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On November 01 2010 09:27 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. Are you sure about this? I'd like to know what this means, then: Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:One poor dude? He found that his door got duct taped over so he couldn't get out. Luckly for him, he wouldn't have arrived at the right's person's home (some idiot kidnapped the people). As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy 
I am not told by the mods if my poke goes through, the player I poked has to confirm it.
Basically it works like this. I poke Player X.
Player X has murrayitis:
They don't know I poked them
I am told they have murrayitis
Player X doesn't have murrayitis:
They know I poked them
The mods tell me nothing
Meaning if I get nothing in return it can mean I was roleblocked, the player was switched out or hidden somehow, or some other role stopped me from acting. It can also mean the poke was successful and the person doesn't have murrayitis, which is up to that player to confirm that I poked them.
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On November 01 2010 09:31 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:29 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. This is not unlikely. Mafia knew that DH was going to try to confirm himself tonight by night action. So if there is a roleblocker in the game, mafia would probably make the easy decision to block him. On the other hand, DH is still not confirmed... DrH, how in hell did you NOT think of this scenario when you promised us a foolproof way to prove your role?
I did and I figured if the roleblocker decided to target me it meant he would be wasting the majority of his roleblocks in an attempt to make me look bad preventing roles with bigger impacts on the game from being roleblocked in the first place.
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On November 01 2010 09:31 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote:
I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?
We can trust DocH. We should work with him. Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar?
No, I sure don't.
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On November 01 2010 09:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:31 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 09:29 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. This is not unlikely. Mafia knew that DH was going to try to confirm himself tonight by night action. So if there is a roleblocker in the game, mafia would probably make the easy decision to block him. On the other hand, DH is still not confirmed... DrH, how in hell did you NOT think of this scenario when you promised us a foolproof way to prove your role? I did and I figured if the roleblocker decided to target me it meant he would be wasting the majority of his roleblocks in an attempt to make me look bad preventing roles with bigger impacts on the game from being roleblocked in the first place.
It's not just a roleblocker that could have done this btw.
Could be a bus driver, a commuter, a lightning rod type role, it could be any number of things.
If it's a bus driver that means that I poked somebody else, whoever jcarls was switched with.
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On November 01 2010 09:40 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:29 Aeres wrote:Just saw this in the voting thread: On November 01 2010 09:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 2
Jcarlsoniv: 1
Elder Vote Nice. Now we should make a list of who posted since night. Aeres NB Glasse DH infinitestory kitaman Node Pandain deconduo Meapak ghrur Lexpar cubEdln Ace Fishball jcarls Misder This list is long, and probably useless as the person can not post and PM Artanis/LSB but someone has something against jcarls. Is Elder a confirmed town, or could a mafia have that role?
Are you fishing to find out who is the elder?
Why?
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I decided to analyse misders posts because I've been feeling really uncomfortable with his role fishing. I'll analyse some other players that have been brought up as suspicious later.
Misder:
His first post concerns a question asking how Murrayitis works. Nothing scummy/towny in that, both sides would have an interest in knowing. For a while his posts just clarify rules for other players, say things that are obvious, etc. It isn't until his 4th or 5th post that he contributes.
On October 29 2010 10:02 Misder wrote:
Since we're all blue (well, the town is), won't it be difficult for the mafia to know who to focus down, esp since they don't even know what roles there are? I'm just questioning since even if you role claim, it doesn't really do anything bad for the town.
I'd actually argue the other way. If we all role claim, we are able to check what other people do during the night action and see if it fits into their role. Also, the mafia won't know what roles there are, so their going to have to make their roles up. The biggest flaw in this is that then, the mafia will know what roles there are and who they are, but if we are able to weed the mafia out fast enough, its an easy town victory.
I think it's fairly obvious that mafia is going to focus experienced players/whoever they suspect has the most powerful role in that case. If mafia won't know who to focus down (who is the most important blue) it would make sense that forcing roleclaims would be an important part of mafia strategy. This is a conclusion that can be drawn from the first part of your post.
Then you ask for a mass role claim. How can we check what everyone does in the night action? You could simply make up a night action that can not be checked and no one can hold you liable. If we are able to weed out the mafia fast enough? Mafia can just claim obvious roles like detective and doctor or wait for other people to roleclaim and say "oh i'm the same role as X". You don't give a strategy to weed out the mafia fast enough (which is an important part of this plan).
More posts about M-Rus come after this.
On October 29 2010 10:12 Misder wrote:
Ok, so this is how I think mafia kp is set up- mafia can hit 2 people normally, just like any regular mafia game. then, there is one mafia member who can infect 1 person with murrayitis.
I'm a bit confused on your earlier post on murrayitis. So is it that once infected, the person dies the next night, kind of like the poison from a poisoner?
This is an easy conclusion to make. However I would say that if mafia don't have the power of spreading M-Rus, they would be interesting in goading the town into believing that was the case.
Misder then puts what I call light pressure on Pandain. It is nonconclusive, it makes sense on both sides of the coin. For town, it is in their interest to know more about their candidates. For mafia, it is in their interest to appear to disagree/oppose their teammates while creating the opportunity for their teammate to defend/fix themselves. They will appear to put pressure on a teammate without actually doing so. Not so important now, very important later as scumhunting increases in intensity.
On October 29 2010 10:43 Misder wrote:
So I only heard from DH about the mass roleclaiming idea. To me, I feel that its more advantagious to the town than it is disadvantagious, but I want to hear from more of you guys about it.
