directed towards DH. On October 30 2010 07:10 Coagulation wrote: Maybe Godfather Will verify so no one can DT check him properly thats possible right? Again, good question. On October 30 2010 07:27 Coagulation wrote: DocH You basically said YOU WILL PROVE your town and then basically said "MAYBE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS I WILL PROVE IT IM NOT SURE" I dont think pandain would be the greatest mayor However i would rather pandain then Annul and his manipulation if he is RED and i would rather pandain then fishbowl and his "EXTREMELY SHY?? circle" I would really really like for you to make me feel comfortable voting for you for mayor. but your doing a bad job so far. Makes a good point on DH’s campaign. Completely didn’t compare Pandain with buma though (don’t know if this was before buma said hes going to retract his candidacy) On October 30 2010 07:29 Coagulation wrote: FISHBOWL =FISHBALL Sorry. Wheres This guys circle at?? wouldnt they claim by now?? Poses a question, and not a bad one. On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote: Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best. you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on. On October 30 2010 08:09 Coagulation wrote: actually to be honest i would rather we nominate ACE OR ANYONE that isnt TRYING to be mayor Kinda consistent to what hes saying before. Although I feel that Ace would be as manipulative as annul… On October 30 2010 09:42 Coagulation wrote: DocH Anyone that doesn't fucking vote for you must be scum? Are you fucking serious ? i voted for Pandain because it was a choice between Him And Fishball at the time (bum withdrew his candidacy before i voted or I would have voted him for my placeholder instead of pandain) I posted many reasons why i chose pandain over fishball MANY Logical reasons. i will repost them for you ****This was before you had decided to run for mayor Is that not a reasonable reason considering the two choices?? maybe not the greatest reason but I FEEL CONFIDENT we are not getting FUCKED BEHIND OUR BACKS. Is that not a reasonable reason?? YOU SAID THE SAME THING EARLIER. Now i am sticking with pandain because he is most likely not a red trying to gain control of town based on the fact that he is not campaigning relentlessly. Pandain is more then capable of using what tools he has at his disposal to help coordinate a good town strategy and i doubt he would run for mayor if he thought his role wasnt capable of contributing greatly as mayor.. and I FEEL HE is the most TRUSTWORTHY candidate so far BASED ON HIS ACTIONS IN THIS GAME. I Dont get the same feeling from you when your Threatening "FOS" On anyone that doesnt vote you.. IM NOT VOTING on WHOS PROMISING SOME BULLSHIT IF THEY GET MAYOR (town circle?? where??) IM VOTING ON WHO I TRUST THE MOST IN MY GUT IS THAT REASON ENOUGH? Gets a bit mad in this post. However, I don’t think this is a bad thing. He’s strong and on the offensive. On October 30 2010 10:43 Coagulation wrote: i think mayor can be dt checked. dont quote me tho Puts his input, but not sure about it. He could have just asked the question to the mod. But made an extra post saying basically nothing. On October 30 2010 11:28 Coagulation wrote: dr h and pandain it would be nice if you guys could talk about something relevent to the town and disregard this little pissing contest you guys have going on right now. Wants to clean up the thread. Kinda funny since he has made some irrelevant posts himself. On October 30 2010 11:40 Coagulation wrote: I dont know why anyone in their right fucking mind following this shit storm would want to join in. Irrelevant to the game. Post that isn’t needed. On October 30 2010 13:18 Coagulation wrote: why are you responding to it? just wondering.. obviously hes just fucking around. Inconsistent again. He himself responded to Glasse. On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote: the plot thickens. however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?) then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky. but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that. I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red. Good. Tells his stance on DH after DH told the town his role. A little inconsistent to what he said earlier though, about manipulation. On October 30 2010 14:30 Coagulation wrote: I think you are much better off not being mayor If a red slips into power as mayor and you are truly pro town as you say you are we are gonna need someone who can organize as a backup plan. I think you would be best suited as our ace up the sleeve in case mayor gets compromised. Sure, makes a good point. On October 30 2010 14:39 Coagulation wrote: Hosting a game has nothing to do with playing in this game. all bitching about something like that is gonna do is create drama that town doesnt need to deal with. Not useful post. On October 30 2010 14:43 Coagulation wrote: I told you why I voted for pandain. and frankly from last game you pretty much showed me you have no problem being mafia and cramming town talk down my fucking throat without thinking twice. so im still skeptical. He did say why he voted for Pandain, so, hes consistent here. On October 30 2010 14:58 Coagulation wrote: rofl Irrelevant. On October 31 2010 08:53 Coagulation wrote: LOL THE BOOGER THROWER Irrelevant. Irrelevant. On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote: Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so? Makes a point, and poses a question. Don’t think its bad. On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote: OK i have caught up on reading 1. DOCH naturally I still cant trust you 100% until I can see some of your claims of verifying yourself come to light. I really hope your not a red otherwise we may as well just bend over and let you get to fucking. 2. you have a moron for a bodyguard 3. Node is asking for invites to the circle? i would think twice before letting people who request in. looks like 1 red was already in the circle. he dies and now Node starts asking to get in?(could be mafia trying to get a man back inside) looks bad but not gonna dwell on it too much yet.. 4. pandain I dunno what the hell you are talking about. Im not gonna keep my mouth shut if someone looks scummy just because they are not around to defend themselves. Makes good points. Well, except for 2 as DXC technically didn’t say he was bodyguard. On November 01 2010 06:02 Coagulation wrote: concerning bodyguards 1. there are 2 bodyguards and mods lied to us (mods lie to us then thats bullshit) 2. there is 1 bodyguard and one of them lied. i dont think that would necessarily be scummy considering it can take heat off the real bodyguard and confuse mafia and keep the real bodyguard safe. lets not do anymore roleclaims guys. we are handing so much info to the reds its not good at all. if you got a role that needs to be revealed think on it for a day or two first. Good point, and I agree. On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote: dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor. also the other people who wanted elected mayor bumatlarge fishball annul ghrur glasse node also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle. Talks about how need to check mayor candidates. Not bad. On November 01 2010 06:57 Coagulation wrote: well regardless we need to get to the bottom of the youngminii thing somehow i think thats the point hes trying to make. i still feel like there is a good possibility that his ability is either a red ability or he was saved by a red allie. i dont want this to just blow under the radar Sure, a valid point. On November 01 2010 07:12 Coagulation wrote: just the fact that you posted this comment nullifies itself Technically not useful, but kinda makes a point. On November 01 2010 07:15 Coagulation wrote: why on earth did we not make you mayor. Not helpful. On November 01 2010 07:32 Coagulation wrote: ya hes in a circle that is allowed to pm he however isnt give the role/alignment of the people with him. Answers a question. Yay for being pissed off and not putting analysis. Although this is consistent to how he was acting before DH was elected. On November 01 2010 10:17 Coagulation wrote: Imo, makes a good point. On November 01 2010 10:20 Coagulation wrote: im not saying doch is red im not saying that mafia wouldnt have anything to gain by discrediting him if he is a townie im saying he had a campaign of bullshit. Sure, agreed. On November 01 2010 10:23 Coagulation wrote: he claims he had thought about being roleblocked. yet he still claims 100% proof the whole time hes campaigning ITS CONVENIENT he happens to leave that out of his campaign Same as above. On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote: DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. Same as above. Unhelpful. Conclusion: After going through his posts, he doesn’t really seem scummy to me anymore. Aside from multiple irrelevant, unhelpful, and sarcastic posts, he does bring up good points. I think there are times where he makes a statement, but doesn’t back it up, which he should do. Other than that, I feel that Coagulation is actually blue. I’m probably doing Pandain next, unless someone else wants to do it. + Show Spoiler + When I’m doing analysis like this, do I have to go through all of the posts, and put my thoughts on them? It’s really time consuming esp when its someone that posts a lot… Not all the posts. Try to go through the most controversial posts, the best posts, and the worst posts IMO Nice work on the Coagulation analysis. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:52 bumatlarge wrote: I must have missed it the first time. It explains alot, and it's a dangerous thing to claim. We should keep him safe. If there is a bomber, he will be reluctant to be used early on, and it will give us alot of info, plus id imagine the insane variant of a SB will be pretty.... insane. You should tell us who will die regardless, we might not even want to protect them as their death would confirm you and that person as 100% townies in my eyes. They could say some last words, and we wouldnt have to be suspicious of them. As a matter of fact, Node has already stated that DC is slated to die tonight. | ||
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And I can confirm that. On October 31 2010 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He will be informed of being a Bodyguard. This will not replace his original role. The mayor is not informed of who he is. | ||
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On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote: Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray? That was Kingjames01, many many pages ago On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote: DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. What about Radio LOONY? | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote: LAL ...... | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote: Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information. DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really don't even feel that mafia have any huge incentive to take the position of mayor TBH Except that your whole campaign platform was based around you being able to confirm your alignment and none of the other mayor candidates being able to do so. | ||
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Youngminii, I think you're reading selectively. Even if Pandain himself isn't right, his arguments have foundations, including in a very revealing post by Coagulation a couple pages ago, namely one which highlights the lies in DrH's campaign. In that sense, your usage of LAL is suspiciously focused as well. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:31 youngminii wrote: His 'lies' are more like promises that turned out to be untrue due to unforeseen circumstances. Do you not see what's happening? Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases) Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered) Just stop it. I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: Question: In a traditional game with role-blockers, can they role-block the same player twice in a row? Or are there restrictions on that? http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roleblocker doesn't say anything about restrictions on the usage | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:45 youngminii wrote: That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor. The first bolded part is an affirmation of all of our worries. We only elected DrH on the premise that we could be sure he is a blue. The rest of it is evidence-less, just like may of your other posts. FoS. Youngminii. | ||
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Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:55 jcarlsoniv wrote: Pandain is playing pretty scummy, I do agree. However, what scares me is that this is exactly how he played in Haunted against Bill Murray, and he flipped town. So I'm not sure what to think. He might just be a really overzealous Devil's Advocate -_- But I think the argument needs to be dropped. Pandain, we do need to worry about Dr.H's alignment, but you two are saying the same things over and over again, and it is getting us no where. We know both of your stances. If we can move on with discussion, the town will benefit. The longer the town is stalled out on decision making for lynch targets, the more the Mafia benefits. This is fine. TBH what I'm afraid of is the topic completely dropping after all those promises from DrH that he would confirm his role immediately. Youngminii certainly seemed to be putting it down entirely, which is still worrisome to me. As for Aeres, his fake roleclaim was a bad move, no doubt. However, I'm not as sure as others that it paints him red. I find that his "slip," in which he insisted on the existence of 2 bodyguards, doesn't make as much sense if he's a red making a fake roleclaim to confuse the town (in which case he might have decided to just put down DC's softclaim and act as the only bodyguard). On the other hand, if he was a town making a fake roleclaim to confuse the mafia, the fact that he was certain of 2 bodyguards makes slightly more sense (because in that case, he has to act as if there are in fact 2 bodyguards). | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think? To be fair, the Do-Gooder was required to use his vote on a mafia, whether it be during the mayor election or a regular lynch election. | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he's an extremely good player and his play in haunted mafia singlehandedly brought the vampires to victory pretty much I'd consider him the best newer player aside from kingjames01. WIFOM but if mafia anticipated medics would protect experienced players he's a sensible hit. So, the mafia are lynching strong newer players? O_o (kingjames and annul) | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote: Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote: 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. I have a nagging hunch Aeres made a terrible, terrible play, but I'll agree the case against him is definitely more concrete than anything I have. | ||
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On November 01 2010 14:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: as a placeholder he said ok, that's fine then | ||
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On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote: Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy. I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this. TBH I think I might have started it, based on the fact that orgolove's role PM said he had a 10% chance to kill his target but it was actually 0%. However, I've also stated multiple times that Artanis wouldn't like about something that consequential, like the number of bodyguards. That would make the game far too hard. | ||
