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On September 24 2010 17:10 Incognito wrote: Relevant section of Ace's post here: Key word also. This means Ace pegged your teams too. Ace shows his cards here. He agrees that Team 1/7 are scummy. The way he phrases it shows that he independently arrived at his conclusion too and is not just sheepishly agreeing with me. I'm not assuming anything. I'm just stating facts. The facts are: Ace pegged your teams. Ace's death makes perfect sense when you see this fact. You ignored the second half of the sentence. or he's just good at picking off easy townies. I am seriously having doubts on whether or not you are town. What you are doing is taking small posts, and blowing them out of proportion. I would understand if this is RL mafia, Freudian slips apply, but in online mafia, people are able to write up their posts and edit them before they post them. As a veiled attack on Team 2 this is atrocious. Gonna accuse anyone who votes for your scumbuddy as bandwagoning? The evidence is pretty clear at this point. Uhh… Again, you like to ignore my previous posts in order to further your own point. I have stated that I will keep an eye out if Divinek starts to bandwagon. Guess what? He did. On September 24 2010 18:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Summary LSB acting shady not really contributing gets EXTREMELY defensive about an accusation then counter accuses someone, doesn't get behind the lynch of a very likely mafia candidate. Partner also acts suspicious (will get into in a minute) Verdict=mafia I’ll just quote this paragraph. Your entire ‘accusation’ was just a rehash of things I’ve addressed with Incog. Things like my supposed neutrality are brought up, and I have already addressed it. I would understand if you refuted my defense. But you didn’t do anything. You just pointed out someone else’s idea and slapped a vote on me. I can see why Pyrr wants to lynch you. And I’ll go with his judgment ##Vote: Team 6 BloodyC0bbler and RebirthOfLeGenD On September 24 2010 18:50 Incognito wrote: Simple. You think Team 6 is the most scummy team that isn't you or your scumbuddy. You have every incentive as mafia to go after a new team (Team 6), especially since the other option (Team 1) isn't so palatable from your point of view. Team 6 is pretty inactive, and you're going to have to save yourself somehow, so no reason not to vote Team 6. There are plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Team 6. The reasons just arent as good as the reasons for you or Team 1. I'll agree that a lot of Foolishness's "analysis" is sketchy and is a stretch. But there are some good points there. To all those saying Meeple never takes any stands, check out ALL of meeple's posts in TL Mafia XXVII. Not just the first 10 or so. He definitely contributes his thoughts about lynch targets/other characters. Here's a few excerpts: Meeple states his trust, states who to rolecheck, agrees/disagrees on lynching certain targets, and gives more input on the situation with the last quote. Notice how he consistently doesn't like lynching on inactivity. Notice how that contrasts with this game, where he wants to lynch BC based on uselessness/inactivity... Lastly, meeple was involved in a blue roles scheme. I know we don't have as complex blue roles this game, but meeple was certainly contributing in the other game. On the other hand, meeple has zero useful contributions this game. And no thoughts on lynch targets either. Except for team 6. kk I'll read through meeples posts with you. 1. No stand 2. No stand 3. No stand 4. No stand 5. No stand 6. Says that he thinks Ludwig and Radfield are mafia. There isn't that much anlysis 7. I agree! Very usefull contribution! After reading through all of that I don't see how you are still able to accuse meeple of being mafia. Meeple doesn't really commit to much. Understandable, not everyone wants to play this game 24/7. You point to his contribution (#7), and I agree. Thats great thinking by meeple. But you can't suddenly generalize everything off of it. | ||
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Me saying we should use the no lynch sometime is a statement of fact. I said that I notice a tool I can use. How is that a position on the lynch for the day? | ||