I put down the idea, Misder is still convinced at this point it's a good idea.
On October 29 2010 11:02 Misder wrote:
Now that I think about it, I'm more unsure about the mass roleclaiming thing I suggested. My main concern is that there isn't a concrete way to confirm anyone. And, as Fishball stated, nothing is preventing the mafia from making roles up that have passive abilities, or claim vigi.
This post comes after several people put it down. The rest of the points he make here are pretty valid.
On October 30 2010 13:23 Misder wrote:
Ok, after reading through the thread, I'm leaning towards voting for DrH, and will vote for him as of right now.
1. If DrH is mafia, it will be able to tell. He provides so much about his role that its impossible to retract, or even fit under the role while being mafia.
If we believe everything that DrH said, he is able to coordinate town. Although he may not be able to PM, if there is a role that allows for the extension of PMing (masons?), he can coordinate even better.
It might even be good that DrH can't PM- everything he does will be done in this thread, and he can be closely examined.
(The only concern I have is that DrH is pretty good at manipulation- but I feel that he won't be able to backtrack what he said, and it will be easy to find inconsistencies in his posts)
2. There may as well be a doctor (or even better, a plague doctor) in the circle to protect him, which will basically provide the same thing as bodyguards.
If Fishball is mafia, he already has a lot of power. He can manipulate the circle probably really easily, esp since according to him, the majority is inactive, and if they decide to come back, it is easy for them just to listen to Fishball and do whatever he says.
We don't know what Fishball can do. He claims his role is of utmost importance, but isn't able to tell us what that role actually is.
3. I feel that Pandain won't be able to provide anything as mayor. He hasn't put out a plan yet; and probably can't do anything proactive with his role.
As people stated earlier, Pandain is transparent. Which is good to check on Pandain, but would be a waste of a Mayor.
Hes not the best scum hunter I've ever known... I'll leave it like that.
The only reason I'd even consider voting for Pandain is if I was a super afraid person of experienced players that are mafia taking the mayor role.
People I'm concerned with:
Coagulation- I don't think I've read a good post by him yet.
Glasse- comes out of nowhere, and states that he can't be killed? And tries to take the mayor role? Why would anyone with the role of being not able to be killed want even more protection?
Ace- Well, I don't really have anything against him. It's just that I've never seen him play, but I've heard hes good and hes a veteran player- so I'm wary.
Circle Claiming-
I don't think the circle should claim to the thread yet; I don't really think I have a reason on this, except that I feel that its risky. If this circle is pure town- its the only form of communication town has that is known right now. Giving mafia the members makes it easy to break the circle up.
One thing to consider though- It's very likely that mafia is in this circle, so other mafia will know who is in this circle and what they are talking about. This gives an advantage to the mafia. The mafia knows whos in the circle and the town doesn't, that sets the town really behind because the town won't know who is able to PM etc.
Hopefully this is enough to only have 1 post today (in real life time)...
Naturally I agree with his praise of me there. In this post he parrots concerns town had about Fishball and gves light criticism to Pandain.
Discourages circle claiming which seems really odd in the face that he earlier suggested a mass roleclaim and later tries to get others to roleclaim. He says he doesn't have a reason but that its risky? So if mafia is in the circle, all the mafia know who is in the circle, why wouldn't you want town to know as well? That's withholding information from the town that mafia has. Doesn't help us.
On October 30 2010 15:56 Misder wrote:
I'm taking my vote off of DrH and putting it on Fishball.
After all the WIFOM talk, theres one more thing to consider. If DrH was mafia, he could claim that he poked another mafia player, who has the ability to detect who follows him. So when the plague doctors go to "confirm" DrH, mafia is getting a list of all of the plague doctors.
Fishball seems less dangerous compared to what DrH can do if hes mafia. Fishball has to be able to stay consistent in the PMs in the circle and in the thread, and we will be able to check on him in two ways, especially with his activity level.
Moving his vote to Fishball. Reasonable play and he gives valid reasons for it. his problem with me assumes the existence of a role that could or couldn't exist and it seems like a sort of specific concern because (unlike suicide bombers and other potential roles that have brought concern) I don't recall a role like this in any previous mafia game PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
On October 31 2010 10:29 Misder wrote:
Well, if youngminii survived the lynch... I would say that he needs to roleclaim or we get a dt to check him. If its a blue role that avoids lynching- he needs to say so now and I feel a complete roleclaim is necessary from him. And even if he says hes blue- dt should check him.
Him being mafia would probably be a bit OP since then the only way that young could die would be by vig hit or another town KP role (unless he can only avoid lynching once...)- either way, young should be scrutinized.
Fishes for a roleclaim. He qualifies it but this is pretty clear fishing IMO.
On October 31 2010 10:33 Misder wrote:
Is the bodygaurd's only extra function to prevent any mafia hits on the mayor?
Valid question.
On October 31 2010 23:23 Misder wrote:
But youngminii knows why he didn't get lynched, right? Wouldn't it be more benefitial to the town if young told us if this was a one time thing or a permanent thing for avoiding a lynch? If he doesn't tell us, town lacks the information, and because of how young has been posting, we may consider another day to lynch him. But that would be a waste of time if young is immune. I'd say young is most likely mafia if he doesn't answer whether or not this was one time or permanent or multiple.
