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If you are roleblocked, will you be told by a mod in a PM or will your action simply not go through?
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It's possible I was roleblocked in that case.
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On November 01 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's possible I was roleblocked in that case. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote:
It's possible i was roleblocked too then :3 wtf.
If I poke and I don't get a PM response from the mod then it is supposed to mean my poke was successful and they don't have murrayitis. If I am roleblocked then I might not be made aware which would trick me into thinking I confirmed to a player when nothing actually happened.
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On November 01 2010 08:42 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:On November 01 2010 08:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
It's possible I was roleblocked in that case. On November 01 2010 08:37 Lexpar wrote:
Same. On November 01 2010 08:39 Glasse wrote:
It's possible i was roleblocked too then :3 wtf. If I poke and I don't get a PM response from the mod then it is supposed to mean my poke was successful and they don't have murrayitis. If I am roleblocked then I might not be made aware which would trick me into thinking I confirmed to a player when nothing actually happened. or you could be the god father pretending to be a nurse....
why don't you explain that one there NB!
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On November 01 2010 08:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Well this is confusing.
So now, most of the game revolves around DrH.
If he manages to lynch a red tonight, we can be pretty sure he's townie.
Either way, the Mafia can either
- go for him, since he's the mayor and one bodyguard is dead
- not go for him, since if he lynches townies and we get a few more of these incriminating posts, the townies might turn against him eventually.
My main concern is that we really don't know if we should trust DrH or not. I was hoping on his poke revealing something, but he got (conveniently) role-blocked.
We should have some form of trust going on, but there's nothing of the kind.
I just hope some sort of Mafia dies, or we're gonna be sinking fast.
The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up.
Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes.
Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker.
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On November 01 2010 08:44 Glasse wrote:
Somebody obviously has reason to think dr is red from what we seen from the post. I'd like to know who and why though :3
you said I was your #1 scum suspect near the end of the last day. I thought you thought i was red ;o
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On November 01 2010 08:48 Glasse wrote:
Yea i do think you are red, but its from my instinct.
I guess if the guy that made the message in the post was trying to look like me he could of said it to make everyone think it was me...
Why though? I feel like putting a message in the post is not a super power unless he can mess with other things in the whole day post.
Yeah I agree with the latter part.
Instinct doesn't mean much here. If anything it's a convenient way to point suspicion on me and then call it instinct to back out of explaining it. I don't think you're red in fact I had previous suspicions that you mayyyyy be the village idiot. Not sure now.
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Node's role is very easy to fake btw. If he is mafia he needs only to claim "this person will die and I know it" and then kill them that night.
If he is actually the suicide bomber this would be a very smart play.
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On November 01 2010 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Well this is confusing.
So now, most of the game revolves around DrH.
If he manages to lynch a red tonight, we can be pretty sure he's townie.
Either way, the Mafia can either
- go for him, since he's the mayor and one bodyguard is dead
- not go for him, since if he lynches townies and we get a few more of these incriminating posts, the townies might turn against him eventually.
My main concern is that we really don't know if we should trust DrH or not. I was hoping on his poke revealing something, but he got (conveniently) role-blocked.
We should have some form of trust going on, but there's nothing of the kind.
I just hope some sort of Mafia dies, or we're gonna be sinking fast. The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up. Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes. Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker.
could you please respond to this Cubed?
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On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart
If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up.
If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well:
if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits
this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really.
since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it?
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On November 01 2010 08:54 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Well this is confusing.
So now, most of the game revolves around DrH.
If he manages to lynch a red tonight, we can be pretty sure he's townie.
Either way, the Mafia can either
- go for him, since he's the mayor and one bodyguard is dead
- not go for him, since if he lynches townies and we get a few more of these incriminating posts, the townies might turn against him eventually.
My main concern is that we really don't know if we should trust DrH or not. I was hoping on his poke revealing something, but he got (conveniently) role-blocked.
We should have some form of trust going on, but there's nothing of the kind.
