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If yes, then sign me up please. Thanks. | ||
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Ok. But why no clues? What will Townies do day one?  Either way. /in please. | ||
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Where do you think we should start and how? | ||
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See, I only played haunted before, so I'm only getting used to the basics, but this one seems pretty crazy, so what guarantee is that we elect a good mayor with little to no information about him/her? Also, do we know of anyone who is definitely blue? | ||
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*giggles* | ||
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Can we worry about the more pressing issue? Meaning, who dies in the day1 lynching? | ||
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1. Even if he is Mafia, it's not as horrible as you make it out to be. Just always watch him with a degree of suspicion. Yes, he's less vulnerable to night kills, sure, but that doesn't matter if he's mafia. He's still just as vulnerable to lynching, correct? (but yes, I agree, lynching the mayor is not a great move for the town) 2. His role: there's all this discussion about it, but we don't even know the role list. It could be true, or not, but let's pretend it's not, and he's mafia. Why not make up a better role? He certainly has the imagination for it. Why would he claim THIS kind of role when he could make up everything else? 3. Experience. Yes, there are chances of him being mafia, and that could lead to a lot of manipulation, but we should always suspect that, and if we see that his planted ideas go nowhere, then we know who to turn against. If he ISN'T mafia, then he'll be of great value as mayor. Just my two cents. | ||
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I decided to roleclaim on day1, on someone I'd trust most. Since it was too confusing, I then decided to roleclaim after the mayor was picked, whoever it may be. I am a doctor. However, the Mafia knows this. Here is why: I was given the choice of the red pill or the blue pill. If I took the the red pill I would become a doctor, but the mafia is told of my role. If I took the blue pill, I would become a normal townie. I am allowed to protect myself as a doctor. So, if you were mafia, then you would already know this. If you're not, well I think I could be of help, but since Mafia knows of my role, I will try to protect myself as much as possible (denying a hit will be just as good as denying some other kill imo, unless we're sure the mafia honed in on a very important blue). Also, I was thinking that since I'll be protecting myself during night one, I suggest that Dr.H poked me with his stick to see what happens. If I got infected, I can cure myself, if not, you can tell that I'm blue, (assuming nobody is infected yet) and you can tell what happens when you poke people with minimal risk. This would also give some faith in you being what you claim you are, since the mafia vote was pretty suspicious (i'm thinking there could be more than one mafia do-gooder). But I'm not demanding that DrH pokes me, it was just a suggestion. Cheers! | ||
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Duh. :D | ||
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Also, if I tell the town it would cause a lot of chaos, just like everyone did when they claimed. I would've much rather claim to someone who can at least partially confirm that I'm not red (like Dr.H). I hope that I won't be modkilled though, it was an honest mistake, and was rectified almost immediately. -_- | ||
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So, regarding youngminii, there are a few options: a) He has a role that allows him to hide from lynching once or twice or many times - most likely. b) He has a role that allows him to dodge the mayor's lynch (and thus has to be voted by the townies) - less likely, but possible, just like everything else. c) He is mafia and can only be lynched if he's the last one standing (just like the do-gooder had the vote revoked if there was only 1 mafia left) - i know that this is a long shot. d) There is a randomness factor in the game (obviously portrayed by the host) that causes lynches to miss (once, twice, all the time - lol) e) Dr.H has a role that causes his lynching votes to count for someone else - very unlikely, but it could also be a hidden feature of the mayor's extra vote. This would also count as d) since it's basically a random factor. So yeah, I suggest we wait and see what the mafia do before acting upon this. If youngminii's role was to avoid DEATH once, and he's not Mafia, then he can also be killed tonight by the mob, as he's a sure blue (though, i remember a mention as how everyone has roles, so I guess that doesn't make much sense). | ||
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I can't way to see what sh*t goes down in night one. | ||
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On November 01 2010 05:18 Fishball wrote: Just a wee bit if info, in case something does happen to me. - One of the remaining members have already role claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well. - The other member have not replied to me yet, and does not know of my role. He also does not know of the member's role who have role claimed to me. - It is possible that there is still one more Mafia in this circle (if both of them are Mafia, then it doesn't really matter...), especially if one of them die (not me, as I'm already out in the open), unless Mafia just got "lucky" and hit one of them. Regardless, if this case happens, I will have to come forward and announce who is the remaining member and go forth with the investigation. Did everyone miss this post? What the hell does "claimed to me, and I have informed him of my role as well." mean? By PM? | ||
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And yeah I have been trying to follow but there's SO MUCH SPAM and wrecking havok. I go out for 3 hours, I come back to 10 pages. That's too much. | ||
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On November 01 2010 07:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: Haunted was worse with the Time: Posts ratio... It does seem like there are a bunch of people missing very key events though. I don't feel so. It's been one night, one day here, and there are almost 50% of the posts that were in Haunted mafia (in total, it's ~1370 to ~2820). So yeah. And I might have skimmed over the discussion, but since I wasn't aware of the NO PM rule (see my mistake early in night1) it must've just felt "normal" to me, just a bunch of people arguing. And you'll see what I mean as spam when 6 ppl reply the same thing to my question. Not saying that I don't like activity, but I read every single post in haunted, and with this I feel overwhelmed. I'll try to keep up. | ||
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So now, most of the game revolves around DrH. If he manages to lynch a red tonight, we can be pretty sure he's townie. Either way, the Mafia can either - go for him, since he's the mayor and one bodyguard is dead - not go for him, since if he lynches townies and we get a few more of these incriminating posts, the townies might turn against him eventually. My main concern is that we really don't know if we should trust DrH or not. I was hoping on his poke revealing something, but he got (conveniently) role-blocked. We should have some form of trust going on, but there's nothing of the kind. I just hope some sort of Mafia dies, or we're gonna be sinking fast. | ||
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How exactly is the town supposed to fight back? Assuming that the mafia know about all their members, then it's quite easy to dispose of the town, due to the uncertainty that is dominating this game. The town has no clues, no faith in anyone at all (not even mods), no possibility of PMing, what are we left with? Talks in the thread which do nothing but help Mafia pick their targets more easily. They have gone for veterans first (easy to kill ones, not the mayor or confirmed doctors), and all they have to do is sit back and try to divert attention during the votes. I think that the town got stripped of way too many things at once (clues, ok, but PMs as welll?, having faith in mods or their own roles?!), and if mafia don't have their own back-firing mechanics, then it's safe to say that the town is pretty much screwed. | ||
