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On November 01 2010 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? EBWODP There is obviously nothing stopping me from lying, but is there any evidence to show that I would lie? I supported your campaign, and I have been pro-town the whole time. Why would I then want to through you under the bus? I knew when I saw that it would come down to my confirmation that people would find it a possibility that I would be lying, but I'm not. I don't know if there is any evidence that would suggest I lied.
There is no evidence to suggest you lied. I agree your posts are pro-town. I think it is far more likely there is a silent RB, that you were bussed, that you were commuted, or that some other power that be stopped my night action.
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I still think he's village idiot
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On November 01 2010 11:11 Ace wrote:Maybe we should all deal with what we can control right now as youngminii pointed out here: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:28 youngminii wrote:
Okay I don't care what's going on right now since it doesn't seem to be anything of great substance.
Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard.
So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. 3 people claimed bodyguard. However DC says he never claimed at all. Regardless that prompted a roleclaim from Aeres to reveal his ability. Night 1 the actual bodyguard dies. If we take DC at his word in that he never claimed then Aeres lied. Conveniently DC comes back to point this out after Night is over. But - I still don't think Aeres can sail away on a magical boat and be a bodyguard. If he leaves town then how would the Mayor be protected? So I'm voting for Aeres because I don't think his story adds up. No way he can be a bodyguard when the only 1 also just died. Likewise, even if DC did fake claim Aeres should have pushed harder for his lynch KNOWING that DC lied. If he didn't believe DC's fake claim was an actual claim then he would have had no reason to out himself if he was an actual bodyguard. From 3 angles he stinks. His story and his actions are bullshit.
Because Aeres thought that DC's claim was truthful and that the claim that there was only one bodyguard was a lie. This is a definite possibility, there could even be a role like an insane bodyguard that believes themselves to be the bodyguard but is not actually the bodyguard.
But this conclusion is based on speculation and distrust of the mod. What aeres did is pretty suspicious and he needs to defend himself soon. Although I believe he earlier said he was going to be inactive so we may have to wait a while for his defense.
nevertheless, my vote is on him for now.
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On November 01 2010 11:30 Pandain wrote:It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.Ya, but then a roleblocker just happens to block you, and if you said(and keep saying) you have a 100% way of confirming yourself, why would you stick to that if you knew you were a *in your own words* "a prime canidate for a roleblocker", why would you campaign on that basis. It's just dilebrately misleading town. Basically, you ran through the campaign there was a chance you could never be confirmed. THAT IS WHY YOU GOT ELECTED! So why would you run if you knew you couldn't be confirmed!
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.Alright, so now you take back what you said. I'm saying its highly unlikely, far fetched, and yes you did accuse him. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?For all I know you could be mafia and have the role. You might not have the role at all. I know you to be a very smart, cunning, and manipulative mafia, this is not beyond your reach. All I know is that your actions have been anti town
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.See, this is the problem. Your defense is "what if...", "well maybe" and "it could". There has been no solid explanation of your actions thus far. No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.Alright, you soak up a possible roleblocker, which we can't even confirm exists because your unconfirmed.
That's assuming it was even a roleblock. In this game there are a lot of speculative scenarios we can get into in which things might not work. I did later let the idea of "100% confirmation" fall through as it became increasingly apparent I may not even be able to trust Artanis. If it is a roleblock then the mafia have to make the choice to either keep roleblocking me so they can keep making me look suspicious or to use it on someone else now that I've informed them that I anticipated this play.
Why would I take back what I said? All I said is that jcarls could have lied and that it is much easier for him to lie. I've brought a lot of attention on myself and said a lot about my role, these are things jcarls hasn't done. Your defense of him is getting more irrational. I will not take back my claim because all I claimed is that he could have lied and that is would be a very easy play for him to make. That would make it more likely a lie on his end than a lie on my end but I believe it is likely a lie on NEITHER of our ends and is merely a roleblock. That is a point i emphasized many times yet you're still saying I accused him of being mafia. I asked him a question, brought up the possibility that he lied, but I didn't accuse him of being a liar or a mafia. You're putting words in my mouth and it is very very obvious Pandain. A tribute to your so-called "transparency".
"For all I know you could or couldn't be". Ok that's a tautology isn't it? You're over rating me as a mafia player and then saying my actions are anti town. But lets not say how they're anti-town right? Is it anti-town to soak up roleblocks to help other roles? Is it anti-town because as far as I know I have the best chance of confirming my role to another player with my night action?
Your attack is what if well maybe and it could. I explained all of my actions. I explained why I didn't talk about the possiblity of roleclaiming. I explained why I later ditched the "100%" thing. I've explained why I've done and said everything I've said. To say that I'm mafia becaue I'm not 100% town isn't a good argument.