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On November 01 2010 15:12 Fishball wrote: I should clarify this. You obviously knew better, and explained with reason after wards like you said. But it is very possible that other players would use this opportunity, and add the "mods might be lying" element into the mix of debate and arguments. This would definitely complicate things a lot and cause a lot of confusion. These are the people we want to look at. I did a backtrace, and it seems nobody really considered that the mods would lie blatantly until Aeres made his roleclaim. At that point, several people start saying that the mods threw orgolove a curveball, now Aeres claims the mods are lying, what next? Since Aeres has said his claim is fake, we should now put aside the assumption that the mods lie in a manner that would significantly affect gameplay, and perhaps along with it the assumption that there is more than one bodyguard. | ||
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..... On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote: LAL that was his first post in a day or so, iirc On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote: which is in response toWell then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ On November 01 2010 14:02 kitaman27 wrote: At this point I think we should be more concerned about the lurkers. If DrH and Aeres are both blue, then mafia has no problem sitting back and letting the analysis of the two take up 95% of the thread. | ||
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On November 02 2010 04:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This sudden swing to a youngminii bandwagon screams "mafia defense of Aeres" to me. So we're gonna bandwagon youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres? Let's think about this please. We're not bandwagoning youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres. It's the manner in which he bandwagoned Aeres. Without reasoning, hasty, trying to get Aeres lynched for whatever-reason-it-doesn't-matter. Read the posts I quoted above. | ||
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On November 02 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: More input absolutely. But they shouldn't be our lynch targets by any means. oh, ok when you said "sticking onto" i assumed you meant "pressuring" | ||
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On November 02 2010 05:53 kitaman27 wrote: It looks like we have a contradiction there. Kenpachi claims to love reading mafia, yet only reads the couple of posts he is mentioned? I know kenpachi played a really scummy style of town from Haunted mafia, but he isn't making a great case for himself again. that is an awesome catch | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:07 Coagulation wrote: cause then no one would talk about him. apparently he loves it when we talk about him?? well, we're doing it now | ||
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On November 02 2010 06:44 Kenpachi wrote: ##Vote youngminii Ill justify my vote after reading Please read, and THEN vote. The last thing we want is bandwagoners who make premature decisions. | ||
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On November 02 2010 07:18 Pandain wrote: I've never been warned User was warned for this post pro | ||
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On November 02 2010 07:23 Coagulation wrote: i also find myself not wanting to post anywhere else to avoid getting a temp ban induced modkill wait, temp ban -> modkill? | ||
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2) We're not assuming M-Rus is a mafia ability. M-RUS IS A MAFIA ABILITY. On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mayor Artanis of Insania was quickly overwhelmed by the effects of Murrayitis. It quickly became clear that the Mafia had somehow harnessed the power of Murrayitis and planned to use it against the town. 3) I find it ever so slightly contradictory that you campaigned based on "I can confirm 100% my role, but none of the other candidates can confirm 100% that they're blue." But now, once you're elected mayor, you're pushing the idea that all of the main candidates are blue, without even a single confirmation. If you trust that there are no reds amongst the main mayor candidates, you should trust Pandain too, right? | ||
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On November 02 2010 08:38 LunarDestiny wrote: So lazy that I use this chart as reference... According to the chart, ShmotZ and Orgolove are part of Fishball's circle. But according to the role pm given after their death, there is no mentioning for any circle whatsoever. Orgolove the ADD Doctor is now dead. ShmotZ the Mafia Do-Gooder has been modkilled. Artanis said that the players may have received additional PMs, which would be left out of the Day post, in addition to the Role PM. Those additional PMs may include information about the circle. | ||
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by request: An analysis of youngminii It's interesting to note that youngminii made only one post on Day 1. It "explains" his choice for mayor (not really, since it's exactly 8 words long). He hasn't even expounded on it as of now, and he didn't respond to questioning. On October 29 2010 14:55 youngminii wrote: I buy fishball's story. I don't buy bum's. Two conclusions. Nothing to show how he got there. He still hasn't said anything about it, but at this point it might be moot. On October 31 2010 19:50 youngminii wrote: hi Sorry for not having been on in a while, I've been away from a computer for a bit (did not know it was going to happen). I'll skim the thread before I say anymore. That's fair. I'm not going to question an unexpected leave. Still, you should respond to the questions we asked on Day 1. On October 31 2010 20:20 youngminii wrote: oh god that was a shitfest, i didn't read everything to the full but i got the general gist of what's going on Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves: Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway. Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone? DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*. Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? This isn't much of a defense, actually. Basically, he says there is no way that his lynch-dodge could be a red role. Except that it was pointed out that it is actually possible for a lynch-dodging role to be red (e.g. dodge lynch the first time, like a red veteran). I agree that it's not beneficial for him to roleclaim at this point (at least not fully), but instead of using "It's not beneficial to town" as a reason, he uses "I'm obviously not red" as a reason. That's odd. On November 01 2010 03:42 youngminii wrote: No comment. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? He keeps dodging, but he's been adamant about revealing nothing about his role so far. I wouldn't expect anything different. The question is valid, as it's a miswording from Artanis. On November 01 2010 04:07 youngminii wrote: Seriously Pandain? The lynch is the town's greatest weapon, you can't make scum immune to lynches without making the game horribly imbalanced. In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now. Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed. Reveals that he hasn't been reading the game carefully in any way (doesn't know about bumatlarge's circle powers OR fishball's circle). Continues to claim that his role could only possibly be blue. On November 01 2010 04:22 youngminii wrote: Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer. Maybe. Here begins (?) his wagonmongering against Aeres. Even Glasse pointed out that there's no reason to interpret Artanis' words this way. On November 01 2010 04:46 youngminii wrote: Why would you say this if you only think there are 2 bodyguards because of dcx's 'claim'? This is legitimate. He does find an odd contradiction in Aeres' post which becomes one of the main reasons he's questioned and eventually revealed. On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote: Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance. Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard. So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. It's true that Aeres should have been under much more suspicion at this point (and indeed, we soon began questioning Aeres further). However, the scumtell he points out isn't exactly great, as a sane scum who intended to incite distrust of DC would have claimed bodyguard and acted like the only one. On November 01 2010 12:13 youngminii wrote: LAL His first post in a long time. LAL isn't even valid unless there's reason to believe he made that claim to deceive the town. Many people (I think Pandain and DrH both said this, which might be an only-once kind of thing) have stated that lying can be beneficial to the town. On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote: Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information. DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. At this point, he starts attacking Pandain's arguments as spam. No doubt Pandain gets very worked up and the back-and-forth is ... length, but the argumentation isn't contentless. On November 01 2010 12:17 youngminii wrote: Sure that's important. The arguments being put forward (mainly by Pandain) are not important. They are useless, misguided and nothing will be brought up out of them. The only thing they might be able to do is convince some people to vote for DrH without any conclusive evidence. Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars. Focus on Aeres? Why is Aeres' revelation of lying more conclusive than the several contradictions Pandain pointed out? At this point, I'm worried he's reading selectively, and he seems to be actively distracting the town from DrH and putting attention on Aeres. On November 01 2010 13:07 youngminii wrote: You don't fake a roleclaim to confuse mafia. You will only end up confusing town, especially if you do it early in the game. Everyone knows this. Even if there was the small chance that he's telling the truth, he deserves to be killed because of the simple fact that he lied and confused town. His lie and DrH's 'lie' are completely different things. This type of play is discouraged and he should be killed off for it, Bill Murray used to do it a lot to the great dismay of everyone. LAL This is untrue. A player who plays badly or in a discouraged way is not necessarily red. He's just not an asset to town. But we don't lynch to get rid of just anybody. We must lynch to get rid of REDS. So far, nobody has shown decisively that Aeres lied to deceive the town. On November 01 2010 13:07 youngminii wrote: The only real reason I can think of is he played extremely well in Haunted Mafia (carried us to victory). Maybe they saw him as a threat. That's fair. I didn't play in Haunted Mafia, so I wouldn't know. On November 01 2010 13:13 youngminii wrote: I've been thinking about this for a while now. Mafia use a chatroom or something similar as an efficient tool for chatting. Often times the mods of the game join the chatroom to oversee what's happening. So at the point where Aeres had already roleclaimed the second bodyguard (after Annul) a lot of people were asking Artanis whether or not he made lies up. Artanis replied that he would not give an outright lie. This would tell us there is only one bodyguard (unless I'm missing something) which essentially outs Aeres as a liar. So I'm thinking Artanis probably gave Aeres a heads up that he was going to say what he said about the lies beforehand so that Aeres could get a chance to redeem himself a little bit by admitting his lie. ie. he was backed into a corner with no more options. I'm probably horribly wrong on this though, heh. good god, and you're trying to lesson us on what's unlikely and hypothetical, what's concrete and conclusive. On November 01 2010 13:15 youngminii wrote: You're going to die anyway. Unless the mafia are allowed to move the hit? Assuming Node is telling the truth, the hit is decided at the beginning of the day. On November 01 2010 13:19 youngminii wrote: Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard. I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo. The original Cruiseship Captain Crap: The mafia could also put us into a state of "as soon as someone is discovered as lying, lynch." He also makes a very interesting comment, that Aeres doesn't seem to have made up his role -> He must have made it up and then had a "team of people" peer review it. He's really finding the most outlandish ways to paint Aeres as red. On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote: Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ This is just WRONG. Killing someone to find out their alignment is not what we lynch for. On November 01 2010 14:50 youngminii wrote: I cannot think of these situations you refer to but I'm about a hundred percent sure that a softclaim that was vague at best (which turned out to not be a claim) at basically the beginning of the game does not warrant a roleclaim that not only claims the bodyguard role but an extra Cruiseship Captain role. Oh, let's not forget the fact that he said that the mods lied about the number of bodyguard roles too. This is fair. It makes sense with his alibi, but that doesn't mean it isn't suspicious. On November 01 2010 15:08 youngminii wrote: Someone was killed with the role of ADD Doctor, which stated that you had a 10% chance of killing the patient if he wasn't being hit (or something like that). After the death, Artanis stated that the 10% chance was a lie and he would never have actually killed anyone. This tells us there are small, gay lies but no outright ones. This is true and fair. On November 01 2010 15:18 youngminii wrote: Oh right. There were quite a few. Even I thought the mods were lying because they never said anything about it. This is also true and fair. On November 01 2010 22:24 youngminii wrote: Actually I'm just waiting for a counter argument. There's only so much I can say by myself, it takes two to create a discussion. I would recommend you defend yourself. If you don't, probably nobody will. YOU should create the counter argument. On November 01 2010 22:25 youngminii wrote: Interesting theory. We should keep this in mind, perhaps? That might be a bit of a stretch. I doubt there are three circles (aside from the mafia), so the DT and Elder would have to be in either bum's circle or fishball's circle. Remember, fishball only has 3 people in his circle, including himself. On November 01 2010 23:50 youngminii wrote: I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that? Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist. I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him. I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive? I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much, Those arguments are not idiotic. We don't know enough about Aeres to declare him as scum. If you are waiting for a counterargument against yourself, maybe you should produce it. That second part is the main thing I find wrong with this post. On November 02 2010 07:46 youngminii wrote: Interesting bandwagon. I would defend myself but.. I don't feel the need to. My vote's gonna stick with Aeres, pretty sure my vote on him is justified. I dunno why there are so many people suddenly jumping towards me. Anyway, what the hell DrH? This continues to make 0 sense. Why would you not feel the need to defend yourself? OK. I apologize for missing posts (I know I missed one, but I can't find it >____>) Youngminii has been very concerned with Aeres and getting Aeres lynched without evidence. It seems either scummy or evident of a DT who doesn't know how to play and is martyring himself. Except, how many DTs can dodge lynches? >__> Youngminii adamantly refuses to defend himself. I can't possibly imagine what that means, but if anybody wants to supply a theory, I REALLY want to hear it. | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:24 Fishball wrote: I've been considering it, but I respect the opinions of the other 2 members so I've been wanting to discuss with them; Only if one of the other guy get back to me first... Also, there is a fair chance that the Mafia DO NOT know about the circle members, considering one of the Mafia members in the circle was actually mod-killed for inactivity. Whether or not he would pass on the information, is another story. That's an interesting point. Good job avoiding a hasty reveal IMO | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:41 Ace wrote: Infinitestory I don't know if you read selectively but I've illustrated a few times why Aeres lie deserves a lynch. He possibly even lied more than once. Most damning of all he claimed the mods lie to justify his lie. Come on stop being blind. I don't know. Claiming the mods lie to justify his own... I see Aeres' whole thing as a very fleshed out but shitty plan. His alibi has no clear contradictions in it (even the slip up in talking makes sense if you think about someone who must act as if there are multiple bodyguards to defend DrH) I'm not saying Aeres is town. I'm not saying he's a good or valuable player. I'm saying that youngminii's eagerness to lynch Aeres based on a lie, one which Aeres made a solid defense for, is suspicious. On top of that, youngminii refuses to defend himself, he defends DrH vigorously, and now DrH comes to his defense. Perhaps you're the one who must stop being blind, because youngminii's unexplained attempt at martyrdom is beyond suspicious, and almost nobody has made a single comment on it up until my post. | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He NEVER attempted martyrdom. This isn't the first time you've twisted peoples arguments to make them more extreme . Come on dude. Aeres didn't make any defense. He said he had a pro-town plan, didn't say what it was, then when I asked him if he was trying to soak hits he said yes when it';s clear reading his original claim that that is not a viable plan AT ALL. And shitting on youngminii for defending me is hilarious when Aeres has been one of my most fervent defenders since the first day lol 1) If "I'm not going to defend myself against your argument" isn't martyrdom, I have NO clue what is. Enlighten me. 2) I don't think Aeres had a viable plan. His plan was terrible. That doesn't make it scummy for the reasons that youngminii listed. Aeres wanted to defend you, and I see no contradiction in trying to produce an extra bodyguard for the mafia to hit. It might not be a pretty or good solution, but it is not a scummy solution. Aeres explained his plan in full, and nobody's found a lie within that plan yet. That is what I mean by a solid defense. 3) It's more the fact that youngminii comes out of absolutely nowhere to defend you. Aeres defending you since the start is all fine and dandy, but youngminii's defense of you comes fairly out of the blue. | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: martyrdom is saying "goa head lynch me idc" like AERES and SiNiquity did. Did I mention Aeres did that? Aeres did that. no he didn't explained his plan in full. he didn't explain his plan at all. he was intentionally vague and then when I asked what his plan could be he jumped immediately on to what I was talking about. HUGE difference. out of the blue? what makes a defense out of the blue or not? what does that mean "coming out of nowhere?" where should he come from? 1) hey siniquity cemented himself on our lynch list day 1 for martyring himself, thanks for reminding me about that 2) On November 01 2010 11:43 Aeres wrote: that doesn't sound particularly vague to meAlright, it's confession time. I was indeed lying. I am not a Bodyguard. When 666 was accused of roleclaiming Bodyguard, I freaked out a bit. I figured that if he was indeed a Bodyguard, then Mafia might try to take him down and leave the Doc defenseless. I didn't want that to happen, so I pretended to be Bodyguard to throw Mafia off and give the town some time to plan. There wasn't much I could have done as a townie with the role I have, based as it is on self-preservation; that role is more useful in the hands of a Mafia. I figured that I might as well try and make use of the role I had, and see if it did any good. When I had typed out that post of me false-claiming, I just looked at the post I had made, pondering if this was a good move. In the end, after like 5 minutes of thinking, I decided that I wouldn't know until I tried. I tried a risky strategy, and I fucked up. I had a feeling my plan would either work splendidly or fail miserably. Clearly, the latter possibility occurred, since 666 wasn't the Bodyguard at all. Nothing really else to say... I took a chance and missed the mark. I meant what I said when I stated I was acting for the good of the town. At this point, I understand if my word has little value, but I am not lying when I say I am town. (I wanted to experiment in this game, since it was unorthodox to begin with. I apologize for screwing up town by being too bold. =( Please don't hate me....) 3) Don't use that worthless rhetoric. He came out of the blue because he had one post on day 1, and only two (?) posts before he started defending you. You even noted that. That's why he was your #1 lynch on day 1, remember? | ||
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You bring up valid points. Aeres did lie. He did confuse the town. He did have holes in his play. But he ended up revealing it all. I think I bring up valid points. Youngminii is far too fanatic about lynching Aeres. Youngminii didn't defend himself for a good while. Youngminii's posting behavior is erratic. But he's defended himself now. I'm going to keep my vote on youngminii. I'll stand by my own beliefs. I still don't want ANYONE bandwagoning on either candidate. I want everyone to read both sides of every argument. I hope we can at least agree that bandwagoning is undesirable, and that we should apply pressure to those who blindly vote or voted. | ||
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Our argument, like the one you had with Pandain, is now going in circles. If you have any additional points to bring up, I'll hear them. If I have any additional points to bring up, I'll share them. | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: these ones if you could highlight specifically where he highlights his plan in that post I'd love to hear it mmk, 1) I find Aeres' "martyrdom" less suspicious because he at least attempted to offer some sort of reasoning behind his behavior. Youngminii didn't until I specifically pressured him into doing it. If you find Aeres' martyrdom more scummy, that's fine by me. I suppose that's subjective. 2) This is a highly legitimate point. iirc we were asking whether it's possible for the Cruiseship Captain to defend the mayor while at sea, but Artanis refused to answer because it might have confirmed/denied roles. I don't think it's possible to resolve that point. | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:31 youngminii wrote: Hey wait, I was totally right here. Why are you using this as an argument, infinitestory? For one, we don't know if he's scum for certain. Also, he made the same response to a question about the Cruiseship Captain role, so by the same logic the Cruiseship Captain doesn't exist either. That just seems unlikely to me. | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:37 youngminii wrote: ............................................................................................................................................... You know the Cruiseship Captain role was made up, right? Or am I missing something here... ok, no wonder I felt like there was this gigantic disconnect can someone point me to where we agreed that Cruiseship Captain is made up | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:40 youngminii wrote: Okay maybe I made a giant assumption about the Cruiseship Captain role's authenticity. I always thought it was just assumed to be made up along with the whole bodyguard role. ....well I thought about it, and this totally explains a lot of your actions, including why you were incredibly convinced his plan was to avoid suspicion while framing DC, and why you are so completely certain that Aeres should be lynched. UGH this makes a good amount of my analysis worthless. -_- | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:55 NB wrote: ok you are right!.. its 6vs5... close remind me of you voting for InfiniteStory to check if anyone protecting him or not tbh it is 7 vs 5 following kitaman's vote | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote: hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight! we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard! who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?.... why assume this? also, why are DrH and DC your only candidates for protect? | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote: Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit? Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs. Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did. At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up. | ||
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On November 02 2010 12:01 Coagulation wrote: LETS LYNCH BENEATHER >_> | ||
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On November 02 2010 12:01 Pandain wrote: Hi beneather. Part 1 of dr. h analysis coming up shortly make it your 2000th post | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:47 Nemesis wrote: I do agree with L that we need to pick a lynch target who isn't part of the heavy arguing going on. If anyone can put together a case for an alternative, I'd be more than glad to hear it. Youngminii just revealed he had a misconception that ... certainly puts his actions in a different light. I'm nowhere near as sure of youngminii anymore, and I'm not very content with the argument against Aeres (note: this does not mean throw the same points at me again). | ||
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On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote: The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to.. hmm. Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die? Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name. | ||
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On November 02 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The problem with talking about inactives, is you can't really talk about inactives. If players are truly inactive, not posting at all, then really they're all equally likely to be scum and no real conclusions can be drawn. However it is by no means a good thing that the town gets split 50/50 or that one argument/conflict is the spotlight of the entire day. Inactives need to start posting! I want to see Divinek post D: I want to see Divinek, Veldril, KtheZ, Hyperbola, and Infundibulum post. >_> iirc they've been posting the least. I would ask Kenpachi to post more too, but he's banned atm | ||
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On November 02 2010 13:45 youngminii wrote: lol I think it's same to assume it was Fishball's PM group. Anyway, did L just single handedly take all the attention away from Aeres with one post that doesn't really defend his actions in any solid manner? Seriously? I can understand that, as long as we go back over everything before this day cycle ends. We need to avoid getting hung up over Aeres and whatnot, but we shouldn't forget about it. | ||
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On November 02 2010 13:50 youngminii wrote: ok agreed I'm interested in the analysis of Misder. I could almost swear he played very similarly in a game of mafia when we were both scum. I'll just go away and look for it now. good luck | ||
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On November 02 2010 14:07 youngminii wrote: Okay based on TL Mafia XXX and TL Mafia XXXI, Misder is a lot more aggressive and willing to point fingers as scum. When he's town he tends to take a more neutral stance, and even when he's posting to voice his opinion of someone being scum (and voting for them) he would say something like "I feel as if x is more townlike than y and so I'm led to believe y is the most scummiest right now. That's why I'm putting my vote on him" whereas as scum he's more straightforward, "I'm voting for x because his posts are very scummy. Reasons x y z, he's scum". He also likes bussing. I remember in XXX when we were on the same team, basically his first post of value was one bussing me, then he went on trying to bus one or two more teammates throughout the game. wait http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 says Misder was meek in XXX as scum but previously aggressive as town. I know in XXXI (because I was in it and I did one of the major analyses on Misder's contradictory posts >___>) Misder was aggressive but later apologetic as town. | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:16 bumatlarge wrote: Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected. I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. he's becoming a clearer townie? from what i can tell, there are now more people suspicious of drh than 1 day ago. also, the reason the reds have a plague doctor is probably because blues visiting reds or vice versa can (i'd assume) infect reds with murrayitis as well | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:24 KtheZ wrote: I'll try to be more active now. Please do try. | ||
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every day, we get 1 blue lynch, 2 blue modkills, 1 red modkill, and a PM network is severely damaged due to modkill(s) | ||
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Where the fuck was Mr. Additional Mafia Vote yesterday? Did I miss it? | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:55 Glasse wrote: 1. he forgot about it, could be one of the active day 1- inactive day 2 player. 2. can't be used every day 3. mysterious stuff happened that reminds me, I have a question for you. Do you have a guess as to why the Day post said we're in a sticky situation with DrH as mayor if you didn't write that? | ||
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On November 03 2010 10:02 Glasse wrote: Idk, what do you want me to write?, i have a character restriction lmao mafia twitter | ||
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ebwop: i don't mean i think your role is red. i mean it's like twitter embedded in the game of mafia felt like i needed to be clear about that | ||
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On November 03 2010 10:16 Coagulation wrote: scum constantly do what doesnt make sense for them to do JUST for the simple fact that they can say this. so what is this "glasse is red" conclusion being based off of, anyway? | ||
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On November 03 2010 10:26 Coagulation wrote: im not saying hes scum. im saying hes not a confirmed townie because he says he can post in the day post. ok, i agree with that i have been seeing posts about Glasse being suspicious, though, and I would like to know where those are coming from. | ||
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On November 03 2010 11:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Explanation to everyone regarding plague doctors, since one has died: (Plague) Doctors are not immune to Murrayitis, but will be notified of their infection. Every night, they may protect one person. If he does not have murrayitis, he will be immunized. If he does, he will just be cured. Plague Doctors may cure themselves, but can not become immune to Murrayitis. If (plague) doctors visit a patient with murrayitis AND that person has a hit on him, both the target and the doctor will die. So, how are plague doctors different from regular doctors? I thought the difference was that plague doctors were immune and could transfer immunization, while regular doctors could only cure. It also seems pretty unexpected that plague doctors can't immunize and cure at the same time. Lastly, I thought that plague doctors and regular doctors could both protect against hits and cure murrayitis at the same time. This post radically modifies every notion I had of doctors and plague doctors >_> | ||