So young, how often can you dodge a lynch (one time, multiple times, permanently, etc.)?
More fishing.
On November 01 2010 01:19 Misder wrote:
I'm pretty sure that DC didn't roleclaim bodygaurd. I think his role has something to do with knowing what each role does; at least that was what I got out of it. Maybe he is bodygaurd, but I'm pretty sure DC is smart enough to spoil it to the mafia.
Everyone seems to agree that his claim was a bodyguard softclaim. LSB and Artanis earlier clarified in the thread that no one knows what roles are in this game or what they do, so your conclusion is what would appear to be an impossibility.
On November 01 2010 07:37 Misder wrote:
@Ace
I didn't try fishing out his entire role. I am just seeing if he knows if he can dodge lynches, and if so how many. I thought it was beneficial to town, as we would understand more of the game mechanics + reason why the young lynch didn't go through + future reference if we decide to lynch young again.
That being said, I'm not afraid of being checked. I would almost encourage it.
@Lexpar's post
Hmmm... Everyone is negative about this post, and so am I. But maybe its part of his role; or something happened between the two. Pretty much unlikely, as that would mean that his role is able to PM or that his role is shown to the mayor, but its insane mafia. Clarify please, Lexpar,
Tells Ace he isn't fishing and then fishes on Lexpar lol
On November 01 2010 08:34 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:29 Node wrote:
I'm mostly worried about the presence of a suicide bomber in the game, but I suppose I can't do much else seeing as I'm not in a PM circle.
DCLXVI is going to die tonight. Is this for certain? Do you know how hes going to die? Is it possible for a doctor or a medic or whatever role its called in this game to protect him so he doesn't die?
These are questions on everyones mind. I have no problem with this.
On November 01 2010 08:49 Misder wrote:So three people died tonight, Remember that one post of Artanis where he said that mafia has 2+1 KP? That must mean that mafia had access to that extra 1 KP. Whether or not that can be accessed every day, we do not know (it might be that they can only have extra every other day or something like that), but maybe we can find out what role that gains that extra 1 KP. I think its the Giant Potato, but its hard to tell in the night post. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:19 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 08:10 LSB wrote:During the night, hardly anyone can sleep. It wasn't just all the trick or treaters, everyone was busy doing something. One poor dude? He arrived at the wrong person’s home (some idiot kidnapped the people) and proceeded to become gagged and tied up. As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy Annul decided to stalk his favorite person. However, after he put on his black clothes, black mask, and black gloves. Someone helped him by wrapping a black scarf around his neck. Killing him.
Afterwards a completely different person arrived, played on the tire swing for a while, and left. I'm pretty sure both bolded parts are the describing Annul and his death. So someone switched places with him (kidnapped?). I think we have to be careful of the guy who switched places with him. If we get any references to similar activities between one person and Annul, we can almost gaurantee that that person is mafia.
First paragraph doesn't say much except he thinks the extra KP might have to do with the giant potato. Although why do you think this? Doesn't it seem more likely the extra KP was used on BrownBear considering the special circumtances surrounding his death? especially considering Node's supposed role everything about it seems quite "separate"
On November 01 2010 08:54 Misder wrote:
@Node
Why were you informed that BB would die so late last cycle, but now you are informed that DXC is going to die so early in this cycle?
He already answered this earlier iirc
On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death.
Again you refer to a mafia role that knows who visited them. Wouldn't that make DXC the mafia since he would be the one being visited?
Obviously there is a correlation between the BB death and DXC death and it's that node was told ahead of time : /
On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this.
Brings up the possibility of DXC being mafia which was implied in his last post. However it seems with this post that he is discouraging people from visiting DXC rather than to visit him. If Misder was mafia and DXC was the mafia role (that knows who visited them) that misder has already referenced a few times, this doesn't seem like a logical play to me. This post doesn't come off scummy to me at all.
On November 01 2010 09:17 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? The risk that it may be a set up by the mafia (less likely now, discussed later in the post). And that it would be a waste (remember, his role says that DXC is going to die, which implies that there is no way to save him). Note that I wrote my post before I read Node's latest posts. So Node seems to be hinting that there is a list that the mods have that kills people one by one. Quickstriker was first, then BB, then DXC. This seems like a random list, as Quickstricker was inactive and not a target that mafia would want to kill, and BB was pretty inactive too and also not a target that mafia would want to kill. DXC is someone that mafia would want to kill as he softclaimed bodygaurd, but if we follow the pattern, it isn't the mafia that chooses this list. This also implies that Node is town, and isn't setting this up.
I have nothing to disagree with here, good post.