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It would be best to go through all their posts. Search for all of their posts in the mafia forum and open them all. Skip the ones that seem irrelevant (questions to a mod, spam, etc.) and go for whatever you feel you can analyse but prepared for a shitstorm if people feel you're intentionally leaving out information.
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So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct?
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On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes.
That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did.
Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia.
However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard.
By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you.
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On November 01 2010 11:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:45 Aeres wrote:On November 01 2010 11:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So you claimed bodyguard to soak up a hit by using your ability to leave for the night? Is my understanding correct? In essence, yes. That makes sense but it isn't a very smart play. Of course it not being a smart play doesn't mean it isn't something you did. Mafia does benefit from fake claiming bodyguard but there is also a huge risk. They can't be sure that I don't know who my bodyguards are. It does seem like a really strange claim to make, from the perspective of mafia, if they knew there was only one bodyguard. If the other "real" bodyguard roleclaims it would blow up in the face of that mafia. However, since you assumed 666 was the real bodyguard at the time then I suppose you weren't looking forward to a future claim from a bodyguard. By pretending to be bodyguard as mafia, you can draw medics onto you on days "you can't leave town". You could also claim "I'm all out of boat trips I need protection 24/7" and draw medics to you that way. As far as I see it the mafia fake has more to gain from this play than the town fake. That's why I'm voting for you. Oh that is something I wanted to ask you. Did you know the identity of Annul (your bodyguard) before he was killed?
Nope.
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On November 01 2010 11:56 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:That's assuming it was even a roleblock. In this game there are a lot of speculative scenarios we can get into in which things might not work. I did later let the idea of "100% confirmation" fall through as it became increasingly apparent I may not even be able to trust Artanis. If it is a roleblock then the mafia have to make the choice to either keep roleblocking me so they can keep making me look suspicious or to use it on someone else now that I've informed them that I anticipated this play. By the time we had the first suscipcions the mods could be lying you had already secured the election. There were two hours left. Furthormore, I don't understand how this "insanity" would prevent you from doing a poke. How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect. But yet even in two hours you make this post:On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is my second choice for now but I'm not sure since he claims to have an uber important role. But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
I have a weird feeling about Nemesis. his vote is for pandain but iirc he supported me mostly in this thread. correct me if I'm wrong maybe I'm thinking about someone else.
Also if the boogerthrower knows the identity of the mafia voter somehow, come out and claim. You'll be medic protected 100%. Here you admit your role is most important in the ability to confirm yourself. This is after it was revealed there was a chance the mods are deceiving us. And yet you have admitted you are a prime contender for a roleblocker, but keep on going. Things do not add upWhy would I take back what I said? All I said is that jcarls could have lied and that it is much easier for him to lie. I've brought a lot of attention on myself and said a lot about my role, these are things jcarls hasn't done. Your defense of him is getting more irrational. I will not take back my claim because all I claimed is that he could have lied and that is would be a very easy play for him to make. That would make it more likely a lie on his end than a lie on my end but I believe it is likely a lie on NEITHER of our ends and is merely a roleblock. That is a point i emphasized many times yet you're still saying I accused him of being mafia. I asked him a question, brought up the possibility that he lied, but I didn't accuse him of being a liar or a mafia. You're putting words in my mouth and it is very very obvious Pandain. A tribute to your so-called "transparency". It's a lie to say I'm fervently defending jcarl. What I'm doing is pointing out that your theory does not make sense. And so you bring this up, but don't think he's mafia? So why would you bring it up, since it could only bring suscipcion upon him. It's because your trying to find your way out of this mess."For all I know you could or couldn't be". Ok that's a tautology isn't it? You're over rating me as a mafia player and then saying my actions are anti town. But lets not say how they're anti-town right? Is it anti-town to soak up roleblocks to help other roles? Is it anti-town because as far as I know I have the best chance of confirming my role to another player with my night action? It is anti town to lie to get elected, to claim your role is important and that is why you must get elected, and then admit there's possiblities you can't confirm yourself. It is anti town to make grasps at logic and far fetched theories. It is anti town because if you were town and you know/knew a roleblocker would ruin your "confirmation" you wouldn't have lied and said otherwise, and if you were mafia it makes perfect sense.Your attack is what if well maybe and it could. I explained all of my actions. I explained why I didn't talk about the possiblity of roleclaiming. I explained why I later ditched the "100%" thing. I've explained why I've done and said everything I've said. To say that I'm mafia becaue I'm not 100% town isn't a good argument. You didn't ditch the 100% thing, you've defended yourself using the "what if's, it could, and perhaps".