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On November 01 2010 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up. Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes. Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker. Sure, you're the one who posted that you got role-blocked. You were supposed to poke me (you said so, if I recall correctly), which would have somewhat confirmed both our roles. You chose not to (and it's fair, you play the game however you want), and now nothing happened, but we're supposed to just believe that you actually DID something, but had no result. Why? And yes, since you are the mayor, you have the most influence over the town, and not just because of the double vote. You wanted this, you are now the leader, it's basically your responsibility to hone in on Mafia. That's the way I see it, at least. Mayor doesn't only come with perks. It's only normal that if you lynch townies, people will start to think you're red. Also: "He found that his door got duct taped over so he couldn't get out. Luckly for him, he wouldn't have arrived at the right's person's home (some idiot kidnapped the people). As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy." Why exactly are you assuming that it's either YOU got role-blocked or he's clean? Why can't it be that special actions on one guy (like jcarl) just won't work. I get the "door duct taped so he couldn't get out" but the rest of the text doesn't look like the other people got role-blocked. And in the end he's out of the house anyway, it doesn't make much sense. | ||
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I never said you said "for sure" that you got role-blocked, but you're the one that said that you could have had been role-blocked (god, English, stop being so twisted). So naturally, it made me suspicious. Of all the people that I want to be sure of, you're the most important. I was hoping to be able to role-check you SOMEHOW (not necessarily by poking me), and if we can't, it's frustrating. Even more so that we can't actually believe ANYTHING that's happening or anything that anyone says (even though they might believe it themselves). So put all that together with the fact that we still no nothing about our mayor during day 2, makes me itch. I want something that I can be at least semi-confident in, in this insane game. I'm sorry if it seems like rage towards you, but as I said, I have most suspicion and most faith going towards you. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because jcarlsoniv hasn't posted yet. Until he posts I can't make ANY conclusions about whether or not I may have been roleblocked or not. You said "you posted that you got roleblocked", not that "You posted that you might have been roleblocked". Is that what you meant? Because if thats what you meant thats what you should have said. What I meant by "putting a lot on me" is "implying I said things that I didn't say and drawing conclusions from my posts that I never came to in the first place". I understand what you're saying, but to me it makes no difference. If you are blue, then you really don't know if you got role-blocked or not, and neither do we, and we'll find out eventually. If you are red, then you could just imply that you could've been role-blocked (you don't need to say "oh I was surely role-blocked" when "umm, i think i may have been" will do just as well), and have the same outcome. So I understand you being annoyed for me trying to put words in your mouth, but in fact, I just meant that you're either trustworthy (and you really have no idea), or untrustworthy (and you can state/imply/hint at) whatever you want to draw suspicion away. I never elaborated on the fact that you knew you were role-blocked or not, I just said that (were you red), it would've been mighty convenient. I think that's the part of my original post that got misunderstood. | ||
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On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote: I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Damn it! So. We can tell almost for sure that we have role-blockers (3 ppl claimed that they might've been, + the night 1 comments with the door sticky-icky). Is there any way that we can turn this into something that can help the town? Any way that we can uncover a few blues at once so we can have some solid ground? I seriously think that if we don't get a trust circle going soon, town will get horribly raped (and also lose the insane mafia game). And with that, and being further confused by this game, I shall go sleep. See you in 10 hours or so. | ||
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To everyone who passes by, please read this post. It's the best I can do to contribute. Events - DrH failed to prove himself, not the most horrible thing that could happen but pretty bad. - Unless he pokes someone, and THAT someone is uninfected AND gets a message that he has been poked by Dr.H we cannot confirm that he's blue. If mr.sticky is contaminating people, then we're not going to be able to figure out if dr.H is blue or not. But if he can just "check" blues for contamination, then we can assume that he is (since, supposedly, Mafia already knows who is infected and who is not). Does everyone agree to this so far? Does anyone have a better idea of outing Dr.H? The only hole in this, is that if sticky infects, and that person just gets a message of "hi you've been poked" and we all think it's ok when in fact that person is infected (and was not infected before hand). Do people even know if they're infected? - Aeres lied his butt off, and caused a lot of chaos. I don't really care if it was a bad play or not, since it didn't help the town at all. Sure, someone else claimed bodyguard, but it's Insane mafia, you can't do something like that and then argue that you were trying to draw hits. And you can't guarantee that by PMing someone you trust because there are no PMs. So don't screw this game over from day1 one like that. You might be a townie with a heart of gold, but I'll probably vote for you today. I don't want shit-storms like this happening again, we're gonna hit 100 pages in day 2 ffs. Solution I was thinking about this last night when I went to sleep. What does the town have, as a weapon, to fight the mafia? No PMs, No circle of trust, no clues. Then what? Basically, all we have is numbers, in my opinion. We can do a calculated sweep if enough people stop spamming, WIFOM, ifs, buts, maybes, etc. All we have to do is say what we think (like Ace did, regarding aeres) and see what comes out of it. If we don't try to get some REASON in here, we're dead. It's as easy as that. I know a lot of you will not care and keep causing chaos, but it's really NOT helping the town. We know of some blue roles (even though we can't confirm them), maybe some others will come up as well (no, I'm not asking people to role-claim). But we can be sure of one thing: Not everyone is going to lie. So if we base our decisions on majorities rather than on what ONE person said, we could get something going. I hope this is understood, please feel free to ask me to explain whatever parts of this post. | ||
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On November 01 2010 22:52 Fishball wrote: I haven't said much yet, but I might as well clarify it here. I don't buy it. Seems like some players are misunderstanding this scenario. We can only prove DH's role ability, but that does not necessarily make him "blue" or town. Mafia can very well have this "Sticky" role too. The only way we can confirm DH's alignment, is if we can prove his poking ability, to prove he is not God Father, and have an alignment DT, if this role exist, check him. Did you understand what I mean though? If we can prove that he is able to poke people, AND not infect them, then it's quite positive that he's blue. Why? Because Mafia would not need a player who can "test" if people are infected, since they control the infection and already KNOW who is infected and who is not. It's really simple. | ||