I just hope some sort of Mafia dies, or we're gonna be sinking fast. The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up. Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes. Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker. Sure, you're the one who posted that you got role-blocked. You were supposed to poke me (you said so, if I recall correctly), which would have somewhat confirmed both our roles. You chose not to (and it's fair, you play the game however you want), and now nothing happened, but we're supposed to just believe that you actually DID something, but had no result. Why? And yes, since you are the mayor, you have the most influence over the town, and not just because of the double vote. You wanted this, you are now the leader, it's basically your responsibility to hone in on Mafia. That's the way I see it, at least. Mayor doesn't only come with perks. It's only normal that if you lynch townies, people will start to think you're red. Also: "He found that his door got duct taped over so he couldn't get out. Luckly for him, he wouldn't have arrived at the right's person's home (some idiot kidnapped the people). As he staggered around looking for help, another person decided to take his clothes, and replace them with a weird smelling rag. At least other people came and helped him, after prodding him for two hours. That poor guy."Why exactly are you assuming that it's either YOU got role-blocked or he's clean? Why can't it be that special actions on one guy (like jcarl) just won't work. I get the "door duct taped so he couldn't get out" but the rest of the text doesn't look like the other people got role-blocked. And in the end he's out of the house anyway, it doesn't make much sense.
I said "I may have been roleblocked". I never EVER said I got role-blocked.
I decided to stick with jcarlsoniv because I thought after your roleclaim there was a higher chance you would be visited by mafia, a murrayitis spreader, or that you would even be roleblocked yourself. I thought for my first confirmation the best target would be a lower key player I felt was most likely town.
I'm not assuming that. There could very well be another manipulative role. If I was jcarls didn't receive a PM that means my role was somehow stopped from working by one method or another. The roleblock seems likely, but jcarls also could have been bussed, commuted, hidden, or any other infinite amount of possibilities.
All I did is bring up the possibility that I was roleblocked in the case that jcarls didn't get a pm which he has yet to even confirm. That's all. I never claimed to know, I never assumed it happened or would happen, and you're putting a lot onto me that I never said or implied.
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On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death.
what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get
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On November 01 2010 09:05 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm only putting a lot on you because you're the mayor. Your actions count more than the others'. At least in my view.
I never said you said "for sure" that you got role-blocked, but you're the one that said that you could have had been role-blocked (god, English, stop being so twisted). So naturally, it made me suspicious.
Of all the people that I want to be sure of, you're the most important. I was hoping to be able to role-check you SOMEHOW (not necessarily by poking me), and if we can't, it's frustrating.
Even more so that we can't actually believe ANYTHING that's happening or anything that anyone says (even though they might believe it themselves).
So put all that together with the fact that we still no nothing about our mayor during day 2, makes me itch. I want something that I can be at least semi-confident in, in this insane game. I'm sorry if it seems like rage towards you, but as I said, I have most suspicion and most faith going towards you.
Because jcarlsoniv hasn't posted yet. Until he posts I can't make ANY conclusions about whether or not I may have been roleblocked or not.
You said "you posted that you got roleblocked", not that "You posted that you might have been roleblocked". Is that what you meant? Because if thats what you meant thats what you should have said.
What I meant by "putting a lot on me" is "implying I said things that I didn't say and drawing conclusions from my posts that I never came to in the first place".
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On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this.
Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia)
What is risky? Not having DXC die?
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On November 01 2010 09:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:42 CubEdIn wrote:
Well this is confusing.
So now, most of the game revolves around DrH.
If he manages to lynch a red tonight, we can be pretty sure he's townie.
Either way, the Mafia can either
- go for him, since he's the mayor and one bodyguard is dead
- not go for him, since if he lynches townies and we get a few more of these incriminating posts, the townies might turn against him eventually.
My main concern is that we really don't know if we should trust DrH or not. I was hoping on his poke revealing something, but he got (conveniently) role-blocked.
We should have some form of trust going on, but there's nothing of the kind.
I just hope some sort of Mafia dies, or we're gonna be sinking fast. The second part here is possibly a BIG slip up. Firstly, the mayor only decides the lynch on day 1. From now on we as a town vote together. My vote is worth 2 votes. Secondly how do you know if I was roleblocked? I don't even know that for sure. jcarlsoniv is the only one who can confirm whether I was roleblocked or not. The only way you could know if I was roleblocked, is if you are the roleblocker. I'm not sure why you're trying to take so much out of what could have been a minor typo. It was you who told me earlier not to look at "unlikely situations" such as you actually being the Murrayitis source, but here you are trying to draw the conclusion that Cubedin is a roleblocker off of a couple words, despite the fact that he has not only given us the name of his role but the intricacies of it. Cubed revealed at least as much about his role as you did about yours, so he should get the same level of town cred, right?