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On September 25 2010 06:58 Foolishness wrote: Is there anything in particular that makes you all want to kill team 6 over anyone else? I'm alright not killing team 7 at the moment, but you all seem to be voting for team 6 as a "well we need a team that's not team 7, okay let's go with 6" instead of thinking they're actually mafia. =I'm going to vote with Pyrr, this way we can make our votes count more. Of course, I have my own opinion too, and it supports pyrr's right now On September 23 2010 12:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @ this whole LSB vs. Incognito thing Incog and SR seem to be locked in on LSB because he is supposedly too passive. He's not close to the most passive person here. BrownBear hasn't done much except advocate a no lynch. More importantly, BC hasn't done shit. I don't believe BC has an "I don't care mode." I see his name pop up on MSN often enough. I called him out for his placeholder vote on Foolishness and he didn't ever come back around to move it. RoL, is of course active this game, but that's even weirder than an inactive BC. vote team 6 I can't really tell about the BC thing, I'll take Pyrr's word on it. But I've heard that he is a a really good player and it is really strange why he wouldn't be doing much. On the other hand, RoL Has been making really mafia ish posts. He seems somewhat active, but when we look at his long posts, they are mainly restatements of what other people has said. RoL is band-wagoning a lot of stuff. Well he didn't bandwagon me day 1, but that would be obvious as something was wrong with that bandwagon. Me flipping green would be seriously detrimental to the people who started my lynch. But now as we enter day two, RoL takes an easy path and Picks on Team 7, and us Team 1. Something that everyone else has done. In addition, he just does things that other people has done before. He makes 'analysis' but all he did was go through and reword Incog's attacks | ||
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1) Incog has good reason to kill Ace Look at this post On September 22 2010 09:33 Ace wrote: Clearly though, LSB has been posting god knows what and well I'm a little intrigued by this post of yours. I thought you were a good player so how could you actually believe this nonsense you just posted? The only thing worrying me is that Incognito seems to have pegged both your teams also which shows his scumdar is operating on great batteries like mine, or he's just good at picking off easy townies. Ace is initially saying that he suspects the same people as Incognito. However, at the same time, Ace notes that this is a really easy way to pick off townies. Incog has been taking little posts, and blowing them out of proportion. In fact, when I confront Incognito about this, he just brushes it off, and ignores it. On September 24 2010 17:10 Incognito wrote: Relevant section of Ace's post here: Key word also. This means Ace pegged your teams too. Ace shows his cards here. He agrees that Team 1/7 are scummy. The way he phrases it shows that he independently arrived at his conclusion too and is not just sheepishly agreeing with me. I'm not assuming anything. I'm just stating facts. The facts are: Ace pegged your teams. Ace's death makes perfect sense when you see this fact. Notice that Incognito doesn’t even address this fact. When I later pressure him he still tries to shift the focus. Incog has good reason to off Ace. Ace was the only one suspicious of his activities at that time. 2) Incog’s attack on me was engineered to persuade people who did not play with me in recent games First of all, look at Incog’s attack of me. He pulls out my rookie game, and then says that I am the planner in the group. Of course, if you’ve played with me, you’d know that I am an extremely cautious player. Indeed. Look at the final vote count for day 1 against me bumatlarge Team 2 Divinek Team 2 Infundibulum: Team 8 YellowInk SouthRawrea Team 2 The only person who wasn’t on team 2 (the team I was suspicious of), and team 8. (Incog’s team) was YellowInk, and YellowInk has never played with me before. I actually find it quite strange that Team 2 seems to follow Team 8 around a lot 3) Incog Attacks Team 7 because they are the easier target. Here is Incog’s initial attack of Team 7 On September 23 2010 18:52 Incognito wrote: A few posts back, I noted Pyrr's defense of YellowInk: My original post states that YellowInk's behavior is "interesting". My comment also implies that this "interesting" behavior is suspicious. In this post, Pyrr is being apologetic about YellowInk's behavior and is trying to justify it. Why is this weird? First of all, Pyrr hasn't really been directly defending people other than himself. In this post, he defends YellowInk directly, theorizing why YI would behave in such a way. Pyrr hasn't been defending anyone directly (although he has been saying we should give people time to respond before accusing aggressively (which in essence is its own type of defense)), yet pops up out of the blue to defend YellowInk. The most plausible reason why Pyrr did this is because YI is his other mafia teammate. Furthermore, in my original post, I merely stated that YI's behavior was "interesting". But Pyrr feels a need to defend YI preemptively. The are other possible reasons why Pyrr did this (like, he wanted to clarify a possibility), but these possibilities are improbable. Pyrr hasn't really been the clarifying type this game. He has had a far greater role raising