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Silence, swindler! No, but seriously, a whole day has passed and I'm nowhere near trusting anyone in this game. What the hell is going on? I don't think that any amount of detective work will clear this up. All we have to do is be honest and try to figure it out logically. There's no way that we'll come up with a good route to win this by casting blame every 3 posts. I'm willing to trust Dr.H (heck, I voted for him) for today. It's not like we have much to do other than vote anyway. So, mayor of ours, what are your honest thoughts about who to lynch, and why. So far, my thoughts are: Aeres - For lying (not gonna buy that village idiot thing, there are better ways of getting lynched) Gleese - For being hella annoying (let's all participate in a quick game of kick the cat!) - though I wouldn't vote for him, because he's pushing too hard. And that's about it. I don't think I'd vote for anyone else as of now. Not that it matters much, you people will keep causing chaos. | ||
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On November 02 2010 11:27 Ace wrote: Cubed is allegedly a medic. He's doing the RebirthofLegend thing and self-protting though. Yes, but it's only been one night, and Mafia knows for sure if I am a medic or not. Also, I was under the impression that DrH would poke me, and that would both prove his role/mine, and I would not get infected if his stick was indeed causing the infection as well. I might not self-protect if I see someone who seems like a reasonable target. But I will most likely follow my own instincts, as this thread is 75% base on "what if"s "maybe"s and "let's assume". I don't like that. What I do like is that we have a stronger PM circle with people who role-claimed. This isn't directly helpful to the town, but it's better than what we have right now (nothing). So I'll probably bandwaggon Fish's votes for the time being, if nothing better comes along. Also, I'll probably follow Dr.H's votes as well, since he seems to at least try to base his statements on reason rather then double/triple assumptions that lead to the possibility of maybe having a chance of a probable suspect. I'm starting to believe more and more that the town will only have chances to win if a lot of people role-claim. But then again this could also lead to more confusing based on what the roles would be. So I'm pretty much screwed in my voting pick. | ||
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On November 02 2010 21:00 jcarlsoniv wrote: Dude... Oh really now? I'm interested. I think I may have missed when you claimed as medic. How does the Mafia know for sure if you are or not? I claimed about 7 hours into night 1, after DrH was elected. I had to choose between being a normal townie or being a doctor but the mafia being informed of my role. The role's name is Neo. | ||
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Why? Because your opinion in an admin post, carefully concealed, would have given it extra weight. It's your choice to disclose, and I'm fine with it, but you would have been in a much stronger position if you had hidden it. Of course, it would depend on how good a player you are. If your ideas were wrong, you would've hurt the town a lot, but if they were on mark, then it would've been that more awesome. Either way, the only reason why I'm not 100% convinced I should vote for Aeres is that he MIGHT be some sort of village idiot. Lying, confessing, voting for himself, being accused of having voted for himself -> Village Idiot? cause him of reversing his vote right away... I don't know, it just reeks like Village Idiot bad play to me. But the thing is, Mafia won't go for him, since he's causing too much havoc anyway, so if we don't lynch him I guess we'll never know. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:10 L wrote: You're holding someone back, because as far as it stands right now, its never the right choice to pick townie. Obviously. The only up in being townie is nobody knowing your role, and being able to claim whatever the heck you want, I guess. But believe it or not, those were my only two options. In fact, it was clearly specified "Take the blue pill, and you become a normal townie." Nothing more, nothing less. | ||
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I picked doctor, that's why I roleclaimed straight away. No use in just the mafia knowing what I am. | ||
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I guess the thing with role-claiming is that it's quite an unique, cool role, and now that we know what it is, it lost all its charm.  | ||
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Basically, I'm a "goto" target each night, and if I want to live, I need to self-protect myself a lot. Thus making my role almost useless. I don't see why you think anyone else (other than the mayor/bodyguards, maybe) would make a better target than a 100% confirmed by mods doctor. IMO, by role-claiming, I just leveled the playing field a bit. | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:29 deconduo wrote: I think L's point is that no one would have any reason to pick normal townie, so why were you given the choice if it isn't really a choice. Ask Artanis. :D | ||
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On November 03 2010 02:31 Infundibulum wrote: His point is that even though the mafia knowing you're a doctor is a negative, it's still strictly superior to being a straight vanilla townie in pretty much every possible scenario. Therefore, L says, there must be some kind of catch. On the other hand Artanis/LSB could have just screwed up and not realized that one choice was better than the other, but that's not something I'd readily assume. Speculating, I'd say that most people in my position would pick doctor and then would have to role-claim (no use in only Mafia knowing of the role, right?). So, in a game with no PMs, the roleclaim would have to be done to everyone, leading to this kind of discussions, causing more chaos. I was expecting something like this to happen, but there's really not much I can do or say to prove I'm right (other than going to protect whoever you want me to, and getting killed by the mafia, so you'll have your proof in the mod post). @ Glasse, you don't understand, posts like that would make the Mafia suspect they can't trust everyone in their team. You could use it to turn mafia against each other, if worded properly, and implying that there's some sort of role that could cause a back-stab kill in the Mafia ranks. Of course, it's a long shot, but it's better than not doing anything at all. And what part WASN'T from you? | ||
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On November 03 2010 03:00 Infundibulum wrote: That doesn't make sense. So the only you thing you sent was "Be careful, he's red." ?? it doesn't make any sense out of context without the first sentence Glasse: "What i said was Be careful, DrH is red. Did not mention anything about a sticky situation" | ||
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As I said, I can't do much to prove it. You can have your doubts, but unless you think that I'm red, this argument is leading nowhere. Even if I HAD other abilities or there was more to my role, I wouldn't go "oh right, not that you mention it... ", would I? So why do we keep going on these steep slopes to nowhere-land? You'll see if I was lying or not when I die, it's as simple as that, but unless you think I could hurt the town, the argument is pointless. I'm not even going to discuss the "Maybe you spread m-rus or some shit" accusation, as a doctor who spreads disease is less logical than anything I said in this thread. | ||
