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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 03 2010 23:47 GMT
#2543
I don't know because I'm not artanis, I was just asking you a question.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 03 2010 23:50 GMT
#2546
Ok, lynch coagulation and tomorrow lynch pandain/someone else, I'll think about it.

Coagulation dies tonight.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 03 2010 23:53 GMT
#2549
if any other detective found a mafia DON'T COME FORWARD UNTIL TOMORROW

we only have 1 lynch tonight. if a DT hasn't checked Pandain (i doubt it), it must be done tonight. time to analyse coagulations posts :D
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 03 2010 23:55 GMT
#2551
coagulation is not a very smart player, it is likely he made several slipups/openly defended scumbuddies in ways a townie would never do. time to go post by post. I'll post anything I find, Everyon should look through his posts here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Coagulation&gb=date
Note Mafia Will probably bus him now, just because someone votes Coagulation/attacks him does NOT mean they are town.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:01 GMT
#2567
kill coag tonight, kill pandain tomorrow and someone else. I'm gonna say Meapak but i'm not done reading coags terrible terrible posts yet
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:09 GMT
#2580
On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.

pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.

i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.



immediate support for pandain. doesn't trust bum/fishball/me who have roles that could hugely benefit town. basically says "I'm voting for pandain because hes bad at mafia"

On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.

you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.


bad defense of pandain

On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.

you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.


disassociates himself from the argument between me and pandain even though most of coag's posts are posts attacking me lol

On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.


DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.


You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game

pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.


I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:

- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis
- Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky
- There is an actual role called "Sticky"
- Sticky's ability involves poking people

On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1

Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.


If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.

the plot thickens.

however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?)
then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky.
but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that.

I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.




after attacking me a lot he backs off very softly here saying my story is probably legit.

On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote:
Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so?


pushing suspicion onto YM for no real reason. Makes me heavily doubt youngminii is mafia. No reason to do this if coag and ym are both mafia

On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote:
OK i have caught up on reading

1. DOCH naturally I still cant trust you 100% until I can see some of your claims of verifying yourself come to light. I really hope your not a red otherwise we may as well just bend over and let you get to fucking.

2. you have a moron for a bodyguard

3. Node is asking for invites to the circle? i would think twice before letting people who request in. looks like 1 red was already in the circle. he dies and now Node starts asking to get in?(could be mafia trying to get a man back inside)
looks bad but not gonna dwell on it too much yet..

4. pandain I dunno what the hell you are talking about. Im not gonna keep my mouth shut if someone looks scummy just because they are not around to defend themselves.



soft attack on node, makes me think node is blue as well

On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote:
dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor.

also the other people who wanted elected mayor
bumatlarge
fishball
annul
ghrur
glasse
node

also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle.



asks DT to investigate pandain. since I think they are scumbuddies this seems like a bad play. Unless Pandain is godfather in which case it makes 100% sense.

On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?



ouch! my advice to you is next time you're mafia just go inactive instead of outing all your friends

On November 01 2010 13:55 Coagulation wrote:
its pretty clear to me that pandain is just butthurt that doch won the mayor candidacy instead of him and now hes taking his frustration out on him for beating him at the mayor race and not coming thru with what he promised in the process.

as much as i dont trust doch at the moment unfortunately there is not much we can do. no amount of arguing is gonna make him say "oh damn your right im a red you got me" so its pointless.


constant unending defense of pandain

On November 01 2010 14:00 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck would a red attack a red.
i think your red drh

see?


almost all of his posts are terrible and unthought out attacks on me combined with soft defenses on pandain

On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote:
regarding drh situation.

1. doch is a red and hes been playing us the whole time and now has town by the balls.

2. doch is a blue and due to his terrible misleading promises and false claims of being able to confirm his role/alignment he has basically handed the mafia the ability to have a fucking field day on the town causing panic and distrust to cloud everyones views. mafia has town by the balls.

can you see maybe why im a little mad at the situation doch?


regarding aeres

he made a shitty move and it looks extremely scummy whether hes a red or just an inexperienced player that made a mistake i have no idea. so far the best anyone has to go on and everyone seems ok with that. maybe a little too ok. keep an eye on it.

regarding youngminii

this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.


he attacked YM pretty early, before the aeres situation, and now they are doing it again. if YM is a role that starts as mafia and becomes town after being lynched there would be a huge incentive to get him lynched.

but I doubt YM is mafia on this note.

On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!

who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....

Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


well that didn't turn out true now did it? seems my initial instinct that jcarls was town was right

On November 02 2010 21:34 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:30 Glasse wrote:
Why would a red be able to post a small message on the day post?


Was that a slip? or more bullshit?


starts attacking glasse, this makes me more sure glasse is pro-town

On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.

unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely.


more attack on YM

he didn't seem to defend anyone but pandain. both should be lynched. someone else should comb his posts and see what they find

if anyone still thinks im mafia, slap yourself









RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:11 GMT
#2584
I'm positive Veldril is Town. He brought up lynching Divinek out of the blue.

If we lynch an inactive it should be RoL or Kenpachi

I'm also really uncomfortable about how few posts infundibulum has
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:12 GMT
#2586
On November 04 2010 09:11 Nemesis wrote:
Things are moving rather fast

I think it was pretty obvious that bum was gonna die soon, because of his roleclaim. Too many people roleclaiming-.-

Also, Pandain, you better hurry up with that "confirm your role" promise of yours. I think that you might very well have until next day phase before you get lynched.

If we vote for double lynch today, does that mean that we get double lynch the next day phase? Also how does double lynch work: do the two people with the most votes get lynched? Do we get to vote twice for double lynch?

yes and yes

dunno fi we can use it twice in a row

it starts tomorrow. we each vote for two targets and the top two die.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:14 GMT
#2590
On November 04 2010 09:14 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 09:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm positive Veldril is Town. He brought up lynching Divinek out of the blue.

If we lynch an inactive it should be RoL or Kenpachi

I'm also really uncomfortable about how few posts infundibulum has

day 2 should be pandain and DC...

>DC

no
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:14 GMT
#2592
On November 04 2010 09:14 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 09:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 04 2010 09:11 Nemesis wrote:
Things are moving rather fast

I think it was pretty obvious that bum was gonna die soon, because of his roleclaim. Too many people roleclaiming-.-

Also, Pandain, you better hurry up with that "confirm your role" promise of yours. I think that you might very well have until next day phase before you get lynched.

If we vote for double lynch today, does that mean that we get double lynch the next day phase? Also how does double lynch work: do the two people with the most votes get lynched? Do we get to vote twice for double lynch?

yes and yes

dunno fi we can use it twice in a row

it starts tomorrow. we each vote for two targets and the top two die.

I don't mean twice in a row, but if there is a double lynch this day phase, do we get to vote twice on who to lynch?


it activtes next day phase and you vote for two different targets, you can't stack 2 votes on the same target

so tomorrow you would vote

Vote: player x
Vote: player y

like that
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:20 GMT
#2599
On November 04 2010 09:18 Nemesis wrote:
Oops it seems that my post didn't go through

Should we use double lynch next day phase then?

i'm not totally sure you understand how it works.

we have to vote for double lynch. if a majority of people vote for double lynch, we can use it tomorrow. we can't use it today.

yes we should use it. we need to start looking through the thread for who else defended pandain or if anyone defended coagulation at all. those people are suspicious.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:27 GMT
#2603
Alright, here's an assignment. We're gonna analyse all the posts about Pandain to see who else defended him suspiciously. We're all gonna do a certain amount of the posts in this thread.

Each person will do a different page. There are 6 pages of Pandain posts.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q="pandain"&t=c&f=31&u=&gb=date

I'll take the third page, because I like the number 3 and its around the middle of the game when he is campaigning.

Someone call each page, go post by post and post any interesting findings that might lead to other mafia. Now we get aggressive. Line em up and knock em down.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:30 GMT
#2607
immediately apparent is pandain/coagulation both tried to spread mistrust o fishball because he used "secret circle" that could be very dangerous or wasn't helpful to town

anyone else who used this argument gets an FoS. Does anyone recall who else used this argument against Fishball as a strong point?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:38 GMT
#2618
On October 30 2010 23:19 deconduo wrote:
Ok, the election seems to have gotten out of hand a lot. Right now I don't like ANY of the 3 leading candidates:

Fishball - I've said a few times I just don't trust the whole circle thing.

Dr. H - Just seems, I dunno, off somehow. The timing of when he started to run was weird. He has a huge bandwagon overnight as well. It reeks imo.

Pandain - I put my vote on him initially, because between him and fishball I'd much prefer him. I feel he's the least likely to be scum of all 3, but I don't think he'd be an amazing mayor. In previous games I've played with him he was a bit all over the place. However, given the choice between those 3 I would pick him as the 'safe' option.

