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On November 03 2010 13:09 bumatlarge wrote:
It seems you are a bit confused as to the reasons why I would be scummy at all. And Dr. H is in my circle. So is one other that I wont disclose.
I was under the assumption that you could only invite one person per night and there has only been one set of resolved night actions so far, unless the invitation process takes place during the day?
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On November 04 2010 04:15 deconduo wrote:
Went through the list of people, and these are the names that I feel are lurking:
Hyperbola
infundibulum
Kenpachi
KtheZ
Lexpar
kitaman27
Just pointing out that we have the same number of posts in the thread :p
In regards to the issue of using a medic on 666, I think the chance of a bomber is worth the risk. If it works then we take away a mafia kill and/or Node's role is confirmed to some extent and if you get bombed then hopefully at worst its one extra death in return for the death of a mafia and not having to worry about the bomber anymore (if it even exists). That is assuming 2 medics don't double up on 666, which will be hard to coordinate unless they have pm powers. There is always the chance of a m-rus attack, but that might be less likely if 666 is already set to die.
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I'm not sure I understand your logic.
On November 04 2010 04:41 CubEdIn wrote:
1. If I do, I'll be left open, so another medic would have to protect me -> useless strategy.
Aren't you already left open? You say the mafia already knows your identity after-all. Unless you are claiming you plan to protect yourself, which would be a poor claim as the mafia would then not bother targeting you with a kp.
2. If there are medics out there who are NOT known by the mafia, they can probably protect without risking much.
At the same time, it would be more risky for a unknown medic to risk a bomber than a public one.
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I didn't realize CubEdIn was a confirmed townie?
Also, it was his post that revealed the extra information in the first place.
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On November 04 2010 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
a trap ain't a trap if you explain it first eh
Nor is a trap a trap if laid by friend rather than foe.
What Dr.H said, but I'll just clarify my post:
Left open = not protecting self. So yeah, that's what I meant. If I vow to protect 666 to "prove my role" or something, then I might as well hang myself. So it's more useful to promise NOT to, so that medics won't stack-up on him.
Ya I didn't really intend for you to respond to my original post, I just didn't see why you would commit either way.
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On November 04 2010 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i agree with you about bum, there is no reason a medic should announce their plans to the town/mafia and idk how i feel about kitaman27 criticising him for not explaining exactly what he was thinking
Nope, pretty sure that didn't happen. I never put him at fault for not explaining his actions. Although, that is the second time you have tried to place blame upon me.
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On November 04 2010 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 07:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i agree with you about bum, there is no reason a medic should announce their plans to the town/mafia and idk how i feel about kitaman27 criticising him for not explaining exactly what he was thinking Nope, pretty sure that didn't happen. I never put him at fault for not explaining his actions. Although, that is the second time you have tried to place blame upon me.
And to be clear, I never asked for a medic to announce their plans either.
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On November 04 2010 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Alright, here's an assignment. We're gonna analyse all the posts about Pandain to see who else defended him suspiciously. We're all gonna do a certain amount of the posts in this thread. Each person will do a different page. There are 6 pages of Pandain posts. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q="pandain"&t=c&f=31&u=&gb=dateI'll take the third page, because I like the number 3 and its around the middle of the game when he is campaigning. Someone call each page, go post by post and post any interesting findings that might lead to other mafia. Now we get aggressive. Line em up and knock em down.
Dibs on page 5
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On November 04 2010 09:37 KtheZ wrote:
kitaman we can BOTH DO PAGE 5 :D
but with all seriousness, how do I know which page is which O.o
lol whoops I missed that, I'll do 6 then.
The page is based on the link DrH posted. There are like 100 posts per page
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Page six analysis. Mostly just references to the DrH/Pandain battle, but his large analysis of DrH takes place there. He also strongly defends Aeres (although his alternative is DrH). Semi-relevant quotes:
On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.
Don't expect me to post for a while :p I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say. On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!
who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?.... Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit? Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs. Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did. At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up. The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to.. hmm. Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die? Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name. I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking: What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy. Eye of Suspicion That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time (Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored. Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone... I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek... so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people? really? thats as anti town as it gets.
Coag attacks jcarlsoniv and comes off overly aggressive
On November 03 2010 04:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 07:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 07:17 NB wrote:
people are moving too fast, im having a hard time to catch up your conversation T_T poor excuse, i know your play. you watch the thread very intently while communicating avidly within a scumcircle why even mention it? feeling guilty about your inactivity or do you just like to clutter up threads for no reason baseless assumption Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 07:29 Coagulation wrote:
FISHBOWL =FISHBALL Sorry. Wheres This guys circle at?? wouldnt they claim by now?? there are a lot of inactive players right now calm yourself What about NB, then?
Pandain defends NB after his inactivity is questioned.
On November 03 2010 04:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Hey all, sorry I'm late. Just got off my flight from Liquidvania. You wouldn't believe the lines. People must be dying to get out of there (sorry I couldn't resist.)
I haven't decided who to vote for as Mayor yet, but I do have two requests.
First off, I would like to see an additional person claim from this "secret 6 person circle". If it exists, odds are incredibly likely that a mafia member is one of the members. If that's the case, then the mafia already knows the identities of all six members. So what harm is there to come forth to the town identifying yourself?
Secondly, I would like to hear how the Mayor plans to use their first day lynch. Will it be based on the majority opinion of the town, a suspicious set of posts during the first 48 hours, or a power player you are intimidated by? Do you already have an idea of who you want to use it on? In order for a candidate to receive my vote, I require they address this issue.