On November 01 2010 09:25 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:17 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? Everything points to DC being town, except: 1) he softclaimed bodyguard (by correcting Artanis on the definition, no less), when there was no good reason to do so. He then pretty much said it was intentional by saying "Artanis just confirmed my role." There's no good reason to do this as a townie. 2) He softclaimed bodyguard, and a (the only?) bodyguard just died. His softclaim of bodyguard has yet to be confirmed by him. If he has a reason to do it as a townie I'd like him to tell us. He certainly has explaining to do, as well as Aeres, considering Annul was a bodyguard. On November 01 2010 09:17 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? The risk that it may be a set up by the mafia (less likely now, discussed later in the post). And that it would be a waste (remember, his role says that DXC is going to die, which implies that there is no way to save him). Note that I wrote my post before I read Node's latest posts. So Node seems to be hinting that there is a list that the mods have that kills people one by one. Quickstriker was first, then BB, then DXC. This seems like a random list, as Quickstricker was inactive and not a target that mafia would want to kill, and BB was pretty inactive too and also not a target that mafia would want to kill. DXC is someone that mafia would want to kill as he softclaimed bodygaurd, but if we follow the pattern, it isn't the mafia that chooses this list. This also implies that Node is town, and isn't setting this up. I feel that he is likely town. Considering the potential danger of his role if he is mafia it's best to keep an eye on his posts closely, but I don't have any strong suspicions about him and I think his response to my initial proposition of the possibility that he could be mafia was fairly strong. It could be an RNG'd list but I feel like it might be some sort of conditional kill. BrownBear's death said "he died for being good" that seems important to me and makes it seem unlikely that he was killed purely randomly. About the list- how can it be conditional? If everything Node says is true... then BB was "next in line". Unless its based on # of posts or when they post, then the mods wouldn't have been able to choose the next target on the list cause they can't predict the future actions.
Assuming its a list. I already responded to this post specifically and I don't want to be redundant here.
On November 01 2010 09:29 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. This is not unlikely. Mafia knew that DH was going to try to confirm himself tonight by night action. So if there is a roleblocker in the game, mafia would probably make the easy decision to block him. On the other hand, DH is still not confirmed...
Pretty obvious stuff, doesn't bring anything new to the table. Doesn't come off as either scum or town to me.
On November 01 2010 09:31 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote:
I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?
We can trust DocH. We should work with him. Any reason for this? DH, do you know the role of Lexpar?
Possible attempt to see if I can reveal Lexpars role which he fished for earlier.
Conclusion:
Aside from the role fishing and occasional inconsistency nothing jumps off the play as particularly scummy. He makes some good points and arguments and is posting pretty reasonably and hasn't attacked anybody in particular or made a strong attempt to make anybody look bad. The only other thing that made me feel uncomfortable was the fact that he brought up this specific mafia role that may or may not exist several times and centered a few of his arguments around it.
I don't feel that Misder is definitely mafia but the dude needs to stop trying to get people to roleclaim. Due to the fishing, Misder definitely needs to be watched. I don't want to put the FoS on you but maybe the Eye of Suspicion or in laymans terms "I'm watching you, bro."
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On November 01 2010 09:53 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked. Did you receive any other night actions? Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv. how fucking convenient.
even more convenient that your post basically says nothing at all!
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On November 01 2010 10:12 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:06 Ace wrote:
Now before this action happens ask yourself how strongly you believed in Dr.H being pro-town. If you believed so then there's a damn good chance he indeed was roleblocked. No need to keep wondering about what if's or who's playing a trick on you. A confirmed townie is dangerous and if Dr.H is telling the truth then Scum would indeed want to roleblock him. Note that the mafia didn't aim for either of the two people who roleclaimed bodyguard (DC, Aeres). How badly do the scum want to get rid of DrH?
It makes sense that they wouldn't hit Aeres considering he claimed he could also protect himself.
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On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK.
I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case.
I was very aware of the possibility of a roleblock and didn't bring it up because I wanted to soak them up if the mafia decided I would be the prime candidate for a roleblock. I didn't want to bring that up initially because I didn't want to give the mafia that information but now that you're grilling me on it I suppose I should.
I admitted this earlier actually, read the last few pages.
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The following is still true:
-if my poke goes through, it confirms my identity to the player that receives it
the player that receives a poke can lie and say "they did not receive a poke"
-it is a night action, this was clear as soon as I claimed my role, and it is obvious that it is subject to things like commuter, bus driver, roleblocker, w/e
-I anticipated the fact that I would be a prime candidate for a roleblocker, soaking up roleblocks on my poke, freeing up other roles that are potentially much more powerful to act
-once the conversation began about my possible insanity and the possibility of any roles insanity (confirmed even further by orgoloves death) i think the idea of 100% confirmation pretty much fell through the cracks and it isn't something I held onto. It's possible that the whole poke is a lie, that it never goes through, and that the role is designed to make me think I can confirm myself to others when nothing actually happens
-I acknowledged throughout my campaign multiple scenarios in which my role could be compromised by different scenarios involving various amounts of insanity
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On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0%
re read the sentence
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Analysis of NB:
NB starts off with this
On October 29 2010 07:27 NB wrote:
no rule list, no ratio town/mafia... no NOTHING,... THIS IS INSANE >.<
btw, for the record: Dr.H has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia xD...
Not really an accusation but it doesn't exactly make me look good...
On October 29 2010 08:48 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mafia has 2+1KP. Bodyguards are common in mayor games in which as long as they are alive, they will protect the mayor. 2+1 kp? that means they have 3 or 2 and 1 special? @_@
Fair question. Mafia would know the answer to this and would have no reason to ask unless they wanted to look town by asking (it's kind of an obvious answer so I wouldn't discount that possibility)
On October 29 2010 09:37 NB wrote:
my opinion on who should get to be major:
if Mr.A is major, after that night he still survive => he must be mafia => got lynched on the next day
in another word voting for major is like voting for someone who should die in the next day.
Noticed that if the major is just town, Mafia could easily kill him on day 1 no problem :3....
Also i wana confirm: after 1 major die, could we vote for a new one or we just move on without 1?... i love the idea of voting for a new one.