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On November 03 2010 12:54 LunarDestiny wrote: DrH, please clarify. Your role is stick and not doctor right? DrH's roleclaim is: Blue Sticky You can poke someone every night. If you're not roleblocked and: 1) the target doesn't have Murrayitis, the poke goes through. DrH receives no PM, but the target receives a PM saying he was poked by DrH 2) the target does have Murrayitis, the poke fails. DrH receives a PM saying it failed, but the target receives no PM. that's my understanding, anyway | ||
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On November 03 2010 13:02 LunarDestiny wrote: Immune to M-RUS huh... trash the idea. i thought we decided that if DrH is a m-rus immune m-rus spreader, then he's almost certainly red >___> and that played a major part in modifying the plan to confirm his role | ||
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there are 3/29 players with murrayitis DrH will only find a murrayitis carrier tonight with some excellent luck On November 03 2010 13:09 bumatlarge wrote: It seems you are a bit confused as to the reasons why I would be scummy at all. And Dr. H is in my circle. So is one other that I wont disclose. Everything you have said derives from your inconsistent understanding of what is happening. Someone else post a better analysis if you are really going to be suspicious of me, which I find on the other hand to be completely reasonable since I am the only candidate with one mafia to have voted for me and no confirmed townies. And if anyone wants to link Dr. H and I, go ahead. On the contrary, I want you to explain to me why DrH is becoming a clearer townie day by day in spite of the fact that the last 50 pages or so have been a clusterfuck involving Pandain, Coagulation, and myself poking holes in DrH's story the whole way through, and that DrH has not confirmed his role and was a major advocate for lynching Aeres (who as you know was blue). | ||
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I don't think that paragraph refers to annul. In the part about annul's death, it says he was killed and then one other person arrived. With this guy, he wasn't killed, and multiple people arrived to find him gagged. Your find on that "prodding" part was a very good catch, though: the connection to DrH's poke is something I haven't seen made yet. I was thinking the poor guy was DrH himself, but now I'm not nearly as certain. Also, your version of that paragraph is old; LSB has since updated it. The major change is that the "poor guy" never left his house; he found the door duct taped. Also, I don't think the guy was bussed. It says that he would have arrived at the wrong house anyway, had his door not been taped, which seems to indicate that his target was bussed instead. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/324/sunrisepp.jpg) Day 3 This is Insania News, my name is Zacko Whacko. Last night has taken its toll on many inhabitants of Insania. The tragedy of the cruiseship was remembered, and a day of silence was called in. As elder Jcarlsoniv returned home from the mourning, he was swiftly welcomed by the mob. It was however the last welcome he would ever have. Another person who came back from mourning was Bumatlarge. He hurried home in hopes of seeing his wife again, but his worst fear came true instead. "Please get in.", someone said, and so he did. A silenced shot was fired and Bumatlarge was thrown in the water. Jcarlsoniv the Floridan is now dead. bumatlarge the Stalker Townie is now dead. News in 60 seconds: Some looney tried to force his way into a house, but this attempt failed. The man himself was out of town for the night. Several houses were invaded. Another man was seen on the rooftops. An unidentified second and third man were seen attempting to infiltrate houses, but were not caught. The mayor has promised he would try to make the city more safe at day, starting off by lynching a baddie. Now for Radio Looney: "Blue pill is not what you think. @Glasse : Woa! I have my own twitter now! My scumbuddy is DoctorHelvetica! *wink* *wink* :3" It is now day! 3 people are infected. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Remember: There are still 3 double lynches available, which you can vote on. Should a majority pass on this, they will be used in the next day phase. quoting in case it's edited and changed. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I also received this PM from bumatlarge uh oh, this bolded part right here should we assume Ace doesn't know this PM was relayed to you? | ||
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1) No additional infections. How the hell did that happen? 2) Someone was protected. I find it highly likely that was DC. 3) Bum's dead. Fuck. 4) jcarlsoniv was Elder. Fuck. 5) hey there Glasse, what did you send for the radio? Also, why is LOONY decapitalized and spelled different? 6) 3 (?) people tried to force their way into houses and failed. Whaaaat? And that extra guy on the rooftops? 7) Someone else was out of town. That's definitely NOT Aeres this time. 8) A silenced shot killed bum? Could that mean something? 9) hello mayor, help us lynch a baddie! | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's just a stylistic difference between me and LSB, haha. oh ok | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: btw if detectives have found a significant mafia persona (an active mafia poster) now is the time to come out and say who it is, this could lead to getting 2 mafia lynches tomorrow with a double lynch I guess Coagulation counts as active? I am an ADD Detective. On October 30 2010 14:30 infinitestory wrote: posted this a long time ago, looking for others with ADD roles the same way DrH hinted at "sticky" to NodeIf I were a medic, I would get myself checked out for possible mental diseases, from ADD to total and utter psychoneurosis, with all this INSANE talk going around. I get a RNG'd target to check every night. My chances of finding a red every night so far have been about 1 in 4, so I figured if I caught a scum I would consider claiming the very next day. Night 1 I got annul (and ended up playing on his tire swing all night >____> while getting 0 information). Night 2 I got Coagulation. Excellllent~ Coagulation is a mafia, and his role is Mafia Retard (I giggled when I read it too). I have no idea what the role does, since DT checks don't give the full role PM. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:52 L wrote: Seems far more likely that DC was CC than he was protted. Check his posts regarding being saved; he played it as if protting him was a violently bad move, which makes no logical sense. Maybe a doc protted him anyways, but he's pretty certain to be CC. Dunno why the mods would give CC to mafia either, so he's probably blue as well. oh wait if DC is a CC as well, that actually makes a ton of sense 1) he told us not to prot him 2) someone left town, as the day post suggests. that someone is definitely not Aeres this time. perhaps of note is that someone else tried to break into the town-leaver's house. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:55 Ace wrote: Oh this just got very interesting grats on defiler | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:56 Glasse wrote: can't we have 2? i think we should use those double lynch to our advantage and maybe take care of a suspect + a lurker? we vote on double lynch, but it'll be used during the NEXT day cycle | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:57 Glasse wrote: oh is that how it works? then i guess we should vote yes so we can use everything we can :S we can always not lynch a second person anyway right? yes, i believe we can veto it the next day (that's how it worked in mafia XXXI iirc) If we decide on a double lynch, can we vote to veto it during the next day cycle? If so, do we get that double lynch back? | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote: I say we double lynch coag and pandain. if we vote on double lynch today, we lynch two people during the next day cycle, not this one that's my understanding | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:02 Glasse wrote: I say you are a lurker that came out of nowhere and should explain yourself? Not that I disagree, but i'm curious. I know why on coag, but i have not been paying much attention to pandain for a lot of pages kthez made a large post about two posts above the one you quoted | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: immediately apparent is pandain/coagulation both tried to spread mistrust o fishball because he used "secret circle" that could be very dangerous or wasn't helpful to town anyone else who used this argument gets an FoS. Does anyone recall who else used this argument against Fishball as a strong point? iirc NB did, but some of his posts have seemed really naive so far, so I might take that with a grain of salt | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:33 Nemesis wrote: Ha! I just realized that I will probably be one of the most suspicious if Pandain does turn out to be a mafia since I was one of the 2 people that voted for him other than Coagulation. I guess I'll just have to deal with it when the time comes. wtf? how does that work? | ||
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ebwop: oh, you meant for the mayor elections | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:41 kitaman27 wrote: lol whoops I missed that, I'll do 6 then. The page is based on the link DrH posted. There are like 100 posts per page that's like as many posts as I have in all my TL career almost | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:49 CubEdIn wrote: This is a standard handicap role, also known as "the warewolf" where one person has to say a world at least once a day. I don't see why else he would post that, but I'll go check previous days. I am worried because as far as I know, this role is red usually. But I could be wrong. Help me out here. information source? I can't find it on mafiascum.net it's also not true, since the word "teenager" has only been posted once in the thread | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:58 NB wrote: what is iirc?.... you mean irc? @_@... and english is not my 1st lang so what grain of salt supposed to mean? T_T iirc = if i remember correctly take with a grain of salt = don't trust it 100% | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:22 Ace wrote: o.0 You'd be surprised. Millers + Sanity = lots of room to fakeclaim. what role would millers show up as? definitely not regular red goons | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:34 Ace wrote: They do if the game is using an alignment check and not role check. You don't see Miller, you see X player is Scum not knowing they are a Miller. As a matter of fact, DT checks return the role name as well as alignment. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:41 Ace wrote: What was pushed forward by me? bum never had a death post, Dr.H and I revealed we were both Masoned to him and I revealed the PMs between us. @infinitestory : I was talking about standard games. It's either one or the other. If there are Millers in the game I doubt the rolecheck would return Miller as that just defeats the point of the role. ahh ok. btw bum did have a death post or two. DrH posted it somewhere in the couple pages after the day post. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i feel uncomfortable something about his role feels really plausible to me, but at the same time its very easy to fake and much safer to fake than mine i suggest we kill pandain/someone unconnected or opposed to pandain if pandain turns up blue and the other turns up red that could be really good for us in the end. I feel approximately the same way about pandain but what we need to do right now is probably scumhunt for other targets to consider, rather than getting hung up pestering pandain, since i don't know if we're getting any more out of that. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:53 youngminii wrote: No, we're killing Pandain. He's posting scummily (as usual though) and there is no reason for Artanis/LSB to make two roles that literally overlap yet have one *slightly* better than the other. If Pandain is blue then FoS infinitestory. Wait, what the fuck? Doctor & Plague Doctor literally overlap yet PD is *slightly* better >___> | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:59 kitaman27 wrote: Maybe Coagulation and vig hit him and kill himself in the process :p lol :p | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:15 Ace wrote: Ok let me get this straight then: You could have confirmed yourself via alignment checks, but you just happened to always hit pro-town players and now that you're on the noose is the only reason you are claiming your role. That's it right? actually, the chance he hits pro-town players 2 nights in a row is a bit better than 1/2 | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:28 LunarDestiny wrote: WTF, if what you are saying is true (we know after the lynch with your role pm), then GG pandain. explain? | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:37 LunarDestiny wrote: Wait... my statement of Coagulation flicking Booger at a random mafia member which I say is Pandain is not wrong. Coagulation say he is a retard and can fling booger (we will know after the lynch). The mod post in the voting thread say booger is flung to a random mafia member. The mafia member "ran out". Pandain is hit with "green substance" who also "ran out". So the question is booger can be green right... I don't really pick my booger so I don't know. what 1) coag can fling boogers? he didn't explicitly say this, but it kinda makes sense 2) it's not a random mafia member. it's an anonymous mafia vote... i don't get how that implies the booger always hits a mafia member | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:45 bumatlarge wrote: I apologize for posting but having vast experience on this subject matter, I found myself incapable of not answering this question. Boogers are composed of dried nasal mucus, and are often a dark yellow color, and occasionally carry a greenish hue, but only the most veteran nosepickers are informed of this. Fun fact, a little less then half of adults have eaten their snot and have enjoyed it. Snot is meant to be consumed regardless, as mucus normally gets swallowed after cilia sends it down the hatch. Feasting on others' boogers is generally shunned upon as the mucus may carry foriegn bacteria harmful to different bodies. i almost posted "fuck man i just ate dinner" to this then i realized that might be setting myself up | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm going to ignore everything coagulation says at this point. Heres what we need to discuss: If Pandain flips blue, what do if we need to have a fleshed-out backup plan, we're not confident enough in pandain's scumminess imo. but yeah, we should probably start scumhunting for targets unrelated to pandain | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:37 Coagulation wrote: As a last act of defiance I loaded up my finger with my carefully harvested ammunition and took aim at doch. but it was too sticky and clung to my finger upon my attempted firring. so i began to shake my hand vigorously to remove it and in true retard fashion projected it into my own eye. pro | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:58 LunarDestiny wrote: Question to Infinitestory your role check on Coag shows he is Mafia Retard in black and not in red color right? it shows his name in bold red, the rest in regular font | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:59 DCLXVI wrote: Wait, don't lynch Coagulation - I have a bomb on him Also, I did get medic protected last night. Coag would've been dead, but someone just had to save me... We should lynch pandain instead and then lynch me tomorrow in the double vote once I move the other bomb. It is currently on someone I think is 50% townie, and I have a better suspect. whoa goddamn that's like the 4th roleclaim today wait, so you did get protted last night? (i.e. not an escapist role) | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why dont you just switch your bomb off coagulation then? i think that with his plan, we get pandain's lynch earlier and he has a shot at taking down an additional person in the next day cycle... not 100% sure if worth it though, i feel like there could be a severe downside to this that i haven't thought of | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if we're going to kill DC we should vig hit him, not lynch him DC: move your bomb from coagulation to pandain we vig hit DC and blow up pandain and someone else and then we dont have to waste a lynch on DC what about the other bomb DC has he thinks it's on a more likely townie than red | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:10 Coagulation wrote: DCLXVI is mafia trying to save me i appreciate the effort but i have accepted my fate where did i put that picture of the orly owl... brb let me find it | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:10 Coagulation wrote: DCLXVI is mafia trying to save me i appreciate the effort but i have accepted my fate ![[image loading]](http://www.orly-owl.com/Images/Mexican_orly_thumb.jpg) here we go wait wat | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:28 Kenpachi wrote: zerg icon = auto scum .. Im not sure about what 666 is trying to say.. is he saying he gives up also or he being sarcastic about being mafia phew, thank god i dont have a zerg icon anymore hes being sarcastic btw also, if dc turns out to be mafia, and we follow his plan, he just handed himself to us on a silver platter o_o although in that case we would also lose some townies probably | ||