questions about other teams: namely, Teams 2 and 6, and all of a sudden he pops up to clarify what someone was thinking? This is an out of place defense and certainly warrants heavy suspicion. Finally, the circumstances under which Pyrr defended YellowInk are out of place. Look at the posts of Pyrr and YellowInk and their relation to one another. On page 17, YellowInk says that he agrees with what people (presumably me?) had to say about Team 1's scumminess. He follows that with a vote on Team 1. He never changes that vote. Two pages later is Pyrr's post defending YellowInk. Pyrr is defending YellowInk even though YellowInk is voting for him. Now just think about that for a moment. Why would you defend someone who has voted for you? It doesn't make sense to defend someone who voted for you if you were a townie. The only reason why you would do that is if BOTH PLAYERS ARE MAFIA. Pyrr's defense of YellowInk confirms my suspicion that YellowInk didn't really want to lynch Pyrr and used meeple's no-lynch to effectively neutralize his vote. Pyrr wants to support YellowInk but overlooks the fact that YellowInk voted for him. Oh well, I'm happy with two easy mafia. First of all, Pyrr did not defend YellowInk. He merely tried to find an explanation for YellowInk’s actions. Secondly, this is completely an completely illigit accusation. Incog through a whole bunch of dirt on Me and Pyrr day one, and I find it really strange that he suffered a bout of ADHD, and decided to attack team 7 instead. His basic premise was that I was supposedly mafia (which was wrong in the first place), and in turn, Team 7 must be mafia. I believe the reason that he switched targets was that he thought that he couldn’t kill me, so hit picked someone that Foolishness would agreed on for a kill. Let’s look at the voting stats Incognito Team 8 Divinek Team 2 Foolishness Team 3 RebirthOfLeGenD Team 6 rastaban Team 3 bumatlarge Team 2 BloodyC0bbler Team 6 In reality, the only team who truly agreed with Incog was team 3, that’s because Incog chose the right person to attack. Team 8 / Team 2 have been voting together. Team 6 voted so that they could live 4) Killing Pandian/BB On September 26 2010 10:51 Incognito wrote: Oops [Vote]Team 3 Wut? It looks like he’s trying to act like that he’s given up. The defeated townie act. On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote: Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times. Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T Medic claim. So Incog is either red or Medic. I don’t know why Incog would do this. Here’s a possible explanation. Maybe Incog thought Pandian and BB was medic. I’ll go through their posts and see if anything there might indicate that they looked like a blue role. After finding out that Pandian/BB was that not the medic, he probably assumed that there was no medic. In a normal 7 person game, there is a 50% chance of a medic. Decent odds, and Incog would probably outargue a counterclaim This is an 8 person game, so it’s even harder for the mafia. Maybe Incog assumed that Korr wouldn’t put a medic because the odds were even lower. But why would Incog pull such a desperate maneuver? Well, it’s Lylo. All Incog has to do is make sure that he doesn’t get killed and his scum buddy doesn’t get killed, and they win. ##Vote:Team 8 | ||
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On September 26 2010 11:02 Foolishness wrote: You're guessing wrong again with your vote there by the way. Consider a few things from my perspective (that I'm green). You wanted to kill team 1. Team 1 voted to kill team 6 yesterday, and team 1 originally voted to kill team 2 the first day (before moving to No Lynch). After reviewing the votes and suspicions it doesn't seem to make much sense for any of the mafia to have voted for their teammate. Assuming that nobody is linked to team 1 (except for rastaban and I). Your teammate revealed that you were either red or blue. Apparently you're claiming blue now. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now and believe your claim, although I'm sure other people are going to have something to say about it. Thus that leaves teams 2 and 6 as mafia. Vote: team 6 Although Team 6 is on my list of mafia. Holes are leaking through BloodlyCobbler has a good excuse for being inactive On September 25 2010 07:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: To start with, I apologize for my insane inactivity this game. Have spent a fair amount of my mornings/afternoons job hunting, then out with friends I haven't seen for months at night. Few peoples birthdays, as well as a family in the hospital leads to me being insanely busy (much more so than I was anticipating). I have managed to garner time and look over the debates on today's lynch and some of the arguments are fairly convincing so I shall trust you guys this once as I won't have the time to go more carefully into things till tomorrow at the earliest. As such to avoid being modkilled. Vote team 7 I am am leaning twordes mafia for RebirthOfLeGenD, but I am absolutely sure that Incog is mafia. And I'd like to lynch the person that I feel is the most scummy first. | ||