None of what you said in this post makes sense. This is a post designed to goad town into killing the mayor. However it seems this entire post is based on several gross misunderstandings of the rules of the game.
On October 29 2010 09:50 NB wrote:
im confused... so bodyguard(s) is a role? T_T
(a mafia should read this post and assume that im not a bodyguard and they wont kill me :3)
The second part of this post is dumb. But he is operating on the assumption that bodyguards are predetermined so it kinda makes sense.
On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
also: can a bodyguard be a mayor? and what if it happen?
@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1
More questions for the mod
On October 29 2010 10:10 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
also: can a bodyguard be a mayor? and what if it happen?
@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1 in a game with bodyguards, bodyguards are selected after the election, not before so mayor cannot be a bg please explain more on this, im REALLY confused... i wana be mayor but i cant be a role without understanding it first >.<
more questions.
On October 29 2010 10:19 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 10:10 NB wrote:On October 29 2010 09:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 29 2010 09:52 NB wrote:
also: can a bodyguard be a mayor? and what if it happen?
@GM: also please clarify what you mean earlier about mafia has 2+1 KP? whats the meaning of +1 in a game with bodyguards, bodyguards are selected after the election, not before so mayor cannot be a bg please explain more on this, im REALLY confused... i wana be mayor but i cant be a role without understanding it first >.< if you dont understand the role you should not be it and i suggest no one ever vote for you that being said it usually works like this. mayor is elected and then x amount of townies are chosen at random and given the additional role of bodyguard. the mayor cannot be hit at night/rolechecked until all his bodyguards are dead. the bodyguards typically do not know who other bodyguards are. mafia can sometimes choose to have someone come in and become a bodyguard, which is very useful because if the other bodyguards are dead and the mafia bodyguard is not they can hit the mayor. or if the mayor is mafia he can have allied bodyguards. i assume all the selection method are done by GM right?... is there a wiki thread about the mayor role that i can read ?
still questions
On October 30 2010 07:17 NB wrote:
people are moving too fast, im having a hard time to catch up your conversation T_T
Worthless complaint. Nobody cares.
On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end!
First really scummy post.
You don't trust any group of towny? Why? mafia would have good reason to fear a well run circle.
"has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia" not even a point at all. So ignoring that you call me a veteran mafia and shitty towny. How am I a shitty towny, if, according to you I have never been towny?
"Those people who did bandwagon him could be mafia." no shit that is a statement that would apply to any candidate in the lead. And because of all of these moot points I'm his last choice. Ok.
On October 30 2010 09:18 NB wrote:@DR.h: dont get me wrong, im still reading the thread to catch up but that post was my current summary of my thought on the current situation @_@... i have yet decided to vote on anybody so if you can convince me that you are more worthy than the other, i will vote for you :D... again, no offends and please feel free to correct me  ...
Doesn't defend a single one of his points here (when I pointed out the issues in his posts saying essentially the same thing I'm saying now. Basically this entire post is meaningless it offers no new information.
It was your summary of your thought? really? Versus a summary of someone elses thoughts I guess.
On October 30 2010 09:52 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. i did not make that post while im thinking about the situation. i thought about it first and fishy + Dr.H are the 2 people that i cant trust. For pandain: he is the "left over" so i cant touch him since there is nothing clear against him. I should have analyze mr.fish and Dr.H b4 mentioning panda but what ever.... As you see im still voting for myself but anyone above so dont take that post as im accusing anybody
You don't really make any points here. Your first sentence is nonsense I don't even know what it means. You claim me and fishball can't be trusted and provide no reasoning. You then give soft support for Pandain with out really providing good reasoning other than "he isn't dr.h or fishball"
On October 30 2010 09:56 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:52 NB wrote:On October 30 2010 09:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end! Your logic for electing Pandain is pretty flimsy. We want a mayor who: 1) Is a good analyzer and an experienced town player 2) Can be scrutinized or somehow confirmed as a townie. 3) Has a role that requires protection Now, ideally we get a mayor who is strongly all three (and ends up being townie under scrutiny). DrH, according to his posts, satisfies 2 and 3, especially 2, and I feel like he can carry out 1 as well. Fishball claims to satisfy 3, but his circle hasn't materialized, which makes me suspect him. Last in my book is Pandain, who claims SOFTLY to satisfy all 3. Emphasis on softly, because he only said he had a "valuable blue role" and could give "indirect confirmation." No real plan for action, unlike the other two candidates, as far as I saw. On top of that, you claim that DrH's bandwagon is suspect, but Pandain had an even larger bandwagon before DrH... why does that not trigger your red flag? It feels almost like you're fabricating reasons to put Pandain first and everyone else last. Odd, to say the least. I want to hear a bit more explanation on these points, NB. i did not make that post while im thinking about the situation. i thought about it first and fishy + Dr.H are the 2 people that i cant trust. For pandain: he is the "left over" so i cant touch him since there is nothing clear against him. I should have analyze mr.fish and Dr.H b4 mentioning panda but what ever.... As you see im still voting for myself but anyone above so dont take that post as im accusing anybody also about the pandain bandwagon: i have no clue what happen back then, i was having sc2 practice at that time so i didnt follow the thread AT ALL. im still reading backward atm T_T... My assumption is even though there was a bandwagon for pandain. The early bandwagon should not be weighted much as the later ones since people obviously have no clue whats going on and randomly vote. I will keep my eyes on the voting process from now till night1... i think keep track on the voting thread is much more usefull than this thread since there is no mind fuck going on around there
Excuse for doing/knowing nothing. The part about early bandwagon being less useful is very true.