No I never accused him of being mafia. I never even put down an FoS or said he's probably mafia. I'm saying that only the mafia would know who did or didn't get roleblocked (assuming roleblocker is a mafia role) and that because I didn't say I got roleblocked it was strange that he posted as though he was sure of my roleblock when I wasn't.
More than likely he just misunderstood what I was saying, which is totally understandable. I didn't tell people not to look at the situation that I might be spreading murrayitis... in fact I even suggested plague doctors could visit the person I confirmed to make sure that wasn't the case. I said that several times.
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On November 01 2010 09:13 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:05 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm only putting a lot on you because you're the mayor. Your actions count more than the others'. At least in my view.
I never said you said "for sure" that you got role-blocked, but you're the one that said that you could have had been role-blocked (god, English, stop being so twisted). So naturally, it made me suspicious.
Of all the people that I want to be sure of, you're the most important. I was hoping to be able to role-check you SOMEHOW (not necessarily by poking me), and if we can't, it's frustrating.
Even more so that we can't actually believe ANYTHING that's happening or anything that anyone says (even though they might believe it themselves).
So put all that together with the fact that we still no nothing about our mayor during day 2, makes me itch. I want something that I can be at least semi-confident in, in this insane game. I'm sorry if it seems like rage towards you, but as I said, I have most suspicion and most faith going towards you. Because jcarlsoniv hasn't posted yet. Until he posts I can't make ANY conclusions about whether or not I may have been roleblocked or not. You said "you posted that you got roleblocked", not that "You posted that you might have been roleblocked". Is that what you meant? Because if thats what you meant thats what you should have said. What I meant by "putting a lot on me" is "implying I said things that I didn't say and drawing conclusions from my posts that I never came to in the first place". I understand what you're saying, but to me it makes no difference. If you are blue, then you really don't know if you got role-blocked or not, and neither do we, and we'll find out eventually. If you are red, then you could just imply that you could've been role-blocked (you don't need to say "oh I was surely role-blocked" when "umm, i think i may have been" will do just as well), and have the same outcome. So I understand you being annoyed for me trying to put words in your mouth, but in fact, I just meant that you're either trustworthy (and you really have no idea), or untrustworthy (and you can state/imply/hint at) whatever you want to draw suspicion away. I never elaborated on the fact that you knew you were role-blocked or not, I just said that (were you red), it would've been mighty convenient. I think that's the part of my original post that got misunderstood.
Alright. That's very fair.
Before we go any further with this I think it's best we wait for jcarlsoniv to post. We're talking way too much about the possibility of me being roleblocked when we can't possibly know until jcarls confirms that I poked him anyway.
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On November 01 2010 09:17 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? Everything points to DC being town, except: 1) he softclaimed bodyguard (by correcting Artanis on the definition, no less), when there was no good reason to do so. He then pretty much said it was intentional by saying "Artanis just confirmed my role." There's no good reason to do this as a townie. 2) He softclaimed bodyguard, and a (the only?) bodyguard just died.
His softclaim of bodyguard has yet to be confirmed by him. If he has a reason to do it as a townie I'd like him to tell us. He certainly has explaining to do, as well as Aeres, considering Annul was a bodyguard.
On November 01 2010 09:17 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? The risk that it may be a set up by the mafia (less likely now, discussed later in the post). And that it would be a waste (remember, his role says that DXC is going to die, which implies that there is no way to save him). Note that I wrote my post before I read Node's latest posts. So Node seems to be hinting that there is a list that the mods have that kills people one by one. Quickstriker was first, then BB, then DXC. This seems like a random list, as Quickstricker was inactive and not a target that mafia would want to kill, and BB was pretty inactive too and also not a target that mafia would want to kill. DXC is someone that mafia would want to kill as he softclaimed bodygaurd, but if we follow the pattern, it isn't the mafia that chooses this list. This also implies that Node is town, and isn't setting this up.
I feel that he is likely town. Considering the potential danger of his role if he is mafia it's best to keep an eye on his posts closely, but I don't have any strong suspicions about him and I think his response to my initial proposition of the possibility that he could be mafia was fairly strong.
It could be an RNG'd list but I feel like it might be some sort of conditional kill. BrownBear's death said "he died for being good" that seems important to me and makes it seem unlikely that he was killed purely randomly.
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On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town?
Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me.
