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On November 01 2010 12:47 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have. Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too.
Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing.
And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation.
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On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote
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On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
Alright, basically Doc here's the thing
You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important.
No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down.
But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock.
You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor.
The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
I'm still claiming that by the way.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.
You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while.
Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude.
That is why I am voting you
Too bad your vote didn't even go through lol
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On November 01 2010 12:55 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice.
True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think?
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On November 01 2010 13:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
It is possible that the role in question can nullify any one vote regardless of alignment. Now, Artanis admitted that the mafia get an anonymous vote so the fact that the first negated vote was anonymous is likely unrelated to the boogerflinger role.
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:
But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens.
With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people.
This is a good point Pandain, I don't think Mafia would have known I would be poked. I had no idea myself that Dr.H even noticed I was posting (he did call me inactive at the beginning of the game after all =P). This leads me to believe that you were indeed role-blocked Dr.H This is where we are at. It is Dr. H's word, and his word alone. We have no idea if there is a roleblocker, or if he was actually roleblocked if the former is true. I suppose it's my word until my poke goes through to someone.But when you realize Dr. H knew he could be roleblocked, leaving town unsure of his alignment, yet runs on a campaign of "I'm going to be confirmed!", that is anti town. Everyone knew I could have been roleblocked. It's not my fault I was the only one who considered the possibility a roleblocker existed. I had admitted to a few possibilities that might hinder my confirmation during my campaign before I was elected, but that's something you'd rather ignore eh?And then he brings up more far fetched things such as indeed that mafia just happened to bus you. Never said busdriver would a mafia role or that he was bussed. I said it was a possibility. Should I not talk about what things are possible? About the different ways my action could have been blocked? A
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On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?
your connection to pandain is painfully obvious
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On November 01 2010 13:06 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Well, now a vote on you has been nullified twice. True but one was a vote to make me mayor and the other is a vote to make me dead ;o. Very differnet things don't you think? To be fair, the Do-Gooder was required to use his vote on a mafia, whether it be during the mayor election or a regular lynch election.
And the do-gooder didn't vote which is why he was modkilled 
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On November 01 2010 13:06 Misder wrote:
I'm going to bring this up again, why do you think mafia chose to kill annul? Do you think they found about him being the bodygaurd? Cause I don't see another reason why mafia would kill him. He didn't make any amazingly good post that would screw mafia over did he?
he's an extremely good player and his play in haunted mafia singlehandedly brought the vampires to victory pretty much
I'd consider him the best newer player aside from kingjames01.
WIFOM but if mafia anticipated medics would protect experienced players he's a sensible hit.
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On November 01 2010 13:07 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:05 kitaman27 wrote:On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town? How so? i was refering to this.. was more of a question not a statement. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't?
On November 01 2010 13:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. On November 01 2010 12:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh my god that was embarassing. Just as Pandain tried to vote, a green substance was flinged at his direction. He ran out of the voting booth crying.
Day 2 - 43 hours to go
Aeres: 3
Ace
youngminii
bumatlarge
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote One interesting thing to note about the two nullifications is that the first one is just called "Anon-Mafia voter", while the second vote is identified as Pandain. Do you think this has any implication that Mafia voters who are negated come up anonymous while town ones wouldn't? It is possible that the role in question can nullify any one vote regardless of alignment. Now, Artanis admitted that the mafia get an anonymous vote so the fact that the first negated vote was anonymous is likely unrelated to the boogerflinger role.
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On November 01 2010 13:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:06 Misder wrote:
I'm going to bring this up again, why do you think mafia chose to kill annul? Do you think they found about him being the bodygaurd? Cause I don't see another reason why mafia would kill him. He didn't make any amazingly good post that would screw mafia over did he? he's an extremely good player and his play in haunted mafia singlehandedly brought the vampires to victory pretty much I'd consider him the best newer player aside from kingjames01. WIFOM but if mafia anticipated medics would protect experienced players he's a sensible hit. So, the mafia are lynching strong newer players? O_o (kingjames and annul)
If they felt that medics would protect the likes of fishball, bum, and ace it makes sense.
Annul is experienced at mafia just not TL mafia and it's a point he's brought up the few times. BrownBear is a vet as well.
L is a big target now that he's in the game.
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On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with).But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one.But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously.With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up.You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on.That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol 
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On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote:
I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it.
Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really?
On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes. That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did. Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia. However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.
By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
It's also a way to setup a potential suicide bomber or the role that Misder talks about which is a mafia role that knows the role and name of anyone who targets him.
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On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres.
devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent.
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On November 01 2010 13:38 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. devolving? how so? I feel I'm being pretty consistent. Basically disagreeing what a sentence clearly says, disagreeing with yourself "Even though I think jcarl is town, and that he is telling the truth, i think he lied", so forth
YOU ARE SO BAD AT LYING
WHEN DID I EVER SAY JCARLS WAS LYING
I said it was "more likely", I never accused him. I never went back on what I said. I explained this to you 3 times and you dropped it and now you're bringing up that ridiculous argument again.
Could you be trying harder to make me look red Mr.Mafia?