On October 30 2010 10:33 NB wrote:question: arent we supposed to lynch someone at day1 or we can skip?.... we discuss a lot about election but no lynching which make me worried since this could be a trick of mafia to reduced our discussion time on lynching people
rule question
On October 30 2010 10:54 NB wrote:
while obama Dr.h and Mc.cain panda are debating.... fishy hillary is standing out and watch :>
worthless
On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3
Why would we protect you? Are you softclaiming an important role to draw medics? How can the mayor protect somebody? This post is nonsense.
On October 30 2010 12:25 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:16 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote:
so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3 I will protect you as i can't be killed during the game!. I will always be there for you! Vote for me! are you implying the fact that you are a mafia so you can only be killed by lynching and if you become mayor you cant be lynched? @DrH: where is the love bro <3  .... no im joking, what can i do to make you trust me? :-j (this feels exactly like last game.....)
Why would Glasse imply he is mafia.
Worthless appeal to emotion on me.
On October 30 2010 13:05 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 12:58 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 12:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote:On October 30 2010 12:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if glasse is invincible he shouldn't be mayor, it's a waste of the bodyguard mechanic What if i take all the hits for my bodyguards? That makes many ppl invincible as well! On October 30 2010 12:31 annul wrote:
god may not be able to kill you but the mods can! We'll see about that! Vote Glasse! Insane mayor 2010! My understanding of the bodyguard is that if the mayor is hit, the bodyguard doesn't die, but that the bodyguard must be killed before the mayor can What if i am invincible due to bodyguards? DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I could also be an invincible body guard, who protect his own bodyguards. Think about it, its so insane it could be true! Glasse for mayor! i think you miss understood the bodyguard mechanic... mayor cant be a bodyguard
Clarification.
On October 30 2010 13:42 NB wrote:
This game is freaking anoying to play compare to haunted mafia which has double the number of players... Reason? So many people wana become mayor for their own goods while the other people try to fuck the game over....
everyone need to drink a chill pill and review the picture from the beginning... where ever we are heading at, i see we are being split into multiple small groups and fight each other... They only has 9 mafia so calm down!!!
>so many people wana become mayor for their own goods while the other people try to fuck the game over
What do you mean for their own goods? You were interested in running yourself you said earlier. Who are "other people"?
As far as asking everybody to calm down. This isn't necessarily a town or a scum tell, both factions could have reasons to do so.
On October 31 2010 07:08 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. you put in that list those people who you had personal conflict with and has nothing to do with the whole town. Typical Mafia action type. Since you most likely gona be mayor, it would said no more but the way you play the role is mostly "for your own goods" and i have to admitt that i dont like it. Its either gona be just like last game where you are mafia and accuse me for having mafia action or you are planing to kill 5 people base on the fact that you DONT LIKE them. oh well
What do you mean again by "for your own goods"?
On October 31 2010 07:22 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:08 NB wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote:
Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. you put in that list those people who you had personal conflict with and has nothing to do with the whole town. Typical Mafia action type. Since you most likely gona be mayor, it would said no more but the way you play the role is mostly "for your own goods" and i have to admitt that i dont like it. Its either gona be just like last game where you are mafia and accuse me for having mafia action or you are planing to kill 5 people base on the fact that you DONT LIKE them. oh well I never had a conflict with youngminii, we voted for the same candidate !!! Who do you suspect of being scum outside of that. I'm willing to listen to your list of suspects but right now it just looks like you're defending them and yourself by attacking me ;o my suspect list: people who voted for fishball: youngminii orgolove Fishball people who bandwagon to you: Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] voting for pandain: Nemesis Coagulation and lastly: Dr.H and pandain. The fact that you, fishball and pandain are mafia or at least 1 of you HAS TO BE mafia is too obvious. there is no way mafia would let all the mayor candidates are town, at least 1 of them has to be mafia. At i said earlier when i first understand about mayor role: mayor candidates are most likely be killed. The fact that the amount of influence you 3 have on people are just huge and mafia either gona try to take control of that power or send spy into your groups. This is clearly why i dont want to vote for any of you since im quite lack of communication atm. My only way to get a clear information about what is going on in this game is base on the voting thread since there are too much mind fuck in this thread. There are clearly groups of players who are communicating with each others and since im not belonging to any of those groups, i would like to stay out, take my time and consider stuff instead of posting stupidly and back stab myself later. The above list is not final! i do have more supspect but the main problem is i have no clue who i should NOT suspect.!
what is your suspect list? Is it people who voted for fishball, who bandwagoned to me, or who voted for pandain? That doesn't really say anything ;o
>There is no way mafia would let all the mayor candidates are town, at least 1 of them has to be mafia
I brought up this possibility before. Mayor is underpowered in this game compared to previous games and there are a few reasons mafia might not have a mayoral run. When I first brought this up somebody else immediately attacked me for it, I don't remember who but I think it was infinitestory. I'll confirm this.
You don't want to do any analysis based on the thread, just votes. This is an excuse for not posting much or a "well i dont have to explain what im doing because this whole thread is a mindfuck".
It isn't even clear who you suspected in this post.