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On November 03 2010 03:55 L wrote: Because they don't go to nowhere land. They see if you're bullshitting about your role, and thusfar you've only made my suspicions deeper. We just saw a doctor that had a chance to kill his prot target. If spreading the virus because you are an unsanitary doctor or something is far fetched, I'd imagine killing your target is even more crazy, right? So far you're standing out like a sore thumb. You only reply in the thread when people comment about your roleclaim and your roleclaim itself is messed up. You even say right here that even if you had other abilities you'd actively mislead the town about them, which makes me wonder why you bothered to hide them. If you had something legitimate to hide, it would be as simple as saying "yes, there are other strings attached, but I don't want mafia to know what they are". Your reaction here is hyper defensive too; you admit something looks weird, then you get angry when people talk about it. So yeah, stuff STILL isn't adding up. Its not necessarily your fault, because like I said before its possible that your role can be manipulated by another role. First of all, get your facts straight. I admit I haven't posted a lot, but that's because 80% of this thread is assumptions, maybes, ifs, and general bullshit caused by people like you. As I said, you can have your doubts, you can believe me or not, but you're doing absolutely 0 good by arguing with me. Feel free not to believe me, but getting from that (not just a regular townie) to this (infecting people, trying to mislead the town, etc) is a big step. And I've not only posted when people talk about my role, I posted A LOT of times (do a search, it's quite easy using TL's search function, you can see all my posts in this thread) complaining about people who only rely on maybes, instead of trying to rely on the few things in this game that COULD be facts. Let's say I lie. There's a 50-50% chance that I am, correct? That still leaves 50% that I'm telling the truth. Now are you gonna base your play on a 50% shot of me not lying, or on the very-off-chance that all the story you practically invented over the past two pages is somehow true? Which is more likely? I've been begging for reason since this game started, since we have nothing else to go on, but it seems that some people would do anything to cause chaos, wild theories, and to throw stuff off-track. I'm not saying you're mafia, but you're going through a lot of trouble to cause chaos in my opinion. So let me sum-it-up: I'm being defensive, but I'm just trying to hold this thing on it's rails. I agree with you not believing I'm telling the truth, but don't go so far as to make up stories. Just try to reason instead of derailing. Just assume I'm something else, or red, or whatever, but try and stop there, since you can't possibly know what everyone's role is, and since we don't even have a role list, you're only causing chaos. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:39 L wrote: Way over the top on the defensive, bro. I did check your post history, in the past 30 pages its pretty much all reaction. What chaos am i creating? I stated your role doesn't make sense. I didn't say its your fault. If it isn't you that's holding back info, mafia can probably fuck with you. And that's some kinda crazy wild theory? Sorry, this offensive defense doesn't cut it. Voted for you. Yeah, I was thinking that you might vote and try to start a bandwagon shortly after I posted that. You stated my role doesn't make sense. I begged to differ, other players did as well, and that's when you started to theorize. Not just once, but you came up with many different reasons why I would be lying, all of which are based on roles that exists in your mind alone, as far as we know. That's where the wild theories are. Please remember this, your logic and where it came from, when my role will be revealed (either by death, end of game etc.). If nothing else sticks to you from this game, then let it just be this: You'd rather make up a whole imaginary scenario in your mind, and rely your game-plan on that, rather than give someone the benefit of a doubt. Back to Pan's post, it really made me think. Apart from the Dr.H accusation, which I'm not going to comment on just yet, you got me thinking. You said that if everyone were to role-claim, mafia would just start sniping people. Which is partly true, of course, but it got me thinking: As I said before, the town has only numbers going for it. No clues, no PMs, no nothing. How will important blues make their decisions? Based on what? If there's no organization at all, there's no way that the randomness of individuals will overcome the organized efforts of x people who are Mafia. They might as well start offing people alphabetically, since there's basically no chance of the town uncovering ALL of them judging by the way the game has been going. | ||
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On November 03 2010 04:47 Pandain wrote: I hate scum. Now can we please change from Aeres to Dr. H, Aeres barely has anything on him besides the fact he lied, and plainly I don't see why he would lie if mafia. What tangible gain would there be besides possibly having medics protect other people? But we know that didn't happen because mafia didn't take advantage of that and end up shooting the bodyguards/dsxcii(since they would know aeres was fake) and dr. h. Sorry, but LAL policy does not work if the lie itself does not make sense from a mafia perspective. While I agree with this posts, and some of the points you made, I disagree that lynching our mayor on day2 is a smart idea. Can we at least give him one more night? Maybe he'll make something of his role, he'll get some sort of confirmation, etc. He is one of the FEW who has claimed, so he should be easier to confirm/bury than the rest, don't you agree? It just seems unreasonable for me to lynch the mayor after one day of ruling, that is all. Please let me know what we have to lose if we give him one more night/day to perhaps clear his name? | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:12 Pandain wrote: 1.If there is a roleblocker, they'll just keep on roleblocking him. 2.If there's not(or if he is mafia), then he can just continue to claim he is/claim the other person is lying. He's claimed like, two different things that he says his role can do, but says they can't now. And I also disagree that just because he's mayor we shouldn't lynch him, on the contrary, mafia having two votes is a bane for the town. If, if, if IF! I don't see how everyone can be so oblivious to how transparent Dr. H has been. IF he's telling the truth, then he'll never be able to confirm it since mafia will keep roleblocking him. The only way we could get him to confirm is if mafia does not have roleblocker and Jcarl lied, but I find that highly unlikely. And I disagree with Dr. H being lynched not telling us about other people. It gives us insight about YM and Aeres, and in addition we can't lynch YM(I'm pretty sure he has a role which means he can't be lynched.) I know it doesn't apply to this game necessarily, but in other games you could not role-block the same person twice, correct? So this would be the night he COULD clear his name. As for 2. You are correct, but he odds of him poking a Mafia are rather small, so if he does claim that said person is lying, then it would be his misfortune. | ||
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On November 03 2010 05:39 L wrote: Cube, feel free to read my posts. I made no 'gameplan' based on imaginary stuff. I said your role seems fishy. I asked if you were hiding something. You said no, but that even if you were, you wouldn't tell me anything (lol wut, why bother saying that?). I pressed you again because of how much you were slipping up. You then went batshit crazy. Normally I'd expect a newer town player to react like that, but you've been around the block more than once so you know better. This is the second time you overtly mischaracterize my posts. Last time someone went out of their way to do that it was Ace and he was mafia, so get your shit straight. Additionally this defense has been almost entirely composed of "I don't agree" with no rationale behind it. If other people agree that you're fishy, they can feel free to vote for you. It can't be worse than voting out Aeres to die when the entire argument group is probably town on town rape melee. You do realize that I have no fear of being voted for with less than 4 hours left. There's no way I'd get majority that fast, with this little evidence. I'm just asking you to remember this moment when roles will be revealed. I didn't go crazy, I got angry because these kind of posts are the ones that I stood up against from day one. And the fact that you don't care about the simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" and choose to go based on your own theories (doesn't really matter if they were wild or reasonable). That's what makes me irk. And this whole "he's being super defensive so he must be mafia" is pretty much bull, and very "WIFOM", and pretty much encourages lurking, but oh well. | ||