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On November 01 2010 13:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 13:31 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 13:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 13:14 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote:Alright, basically Doc here's the thing You lied. You said, constantly said, even after you claim you had abandoned it, that you could confirm yourself 100%. You also admit that that is why your role is important. No I didn't and I just kinda proved that after your pathetic attempt to make it seem that way in your last post. You keep repeating the same argument every time I knock it down. You said you, like me, could confirm myself 100%. and this is after you claim to have disregarded the "100%" thing. On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town. Not that I'm referring to your post which is in referral to my previous claim of 100% confirmation which I stick by circumstantially (as a 100% confirmation when my night action is not interfered with). Your reffering to both, and if you note the words "can" and "being" its obviously reffering to both mine and yours. But then you also admit you knew you were a prime contender for a roleblock. You misled the town, which you explain now as soaking up roleblocks. But any town can do that, and unless mafia already know who the dt's are or something there's no reason to soak up a roleblock. But this also brings up another point, now you also ran, despite the fact you knew you could likely be roleblocked, to soak up roleblocks. Not to be confirmed, which is why I and many others chose you to be mayor. The mafia (assuming they roleblocked me) now has to choose to allow me to confirm, undoing all the damage done to my campaign and character or to continue roleblocking me and allow other blue roles to act unchecked. This is a play that helps town very much.Except for the fact that now you are unconfirmed.What? Like I said. The mafia has to choose what is worse. Having me confirm or wasting their roleblock (if they have one. Great, letting mafia decide everything. A lie won't really benefit town if it has a huge draw back :/But you went along with claiming you could be confirmed, and then night comes and nothing happens. I'm still claiming that by the way. *yawn* tell me when it does Useless comment. I'll tell everyone obviously. point is most likely it's not going to happen anytime soon, and I highly doubt it will ever With a hidden role setup, we have no way of knowing if you are what you say you are, or even if there is a roleblocker. And it is far to easy to wave aside everything by reaching to far fetched theories such as "perhaps jcarl just happened to be bussed! Cause they definitely knew I was checking him, and Jcarl was def a prime contender for visiting people. Far fetched? You think it's far fetched that Jcarl could have been bussed or that I could have been roleblocked but far more likely that I just made all this shit up? Why don't you go ahead and say I made the role of sticky up so I can make you look even more desperate and ridiculous.Yes it is far fetched. Do you honestly think mafia would know you would check Jcarl? I can't really comment on whether you made it up, or are GF, as there are numerous options all viable.Why assume busdriver is a mafia role? Why assum ethere is no town aligned commuter/hider role? If I was GF I would have had to made up the Sticky role as Artanis confirmed GF would have to do in the case that the role of GF existed. Also you are assuming there is a godfather which may not be the case. Why are you assuming Godfather exists? You're saying I either made up my role or I am the GF when both cases mean the same thing. That I made my role up. Why, why why. If there is a bus driver who is town, they'll claim so. Othwerwise, it's pretty safe to assume any one will be mafia. And what do you mean assume there is no commuter/hider role. Jcarl isn't, or else he would've said so. Point is there are many things that could happen if you are mafia which explain this situation. There is really only one for you: You were roleblocked, or are lying. And character evidence doesn't exactly help you. You misled the town to get elected, and cannot back up what you are saying you could do. And from the looks of it, we won't be able to for a while. Sure I can back it up. If my poke goes through it confirms my role. If I get roleblocked or my target is commuted/hidden/bussed/a mafia liar/whatever it won't go through and it won't work. It was obvious from the moment I claimed and explained how my role worked that this was a possibility. I even brought up the possibility that the person I poke could simply lie about it in the past. Come on dude. You campaigned on the basis you would be confirmed. Just bringing up the fact someone could lie(which is doubtful anyway) does not make you innocent Why is it doubtful? It's doubtful that the person I confirmed to would lie but it's not doubtful that I would lie? Do you think if I confirmed to a mafia they would tell the town that I confirmed to them? Come on. you yourself believed, and still believe Jcarl is not. However, due to your way of winning the election I am highly suscipcious of you. That is why I am voting youToo bad your vote didn't even go through lol so many colors............. also note how his argument is devolving. You cannot ignore this people, do not jump on a bandwagon to aeres. It's not devolving, it just hasn't gone anywhere at all. You both are saying the same thing over and over, and I think it needs to stop for now. That being said, I want to make sure the town doesn't just feel too secure with Dr.H (youngminii is too secure imo, a bit suspicious). This shouldn't just drop off the face of the game, but at the same time, I think new issues should be looked at for the time being. This argument between you two is getting the town nowhere.
it's getting pandain more and more desperate and he's revealing himself as scummier and scummier with every post
this is brilliant for us actually
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On November 01 2010 13:55 Coagulation wrote:
its pretty clear to me that pandain is just butthurt that doch won the mayor candidacy instead of him and now hes taking his frustration out on him for beating him at the mayor race and not coming thru with what he promised in the process.
as much as i dont trust doch at the moment unfortunately there is not much we can do. no amount of arguing is gonna make him say "oh damn your right im a red you got me" so its pointless.
but it isn't plausible he's a red trying to attack me? your defense of him is pretty transparent
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On November 01 2010 14:00 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck would a red attack a red.
i think your red drh
see?
lol wow
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but pandain told us not to jump on that aeres "bandwagon" D:
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