On October 31 2010 08:41 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Have we solidified a day one lynch? I feel like this should be our highest priority right now, we've only got a few hours left. I'm still suggesting youngminii because of his scummish posts. Although I feel like Kenpachi would be a good lynch as well, the possibility that he's afk or something gives him enough reasonable doubt that I don't think he should go day one. i asked the GM... he said mayor get to lynch 1 person day1, from day2 on its voting
fair clarification
On October 31 2010 08:46 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 08:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Someone wasn't happy. He picked his nose and threw a booger at the anonimous mafia voter. In shame, the mafia quickly ran out, his vote negated. check this out.... it seems like 1 mafia has been spotted :D
Good to bring this to our attention.
On October 31 2010 09:27 NB wrote:
Masq, please explain your action....
and how you guys could be so active at this game while day9 is casting? :<
useless post
On October 31 2010 10:13 NB wrote:
modkill mafia, FUCK YEAH xD
useless
On October 31 2010 10:18 NB wrote:
what if they have 2 people with a same role...... which means Dr.H could be mafia?....
fair proposition
On October 31 2010 10:23 NB wrote:
ok, lets discuss our night action, who will most likely being killed by mafia?
"tell us what you're gonna do medics"
On October 31 2010 14:52 NB wrote:
im confused.... so what is dr.H role again? i missed that post some where?
Yeah you missed a huge amount of pages of discussion about it.
On November 01 2010 05:20 NB wrote:guys, i might be afk for the next 24 hours due to homeworks... just throwing it out there for those of you who like to know
identical excuse for inactivity that immediately follows the excuse of another player before him
On November 01 2010 08:11 NB wrote:
wow, mafia is hitting on Veteran players @_@
yep.
On November 01 2010 08:42 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 08:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's possible I was roleblocked in that case. On November 01 2010 08:37 Lexpar wrote:
Same. On November 01 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote:
It's possible i was roleblocked too then :3 wtf. If I poke and I don't get a PM response from the mod then it is supposed to mean my poke was successful and they don't have murrayitis. If I am roleblocked then I might not be made aware which would trick me into thinking I confirmed to a player when nothing actually happened. or you could be the god father pretending to be a nurse....
You never clarified what you meant by this. What does being a nurse have to do with it? What?'
NB's posts fall into that awful grey area that I hate between really bad townie or mafia. I have a hard time telling.
Considering his constant questions to the mod, complete and gross misunderstanding of what is going on in the thread, I'm perhaps leaning toward "bad townie". Mafia would be more controlling of what he posts but then again they could have an advantage from him playing the way he is so this is a bit of a WIFOM. His posting is pretty consistent with his micro mafia game in which he played very poorly and always seemed confused but was indeed town aligned.
His posting behavior is characterized by:
poor understanding of the rules
arguments/points that he won't support and then later makes excuses for not supporting
spam
erratic posting/nonsensical arguments
NB is a player that must be closely monitored. It is very easy to see how these posts could be scummy but he could very well just be a bad towny (and his past experience supports this possibility)
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On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position.
No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory.
I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch.
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On November 01 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:
In addition, now your casting serious doubt as to whether node is really what he says he is. But, why would he lie?
Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there.
I merely said it's an easy role to fake and could set up a lot of potential mafia plays. His claims shouldn't merely be accepted at face value. I never even put an FoS on him or anything.
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On November 01 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. No. If my night action succeeds, it 100% confirms itself to the player that is poked. If I am roleblock my night action doesn't succeed. I'm talking about if it succeeds it's a for sure confirmation, roleblocking is irrelevant to what I'm saying infinitestory. I'm a man of my word. If the town thinks I made up my role and that I am scum then obviously I'm the best choice for a lynch. Alright I believed you. I believed you for a while because you said "Don't worry, as soon as I'm elected I can confirm myself ASAP." But now I'm highly in doubt as to whether you are really town. For starters, your not a man of your word, kindly pointed out by coag. What you're doing is actually quite smart from a mafia perspective. Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.Show nested quote +am offering myself for lynch if the information I'm giving is found to be unreliable. So as mafia here, I'm sacrificing myself. my scumbuddies, and making claims that I cannot fulfill.
An utterly retarded thing to do. Not to mention the fact that being mayor barely benefits mafia in this case. The only real benefit is immunity to vig hits and the second vote. You make bold claims like this to get elected, and then can easily back out when you claim to be roleblocked. Since we don't know what roles there are, it's a perfect scam. We have no way of knowing if your telling the truth. This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely.It's this post that really got me though. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The following is still true:
-if my poke goes through, it confirms my identity to the player that receives it
the player that receives a poke can lie and say "they did not receive a poke"
-it is a night action, this was clear as soon as I claimed my role, and it is obvious that it is subject to things like commuter, bus driver, roleblocker, w/e
-I anticipated the fact that I would be a prime candidate for a roleblocker, soaking up roleblocks on my poke, freeing up other roles that are potentially much more powerful to act
-once the conversation began about my possible insanity and the possibility of any roles insanity (confirmed even further by orgoloves death) i think the idea of 100% confirmation pretty much fell through the cracks and it isn't something I held onto. It's possible that the whole poke is a lie, that it never goes through, and that the role is designed to make me think I can confirm myself to others when nothing actually happens
-I acknowledged throughout my campaign multiple scenarios in which my role could be compromised by different scenarios involving various amounts of insanity So now you're saying the poke may not even exist. Basically, what your saying is "the mods are lying about my role". That's just like saying "OOPS! This is what my role REALLY does." very scummy in my eyes. I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.Finally, if you anticipated the fact you could be roleblocked, why did you constantly claim you could confirm yourself to be 100%. As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.Things just don't add up.