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I'm quite curious if he's village idiot, actually. It would end this game in a funny way, which to me, is better than dying slowly to mafia. But honestly, his play was hurtful to the town, that's a fact. Lynching him will discourage lies, that's also a fact. We have no SMARTER choice, at least in my opinion. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:12 L wrote: Its not a simple coinflip of "is he lying or not" its a question of how likely mods were to include a role which makes no sense, and why it wasn't just "you're a doc, maf are told who you are n1". Its also a question regarding how you reacted to it. "is he lying or not" is going to be a question that we need to ask whenever anyone says anything. Period. The more outlandish the claim, the more we're going to ask the question. In your case, I can't see a mod cooking up that role, so I fully expect that: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. And no, he's being super defensive isn't bull. Look at the first posts I made. I outlined some possibilities and said it was odd. You're the one that rolled in and vastly exaggerated the amount of suspicion that was on you, then acted scummy like whoa. The cherry on the cake here is the statement that you aren't worried about getting voted out despite having been hyper-defensive for pages. Either you've got a voting block to pad you via fishball or mafia, or you've got a split personality. No, you just don't seem to understand me. I'm not being defensive because I fear death. Because that would prove my claim and incriminate you (since you went, are still going to great lengths to make your point). I'm being defensive because I don't think you're mafia, and I think your theories are hurting the town, making you a bad player in this case (because I agreed to some of your other posts, so I'm not saying you're a bad player in general). Here, let me add one to your list: 1) you're flat out lying 2) you're hiding something because you're worried mafia could exploit a part of your role 3) there's some kind of third party that interacts with your choices. 4) you're telling the truth, and i've pretty much insulted the mods for coming up with this "dumb" role Are you even considering that one? Do you have at least a 20% shadow of a doubt in your mind that you might just be wrong with this one? | ||
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I wanted to role-claim to the one person I was most sure of being blue, and hopefully get a trust circle going. Also, you're forgetting that you said you could confirm your role and mine in night 1. That would've helped a bit, no?  | ||
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Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy. And since most of you are so fond of ifs and maybes, here's a question for you: If you were Mafia, how would you act towards my role-claim? Both you (Dr.H) and L. Is the answer "Exactly like we did so far, so that the town will get rid of you and we don't have to waste a role-blocker and a hit for one person"? Just asking. | ||
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Not focusing blame on reds, is pretty hurtful to the town. Playing based on intuition and "this role can't possibly exist in insane mafia", is hurtful to the town. And yeah, with players like you in the front lines, the Mafia has a STRONG chance of winning. I've been saying this for a long time now, it's no news. In fact, the more you assure me that you're confident in your guess, the more I look forward to dying due to your accusations, just to see how you're gonna backpedal your way out of that one. You're probably going to blame mods for creating this dumb role, and say that your reasoning was foolproof, but it's not your fault that my role was this crappy. Good luck with that! | ||
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You asked me to stop posting, but I want you to really get involved in this, so if what I say turns out to be right, then you will have a LOT harder time of clearing your name. I don't mind being lynched, but you're not getting away with being just an instigator. I want you to be sort-of the hangman, so that I'm not being lynched in vain. That is, of course, if you can get enough people to believe in your argument which relies mostly on "your role is too dumb to be true". | ||
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I don't advise people protecting me, since I'll most likely self-protect until I see someone worth protecting. Unless you think Mafia will waste both role-block and a kill point on me, in which case, I wouldn't mind. @ kita Lol. It was the red pill. Red = Doctor, Blue = Townie. | ||
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On November 03 2010 06:57 L wrote: I'm super disappointed that I need to take off, but don't be too Romanian while i'm gone, cube. If your English is making you say dumb stuff, proof read before posting. Otherwise: toodles. WTF does that mean. I know I made some mistakes but I can't edit my post. However, I doubt I've gone so far as to be "misunderstood" due to my English. Besides, I'm pretty sure my English is far better than your Romanian. | ||
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On November 03 2010 07:00 L wrote: If you volunteer yourself to die to show your colour, its pretty obvious I'll be heavily implicated, which is fantastic because if you're not lying and are just intensely inept, you'll have gotten 2 blues killed, then 6 from mafia, and i'm pretty sure if we have 3 infections per day that we'll be a day away from m-rus popping. Add in modkills and the game's done. Don't see why a townie would be jonesing for the opportunity to lose the game, but whatever, you don't seem to think too much before posting. And away I go. Oh I see, so people seemed to not join your wagon based on "Role too dumb" and all of a sudden you are accepting the POSSIBILITY of me being blue ("you have gotten 2 blues killed")? Well MY MY, HOW ODD. And I'm not happy about losing the game, but I've been trying to get people to go for more earth-bound reasons for 80 pages now, in vain. What's the point of trying to make sense if most seem to be happy with randomness. I'll just play my role how I see fit, as everyone will, independently, with no centralization. Hey, maybe we'll get lucky. P.S.: with this latest turn-around I'm up to 40% sure that you are reddish, L. A few more suspicious actions and you'll have my vote. | ||
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So end of day 2 is in 15 minutes? | ||
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Please refer to my initial post, so as to not claim that I 'changed my story' or anything like that. | ||
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Can mod PM him before kill please? :-S He really has been active. | ||
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Fishball was the one person that I actually trusted in this game. | ||
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The town's strongest weapon: PM circle just got torn. Usually, you can rely your decisions on clues, PMs, people's votes, reactions etc. Now you mostly have to trust your instincts and the way they argue, and it got to be a very crude guessing game for the town. There is little to no doubt in my mind that the town will get seriously steamrolled in this game. Even if the most obvious suspects ARE red, the few remaining + the disease will make sure to clear it out. But that's just my two cents. The night is coming. Brace yourself. | ||