So I'm going to change back to my original vote for now, bumatlarge. The fact that he has not been pushing so hard like the others reassures me as well.



I didn't like this post by Deconduo. Now he's anti-pandain but it could be a bus? IDK seems unlikely the mafia would bus Pandain right away at this point to me, but why were you initially trusting of Pandain in the first place? I'd just like a response from you that's all.

On October 31 2010 09:13 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2010 09:01 Pandain wrote:
On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 08:46 bumatlarge wrote:
On October 31 2010 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one.


SiNiquity is my first choice at the moment. Similar post to youngminii but I feel more confident that his actual vote was scummy than youngs.

I feel that Pandain or BumAtLarge have the highest chances of being scum mayor so I'm looking at their supporters and posting atm.


There is some truth to this, I've been looking through the thread and I've noticed a little something relevant. I think a few of us have suggested lynching a candidate. If there was no mafia candidate, I'd imagine a few scum would say that would seem like a good idea. But it was basically you, fishball and myself who have hinted at doing this. No one commented on it. I think it's likely one of the candidates are scum. Though we only really mentioned it when we were looking like we were gaining soe ground in the race. Kill Pandain I say :D

Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?

I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.

Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%.


I don't understand why I'm under suspicion except for a couple facts:
1.Like 5 people voted me without a "sufficient" explanation.
2.I'm one of the running canidates.

Obviously the second one is the most convincing one, as I severely doubt that mafia could just sit back and let town take the election. So that leaves Dr. H(to be confirmed), Fishball, Bumatlarge, and Me.


The fact that people voted for you without sufficient explanation is exactly why you are under suspicion. What reason would they have to vote for you at all? There were plenty of candidates that started running (myself and ghrur to name a couple off the top of my head) that got no votes. Why would they choose you without any good reason to?


I'm more concerned with the way he just handed the election to me after it was clear I was winning, when he was so critical of me before, and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.

He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?

wut?


Again, I really have been really arragont in this game. Without a shadow of a doubt, you ARE a better player than me. I was more concerned that I may have a better role and the fact if you are town you are a valuable asset(and you can confirm yourself as town.) I've passed myself off as expierenced, when really I don't have anything to back that up. I need to play some more games before I can earn that respect.

Also my role can still only "indirectly" confirm me. You would understand but I don't want to give too much away. Plus the fact that you're winning makes it easier to concede :p


This was the first post that made me think Pandain is probably scum.

I didn't get much out of page 3, except for the mafia agenda focused on making people distrust the idea of the town circle in the first place.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:39 GMT
#2619
Nemesis voted for him immediately iirc. Deconduo also voted for Pandain.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 01:09 GMT
#2640
On November 04 2010 10:08 youngminii wrote:
I think the fact that Pandain has 6 pages (100 posts each) of posts mostly to do with his interaction with DrH, then starting to lurk after the attention was brought on him indicates a little bit of his scumminess, don't ya think?

Lucky break with the mafia retard. I honestly thought infinitestory was more scummy than most others.

i felt the same

if infinitestory is mafia and this is some kind of complex super-bus he deserves MVP
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 01:13 GMT
#2643
Not if you think it will make you a mafia target. Unless you can give us some information by roleclaiming that will lead us to a mafia lynch, keep it to yourself
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 01:15 GMT
#2645
On November 04 2010 10:13 youngminii wrote:
Hang on, he says his role is ADD Detective but he RNGs a target. But the ADD Doctor has a 10% chance of killing his patient if his patient wasn't 'sick'. Shouldn't that make an ADD Detective a Detective that gets a wrong reading 10% of the time?

Food for thought, don't look into it too much (yet).

meh, I doubt it's exactly the same. I'm inclined to believe him because he fished for other ADD DT's in the same way I did for other stickys.

I'd think it's more likely he has a 100% chance of investigating correctly, since orgolove actually had a 100% chance of saving right?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 01:16 GMT
#2647
On November 04 2010 10:15 Kenpachi wrote:
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On November 04 2010 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Not if you think it will make you a mafia target. Unless you can give us some information by roleclaiming that will lead us to a mafia lynch, keep it to yourself

well lets hope the person i vote for is lynched AND is a mafia and i can activate my superpowers

dont say anything else
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 01:16 GMT
#2648
the only people who should be roleclaiming at this point are people who can out a mafia with their role. if a DT finds a mafia, come out. otherwise keep it to yourself. don't give the mafia ANYTHING to work with.
RIP Aaliyah
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