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On November 01 2010 11:07 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:01 Pandain wrote:
In addition, now your casting serious doubt as to whether node is really what he says he is. But, why would he lie?
Assuming we act upon it, we send a medic to go protect him. If, as you say, they then have a secret suicide bomber(btw its not that great to say "well what if they have this role! Therefore, in this unlikely scenario this could occur, therefore he is a fake." At most we lose 1 medic, but then we catch a mafia, and have so much information from there.
I merely said it's an easy role to fake and could set up a lot of potential mafia plays. His claims shouldn't merely be accepted at face value. I never even put an FoS on him or anything. But then: 1.Why would he say whos gonig to get hit before the night ends, therefore leaving open the possibility of a failed hit 2.The fact at worst we'll lose a medic but catch a mafia and suicide bomber.
1. To set up a suicide bomb or to anticipate medic action. I'm not sure if mafia have a poisoner but if they have a role that does a delayed hit or has a fail condition they could fake the latter scenario.
2. No. What if all of our medics visited that person and a few other blues? It could be much worse.
You seem awfully intent on defending a player I never accused and even said I feel is likely a town player.
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On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses.
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On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did?
EBWODP
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On November 01 2010 11:14 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +
Coag didn't catch me lying. I was somehow prevented from taking my confirmation action, it's as simple as that.
But how do we know that? The fact is you claimed to have a 100% way of confirming yourself as town, and now that is cast aside. That is why you were elected mayor. Show nested quote +This isn't an easy back out at all. I'm not claiming I was roleblocked. Jcarls could be lying, he could have been bussed, or I could have an insane role that cannot poke at all. If I were to be faking roleblocks the entire time that would require me to have made up my role, a scenario which my posting history shows to be highly unlikely. Oh yes, because definitely Jcarls would be lying about this. Or the fact that mafia just somehow knew jcarl would be picked, and again don't defend yourself by claiming you don't know the role. As for faking the role, I highly believe you are a godfather. Obviously, if it exists, it would be used on the mayor canidate. Show nested quote +I'm not saying they are lying about my role or anything like that. I'm accepting the possibility that my role could be an insane. A possibility originally brought up by OTHER players and a possibility which no player in this game should ignore in regards to anyones role or their own role.
So they just gave you a townie role? that is the basis of your role, they wouldn't lie about that. Again, what's happening here is now your claming your role is different, which while somewhat plausible in this set up, definitely suscipcious and too easy an excuse.Show nested quote +As I said earlier, I anticipated the fact that I could be roleblocked and didn't bring it up because soaking up all the roleblocks would be advantageous to the town.
Having an unconfirmed mayor is advantageous to the town? Especially when that mayor promised he would be 100% confirmed, and that is why he became mayor?
It's not cast aside. I have a 100% way of confirming myself. If the poke goes through, it confirms me to the player I poked. If it's blocked, then it's blocked. That doesn't mean the poke doesn't exist or doesn't work at all unless my role is insane.
Why the soft defense of Jcarls? He could very well be lying. I'm not accusing him of it and I think it's more likely I was roleblocked but it sounds like you don't even want to consider the possibility.
You believe I'm godfather? Did I then make up the role of sticky? Do you think my role exists or that I'm faking everything Pandain?
I'm not claiming my role is different. I'm claiming I could be. It's idiotic to call this an excuse, this applies to all of us. Your role could be something other than you think it is, some of the mechanics could be fake, there could be deception in it. Orgoloves role description on his death PROVED this was a possibility beyond a shadow of a doubt. Stop trying to make it look like I'm changing my role, I'm accounting for the fact that it could be insane.
No having an unconfirmed mayor isn't advantageous. Having a mayor soak up all the roleblocks for the town is advantageous. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it a different point.
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On November 01 2010 11:15 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 11:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 11:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 10:46 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:40 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 10:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 10:25 Coagulation wrote:
DOCH is not a shitty player there is no fucking way he got blindsided by something as simple as a ROLEBLOCK. I have a 100% way to confirm myself to another player through my night action if it goes through, this is still the case. that's not really 100% at all if you're roleblocked, it's more like 0% re read the sentence I read it fine the first time. You say this is still the case, and it is. But that is NOT what you claimed. On October 30 2010 09:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I am saying I am 100% able to prove I have a not scummy role and if I am found in any way to be lying, the town can lynch me. You don't have to take me at my word but this is a huge gambit I'm taking with a very small payoff if I am mafia.
I'm now worried that you duped us in order to get into the mayor position. Yes, it does seem that Dr.H deceived us, but honestly, do you think all of the Mayoral candidates were going to tell the whole truth? I'm not sure we should want to kill him until he legitimately has a chance to prove himself. He is offering a lot of good analyses. I think the deception is more likely to come from your end. What is to stop you from saying "oh no I didn't get the poke" when you actually did? I'm sorry, but are you using a chainsaw defense on the player you poked because you thought him most likely to be town? That doesn't add up.
I'm not accusing him, I'm saying he could be lying. Why are you defending him? You don't think this is a possiblity?
You all seem very comfortable with the idea of me being a liar when jcarls lie is much simpler and easier to make. But as soon as I bring up that possiblity I get slammed for it? Seriously?
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