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On November 04 2010 12:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You're right. I'm trying to consider what kind of advantage mafia could get from doing this and there isn't one. Why go to that length to save coagulation who is clearly their worst player? I'll switch my vote to Pandain. I say we go with DC's plan. what's preventing mafia from hitting you and blowing up your bombs preemptively? Does your bomb switch occur before a hit does? this is a good question to ask i have a feeling the bomb switch will occur first, but we should get it clarified | ||
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remember Kenpachi claimed some super powers? he's not guaranteed to be able to use those if we kill coag this way that could be minor though, it all depends on the veracity of kenpachi's claim and the extend of his superpowers | ||
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I've claimed ADD Detective with a check returning red on Coagulation. DCLXVI has claimed Mad Hatter with a bomb on Coagulation. Kenpachi has semi-claimed a role that gets super powers if he votes for a mafia who ends up getting lynched that day. Pandain has claimed trash collector, which checks the alignment of one player randomly every night (checks town on me and Nemesis). However, DrH et al. are leading a movement to lynch Pandain based on scummy play. So right now, we have Coagulation and Pandain facing the guillotine. we have 2 suggested plans: 1) Original plan. We lynch Coagulation today, vote double lynch for next day. We get a vig hit on Pandain tonight if possible, and decide next day's lynches based on that. Pros: Kill a mafia immediately. This may reduce mafia's KP as well. Kenpachi is guaranteed to be able to use his super powers. Is much simpler, and has less "what ifs." Conserves our Mad Hatter. If Pandain is blue, he has more time to prove it and might find us another red. Cons: We don't get as many kills. Also, if we don't use a vig, we might have to use a lynch on Pandain and it takes more time. We may also end up wasting one of DC's bombs. 2) Alternate plan. We lynch Pandain today, tonight DC moves his other bomb onto somebody more scummy. Next day, we lynch DC and another person, so DC's bombs blow up and kill Coagulation too. Pros: More kills, which means more chances to hit either town or red. Can conserve a vigilante. We lynch Pandain earlier and therefore have more time/information to decide next day's lynches. Cons: More "what iffy." Kenpachi is not guaranteed to be able to use his ability, DC might die overnight, mafia might have some other dastardly trick up their sleeves (remember, they have more information than us), wtf are we going to do if Pandain is blue, etc. As town, we should decide on one plan and ALL FOLLOW IT. The main reason for this is that Kenpachi can only use his ability if the player he votes for actually gets lynched, from what I read. We should aim to avoid letting the mafia steer us toward whichever one is more beneficial for them. | ||
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On November 05 2010 09:56 deconduo wrote: Oh and theres no reason not to vote for a double lynch at this stage I think, so I would FoS anyone that isn't voting for it. so i went over the thread to see who this included, and I noticed I myself forgot to. fuck | ||
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On November 06 2010 08:31 Glasse wrote: So i didn't read everything about the discussion, who is confirmed mafia if coag is red? was it pandain? cubedin? People were saying Pandain because Coag vigorously defended Pandain some time ago | ||
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On November 06 2010 09:31 Kenpachi wrote: GOD DAMN IT HOW DID COAG GET LYNCHED ... I might die tonight.. Then i say DrH and DC are Mafia -_- coag got lynched because i put forth our two plans, told the town in bold font to all stick with one, and they decided to split almost exactly down the middle -_____________- i decided earlier today that if i got home before the day cycle ended, i would write a message in huge font telling kenpachi to make sure he voted for whoever won... but i got home late by just a few minutes i think | ||
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On November 06 2010 09:05 L wrote: Bomb* actually, needa clarify If the MH loses a bomb because the person it's on is lynched, does he get it back? | ||
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On November 06 2010 09:51 LunarDestiny wrote: Then how do you explain the secret mafia vote which came at 6:55? a mafia with an extra vote ability decided to use it just before 6:55 | ||
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On November 06 2010 09:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: no conclusions can be drawn from that vote it could be a bus it could be to make pandain look more suspicious it could be to make everyone switch off coag it could be anything wait a sec, hey... also, i don't think it could be a bus, seeing as the mafia would then be handing us an unconfirmed red in order to save a confirmed red | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:00 Kenpachi wrote: well if i die tonight, it would probably only be me to suspect you and DC are mafia regardless of everything that happened in this game because im sorta ticked that the plan was changed :l.. But if i dont die, i dont want to vote for DC cause i want to actually help the town by voting Pandain .. Wasnt it planned that DC was going to die according to Node or was it disproved? DC was protted last night. Node says NB is dying tonight. | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: busing coagulation as in they're voting for him cause they dont care if he dies oh, what in f- i read the secret mafia vote under pandain somehow >_____> | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: almost 99% of kthez's posts have been in the last day phase (when a mafia just happened to have been caught) and were mostly concerned with changing the lynch from coagulation to pandain we should lynch him tomorrow why does that make him suspicious again? there were several people advocating for changing the lynch to pandain iirc if there are specific posts which look scummy in that duration, mind highlighting them for me? | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:04 DCLXVI wrote: Well that sucks. Apparently people wanted their results today instead of waiting until tomorrow for double the benefit, but sure. So I am not a usual mad hatter, I am a crazy mad hatter in that my downside is I commit suicide tonight (and none one else dies). So if the doctor who saved me last night wants to help me out again that would be great, but I think protecting our DT (IS) might be a bit more important since I only have one bomb now. If my plan was voted for I would have said something about how I was vulnerable tonight to try to get doc protection or get hit by mafia, but w/e. Good luck town, and take a good hard look at which plans people supported today and for what reason. I think you can find several mafia just from looking at the voting today. I'm not a highly valuable DT, since my check is RNG'd. We have something on the order of 18 blues, 6 reds remaining, so once again my check is a 1 in 4 thing (which means on average I'll find another red on night 6). Medics, please don't waste your prot on me unless you have an excellent reason. | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: we went from having a sure red target to a big split bandwagon. you don't think mafia were involved in that? the fact that literally all of kthez's impactful posts have been in that regard makes him suspicious to me. actually, that's pretty darned true to be fair, i'll note that you and some others (Ace? i can't even remember) advocated lynching pandain too... but i will agree that it's especially odd that kthez didn't come in actively until i found coag | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:16 LunarDestiny wrote: I think if a DT check Pandain and he is blue. The dt should claim. This would save us one lynch (on pandain) and we will then know that Pandain was telling the truth. Then Pandain's claim on infinitestory and Nemesis is blue is also true. Pandain's night 3 alignment check is also true. *and we also get the DT's night 1 and night 2 checks but that's only provided DT and Pandain are both telling the truth | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: anyway infinitestory is now my #1 suspect but I need to read through his posts to confirm that umm, care to explain why? | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:18 LunarDestiny wrote: I missed that night post. Where was it? bottom of page 155 it says that Lexpar's role is Careful Doctor, which will die if he protects a red Lexpar stated that if he died night 1, then DrH is red... which means Lexpar probably protected DrH and survived | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i thought either you or pandain were mafia on day 2 when my poke didn't come through I'm more inclined to believe that you were mafia based on the posting but when you claimed DT and got coagulation killed I rejected the notion until I realized it is an easy bus and you did absolutely nothing to confirm your role and there are things about your roleclaim that make me think its more likely a lie than the truth like the rng check and the 1/4th chance versus 10%, it's inconsistent with the other known ADD role in the game not to mention it's awfully convenient that the results returned were the roles and alignments of a player any mafia would know whether or not he had DT powers, you had no information that every mafia didn't already have just information town didn't necessarily have the only reason it was 1/4 is because it randomly selects a member from the game at the time (beginning of night 2), there were 7 reds and 21 blues hence, probability of finding a red is 7/28 = 1/4 | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you said it had a 1/4th chance of failure if i am remembering correctly do you not remember the way the role you faked works? please show me the post where i said it had a 1/4 chance of failure | ||
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On November 06 2010 11:02 Hyperbola wrote: Not sure if anybody analyzed Coagulation's post history extensively before, but now that he's flipped scum I believe it's worthwhile. I did not quote all of his posts but I did quote all relevant to my conclusions. Also Coag got the 1337 post. Ok so solely based off of Coagulation's post history I've discerned the following. 1. Pandain is almost certainly scum (common opinion at this point). Coagulation supports Pandain all throughout his election and shits on the other candidates. I only quoted some of his posts but he has maaany in support of Pandain. 2. Doctor Helvetica is almost certainly innocent. Coagulation spent the entire thread accusing DocH. If he was a fellow scum then Coagulation, as the prime accuser, might have single handedly caused DocH to get lyched due to all of his attacks. Thus, the probability is low. 3. Youngminii is almost certainly town. Coag again attacks him repeatedly throughout the thread and always tries to draw attention to him. 4. Node is probably innocent and not lying. Although I thought he was suspicious before, Node's credibility is questioned by Coag more than once in the thread. 5. Glasse is probably town aligned. He badmouths Glasse a few times in the thread. Not very strong but there's nothing on Glasse to prove otherwise. just at a glance, one major thing wrong is that if X shows animosity towards Y, that doesn't mean X and Y are opposite alignments. Same if X shows support for Y, that doesn't mean they're the same alignment. This is especially relevant for points 4 and 5 IMO | ||