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Ace would be a horrible lynch by me. He was the one who noticed that there was something fishy in the bandwagon. And if I was mafia, I'd kill Incog to give myself some breathing room. Ace's death only benifits Incog 2) Great, so a "I forgot how LSB played" defense 3) So are you saying that you lynched team seven even though you thought that I was town? That is increadibly dumb. Your basic argument boils down to "Team 1 is mafia so Team 7 is mafia", and you guys doubt yourself. Why did you still press for the lynch? That would be dumb. Your obviously making up stuff now, trying any excuse that would work And I'm not going to flat out switch my attack to team two. Team two has been following around Incog for some strange reason. The Difference Between Me and You is that I don't go for the easy targets. I go for the targets that are scum 4) You say that my attack on you is speculation, but all you respond is more speculation. You start speculating on what would the mafia do. (Also responds to this) + Show Spoiler + I was gonna vote Team 1 instead of Team 6, since I'd rather lynch on some substance than pure inactivity, but there's a medic counterclaim. I know that's a lie obviously. And if you compare my posting to RoL's posting, it's clear who's scum here. I have pretty much been the driving force behind this game. Without me town has little to no information. There's no incentive for me to be this aggressive in a game where mafia can sit back and let the town rot. I've posted the most this game. My analysis showed the most dedication to the game out of everyone. As mafia it would have been so easy for me to agree with everyone and say we need more information and complain about the lack of information while providing none myself. Instead, I took a stand and attempted to lead the town when nobody was willing to take that job. Yes, its true that I was wrong on the last lynch. But every townie is going to be wrong at some point. Mislynching (once) doesn't make me automafia. And one person's vote doesn't make a lynch. Sure, if this was a larger game, it would seem suspicious if we go after someone who misses a lynch. But this is Micro Mafia. All mafia has to go is get two mislynches and they win. From the get go, we see that Incog has targeted two townies, me and team 7. If we let Incog complete his task, they win. Activity doesn't mean anything. All it means is that someone likes playing mafia a bit more than the others. On the other hand, pushing for two lynchs, and I know both of us are town, is extremely suspicious. There is no "sudden" switch to Team 7. I pointed out Team 7 midway through day 1, and I also switched votes to Team 7 before the deadline on day 1. I've been suspicious of Team 7 almost from the beginning of this game. Why did I switch to Team 7? On day 1, Foolishness said he wasn't sold on Team 1, but would gladly lynch Team 7. Since I was confident that they both were mafia, I gladly switched to Team 7 if it meant something would get done. Given my link between Team 1 and Team 7, I figured Team 1 == Team 7 in terms of which one to lynch. Nothing suspicious about a lynch I supported from half a day prior. Exactly, now you admit to my accusation. You switch to team 7 because it’s the easier, fatter target, rather than the one you believe in. | ||
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Either that or there is a dumb townie. This is by far the Most important development in the game On September 26 2010 10:53 Incognito wrote: Its pretty sad I guessed wrong both times. Night 1 it was between Ace and our team, tonight it was between Pandain/BB and Team 2. Guessed wrong both times and someone died. Actually my fault, since there were slightly more interesting reasons to protect both Ace + Pandain/BB. Not thinking T_T Vrs On September 26 2010 14:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol seriously? This is ballsy. Alright guys shits on the line now anyway. I am the medic and I have been self protecting every night. So we really have to figure out which person is probably the medic. On September 26 2010 15:28 Infundibulum wrote: 3. Honestly though i'm surprised you counter claimed medic. There was no need for you to play that card so quickly. Generally the mafia can wait and say that the lack of a counterclaim indicates that the claimer is lying. For example, you could have said "Incog is mafia and trying to squirm away from inevitable lynch by claiming medic!", all without claiming yourself. But by counterclaiming you pretty much play out your whole hand. This is a weird defense. Infun is saying that the medic should be like “Oh