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Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
September 05 2010 04:48 GMT
#81
On September 05 2010 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Can only red army officers make accusations?


"LOGIC SYSTEM:
An officer (as well as other roles) may accuse anybody of having committed crimes"

can we accuse ourselves
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 05 2010 07:21 GMT
#82
divinek, if i recall, you play dumb when you are scum
that is what it feels like you are doing here
is there a reason for that, comrade?
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
September 05 2010 07:30 GMT
#83
What if somebody does not send in a judgement for an accusation? Is there mod action?
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 09:02 GMT
#84
On September 05 2010 12:44 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 03:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?


On September 05 2010 02:59 deconduo wrote:
On September 05 2010 02:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Comrade Hesmyrr is unfamiliar with mother Russia, it would seem. Suspicious comrades?

Agreed brother, quite suspicious indeed.



On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:
##Accusation

Hesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks! He knows nothing of our traditions or believes. Kill him now my comrades, and drink his blood and show it to our glorious leader Stalin!

+ Show Spoiler +
=D



I think we are being a little too hasty comrades! A death of a comrade is as harmful to Mother Russia as a death of an enemy is helpful. We should not turn upon each other just because we haven't found anything here yet! Control yourselves!


Russia can not be too hasty
You want to turn around?
You die by Russian Pistol!
I drink vodka and eat wolf meat as I bury you

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 05:57 SouthRawrea wrote:
On September 05 2010 05:41 Bill Murray wrote:
кто идет со мной?


Вы говорите смутно товарищ.

I might but I act sternly on traitorous scum with a go forward attitude and a pistol on my side

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 07:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Comrade, we have not jumped to conclusions. The peasant Hesmyrr is nothing to the glorious motherland. Comrade Stalin demands he suffer for his affront to Mother Russia!

I agree comrade we must fight to keep the hope and dreams of our glorious land in tact.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 07:36 SouthRawrea wrote:
[image loading]

Comrades! I bring your attention to the black box-like thing sticking out of the water! Perhaps this is an enemy submarine! We must not quarrel amongst ourselves, we barely know each other do we not? Let me introduce my self I am Rawrea, a proud member of the Red Army.

Journal Entry 1B

Upon the start of our exploration, there was some uneasiness among my comrades. Pandain had perhaps jested, as I do not know of his intentions, that Hesmyrr was an American. He then began to make a formal accusation. I do not yet know of Pandain's rank within the Red Army and whether or not that was an ill-mannered joke but it has definitely created uneasiness within the small group. Just now, Comrade Divinek had hinted at Comrade Pandain trying to create disorder for his ulterior motives. I will be much more on my guard as I had been attempting to stop this nonsense as I now suspect that one of us may try and take advantage of this to fulfill their own agenda. It is not hard to imagine a traitor or American amongst us because although we are supposedly comrades, none of us know each other and the mission itself is most strange. Many possible scenarios run through my head at the moment such as the higher-ups sending us here to sort out those who they think are traitors in an isolated situation. I would've been informed unless they suspect me as well. I trail on, sorry. Regardless, I should leave my paranoia behind me unless a clear sign that there is a traitor in our midst appears to me. I shall write more as I feel the need to.


I hope I understand how to do this for the glorious lands of Josef Djugashvili Stalin from the Crimea to the land which Finland naturally deprives from us and must be sunk into the sea beneath our fist,
but to suppose an american has infiltrated our wonderful country is blasphemy!

I also believe you to be this said "American" because you have been thinking about it.
I feel that you have made a slip by mentioning that at all.
I have only been thinking about Soviet Russia and fighting for my glorious country

##accuse SouthRawrea




You have the right idea but the wrong person imo.

Pandain accused Hesmyrr of being an american, southrawr was merely talking about the fact. While it is logical to assume the enemy of our glorious soviet nation is the vile USA, there has been no specific mention of this being the case. This is indeed suspicious.

BIG FoS Pandain
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 09:03 GMT
#85
On September 05 2010 03:01 Pandain wrote:
##Accusation

Hesmyrr is obviously a treachorous American sent in to inflitrate our ranks!


See above for the first mention of it.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 05 2010 12:00 GMT
#86
Consider for a moment my friends. We've been but a short time upon this isle. If there are indeed traitors among us, they would not be sticking their necks out at this early junction. In fact, given the setup in which we find ourselves, the best thing they could do is to lay low and hope to fly under the radar while we fling accusations at each other. Comrades Xelin and Zeks have yet to speak, and I would like to hear what they have to say.

With the voting hidden, there is very little reason for a capitalist to start up an accusation. They can sit back and vote yes on every accusation, and just hope that some go through. There will be basically no paper trail to follow.

Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 05 2010 12:14 GMT
#87
On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day



Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!

deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 12:29 GMT
#88
On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day



Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!



On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase?

^_^
I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.

XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
September 05 2010 13:41 GMT
#89
I'm here, was busy downing bottles of vodka and traveling round Moscow (it's not drink driving when car drives you!)

Does this game start in the day stage, and if so isn't there going to be a problem in first day accusations in that considering them "logical" will be abit of a stretch.
Adonai bless
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
September 05 2010 13:56 GMT
#90
On September 05 2010 16:21 Bill Murray wrote:
divinek, if i recall, you play dumb when you are scum
that is what it feels like you are doing here
is there a reason for that, comrade?


this.

are we supposed to be roleplaying?

divinek and SR are suspicious in my books. gut feeling from past experiences
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 05 2010 15:28 GMT
#91
On September 05 2010 22:41 XeliN wrote:
I'm here, was busy downing bottles of vodka and traveling round Moscow (it's not drink driving when car drives you!)