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1) Cubedin was roleblocked while protting himself. Dammit. 2) DC's suicide blew up deconduo. We get lucky again! 3) Neither Pandain nor I is dead. 4) DrH, Cubed, and DC were all perfectly honest with their claims. 5) NB did NOT die. Node, you have some explaining to do. 6) Glasse did not broadcast anything. Radio LOONY is empty. 7) 2 immune, 5 infected. M-itis is spreading far slower than expected. 8) Three men visited one house one time, while another guy was "unavailable for comment" 9) Don't forget double lynch. Who are our suspects? 10) Let's start analyzing the day posts for hints toward roles. Who's died by gunshot? Who's died by explosive? etc. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:25 kitaman27 wrote: Mind giving the name of your role and a better description of how it works? Is it straight up detective or is there more to it? From his post, it looks like he's a regular detective whose checks return the opposite alignment. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:30 Amber[LighT] wrote: Well we could lynch Pandain and another person not on your checks to check your own sanity. We had a plan to lynch Padain anyway so it almost works out that we can confirm your sanity, and it's a safeguard to understand that you aren't lying, after all. Let's try not to lynch someone who's more likely town than mafia at the moment. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry, this was wrong. 3 immune, 4 infected. Updated in the post. Excellent. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:30 kitaman27 wrote: I would say no to the role name. Maybe the alignment, unless you feel revealing it would hurt us as a town. Alright then. I don't think there's any way this will hurt us: Infundibulum is town | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:21 infinitestory wrote: Points of note! 1) Cubedin was roleblocked while protting himself. Dammit. 2) DC's suicide blew up deconduo. We get lucky again! 3) Neither Pandain nor I is dead. 4) DrH, Cubed, and DC were all perfectly honest with their claims. 5) NB did NOT die. Node, you have some explaining to do. 6) Glasse did not broadcast anything. Radio LOONY is empty. 7) 2 immune, 5 infected. M-itis is spreading far slower than expected. 8) Three men visited one house one time, while another guy was "unavailable for comment" 9) Don't forget double lynch. Who are our suspects? 10) Let's start analyzing the day posts for hints toward roles. Who's died by gunshot? Who's died by explosive? etc. 11) Infundibulum is town, I checked. I'll reveal his role only if he wants me to. 12) KtheZ has claimed insane detective. He forgot to check night 1, but found me and pandain to be mafia versions of the roles we claimed on nights 2 and 3. 13) DrH poked me last night. His final poke ;( 14) DrH is town for the first time ever, I think Updated because we know more now. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:46 kitaman27 wrote: Only if we assume KtheZ is telling the truth. Him and Pandain have been pretty pretty close so far so they are likely the same alignment. Claiming an insane role by referencing one of our only likely confirmed blues, infinitestory, would be really easy to pull off. By "pretty close," do you mean KtheZ was one of the most ardent pushers of lynching Pandain? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:01 kitaman27 wrote: Ya, that's what I assumed for the story, however we are still missing DC's second bomb. Did it not go off? DC's bombs don't go off when he commits suicide, according to the Role PM | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:03 LunarDestiny wrote: deconduo also died. Maybe a vig got him? he visited DC when DC committed suicide by explosive | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:06 Nemesis wrote: Hmm, yeah I guess it is plausible that Beneather indeed placed his doll on DrH and NB got protected. Can NB confirm if he was protected? I thought he just said he was? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer? I looked up Serial Killer on mafiascum.net, and that really worries me. However, I feel like since the +1 is stated as a Mafia KP (2+1), it's more likely a mafia doing. | ||
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1) Node, who's dying tonight? 2) Pandain, who did you check and what was the result? | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:15 Ace wrote: I'm sure it's 2+1 also but I just looked through the OP and can't find that anywhere. Where is the Mafia KP listed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=7#121 On October 29 2010 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia has 2+1KP. Bodyguards are common in mayor games in which as long as they are alive, they will protect the mayor. | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:20 Glasse wrote: Fuck sorry for a 3rd post but here's the traitor role from mafiascum: + Show Spoiler + The Traitor is a role with a pro-Mafia alignment that is not actually in the Mafia family. The Traitor knows who is in the Mafia, but the Mafia do not know who the Traitor is. The Traitor uses through his or her vote to keep the Mafia from getting lynched and wins with the Mafia. Traitors appears as 'innocent' to cops and sometimes have investigative abilities whose results will help the mafia learn who the town power roles are. But they cannot divulge that information privately until they are recruited by the Mafia, at which point they lose their investigative ability and become a mafia goon. Most times, the Mafia has to give up their night-kill in order to recruit the Traitor. If the Mafia targets the Traitor for a night-kill, then they may either kill the Traitor or recruit the Traitor depending on the mod's predetermined choice. In games where the Traitor cannot be recruited, the Traitor usually loses automatically if the "main" Mafia group is lynched or otherwise removed from the game. so he's like a mafia godfather dt with infinite vigilante hits too imba@@@@@@@ | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:21 Node wrote: If I had a direct answer, I would give it to you. I can only guess based on what I read on the day post. Judging by this, deconduo's final action was to switch NB and DocH. I've mentioned before that knowing who is going to die is a double-edged sword -- and that a bus driver role could potentially wreak havoc with it. Surprise, surprise. DocH is a much better pick to die than NB, so I'm honestly not surprised that this is the course of action the mafia took. NB, you ought to have gotten a PM if you were directly saved by a medic. At least, that's how it worked in Haunted Mafia. Did that happen? In any case, Amber[LighT] is due to die tonight. This definitely makes sense. So the new picture is: NB slated to die. Mafia targets someone + CubedIn. deconduo switches NB with DrH. DrH dies, Beneather probably with him. Unknown mafia target is either DC, Beneather, or was protted. | ||
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On November 07 2010 09:26 LunarDestiny wrote: We have double lynch for today and don't really have any good target. Why don't we fix that and start scumhunting? | ||
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On November 07 2010 12:17 youngminii wrote: Holy shit lol, I didn't even realise it was night, looks like I changed my vote to Coag a bit late. Anyway, I think it's safe to say Pandain's been supported/protected by Coag a lot more than a normal townie would have. Sorry Pandain but one of my votes goes to you. Unless you can convince me otherwise ofc. Who else is there to choose from? I remember a case on Nemesis, can we get an update on him. Also, can someone do an analysis on L? I feel as if he's been a bit weak, if we look at him as a townie. His town play is usually very, very strong (targets and analyses scum well) but as far as I can remember, that hasn't been happening this game. actually, the case on Nemesis was due to L (according to Nemesis himself anyway, and my memory agrees with that). It wasn't a particularly strong case either iirc. Remember that Pandain checked Nemesis to be town, so if Pandain is telling the truth (and it's looking like that, thanks to KtheZ), then Nemesis is town. As for L, I agree that his analysis has been weak. He firmly accused Cubed of having "more to his role" than what Cubed told us (which is a wrong accusation, judging from the revelation of Cubed's role PM) as well as putting forth a case against Nemesis, I think. I think we might also want to look at Ace for two reasons: 1) He started the Aeres bandwagon and made a post after the lynch to the effect of "If I could do that over, I would still push that lynch" I think. 2) bum's last PM to him said "If you're mafia, lynch me fast" at the end. DrH, who revealed this PM, promptly dies, although I don't know if that is necessarily relevant. | ||
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On October 29 2010 14:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So lemme get this straight. You set up a town council of five peope who role claim to you. Once elected you will immediately role claim yourself. I don't see how this works, are we supposed to trust that you're town? With all mayors we run the risk of electing a red but with your proposed town council it makes the damage ten times worse because you will know at least five blue roles (if you were mafia you could ensure no reds made it into your council in order to maxamize the number of blue roles learned). With no known dt (although I agree with the general assumption there are a couple) we have no way of confirming you are town once elected. Anyway because roles are unknown you could have one of your mafia cronies claim they checked you and you came up town (this could simultaneously clear you "dt"). I'm not saying you are mafia I just think your strategy is too dangerous right off the bat. I have no doubt a town circle will coalesce later but for now I'm sticking with either bum or pandain for mayor (still haven't made up my mind). Meapak reveals that he's not reading very well, and that (like Coag/Pandain) he doesn't trust fishball & bumatlarge because town circle. He even quotes Coag on this: On October 30 2010 03:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: After reading the thread this morning I'm going to leave my vote for Pandain. I want to feel secure with the mayor and as great as Fishball's "circle" might be, the possibility of a mafia being in that circle is to great a chance to take. I also think the mayor being able to communicate privately is a recipe for trouble, Coag says it best: If you think agreeing with Coag on this topic is reason to suspect Pandain, it can also be applied to Meapak. On October 29 2010 15:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Perhaps they are both scum and bum announced so fast so that fish had time to prepare his statement and now bum backs out since fish is ready. DrH, in a rare moment of not thinking straight, makes an unexplainable theory. Even after DrH recants it, Meapak tries to justify the theory. It seems like he's trying to maintain that line of suspicion on bum and fishball (who are now both known blues), perhaps. On October 30 2010 05:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm unvoting Pandain, I originally voted for him as a safety net in case I couldn't post. Then I decided to leave my vote with him because I felt a bandwagon was forming around Fishball and I really don't feel safe with a mayor with that much power. Now I'm unvoting Pandain because a bandwagon has formed around him in a rather suprising manner, most people are simply saying they don't want to vote for fishball therefor they are voting for Pandain. As Dr. H pointed out this is pretty suspicious. Another thing I've noticed is that of the three candidates Pandain is campaigning the least, he's even gone so far as to support Fishball. I don't know what this means but it doesn't make me confident regarding Pandain's leadership, if he wants to be mayor he should be actively promoting himself. There's plenty of time to vote for mayor so I'm going to think long and hard about this. Dr. H is looking pretty good right now but I may go back to Pandain depending on how Dr. H's candidacy changes things. Meapak here displays a very vacillative attitude toward the mayoral lynch, going back and forth. Questions this post raises: Why did he vote for Pandain rather than himself as a placeholder? He tries to avoid Pandain because he's getting a bandwagon without campaigning seriously, but check this: On October 30 2010 09:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Doc is falling into the same trap that Fishball did, they both think their roles are so important they HAVE to have the protection of mayor. In the process of campaigning they are both way to zealous and overreactive to what people say. I criticized Pandain earlier for not making a strong enough case for himself but after listening to Fish and Doc go back and forth I think I would prefer a slightly lower profile mayor. Honestly I feel the same way Ace and BrownBear do, I'd love to have one of the people who isn't actively running be the mayor. Here he says he would rather have a lesser candidate for mayor, but in the previous post, a mere 4 hours before, he said Pandain was suspicious because he wasn't campaigning much. On October 31 2010 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My suspects would be Youngminii: scummy posting Kenpachi: stealth voting And I still have this lingering suspicion of bumatlarge and fishball, this is probably me just being paranoid but I feel like they are related somehow. Also youngminii supports fishball, and bumatlarge has a bandwagon that uses the same platform pandain did (the "I'm not fishball" platform). These are probably baseless and I'm just inexperienced but... They just make me nervous. Note: this post was made before Day 1 ended, back when YM had around 1 post. He plays the "I'm a nub though, so don't take my word for it" card, and iirc from Ver's mafia XXX analysis that's a scumtell. On October 31 2010 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Shit >_>... this makes me look really stupid at best and really red at worst. This is one post that raised a huge red flag in my head. The (I think) is something that isn't so much suspicious as a particle of speech. But the fact that Meapak finds fishball's inquiry so threatening, the fact that Meapak believes others will see him red so easily, is more than odd. On November 02 2010 08:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Could someone with experience please do an analysis of youngminii? I tried to start one but it's not working out very well, I don't even know how to format the damn thing  . If anyone wants to do that I'll even link the posts that I find really scummy so you can see what has got me suspicious. Basically my points all boil down to his campaigning for an Aeres lynch, his refusal to answer our questions, his incessant arguing with/trolling of Pandain/infinitestory and his ignoring all the lynch votes for him. If you find things scummy, all you do is say why they're scummy. It's *possible*, and this is going out on a limb slightly, that Meapak wanted to see another analysis so he could find points to agree with rather than pushing the points himself. On November 03 2010 08:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm gonna take a real good look at bumatlarge right now, something feels really fishy. Oh and RIP fishball :'( I had just started to trust you. and here's his analysis: On November 03 2010 11:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler + Once this game is over I'm gonna find someone to teach me how to do analysis posts because I don't know how to quote everything I want to but I said I'd take a closer look at bumatlarge and I feel like I found some good stuff. Ive seen divine around that fucking lurker, feel free to bandwagon him. Divine voted for me as mayor This is before and after the night post. Here are some theories also. Rolebloker targetted Dr.H we assume, right? Dr.H is immune to M-rus. Mafia has a now dead PD. I think mafia is very conservative in their actions for fear of the virus. Which makes me think that town is likely to have a virus spreading role if they found some unprecedented infected. I suggest a medic considers dr. h as a target, since he is immune and becoming a clearer townie day by day. Maybe he hasn't been paying attention but Doc is definetly not a clearer townie And would it be selfish or scummy to ask for that vaccine if it hasnt already been dished out? Role Fishing maybe? He makes a list of players and their actions but it's not really anything new, it feels like he's scum trying to act like town. He posts a lot of small, rather irelevent posts that make him look active but are actually pretty substanceless. Investigate me all the way, but i suggest if we have a PD to make sure i dont start spreading AIDS everywhere. My power lets me have a permanent mason relationship with someone the rest of the game. They dont know who else I add each day, and they cannot PM anyone but me. So if im red, i can distort everything to hell. But if I start spreading misinformation, I'd like to think that the people I choose would be smart enough to catch it. And even if M-rus works that it immediately contracts to the person who visits, and then contracts to the person who visits them, I cannot contract it, because I can do it at the start of each day, so people who protect and investigate me are under no danger unless I am plagued. If I am immune, I cannot contract it when I add people, so I feel like a worthy candidate of having a PD vaccinate me. Is this his power? Why haven't we heard more about it? It's been long enough for him to use it. He makes a couple apologies for being inactive I think it's safe to say you are claiming plague doctor, and the person you protect gets notified that you did this? That could be convenient. I do find it possible that mafia could have there own plague doctor, but Im not here to speculate that. If you use your power on me, and I can add you, we can start a circle. To verify it, you would give me one bodyguard who I would relay all of the information I learn. A medic can protect me if they wish, without fearing M-rus. If there is another plague doctor besides Dr.H (if that is what you are) Id suggst picking fishball, who has stated he has means to a circle and a role. That way another medic can choose between myself and fishball to protect. Whats really important is that the medics are safe in this from the M-rus, and if fishball or I die from a lucky shot by mafia, then oh well, fishball or myself die. Is this plausible Dr. H? If so, then you have my vote. Here's his reason for voting for our dear mayor. I did not withdraw my candidacy, I merely stated that fishball's plan was similar to mine, and if alot of the town thought him the better candidate I would not have a problem, but after reading into it and stating my opinions, I still want to be mayor, because 1) I know Im town, and will work in every way possible to make everything clear to everyone on what is happening. 