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On November 01 2010 09:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:20 Misder wrote:
@DH
Earlier, you said you were going to poke the person you thought is most likely town. So why do you think that jcarls is town? Agreeable posts, good analysis, cool headed and logical. He didn't make a big roleclaim or bring a lot of attention onto himself and seemed for that reason to be a good target for me. Awwww that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me! ... on the internet... I didn't realize I was actually an important player in this game. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 08:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I would like to announce that last night I poked jcarlsoniv. I did not receive a PM from Artanis or LSB meaning the poke was successful and jcarlsoniv does not have murrayitis. I cannot confirm this Dr.H, I did not receive a PM from the mods saying I was poked.
Did you receive any other night actions?
Something stopped my poke from going through to jcarlsoniv.
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On November 01 2010 09:25 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:17 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? Everything points to DC being town, except: 1) he softclaimed bodyguard (by correcting Artanis on the definition, no less), when there was no good reason to do so. He then pretty much said it was intentional by saying "Artanis just confirmed my role." There's no good reason to do this as a townie. 2) He softclaimed bodyguard, and a (the only?) bodyguard just died. His softclaim of bodyguard has yet to be confirmed by him. If he has a reason to do it as a townie I'd like him to tell us. He certainly has explaining to do, as well as Aeres, considering Annul was a bodyguard. On November 01 2010 09:17 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:08 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 09:01 Misder wrote:On November 01 2010 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 01 2010 08:53 Glasse wrote:
Yea but now that our medics are suspicious of him he could easily waste his life on a single worthless blue(there has to be some stupid roles that don't do anything) for nothing
not very smart If he isn't suicide bomber he could simply be trying to set the bomber up. If mafia thinks we aren't going to send blues at the target Node set up then they just kill him confirming his "role". A win/win situation for mafia. Consider this as well: if he is mafia he would obviously know the alignment of every player (who is red and who is blue), keeping the targets he picks who will die that night blue in every case keeping up the illusion that he is predicting mafia hits this is a very easy role to fake for mafia. too easy really. since you've already claimed node why not just tell us the name of it? Adding on to this, it may even be a ploy to get medics (im just gonna call them that from now on) to protect DXC in which somehow the mafia members find out the doctors :/ I suggest that no one protect DXC and we find out tonight what causes his death. Theres got to be a cooralation between BB death and DXC death. what makes you think that would let us find out what caused his death? that's just an excuse for letting a town player die for the sake of information we might not get First of all, you don't even know that DXC is town. We don't even know if we can actually protect DXC. Even worse, if mafia set it up so that there is a bomb placed there that night which kills everyone that visits him, that would be detrimental. Ok, maybe we won't be able to determine the cause of the deaths, esp since there are no clues (I forgot about that). But to me, it just seems to risky. We have no info. We suspect that Node could be faking his role. I'm even thinking that the +1 KP comes from a predetermined mafia kill at the start of the day, and that if Node is mafia, he would know about this. Everything points to DXC being town in this case. No I don't know 100% that he is town. But if Node is telling the truth it seems the people dying are blues, not reds. If Node is a mafia lying about his role it doesn't make sense for them to single out red targets, it doesn't set up a possible play for the mafia in all likelihood (unless there is a mafia role that kills other mafia) What is risky? Not having DXC die? The risk that it may be a set up by the mafia (less likely now, discussed later in the post). And that it would be a waste (remember, his role says that DXC is going to die, which implies that there is no way to save him). Note that I wrote my post before I read Node's latest posts. So Node seems to be hinting that there is a list that the mods have that kills people one by one. Quickstriker was first, then BB, then DXC. This seems like a random list, as Quickstricker was inactive and not a target that mafia would want to kill, and BB was pretty inactive too and also not a target that mafia would want to kill. DXC is someone that mafia would want to kill as he softclaimed bodygaurd, but if we follow the pattern, it isn't the mafia that chooses this list. This also implies that Node is town, and isn't setting this up. I feel that he is likely town. Considering the potential danger of his role if he is mafia it's best to keep an eye on his posts closely, but I don't have any strong suspicions about him and I think his response to my initial proposition of the possibility that he could be mafia was fairly strong. It could be an RNG'd list but I feel like it might be some sort of conditional kill. BrownBear's death said "he died for being good" that seems important to me and makes it seem unlikely that he was killed purely randomly. About the list- how can it be conditional? If everything Node says is true... then BB was "next in line". Unless its based on # of posts or when they post, then the mods wouldn't have been able to choose the next target on the list cause they can't predict the future actions.
That's assuming there is a list and it isn't a conditional mafia kill or a different mafia killing power that kills ahead of time.
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