Does this game start in the day stage, and if so isn't there going to be a problem in first day accusations in that considering them "logical" will be abit of a stretch.

How is this setup different from the average-day-of-the-mill day 1? Except the fact that one should be cautious with accusations since votes are concealed, kind of pointless question if you ask me. I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM.

And no, we are not supposed to roleplay.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 05 2010 16:03 GMT
#92
On September 05 2010 21:29 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:
On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day



Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!



Show nested quote +
On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:
On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase?

^_^
I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.




That would be why I couldn't find it in the OP

I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM.


Hesmyrr has a good suggestion here. It gives a place for everyone to explain their reasoning, and at least gives us something to work with. Yes mafia will lie, but that isn't the point.

I opposed both the accusations so far.


Basically we have as many Day 1 lynches as we would like. In theory we can prevent the capitalists from ever firing a shot at night and simply lynch our way through the game. Yes we lose the NKVD, which is outrageously useful when PMs are involved, but is it a worthwhile tradeoff? Probably not. TL Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad, but at some point we would be gaining a lot of info in a short time. It's something to keep in mind though. On day 3ish we may just want to lynch our way through as many scummy players as we can, especially if the NKVD is already dead.

Thoughts? Anyone have any other potential plans? Anyone want to PM me?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 16:33 GMT
#93
On September 06 2010 01:03 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 21:29 deconduo wrote:
On September 05 2010 21:14 Radfield wrote:
On September 05 2010 12:26 LSB wrote:
Accusations are only open for 12 hours, and a comrad can only make one accusation per day



Where are you getting this information LSB? I don't see it anywhere in the OP? As far as I can tell, a comrade can make as many accusations as he would like. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!



On August 27 2010 13:40 Caller wrote:
On August 27 2010 12:50 LSB wrote:
Question. With all the possible accusations, isn't it possible to ensure that there is never a night phase?

^_^
I should probably have mentioned that you are only allowed one accusation a day.




That would be why I couldn't find it in the OP

Show nested quote +
I was wondering if we all should state what votes we are making publicly though when we send the PM.


Hesmyrr has a good suggestion here. It gives a place for everyone to explain their reasoning, and at least gives us something to work with. Yes mafia will lie, but that isn't the point.

I opposed both the accusations so far.


Basically we have as many Day 1 lynches as we would like. In theory we can prevent the capitalists from ever firing a shot at night and simply lynch our way through the game. Yes we lose the NKVD, which is outrageously useful when PMs are involved, but is it a worthwhile tradeoff? Probably not. TL Day 1 lynches are notoriously bad, but at some point we would be gaining a lot of info in a short time. It's something to keep in mind though. On day 3ish we may just want to lynch our way through as many scummy players as we can, especially if the NKVD is already dead.

Thoughts? Anyone have any other potential plans? Anyone want to PM me?


I think we should have no more accusations until some sort of agreement is reached. As I have said, due to hidden voting each wrong accusation runs the risk of giving the enemy an easy, free kill. While stating what we are voting is a good idea, ultimately people will just lie and we have no way of knowing who voted what.

For now I think we should just vote no on both current accusations and not start any new ones until we have more information. I particularly want to hear back from Pandain.

Do we know if we only have the one NKVD officer?

Finally, while PMing is allowed, be wary of who you talk to. Don't take anything for granted, and be careful of what information you give out.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 16:34 GMT
#94
Oh and I haven't voted on the accusations yet, I want to see what the accused say first. I'm pretty sure I will vote no though, and would encourage the rest of my comrades to follow. We can always just accuse them again later on.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
September 05 2010 16:34 GMT
#95
One point. We have fifteen accusations available day one (well 13 if you count the current ones) because of 1 accusation a day per player rule. It still doesn't mean it should be thrown around gratuitously, of course.

I am opposing SouthRawrea accusation for now (can I say 'no' to my own accusation? I don't know if it counts).
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 17:30 GMT
#96
Wait was BM being serious? I thought we were both joking O>O

Pandain would not want to see his fellow comrade die by his hands!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 17:50 GMT
#97
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).

Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.

Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 05 2010 17:57 GMT
#98
On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).

Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.

Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.


Wait the mafia have no kill power? That makes things interesting all right. Are you sure of this?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 05 2010 17:57 GMT
#99
On September 06 2010 02:57 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 02:50 Pandain wrote:
So here's what I say we do:
We make no accusations, whatsover. We let the NSVD work his way through checking everybody and then go with what he says. However, I'm thinking the NSVD should only claim like maybe after finding 2 scum(maybe even after checking everyone? n.n).

Than we lynch. The only problem I can see is that if there is a mafia role involving killing someone. I already PMed Caller and mafia themselves do not have the ability to kill someone. But roles are hidden so they might very well have a role that can kill people at night.

Either way, waiting at least until this day ends will both help stop an unnecessary death and let us wait until we see if the mafia have any really dangerous roles.


Wait the mafia have no kill power? That makes things interesting all right. Are you sure of this?

Well that's what caller said. I'm re pming him to make sure. Maybe he didn't understand questions?
If not, then there goes a certain win :/
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
September 05 2010 18:01 GMT
#100
Wait, the capitalists have no KP!? We should no-lynch today then, our NKVD starts up a circle around himself by checking people and then PMing them. Capitalists will be forced to fake NKVD. Eventually we get all the claimed NKVD to check each other, then lynch them all if they accuse each other of being capitalists. We find out which is legit, and have a big ol list of confirmed soviets which we roll with to the end of the game.

How can the capitalists win if they have no KP? Are there any capitalists? Are we on a wild goose chase looking for traitors when we are all loyal soviets?
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