2) I can make bodyguards in my circle! 100% confirmed townies, so if im poisoned or lynched, I can pass on all my info to them. How you will verify them though, might be a tad confusing. I hope to figure that out, and Im open to ideas. 3) I WONT FUCK IT UP. (Fairly sure fishball wont either if he isnt red) Again, Im fairly certain it should be between fishball and I, because we can make circles happen, and he has stated that he has the power to flesh out the weeds of his. I'd like for him to address connecting circles through me, that would be cool. I need to catch up now, I was working. Also, if a person is contaminated with M-rus in the night, and they are visited that same night, do the visitors contract it? This is very important, because if medics protect him, we need to know how the M-rus functions. Someone help me out, what does he mean by this post? He can make body guards? I am not in Fishball's circle. I have an ability to form a town circle of my choosing. I already choose my first person. I don't have any other role, but I can easily access any circle already made if they are pro town. I don't have anything to hide now, and I guarantee everything I do will have crystal clear reasons as to why. The only thing I will not tell you is who. I believe my method will work slower then fishball, but it will be more effective later on. It's not all that dangerous if I am not mayor, but it can be really strong if I am mayor. I dont think anyone aside from fishball has hinted that they can do this. It should be between me and him. Here's where he first talks about his role, a role easily faked by scum (like fishballs but fishball was proved innocent and I think that makes it even more likely the bum is lying). SHIT I have to go but I'm gonna post this anyway... I'll be back. That's not a very strong analysis, like others pointed out. He reaffirms not reading well (he doesn't know about bum's ability and still doesn't trust this.) Also, he thinks mafia can fake this role easily for some reason. That's very confusing, seeing as it's a fairly unique role. There's really not much here. On November 03 2010 13:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yes my analysis is extremely flawed so it'll be the last time I attempt it. However I feel like I have raised some good points, why is doc townier every day, why haven't you and doc discussed your new circle, at the very least we could give you medic protection if we could confirm it. To be honest, this is fair. On November 04 2010 15:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hot damn that took a lot of catching up, I like the idea of using DCs bombs so I'm going to vote for pandain. Over all it looks like we're heading in the right direction. I'll try to be more active tomorrow, I notice I'm on a couple of shit lists and I want to prove otherwise... although posting more may not help my one attempt at contribution didn't go well.You're on shit lists? Since when? A couple people said they might check your posts iirc. That doesn't mean you're even a suspect. But the fact that you think you're a suspect is, like I said before, unusual. On November 06 2010 08:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wtf just happened? I thought we were all going to vote for pandain? I get on this morning and everything's cool then I get back on and bam last minute voting. At least we got a mafia. Are we going to lynch pandain tomorrow? Did ANYONE get considerably more townie with this lynch? "At least we got a mafia"? Were we not going to get one by lynching Pandain, you think? Also, what do you mean if anyone got considerably more townie with the lynch? Overall, Meapak hasn't been reading closely, is suspicious of the wrong things, and is way too paranoid that others will consider him red. If you read Ver's XXX post-game analysis, that last one was one big flag Misder raised that the town missed on Day 1 (too worried about making himself look town before there is much reason to suspect him). I was reading Assassin in the Palace, and judging from that game, Meapak doesn't really think 1 step ahead. In that game, Meapak is almost certainly town/bodyguard, but he's a much more confident townie, and advances his own plans (bad as they may be?). | ||
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On November 07 2010 14:47 Veldril wrote: I'm considering Hyperbola as a first candidate for the lynch tonight because of Dr.H's analysis. This is especially true that Dr.H is confirmed to tell the truth the whole time. I still not so sure about lynching Pandain at this point. Lynching him would give us a lot of information if he turns out to be blue. At least it would show that he told the truth. However, the drawback is also very big since we would lose someone who could confirm alignments of each player. One thing I'm curious is about Kenpachi's power. He claimed that his power will be activated if we lynched a mafia, which we did. If it's possible, I would like to know a little bit more about it. You're wrong on that last point. he has to vote for the mafia who is lynched for it to work. Also, to those who are looking for a better candidate than Hyperbola, please read and consider my analysis on Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote: Can anyone enlighten me as to what the paranoid DT is? a DT that always gets results that the target is mafia | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:06 kitaman27 wrote: Or he could also not be a DT at all and has conveniently checked the two people who have claimed. this is a possibility as well | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:51 NB wrote: hold on... my daily pm did mention something about medication.... but it is not really clear @_@ and yes, my role receive a stupid daily pm :D anyway: there are 5 people has murrayities=> i assume mafia could spread 3->2 people per day => half of us will die on the next day by murrayities... => please consider that before you want to vote for double lynch... actually, that was a mistake: 4 people have it, 3 are immune (iirc) but yeah, murrayitis looks like it'll probably hit tomorrow | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:28 NB wrote: ##Vote Hyperbola ##Vote Pandain i follow town's orders :D do not bandwagon especially after I said look at Meapak if you intend to vote Hyperbola based on "nobody better" >__> | ||
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On November 07 2010 16:46 youngminii wrote: ebwop: unless WE conclusively have a good person to lynch. that said, still waiting on pandain's role check. pandain said he found veldril safe | ||
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On November 08 2010 01:24 Amber[LighT] wrote: Oh and I'm curious as to what I did to get targeted. I don't think I've pushed too many buttons this game. The only players I really were cautious of were: -YM (I'm convinced he's pro-town) -DrH (Dead pro-town) -Decuondo (Dead mafia) -Hyperbola (Apathetic AFKer) -Pandain (I voted for him initially, and sorta challenged his med protection list) the kill that node predicts daily seems to be RNG'd, so it's nothing on your part | ||
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On November 08 2010 02:15 infinitestory wrote: the kill that node predicts daily seems to be RNG'd, so it's nothing on your part ebwop: wait, why don't you know that already? | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:01 Kenpachi wrote: Then roleclaim to defend yourself instead of saying that you have no defense Not necessarily. Only if you think it'll help your defense. >__> | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:21 LunarDestiny wrote: People listen. Don't lynch Pandain to tell KtheZ if he is sane or not. KtheZ claims he role ability tells him both alignment and role of a targeted person. In Pandain's case, we do not need to know his alignment. KtheZ told us that Pandain's role is indeed trash collector. A role, which he claims, has the ability to tell alignment. That role is useless for the mafia. The logical reasons for lynching Pandain are if we suspect that: 1) Kthez is lying 2) Pandain role is Trash Collector, but telling alignment is NOT his ability. (Can anyone find a mafia game which the role trash collector is used?) Because Trash Collector is useless for the mafia, it makes it the perfect role for a mafia to claim >_____> also perhaps of note is that KtheZ said he checked Pandain to be Garbage Collector rather than Trash Collector, which Pandain says he is. Not sure how much that means though (it could be anything from the mods using different wording to KtheZ totally lying about his role) | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:30 LunarDestiny wrote: Wait, what role Pandain claimed and what role KtheZ said he checked? pandain says he's trash collector, kthez says he got pandain as mafia garbage collector | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'll role claim because it's the only thing I have left at this point. I am the Veteran Granny, I can survive a hit but "doctors keep pushing me around", so if a doctor visits me, they will die. I'm guessing this refers to plague doctors so if I was to be infected I couldn't be healed. ok holy shit, i don't think there's any way to make that up | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: THIS IS THE EXACT SHIT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOLY FUCK DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION OF MADE UP IS? WHAT THE FUCK? Yes, and please don't shout. | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote: The Pandain situation is the most important. His alignment gives us so much information about others' alignment: KtheZ because he checked Pandain role to be TRASH COLLECTOR. Veldril because he was checked to be town by Pandain. Nemesis because he was checked to be town by Pandain. Lynching lurkers is a hit or miss to me. But you can giving reason why that lurker is likely to be mafia, then it is much better than lynching random people or random lurkers. because several other mafia so far have been on the edge of lurking? Divinek hardly posted at all and Coag and deconduo bordered on it by posting not very often | ||
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On November 08 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote: The Pandain situation is the most important. His alignment gives us so much information about others' alignment: KtheZ because he checked Pandain role to be TRASH COLLECTOR. Veldril because he was checked to be town by Pandain. Nemesis because he was checked to be town by Pandain. Lynching lurkers is a hit or miss to me. But you can giving reason why that lurker is likely to be mafia, then it is much better than lynching random people or random lurkers. actually, knowing pandain's alignment doesn't tell us anything about KtheZ because KtheZ conveniently revealed that he checked pandain and me AFTER we roleclaimed | ||
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On November 08 2010 04:29 Pandain wrote: Also we lynched a mafia, I'm wondering about Kenpachi's "superpowers"... he didn't vote coag, so his powers didn't activate | ||
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On November 08 2010 04:34 Pandain wrote: *facepalm* We had a 100% mafia, and you didn't vote for him.... Infinite, who did you check again. infundibulum is town i won't reveal his role unless he allows me to, though | ||
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On November 08 2010 04:53 Infundibulum wrote: It doesn't really matter, because my role doesn't do a whole lot. I haven't even used it this game :p We'll keep it secret then. Perhaps we can use it to verify KtheZ or something like that. | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:46 kitaman27 wrote: It all makes sense now. He isn't an Ace, he's the Joker! :o grats on zealot | ||
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On November 08 2010 06:48 LunarDestiny wrote: Infinitestory, do you know my next icon is and what post count? This icon of mine (I think it is a devourer), looks like shit. idk, but if i had to guess i'd say ultralisk or guardian | ||
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Also, if you're getting your information from mafiascum.net, his claim is more similar to the Role Cop variation of DT than Tracker or Watcher. | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:13 Nemesis wrote: Hmm well the thing is Ace if he is found to be lying, then there is no way he can talk his way out of it next day phase. But I guess it doesn't matter whether we lynch you or him to find out whether he's lying or not. But the roles which doesn't work exactly compared to a standard mafia game have slightly different names from those of standard mafia role names like "ADD Doctor", so now that you pointed it out, it does seem suspicious. Well kitaman, as a chance to defend yourself, who else did you visit the previous nights? he said infun and amber, in that order kitaman, do you know what, if anything, infundibulum did on night 1? | ||
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recap of what just happened: 1) someone claims investigative role 2) investigator claims he found a mafia 3) that suspect says the investigator is a mafia because the role name is wrong 4) people are now more inclined to believe the mafia suspect | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:23 Nemesis wrote: Well can infindibulum and AmberLight confirm that they both did not leave their house during the respective days they were visited? Which days were who visited? i just confirmed infun did not leave his house, based on my knowledge of infun's role amber also just confirmed he did not leave his house night 2 | ||
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this is the first time i have ever had to quote something just 6 posts above to prove that it exists | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:27 Ace wrote: If I was involved in the killings last night then who did I kill? If you are a Watcher role with some new kind of description then why don't you have the name of the player I targeted?. i think you answered your own question there we can't assume he's a standard watcher/tracker/whatever, so does he know who the target is? how can we ask him for something which he's not guaranteed to know? how can we make an argument when he doesn't know it? | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:49 L wrote: Basically Pandain was trending downwards, and Meapak/Hyperbola were headed upwards, prior to a bunch of people chain voting Ace. Meapak and Hyperbola both still haven't really made any solid thread presence since the fire's been off their tail. NB, were you told a medic protected you? I remember an answer, but I can't find the post anymore. Kinda seems important. he said he didn't receive a PM, but then he claimed his role gave him a daily PM and that PM included "something about medication" | ||