Good luck all ^_^ not just an additional person, everyone in the circle should claim. mafia doesn't have incentive to kill them for it so it's all good. NO! BAD! This is a very anti town move. Pms were, and even with 3 of Fishball's member's dying, are one of the greatest things town has right now. Why? Town circle, obviously. Telling everyone to claim just allows mafia to snipe people off, while giving town really no useful info when just one person claiming would have the same result. this is very suscipcious.
Strongly opposed to revealing the members of fish's circle
On November 03 2010 06:55 LunarDestiny wrote:
DrH's reply to Pandain is logical and I don't believe that Pandain is try to twist your word to make you look scum. I think he is misinform about your ability to semi prove that a person is town or mafia (heck. I was confused about your ability before that reply of yours).
LundarDestiny defends Pandain's attack on DrH
On November 04 2010 03:20 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 03:11 DCLXVI wrote:On November 04 2010 01:23 Pandain wrote:
We need medics to protect dxcvii, he's the only person who we really KNOW is going to get hit. If anyone's in a town circle with medics, make sure to coordinate them so at least one person(prefferably one) is protecting him.
Why are you suddenly trying to protect me? Do you want to draw all the medics to me tonight or do you think trying to save one person is worth risking a few medics? regarding your situation: considering the following: everyone has a unique role (since no role has been repeated so far as we know) + node is not lying => only 1 medic => there are 2 person that could be dead by tonight: Dr.H and You => 1 person will die with out medic protection! so if i understand your post right, you dont care if a medic saving you or not and willing to risk it?
Pandain requests medic on DCLXVI. NB questions why DCLXVI wouldn't want a medic.
(although I also suggested a medic protect DCLXVI later on)
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One moment please, he has to discuss what his ability might be with his scum buddies.
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On November 04 2010 10:53 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
what is your superpower and how did you use it in the first two nights vigilante but i have a high chance of killing myself i havnt used it yet
And how is that a SUPERPOWERFUL role? And why would you take the blue pill and be a regular townie?
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On November 04 2010 10:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if a vig hits pandain we might have better information for our double lynch
Maybe Coagulation and vig hit him and kill himself in the process :p
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On November 04 2010 11:00 Coagulation wrote:
when i do a vig hit i have 50% chance of holding gun wrong direction
but i can use it as often as i want.
Cool. Who do you you suggested lynching instead? 
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On November 04 2010 11:19 Ace wrote:
But he checked you and Nemesis. Maybe he was suspicious of you, but when was he suspicious of Nemesis?
Basically if he's looking for alignment checks then he'd be checking the people he felt were the scummiest players right?
So I guess the real question here is to see if Pandain was always checking who he felt was Scum based on his posts in the thread. The problem here is that Dr.H was his main target.
That being said if Pandain felt that you and Nemesis were supporting Dr.H then maybe his checks do add up.
He claims its random.
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On November 04 2010 11:37 LunarDestiny wrote:
I don't really pick my booger so I don't know.
LAL
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On November 04 2010 12:20 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 12:19 LunarDestiny wrote:
edit!!!
instant mod kill... I wish. That sure would simplify things greatly.
Rules are rules afterall.
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On November 06 2010 00:20 CubEdIn wrote:
@ Lunar - I am one of those who voted for Coag.
Please explain in more detail why I should change to Pandain.
Here is why I'm thinking I shouldn't.
We are more sure that Coag is red then we are of Pandain. We are guessing Pandain is so due to behavior (both his and Coag's).
We pretty much know that Coag is due to the DT, the way he reacted (I got a really cool role guys but you see, ummm, wait, i'll have to think about it a bit.), etc.
Why should I vote for someone that I'm only ..say.. 75% sure of (Pan) when I can vote for someone that I'm 95% sure of (Coag) ??
The second the DT post was made, Coag was doomed. Mafia knew that as well as we did. The fact that you're thinking that they're letting him die and not Pandain BECAUSE Pand has a better role, seems silly.
Also, for a kind-of wild card reason:
Look at the vote lists. Assume that coag is red, and that pandain is a coinflip (humor me, for this, so there are 5-6 mafia left).
Now look at the vote lists.
Which of them seems more stacked with Mafia? Based on your own judgement of what happened so far, your own instincts and what not.
To me, Pandain's list seems more stacked with people I don't trust 100% (Hyperbola, Beneather, Youngminii, Meapak_Ziphh). Although I don't trust them mostly because of lurking, I can't help but consider the possibility that Pandain is telling the truth and the mafia wants coag to live an extra day.
I agree, the chance of Pandain NOT being mafia are LOWER then the chances of him being mafia. But we're like, 95% sure that Coag IS mafia. Why give him another day? Can't we give Pandain another day instead?
Please feel free to convince me otherwise, I'll gladly change my vote if a good argument is made.
P.S.: I do not really trust 666 due to his shifty play so far, plus, even if he's telling the truth he could (and probably will) be roleblocked, so I'm not gonna trust him 100% for a red's death, sorry.
I think the main reason people feel we should lynch Pandain first is that it gives us more information to use in the upcoming double lynch. If he pops blue then we go after those who pushed his lynch, if he pops red then we go after those he is associated with. Even though we know Coag is probably red, he has been much quieter. There is also the fact that DC claims to have a bomb on Coag and a possible townie so if we lynch Coag, one of his bombs has the change of being wasted.
That being said, I'm keeping my vote on Coag, as he is more of a sure thing and I haven't seen enough evidence against Pandain to convince me he is scum.
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On November 06 2010 05:30 Pandain wrote:
We know your town now, but I would do the same thing had I gone back in time.
Not to discredit our glorious Mayor, but we only know he is probably town. He has proven his ability to carry out his role, not that it is a blue role. I'm not saying he should be next up on the chopping block, but it is dangerous to assume something like that.
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SECRTZ MAFIA VOTE HAS BEEN USED ON COAGULATION
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