look there is no counterclaim, obviously infun is medic!” That’s just dumb. The “Pointing out there is no counterclaim” is an incredibly stupid argument for a medic to rely on when straight out counterclaim is so much more stronger. This convinces me that Infun is mafia Fun Fact™ for those who can't decide who's telling the truth: why do you think it was me who asked Korynne if the medic/protected person gets a PM notification? Don't you think that RoL, masquerading as the eager medic, would have wanted to know this important information? Now that Infun pointed this out, I don’t think trying to read if Team 8 is medic is a good idea. Team 8 has probably been planning this claim for a while, planting information for a future defence. + Show Spoiler + Anyone else wana claim medic? | ||
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I agree with the duke it out part. But I'm sticking to my vote | ||
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On September 27 2010 10:17 Divinek wrote: yay no need for me to have to make a long post however im confused, it's obviously between team 6/8 at this point and one is certainly mafia but if incognito team was medic why the fuck wouldnt he protect himself? with how active and pro town incognito was trying to be you'd think surely they would want to keep themselves alive/think they're likely to be a target. Or did they think that there was some levelling going on where obviously he'd be the most natural target so mafia might think he was the most natural target for med prot so not hit him? nahhh that doesn't really pan out well. obviously my team isnt mafia lol or we could just stack on whichever one of you two we knew was town and get it over with. This is hurting my brain cause team IN has been active enough to get a read off of then you have the other team where the other member is totally AWOL and RoL is well he's him. anyways ##vote team 8 i like bum voting for team 1 lol Immediately I think something was wrong about my lynch. I wasn't expecting a real bandwagon from happening. Although I still think team 8 is mafia. It's kind of strange when team 6 suddenly shows up. I ended up choosing the lesser of two evils But then Team 2 also shows up. And it isn't just team 2, it's Divinek. Divinek I've been looking for him jumping on bandwagons and he does this. Of course, he changes it On September 27 2010 11:23 Divinek wrote: actually you know what after reading through everyone's reasons for voting for who they did i've convinced myself that the likely combination for me is team1/team6 so ##unvote ##vote team6 I can't really tell if Incog is with you or not. It all could be WIFOM, but Divinek doesn't really expain himself with any analysis, just just says that everyone's reasons for voting. When we look at the reasons for voting Team 1: Team 8 is probably mafia Team 3: Team 6 defends themselves well. It kindof is off topic On September 27 2010 13:16 Divinek wrote: sweet team 1 really is mafia look at that lol, takes vote off team 8 after clearly saying the only options right now are team 6/8 and when realizing team 6 is about to die tries this shit please Is Divinek trying to set up tomorrows lynch? That probably means that Team 6 is mafia, since Divinek is expecting them to flip red. Even if we hit mafia, tomorrow will still be LYLO. Remember: Mafia can easily win by sacrificing someone today and killing the person who supported the person they sacrificed tomorrow Also, ROL finally came back to duke it out with incog. BC hasn't showed up for some reason, even for a vote. On September 27 2010 02:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: All of a sudden you switch to the view that I am inactive? I clearly haven't been inactive. As for your medic "protects" they seem retarded to me, at least your second choice. Your supposed night one choice is between you and Ace/BM and you choice yourself. I could actually believe that protection since I think it was 50/50 based on usefulness of the individual and obviously you would choose yourself on the basis of self interest. However I can't see how the fuck you can run with same train of thought and decide to pick team 2 to protect over team 5. When we look at there activeness and who posts what team 5 posts way more. If you look at the end pandain posts analysis on the two most suspect teams. Teams 1 and teams 7 which were really well done. Team 2 did nothing of substance yesterday, yet you claim you hastily protected them? That makes no sense. As far as protecting myself goes, it was argued all over day one the usefulness of the medic and I even was speculating that it wasn't in the game to divert attention from the role. But the general consensus was an immortal medic who is self protecting is a good idea. Plus you can't always count on the mafia to hit in the way you expect, they could be blue hunting and I was acting a little blue. Moderately