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On November 08 2010 08:49 L wrote: Basically Pandain was trending downwards, and Meapak/Hyperbola were headed upwards, prior to a bunch of people chain voting Ace. Meapak and Hyperbola both still haven't really made any solid thread presence since the fire's been off their tail. NB, were you told a medic protected you? I remember an answer, but I can't find the post anymore. Kinda seems important. as for meapak's thread presence since I did my analysis on him, he claimed some Veteran Granny, who can take a hit but will kill any doctor that prots | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote: Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something. Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. As for this, a sudden bandwagon on Ace wouldn't save the player with the highest vote count. It would save the player with the second highest vote count. Who had the second highest vote count before kitaman's announcement? oshi- >_> | ||
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wait, are you talking about kitaman's role or Cubed's role here? | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:02 annul wrote: HEY GUYS irc.efnet.org #wolf for some mafia ASAP games, gogo tonight right now sorry for the hijack, GL my insane mafia team ;D ty | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:10 youngminii wrote: scum lose a KP if we lynch one today which is why it's so important that we do does that mean it would be worth it to lynch both kitaman and Ace? >_____> | ||
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On November 08 2010 10:11 Pandain wrote: [/b]And what you're saying is to lynch AN INVESTIGATIVE ROLE your claim of investigative role is hardly more believable than kitaman's | ||
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i don't buy a kitaman lynch enough. | ||
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On November 08 2010 12:12 Nemesis wrote: Infinitestory I'm just wondering who did you check the previous days? No need to reveal their roles. conveniently, i have returned from dinner in time to answer this night 1, i checked annul, found bullet bill & bodyguard. PM included flavor text of me having fun playing on the tire swing night 2, i checked coagulation, found mafia retard. night 3, i checked infundibulum, role name will be withheld since he's still alive and town | ||
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On November 08 2010 13:50 youngminii wrote: Oh right, so instead of helping the town's vote, you waste your vote and let the mafia have a greater stake in the vote? Right now there are 5 mafia votes influencing the vote and 14 towns trying to avoid lynching town. By you not voting, you're giving the mafia more relative voting power since now there are only 13 serious town votes. Repeat for every person that does that shit and we have a dead town. This is stupidly scummy play. I hope you get lynched, if you don't there's seriously something wrong going on here. if he's abstaining from a vote while being scum, that helps us even more, and so be it then impulsive shit like this got our cruiseship captain killed | ||
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On November 08 2010 14:17 KtheZ wrote: Also, I'm still fishing around for someone to vote for, so youngminii could you elaborate as to why kitaman is "obvious"? did you miss the several pages long discussion on kitaman's watcher/tracker/whatever role name incongruency? | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:09 kitaman27 wrote: Wait, so are you confirming that you were involved in a hit last night? i think we have a winner here | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:20 Ace wrote: I wasn't involved in a Mafia hit. You should read all the pages of this discussion. His claim doesn't reflect any role and doesn't fit with any of the other roles in the game. If it does then prove me wrong. hits last night: DrH (bussed by deconduo, likely swapped with NB) Cubed (roleblocked while protting self, killed) Beneather (confirmed to have had his voodoo doll on DrH) DCLXVI (confirmed to have died due to role, selfdestructed) deconduo (confirmed to have died due to DC's selfdestruct) so you were involved in the hit of either DrH or Cubed? Why the hell? If you were one of the guys mentioned in the day post, that means you either carried out a hit yourself or were the guy roleblocking Cubed. Since there is no reason to roleblock a confirmed medic, and DrH was confirmed 100% townie just before, I have to assume you decided to hit Cubed. But that doesn't make sense either. Were you somehow involved in a killing in a way not mentioned in the Day post? The possibilities dwindle, and so does the likelihood of you being town. btw this now means that every inspection that kitaman made has been correct, even if his role name is weird. | ||
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wow wtf | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. Either he has Watcher/Tracker and can tell me who I was with last night or he has DT powers which wouldn't be able to tell him where I was. If he has DT powers AND Tracker/Watcher powers then why can't he answer the simple question of who the other person was? It's not adding up. You're making assumptions. Nowhere has he said he can even figure out who the other person was. There's no reason to assume he will have exactly the role of a tracker OR exactly the role of a watcher, etc. Just because he can track someone like a tracker doesn't mean he can find the target like one, especially since the role appears to be named differently. | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:37 Ace wrote: I could have sworn I was the one who pushed the idea of duo being bombed by DC. Correct? Why would I out myself when I didn't have to? I don't have role blocking powers though. That would mean I role blocked Dr.H Night 1 when I wanted to know if he was legit. That doesn't make sense now does it? Ok, that part of your story certainly fits together. but wait, you acted on DrH night 1? or am i misinterpreting | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:42 Ace wrote: no no no. I didn't act on Dr.H. I was saying if I was a roleblocker, why would I role block Dr.H when I wanted him to prove his role. righty-o mmk that makes sense, but riddle me this now: kitaman now has 2 correct and confirmed investigations to his credit (i'm discarding the one in infundibulum): one on amber and one on you. How would a mafia know about this? Neither amber nor you claimed anything about your roles before he made his investigations public. even assuming kita is lying about his role, that doesn't explain how he has access to the knowledge of how deconduo died, same with amber not doing anything night 2. im starting to think that ace is some sort of supervigi and kita is some really oddly named actionchecker >______> | ||
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On November 08 2010 15:50 L wrote: I suggest you look at 666's hatter role and the last Day post before assuming Decuondo wasn't hit. Seems pretty clear that 666's bombs did not go off and that he killed himself. we never said 666 blew deconduo with a bomb, in fact we clarified several times that his bombs never went off at all ace said (untruthfully, it seems o_O) that deconduo probably died in 666's suicide bomb | ||
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So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore) | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wait... If kitaman is telling the truth doesn't that make Ace scum? I don't see how you can have it both ways. kitaman tells the truth: infun did not leave house, amber did not leave house, ace carried out a hit ace tells the truth: carried out the hit on deconduo that's how you can have it both ways | ||
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no reason to keep going back and forth trying to prove the other one is redder or some shit like that | ||
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On November 08 2010 16:42 Ace wrote: Easy for you to say when you don't have a bunch of votes next to your name this is true, brb | ||
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also, if pandain is cleared by kthez, i'm heavily inclined to trust his check on nemesis as well | ||
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On November 09 2010 11:03 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess pandain is safe ;x.. your so misleading pandain D: so who are the main suspects now? Ace? cant be me because that doesnt make any sense.. Why would it make sense if i were to vote lynch a mafia to my benefit when its not my benefit? I would have voted for Coag regardless of DrH and DC's plan to lynch pandain first no? now if you suspect that if my powers activated if i lynched a townie DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO YOU? wait, who the fuck suspected you? | ||
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On November 09 2010 16:31 flamewheel wrote: Holy shit what the fuck 187 pages? you can't possibly imagine the shitfests it took to get this far | ||
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Also, we have a LOT of investigative role information, and Node's oracling is giving us some good insights too. I think very soon (if not tomorrow), we'll be able to start catching mafia simply by process of elimination. We definitely need to keep that in mind as the blue:red ratio dwindles by the day. | ||
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On November 09 2010 18:07 infinitestory wrote: ^First off, definitely agree with RoL, we've had a shitton of roleclaims and I'm having to look for inconsistencies to figure out which ones are fake. >_______> Also, we have a LOT of investigative role information, and Node's oracling is giving us some good insights too. I think very soon (if not tomorrow), we'll be able to start catching mafia simply by process of elimination. We definitely need to keep that in mind as the blue : red ratio dwindles by the day. ebwop because smiley | ||
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On November 09 2010 18:23 youngminii wrote: wait wtf HOW DID PANDAIN NOT GET LYNCHED? some weird shit happened and pandain made a bandwagon on the innocent DT who confirmed him while a completely unjustified bandwagon formed around hyperbola | ||
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if you want to burn a lynch vote, put it on yourself | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:01 LunarDestiny wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.granitegrok.com/pix/precious.jpg) Precious was my kill, Ace. Don't ever take precious away from me. WTF | ||
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for emphasis: WTF | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:08 Glasse wrote: i hope i'm not infected (it tells you if you are infected right?) no i know i wasn't infected yesterday because drh poked me :D but i still think the mafia are hitting me | ||
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but are you in fact a 3rd party that has a different win condition than "all mafia dead" | ||
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but do you have to kill the town to win | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:24 infinitestory wrote: that's all well and good but do you have to kill the town to win ebwop: judging from the fact that you're aiming at mafia with those night KP, i doubt it, but just to be sure | ||
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so we can't be sure they actually win with town >__> | ||
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also, if you stay alive until the game is over, does the town still win or do you guys take 1st place | ||
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oh i missed this somehow, gj | ||
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so town should attempt to cooperate with Glasse and Lunar | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:30 Glasse wrote: i think i tried very hard to make people fucking vote for ace you have all failed to hear my hidden message i'm sorry | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:31 LunarDestiny wrote: That's right people. You didn't believe a guy who sweared on behave of his dick i think that may have been because he swore on his dick | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:32 kitaman27 wrote: You were spouting nonsense the entire game. Why not come out and actually disprove him? because then they probably have to reveal a lot of information, which could lead to both of them dying tonight and they would have to argue against ace, and i think you know better than anyone how that feels | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:35 LSB wrote:  oh shit | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:37 Glasse wrote: personal satisfaction > victory thank god for personal satisfaction o_O | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:38 LSB wrote: You do agree he fits his role very well right? (Assuming that they aren't lying) yes | ||
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TONIGHT WAS AN EXCELLENT NIGHT! | ||
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On November 10 2010 08:53 kitaman27 wrote: Good luck town. Watch out for Artanis[Xp]'s pro-mafia role names :p l0l does this mean ace owes you money | ||
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On November 11 2010 15:56 youngminii wrote: I'M A CORSAIR BITCHES you've been a corsair for a couple days now | ||
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the entire LD vs L shitfest boils down to: LunarD: hey i wanna side with town, everyone cool with taht? L: NO UR LYING THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN WIN IS IF YOU SIDE WITH MAFIA... (what kind of right-minded townie would try to argue to a 3rd party that their only chance of winning is to side with mafia?) and watch this, he's not even right about that: if you had lynched Kenpachi and L, then Pandain hit by 3rd party at night, the town would have won come day because NB would have killed Node, also causing his own death. the town was pretty indecisive, a recurring theme... since they spread their votes so epically, the mafia could have basically all claimed right before the lynch and still put the 2nd kill (besides kenpachi) on whoever they wanted anyway... it's no wonder Nemesis died instead of Pandain or L, and that sealed it. congratulations mafia, it came down to the very end indeed... can't wait to see awards | ||
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next post is 1000 so im thinking about saving it for something edit: although admittedly like 500 of my posts hav been in mafia forum | ||
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On November 12 2010 14:17 LSB wrote: I know this game was awesome. But can we just calm down and be friends? ps I'm going to miss you blue font Thanks for hosting ossum game! btw, I asked in jest for a check on Coag night 1... did that really have no bearing on me checking him night 2? If so, LOL lucks | ||
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actually wait that was your fault > | ||
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On November 12 2010 15:25 flamewheel wrote: Actually I normally don't rage anyway but yeah raging is silly it just lets people own you harder and then you start typing run-on sentences ending with trivial statements about kittens. Wait what? wow, that's pretty meta o_O | ||
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On November 14 2010 10:01 annul wrote: wait what who won? mafia? edit: son of a bitch fuck town who doesnt kill pandain =( Yes | ||
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