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On November 03 2010 08:13 LunarDestiny wrote: Fishball's PM network is NOT now dead You guys can talk in encrypted messages using "Fishball's last PM network message" as the encryption code. Or you guys might not want to expose yourself as being in the circle. Yes but the mod stated: "Players in it may no longer PM eachother.", so they could, but it would be against the rules. | ||
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I'm not saying he's not red, but since he's mayor, we should take him with a grain of salt. I suggest that during day 3 we come up with 2-3 alternatives to the main lynch, because today, most people voted for Aeres due to lack of reasonable alternatives. Agreed? | ||
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On November 03 2010 09:41 Nemesis wrote: Hmm actually I suggest to CubedIn to protect DCLXVI, because that would confirm his role + he can tell us if DCLXVI was actually hit as he is the only known medic at this point. Yeah that sounds good and all, as long as someone protects me. I don't really care for DCL THAT much at this point, honestly. Maybe if he'd post more often.. | ||
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Also, true what Coag said, Glasse hasn't been what you'd call "helpful" so far. Most of your posts make me want to be mean to animals and such. | ||
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On November 03 2010 10:58 Nemesis wrote: Don't forget that by doing this you will most likely confirm your role too. It will confirm my role if mafia kills me while I'm protecting someone else. Other than that, there's no 100% confirmation. There could be more than one doctor, we could over-protect him. Let me explain a few facts which make this decision a bad one: 1. Trying to convince a blue to do do something is a bad thing. I got your point, you think he should be protected, I will consider it. But under no circumstance will I say "ok i'll do that" right here, because then the Mafia will know that I'm unprotected. You can suggest that someone protects him, and I assure you that doctors will read that post. But don't go out of your way to convince one particular doctor (me) to do it, because that draws very unwanted attention from the mafia. 2. Since mafia knows my role, I need to be protected by someone when I go out. Like everyone else around, I'd like to keep playing this game. You can see that already some people aren't very fond me of me (like L). They might be doctors, and since we don't know how many they are in total, it's very risky for me to protect anyone but myself, because then I'd be risking a lot, unless someone else will protect me. And if they're willing to, why not just protect the guy I'm going for in the first place? 3. We should protect people who matter. We don't even know for sure if 666 can be saved. He hasn't been of much help so far, actually caused quite a bit of confusion. I need to be sure that if I risk sacrificing myself for him, he matters more than I do. And right now, honestly, I don't. To tell you the truth, I was going to protect Fishball tonight, as I trusted him most out of the blues, and since he's part of the PM circle, the Mafia might have wanted him dead. But now that he's gone, I don't have such strong feelings about anyone else in the game. So, as a bottom line, I guess most important thing is not to go overboard with convincing a specific person to defend x player. The suggestion will do. | ||
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On November 03 2010 19:14 Ace wrote: Not being able to PM is standard Mafia. PMing is weak and kills the game. Learn how to scumhunt, thx. Right, you seem to be doing a might good job. Please point us to the next innocent bystander that looks odd to you. | ||
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Besides, what's he gonna do? Lynch me as well to prove me right? | ||
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I fail to see how I'm more to blame, since my vote didn't change anything, but your posts started it. Either way, it's not about blame, it's about hypocrisy, if you wish. You shouldn't act high-and-mighty after you don' gon' goofed. Also, I like how you're playing the "i'm only 1 vote" after you admitted causing the band-wagon, and saying that you would "gladly do it again". Very smart play, I must say. Excuse me for not being scared of you. | ||
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On November 03 2010 22:20 Ace wrote: Yea, I'd gladly lynch a guy caught in multiple lies. No insane bus driver claims are going to fly around here. Sounds like you just wanna play a sheep and act like you had no part in the guy's death. If my arguments convinced you then why are you so upset that I'd gladly do it again. Surely you must have agreed with something right? Right. So let's just ignore the part of my posts in which I say that I don't give a fuck who's blame it was, and keep pushing on that. Maybe people will overlook the fact that it's still HYPOCRITICAL to tell people to "learn to scumhunt" when you just did a swing-and-miss. And no, your arguments didn't have anything to do with it. I voted because he lied, and there was no better alternative. I don't really care whose fault it is he got lynched, but you acting like everyone is a noob after you basically posted "yeah, i was wrong, but i'd do the same thing again", seems dumb. But maybe that's just me! | ||
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But good luck with the attempts to annoy me, maybe I'll slip and claim mafia, DUN DUN DUUUUN. | ||
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On November 03 2010 22:48 Ace wrote: It was directed at whoever took offense to it, guess we know who that was. But hey, no one accused you of being Scum. Why so touchy Cubicle? Because I never liked hypocrisy. I thought you'd understand that from the 5 posts in which I explained it, but I guess 6th time's a charm? | ||
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Also, if the roles are unique then the mafia lost the possibility of curing their own, which is quite cool for the town. | ||
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1. L That's about it. And I'm only like 40% sure of him too, so yeah. | ||
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But it's still more than I feel about everyone else in this game. Also, shouldn't we keep an eye on the lurkers here. I didn't really count but I'm preeetty sure that there are at least 5-10 people who are voting but not really bothering to post much. You said I was inactive in Haunted Mafia, but these guys are way less active than I was and nobody's forcing them to take a stand. | ||
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Why? 1. If I do, I'll be left open, so another medic would have to protect me -> useless strategy. 2. If there are medics out there who are NOT known by the mafia, they can probably protect without risking much. So yeah, in case medics do read this, feel free to protect him. I'll keep pondering if there's someone I value more than myself. | ||
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Left open = not protecting self. So yeah, that's what I meant. If I vow to protect 666 to "prove my role" or something, then I might as well hang myself. So it's more useful to promise NOT to, so that medics won't stack-up on him. As for the last part, it's up to me if I value some other player enough to risk dying in order to protect him. And I don't agree with you on that last statement. A dead medic is a dead medic. | ||
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So, it's really not that big of a deal anyway, assuming there's more than one medic left. | ||
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I obviously pissed off the wrong people. Also, it seems that there were only 2 kills. This means that 666 was saved. Good job there. What I suggest: Double lynch today. Take care of the lurkers. | ||
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Also: "Some looney tried to force his way into a house, but this attempt failed. The man himself was out of town for the night." Could also mean that 666 IS the cruise captain (would make more sense due to the 2+1 kp and we knowing that 666 will die). So he just went away for the night. No? | ||