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
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On November 01 2010 11:59 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote:
Well, we now know almost certainly that DH is vulnerable. Now the question is whether or not protecting him is the right thing, as again, there is speculation on whether or not hes mafia or not. Right now, I'm pretty torn. People are right on how there really is no way to gaurantee that DH will have an opportunity to confirm himself. Then again, he's making good analysis and making everything up is pretty hard to do... unless he got his mafia buddies to help. Maybe (speculation again...) he made up the role, and he and his mafia made it based on Bill Murray on purpose to make it sound believable. It's really stretched, but a possibility. Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray?
I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia. actually he hasn't made any good analysis, if you note all he's done is say "they could be this, but then again they could be that."
lol what a weak brush off of my analysis posts
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On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia.
Does this count for our roles as well? Orgoloves role had misinformation in it, I assume this could apply to any of us.
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On November 01 2010 12:06 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:59 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 11:58 Misder wrote:
Well, we now know almost certainly that DH is vulnerable. Now the question is whether or not protecting him is the right thing, as again, there is speculation on whether or not hes mafia or not. Right now, I'm pretty torn. People are right on how there really is no way to gaurantee that DH will have an opportunity to confirm himself. Then again, he's making good analysis and making everything up is pretty hard to do... unless he got his mafia buddies to help. Maybe (speculation again...) he made up the role, and he and his mafia made it based on Bill Murray on purpose to make it sound believable. It's really stretched, but a possibility. Anyone know who pointed out the link between Sticky and the stick of Bill Murray?
I wonder if mafia knew that annul was a bodygaurd. It seems so out of there. Why would mafia try to go for annul in the first place? It's not like he made any amazingly good posts that would screw up mafia. actually he hasn't made any good analysis, if you note all he's done is say "they could be this, but then again they could be that." lol what a weak brush off of my analysis posts your right, you put effort into it. He hasn't made any real conclusions, better gets across what I'm trying to say.
I made real conclusions. Like that NB is probably a bad townie instead of mafia, that Misder is trying to fish for roleclaims in this game and needs to be watched.
I'm not going to say "oh this player is mafia" if I don't feel the signs are strong enough. That doesn't make my analysis useless, that's such bullshit.
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On November 01 2010 12:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that LSB and I will never outright lie about something. If something is false in something I said, there will almost always be hints to it. This is not a game where the town has to battle both the GM and the mafia. Does this count for our roles as well? Orgoloves role had misinformation in it, I assume this could apply to any of us. This was purely psychological. Also, the role PM's are not the only PM's some players get.
Let me rephrase this. Is is possible that our roles may not work exactly as described in our role PM's?
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On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues.
Well I'm glad you see how bad they are as well, but I figure it's best to respond lest anyone actually buy into them.
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On November 01 2010 12:15 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:14 youngminii wrote:
Pandain, slow down. Stop posting. Stop spamming the thread with long but useless information.
DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. I think the alignment of our mayor is a pretty important issue. I don't know about you, though.
I really don't even feel that mafia have any huge incentive to take the position of mayor TBH
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On November 01 2010 12:25 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:22 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote:Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/ On November 01 2010 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Doesn't really mean anything. If the insanity thing was such a big deal people could have switched bandwagons. The problem is the insanity thing applies to everyone and it isn't a point against me, it's just a part of this game that must be considered.
1.There were only two hours left
2. A major factor is that no one can even say if you actually used your role. The person who you claimed to have poked says he received no such thing. Now you defend yourself by saying you could've been roleblocked, or he could've been bussed. The first point is okay, but negated for reasons later expressed below. The second point is just illogical. It is more logical to assume you are mafia than that jcarl just happened to get bussed.
Everything adds up Pandain.
How could that kind of a role even have an insane aspect? Well we could start with the intial concern from infinitestory that my poke transfers murrayitis to a person. Perhaps the poke doesn't confirm itself to the other player but does tell me if they have murrayitis. Perhaps my poke only has a certain chance of going through. There are many possibilities here Pandain, am I really supposed to believe you couldn't think of 1?
Point is it didn't even happen
Yeah, it is. That is the importance of my role as I understand it and as it is described in my role PM. What else do I have to go off of? Would you like me to tell you the importance of my role in an insane variation which I have no way of predicting or knowing?
Exactly! So why are you running if your role has a high chance of being unimportant. You claim its to soak up POTENTIAL roleblockers, but any townie could run and do just that.
You're attacking me for defending him. Let me call it a chainsaw defense, which is even worse. What theory doesn't make sense? It doesn't make sense that jcarls could have lied? You're not even considering that? In order to bring up the possibility that he might not be telling the truth I have to also accuse him of being mafia? Wow dude I never thought you would make such awful points.
Yes, it doesn't make sense for jcarl to lie. You yourself think he hasn't, and yet you critizice me for defending just that. I have considered it, but consider it highly more likely you are just scum.