active posting + Blue role speculation + secondary analysis to stay out of limelight. If they were decent players I feel I would of been a good target, especially if they are trying to avoid obvious protections like you and ace/bm day one and teams 2 and 5 on day two. As another side note, I have done this before and self protected, because it makes sense. and yeah foolishness I would really like you to elaborate on that. I don't see why you wouldn't vote for either team 8 or team 6 right now. RoL clearly is on the defensive. He feels the need more to defend himself than attack team 8. In fact he hasn't had much attacks on team 8 at all. He seems to only have relyed on my post. I'm just going to go for the safe choice then. Besides the two medic claimers, there are three teams, Team 1, Team 2, Team 3. I don't think Team 3 is mafia, so that leaves team two Vote: Team 2 | ||
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On September 28 2010 09:27 Foolishness wrote: Vote for team 6 dude. If the town has their votes spread out the mafia will just change last minute and auto win. It's too late to lynch someone else, either vote team 6 or give mafia auto win. Don't worry, I'm watching. As always. | ||
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On September 28 2010 09:31 Divinek wrote: it's nice to see lsb's reads on me are just as bad as ever Penalty mafia: I fingered you as mafia RAM: I fingered you as anti town. | ||
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On September 28 2010 10:25 Foolishness wrote: Team 6 and 8 both mafia lol That would be genius. Abit unlikely | ||
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I just don't get why Bum/SR is discussing where to hit for the night. Are they trying to influence the medic save? | ||
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But suggesting that the mafia won't shoot anyone? Thats quiet weird. I can't see any reason why this would be used. Team two would kill Team 3, Team 3 would kill 2. Unless Incog is mafia, but as always, the possibility of that is 0% | ||
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Team 6 claiming medic was to good to be true. I was so sure that Incog was scum, that I pushed away my past doubts about team 6. Incog is obviously townie now. Although he has been wrong before about me and YI, his post makes a lot of sense. Foolishness on the other hand has these posts yesterday On September 26 2010 15:00 Foolishness wrote: How about we just let bygones be bygones and all vote for team 2 eh? On September 27 2010 00:36 Foolishness wrote: Okay so let's see. One of team 6 and 8 is mafia. Team 8 wanted to kill team 1 the other day. Team 1 voted to kill team 6 yesterday (also made some analysis). I still don't think it's probable that the mafia would be voting for each other or posting analysis against each other at that stage of the game (why go through the effort when the town was misguided anyways?) This makes it unlikely that team 1 is mafia since they have a very weak connection to team 6 and team 8. Thus it seems that team 2 is probably the other mafia team, with either 6 or 8. Of course this is all from my perspective (assuming I'm green). A big part of me feels like we should just kill team 2 now and let team 6 and team 8 duke it out over who's medic (the more time they have to argue the more obvious the real medic will become). Notice that right now there is a 50% chance that his scum buddy will die, he has the taste of victory in his mouth and tries to make it 100% chance. He does indeed vote to kill team 6, but he probably anticipated that I would switch my vote if something seemed fishy Although I haven't suspected them at all (Thank you Incog for bringing that to light). I'm going to think about this for a bit before voting. I'm now just really wary of the Team1/Team2 fight that was going to happen today, and it seems kindof influenced | ||
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Put my position as Neutral for now | ||
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In reality, everyone has an incentive to kill team 8. They are the medic, and as long as the medic is a alive, the mafia is going to have a harder time getting what they want done. In addition, Incog has been a pretty vocal townie. That's two strikes against him. Even though Incog did say he was pushing for my lynch, Incog in this game is known for switching his vote around. Day 2 from 1 to 7, Day 3 from 3 to 6. That leaves team 2 as much as a candidate as team 3. Both team 2 and team 3 was willing to off Team 6 yesterday. But Team 2 did it only after trying to off Incog / divert the vote onto me. Straightforward, team 2 fit the role of mafia yesterday. That's why I'm going to vote for them ##Vote Team 2 | ||
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Seems like less than 3 hours left | ||
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