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1. A note from the admin. But it would be pointless, because I didn't take the blue pill. 2. A mafia being able to influence the Radio as well. It would make sense, half Glasse, half Mafia. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Glasse did not write the part about the blue pill? CubEdIn did you lie about the blue pill? Be honest dude. I gave out all the information and ONLY the information that was given to me by admin. If there's another thing to the blue role, I do not know about it. However, isn't that pointless? I took the RED pill. Does it even matter what the blue pill did? Why would an admin write about the blue pill if I claimed I took the red? | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:34 Glasse wrote: I'm gonna guess the loony thing is a mod error as artanis did not post the day 2 post. Nice guess. Guess me 2 mafias. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:39 deconduo wrote: Out of curiosity, were you on DC last night Cube? No. I was on Dr.H. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:41 Hyperbola wrote: I don't think this is the case. Otherwise Glasse would have said something. Anyone else thinks it's kinda weird that DCLXVI would have a "leave town role" like Aeres and potentially youngminii? Either that or Node is BSing us. Glasse may not know that the other half is Mafia. And I doubt that the mods are putting things there because the original post says "there will be no clues.". So yeah. | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:42 deconduo wrote: Awesome, that means we probably have another medic. Or that DC was out of town. Which frankly, seems more likely to me, since he was 90% sure he'd get targeted. And the Day post says that someone WAS out of town. @ Dr.H fair enough, but why does it speak about the blue pill when I claimed I took the red then? | ||
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All I'm saying is that it reeks of a Mafia stir-up-shit attempt, so even if you don't believe me, then believe that the mafia may have rights to the loony radio. | ||
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Mafia retard could mean that he risks not killing his victim at night, or that he has to post something revealing about his allies. It's most certainly a handicapped role. Why do we only have 1 lynch again? Can we not vote for a double? | ||
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On November 04 2010 08:55 infinitestory wrote: oh wait if DC is a CC as well, that actually makes a ton of sense 1) he told us not to prot him 2) someone left town, as the day post suggests. that someone is definitely not Aeres this time. perhaps of note is that someone else tried to break into the town-leaver's house. I've said that twice already. Is anyone reading my posts? :D | ||
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Though this doesn't really clear either of them. They can both be mafia and just making stuff up. My guess. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote: Confirm, short message too. Something like I was poked by DrH. Also, it seems that Node's ability is not actually foreseeing a person's death but somehow knowing where a mafia hit going to go at the start of the day. Given that there is two deaths and mafia's kill power is 2+1, that "+1" should be the hit that Node is "foreseeing." Damn you ninja. Also, yes, I was gonna ask node about this, how exactly are you foreseeing (i remember you are oracle, right? but i forget the exact mechanics), and when exactly are you informed of the person who will be targeted? | ||
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There, he flipped blue, so it might be that he just doesn't really care much. Also, I saw him with the temp-ban icon recently, and so I found this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=424#8486 So he should be unbanned now, but he was out this entire night. Don't know if that means anything though. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:45 Node wrote: I am informed of a person that is going to die at the beginning of every day via mod PM. Because of this, I believe the person is chosen randomly, as I can't see the mafia choosing someone ahead of time, especially on the first day. Maybe first day was random, and then they have to pick 1 day ahead. (they = mafia) Either way, please read this people: On November 04 2010 09:29 Kenpachi wrote: after all, im just a teenager. This is a standard handicap role, also known as "the warewolf" where one person has to say a world at least once a day. I don't see why else he would post that, but I'll go check previous days. I am worried because as far as I know, this role is red usually. But I could be wrong. Help me out here. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:49 CubEdIn wrote: Maybe first day was random, and then they have to pick 1 day ahead. (they = mafia) Either way, please read this people: On November 04 2010 09:29 Kenpachi wrote: after all, im just a teenager. This is a standard handicap role, also known as "the warewolf" where one person has to say a world at least once a day. I don't see why else he would post that, but I'll go check previous days. I am worried because as far as I know, this role is red usually. But I could be wrong. Help me out here. Seems that I am wrong, I didn't find but 5 posts of his, and he doesn't say it in either. So unless I suck at searching, I'm sorry. However, please keep an eye open for the word teenager, if it comes up again. It just sounded really odd to me. | ||
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On November 04 2010 09:55 infinitestory wrote: information source? I can't find it on mafiascum.net it's also not true, since the word "teenager" has only been posted once in the thread Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game) Do a search for "teenage warewolf". I thought it triggered something, this is why. But it seems I am wrong. | ||
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"Alternatively, it may be a standard role with a particular constraint, such as the teenage werewolf, who must say the word "werewolf" at least once each day." | ||
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"take it with a grain of salt" means using your brain while doing said action, not just take it "at face value", as it seems, but put a little thought into it. It's like saying "use your own reasoning". But in this context he seems to mean "i'll still think about it before making a decision". | ||
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The sooner we lynch mafias, the sooner we drop their KP. Just move your bomb, if you have one that is. Good to know we have another doctor then. Also I rofled @ coag's defense and woke up my gf. "REALLY POWERFUL ability"... i'll post it later once I get the chance to make one up. Voted! | ||
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Albeit a long shot, Glasse could be mafia. Why? - We don't really know his role - We know that he's part of Radio Loony, but he claims he doesn't control "all of it", just the non-instigating parts? How convenient. - His voting pattern is strange (keeping his vote on DrH, could be related to his role) - He very rarely posts useful things Maybe he doesn't control Loony altogether, but is there a way we can check this? Perhaps give him something to say and see what comes up, but I guess that would be useless since if someone else is controlling it as well, they will see it and play along to cast-away suspicion. My only real issue with Glasse is that he didn't role-claim properly. He gave us bits and pieces. First the cat, then, after a while, he decided to let us know that he didn't write all of it. (Why not tell us from the beginning?), then he told us he has a character count he must stick to, then he told us that c.count is 75. Why not just share all this information from the beginning? Can anyone brainstorm a way for us to see exactly how the mechanics behind the Radio work? | ||
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Don't say anything and see what happens. Or keep it down to one word like "meow" or whatever. | ||