My poke didn't go through to him and you all want to know why. So I'm telling you all the ways this could be possible and jcarls telling a lie is one of these things. It's a possibility among many that I have offered and it is the one I am pursuing the least and even calling the least likely. Just drop it. I never accused jcarls and your clown-ass arguments aren't coming anywhere close to making it look like I did.'
Why did you lie to us if you knew this could happen.
Why did you continue to claim you could be 100% confirmed
Why would wasting a potential roleblocker's use on one night outweigh having an unconfirmed mayor who's lied.
I didn't lie to get elected. I had no reason to distrust the mods and never truly considered the possibility that my role was insane when I was talking about 100% confirmation. I intentionally withheld information because I didn't want the mafia to consider the possiblity that I would be soaking up roleblocks they might have. This is a "lie" designed to benefit town.
You start with "I didn't lie to get elected" and end with "this is a lie designed to benefit town."
You claimed you would be 100% confirmed, now you claim you knew this would not happen.
I did ditch the 100% thing. I consistently recognized the possibility that I would be insane and offered checks against it to the town.
see the quote
STOP Youngminii, I think you're reading selectively. Even if Pandain himself isn't right, his arguments have foundations, including in a very revealing post by Coagulation a couple pages ago, namely one which highlights the lies in DrH's campaign. In that sense, your usage of LAL is suspiciously focused as well.
it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do
i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people
anyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place
I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied
how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have.
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because roleblockers may or may not exist I'm a horrible liar? lol
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On November 01 2010 12:33 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim.
Would you like to just go ahead and accuse me of making up the role of sticky altogether?
Don't you think confirming that my role does what it says I does does quite a bit? It confirms the sticky exists and that I am the sticky, it would prove I wasn't lying about my role and my confirmation power.
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On November 01 2010 12:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 12:33 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke Like I said, the poke going through only confirms your role does what you say it does. Can I trust you that what you say your role does = 100% of your role? I don't know, especially in light of a recent revelation of a fake roleclaim. Would you like to just go ahead and accuse me of making up the role of sticky altogether? Don't you think confirming that my role does what it says I does does quite a bit? It confirms the sticky exists and that I am the sticky, it would prove I wasn't lying about my role and my confirmation power. Dr.H, I think a more important part of this post is "that what you say your role does = 100% of your role?" Do I suspect that you are holding any part of your role apart from us? Probably not, you have described your role pretty greatly, and I think any other powers added to it would be OP. However, I do think this is a necessary precaution to think about, and infinitestory is probably wise to do so.
No, the power of the role is to confirm itself to other players and also to determine if they do or don't have murrayitis. That's all.
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On November 01 2010 12:38 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 12:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:it didn't highlight any lies because at the time I had said it I did not take into account the possibility of my role being insane. when this was brought out i immediately stopped saying it, as would be the reasonable thing to do Nope, for example this post was made after posts about insanity.Bad point. I said my power is to confirm itself to another player. This is still the case and I never retracted that statement. That is my role. To poke another player and confirm my role/name to them. Note I didn't use the term "100%" here.On October 31 2010 08:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
But how important can it be if it's less important than mine that is mostly important on its ability to confirm itself?
And againAgain I'm not referring to my ability to 100% confirm but your assertion that you can confirm yourself as a townie through your role. which you said you could do without being mayor. Which you ALSO haven't done by the way.On October 31 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
and when he claims to have such a huge role that can ALSO confirm itself as being 100% town.
He said "oh i can confirm myself being town" but now he's letting me have it because I can confirm myself as being town?
The also implies you can confirm yourself as 100% town, and then says it again.
Here you admit your role is important in its ability to confirm yourself. Yet you continue to run.Not running from it at all. I am openly admitting constaantly that my role has a power that can confirm itself to another player. It seems pretty clear I was roleblocked, it's very simple. I'm not saying "Oh no my role actually can't do that" just that it was prevented from doing so last night.i explained my role and how it worked and how it confirmed to people good for you cute addition ;o you're so snarkyanyone who didn't think of the possibility that that could be roleblocked/affected by busdrivers/affected by the lie of whoever it confirms to needs to take responsibility for that since I explained why I never brought it up in the first place I stand by the statement that my role confirms itself 100% to whoever I poke. What Artanis has said recently has made me more confident then ever that my role is not insane and that it does exactly as it says which means I was roleblocked, some other role stopped me from poking, or that jcarls lied alright, so when can we confirm if that's the truth?I suppose when I am not roleblocked and my poke goes through? Or that my poke goes through and the person I poked is honest about it? Perhaps I should poke you and see if you tell the truth about it or not.how is that a lie? if the poke goes through it is a 100% confirmation, that is the power and that is still the power I have.
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