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I'm saying you might be red due to the fact that you haven't (and still aren't) giving us full information about your role and the exact mechanics behind it. Maybe it's something we can exploit. Also due to your voting pattern. Heck, you might have some sort of wacky handicap of having to vote for your team mate, and you could both be reds! As I said, it's a very long shot, but I cannot convince myself that you're blue given the circumstances, and the way that you claimed, and the fact that there are enticing comments in the radio posts. | ||
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I was just saying it looks odd. Oh, wait, there is one thing: Can you not say anything at all in the Loony Radio thing? I'm asking both if it is possible and if you are willing to. It might tell us more about the mechanics. | ||
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That would be interesting, but make sure you don't get modkilled or anything for not playing your role. | ||
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I got a lot of ideas going on at the moment, but 90% of them revolve around whether or not Coagulation flips red. | ||
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On November 05 2010 07:23 youngminii wrote: In case I'm not understanding what's going on properly: DCL claimed Mad Hatter and has a bomb on Coag. Town is lynching Coag. Isn't this a bit counterintuitive? Why are we not lynching the next best target (Pandain)? I'm all for having Coag killed but that does screw over one of the bombs, assuming DCL isn't fakeclaiming. By the way, the internet at my home got cut and isn't coming back up for over a week, I'll try to be as active as possible though. Because with 2 mafia dead, we might have a shot of dropping KP tonight if we lynch a 100% confirmed. Besides, not to be a finger-pointer, but we're not exactly 100% sure that DC isn't lying to give Coag one more day on this earth. | ||
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Please explain in more detail why I should change to Pandain. Here is why I'm thinking I shouldn't. We are more sure that Coag is red then we are of Pandain. We are guessing Pandain is so due to behavior (both his and Coag's). We pretty much know that Coag is due to the DT, the way he reacted (I got a really cool role guys but you see, ummm, wait, i'll have to think about it a bit.), etc. Why should I vote for someone that I'm only ..say.. 75% sure of (Pan) when I can vote for someone that I'm 95% sure of (Coag) ?? The second the DT post was made, Coag was doomed. Mafia knew that as well as we did. The fact that you're thinking that they're letting him die and not Pandain BECAUSE Pand has a better role, seems silly. Also, for a kind-of wild card reason: Look at the vote lists. Assume that coag is red, and that pandain is a coinflip (humor me, for this, so there are 5-6 mafia left). Now look at the vote lists. Which of them seems more stacked with Mafia? Based on your own judgement of what happened so far, your own instincts and what not. To me, Pandain's list seems more stacked with people I don't trust 100% (Hyperbola, Beneather, Youngminii, Meapak_Ziphh). Although I don't trust them mostly because of lurking, I can't help but consider the possibility that Pandain is telling the truth and the mafia wants coag to live an extra day. I agree, the chance of Pandain NOT being mafia are LOWER then the chances of him being mafia. But we're like, 95% sure that Coag IS mafia. Why give him another day? Can't we give Pandain another day instead? Please feel free to convince me otherwise, I'll gladly change my vote if a good argument is made. P.S.: I do not really trust 666 due to his shifty play so far, plus, even if he's telling the truth he could (and probably will) be roleblocked, so I'm not gonna trust him 100% for a red's death, sorry. | ||
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On November 06 2010 00:32 kitaman27 wrote: I think the main reason people feel we should lynch Pandain first is that it gives us more information to use in the upcoming double lynch. If he pops blue then we go after those who pushed his lynch, if he pops red then we go after those he is associated with. Even though we know Coag is probably red, he has been much quieter. There is also the fact that DC claims to have a bomb on Coag and a possible townie so if we lynch Coag, one of his bombs has the change of being wasted. That being said, I'm keeping my vote on Coag, as he is more of a sure thing and I haven't seen enough evidence against Pandain to convince me he is scum. Yeah I didn't really think of that. But it's starting to be WIFOM. If you're arguing that if he flips blue, you're going after who pushed him, why would the mafia push him? Sure, some might, but the ones that are fairly confident that they can't be uncovered afterwards. I don't know, it still seems fairly random to me. I don't like it, I'm keeping my vote on the sure thing, for now. @ Glasse: Day 3 ends in 7h15m. | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:32 kitaman27 wrote: #Vote Coagulation #Vote Double Lynch And he's listed as still having to vote. | ||
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Sorry for not being able to debate this any further, but I still think that Coag is the safe road. | ||
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Sup guys. Guess I made it back in time. Should I change my vote? :D | ||
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If you flip blue, people will question it anyway. | ||
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I'm pretty sure that some actions in this night will be helpful to decide who to lynch in our double-kill tonight. I shall go sleep now. | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:24 DCLXVI wrote: Wow so DocH says: "I.S. is my #1 suspect" --why? "Wait, let me read through his posts to find out" He faked his role by offering up another mafia teammate, sure. The way someone becomes #1 suspect is to find mafia. What is this shit? I thought about this while I went to sleep last night. It's possible that IS is red, and he totally made up his role. There's nothing to prove otherwise, other than the fact that he gave us a mafia to lynch. However, Coag didn't have a very useful role. Not totally useless, but not very useful either. So think about the following investigations. He could just say that he randomly DTed X, Y, Z (on separate days ofc) and they are all townies (while in fact, they being mafia), and if we started believing him now, we'll be in deep trouble if he manages to protect his allies. That being said though, it's kind-of a long shot, and I wouldn't go as far as to vote for him to be lynched. Not even close. The main down-sides of his plan? It takes a bit long, and he can't cover the person who's being targeted by the town, because it would seem obvious. So, given that there are 6 mafia left, assuming that he's one of them, he would still need at least 5 nights to cover all of them. If we use double-lynch again, that means we'll have killed 6 to 7 people. Again, maybe mafia did this because people were starting to zone in on the members and they needed a way out, the possibilities are endless, but let's just take it with a grain of salt and see what happens next before we go say that he's "the #1 suspect", and risk causing a bandwagon on him. I mean, what if he lucks out and gets another red tonight? Do we still lynch him? | ||
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Also, @ Nemesis' "I.S. can prove his role to us by telling us the "role" of one blue in the game and they can confirm that, but not what they can do." If he were red, he could just tell us that a fellow mafia is blue, and that fellow mafia would go "yeah he's right, I am -random role-". Both confirmed = win? It's a fairly easy role to fake, but I don't think he faked it. But we'll see as the game moves on. | ||
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I get your point, but if we go by what you say, then his role would be pointless because we can't trust him when he confirms townies. No? | ||
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Dumb role they said. Mods would never put such role in the game they said Well at least a mafia died. Enjoy the rest of the game guys, I'll be watching. | ||
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