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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:04 citi.zen wrote: Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor. Ok thanks, so it's down to me and LSB. I think LSB is the better choice for obvious reasons | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:04 citi.zen wrote: Incorrect. Hesmyr said he picked CV but it was taken. Rastaban could be red, but not traitor. No, SR picked CV but said it was taken. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:48 Fishball wrote: No, SR picked CV but said it was taken. No, SR picker traitor. Hesmyr picked CV. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
#1 rastaban--- Comp Vig (role confirmed by Hesmyrr), claims he got RB-ed night 2 #2 Chaoser --- Claimed Bad Santa, list of Elfs: Radfield, Sinliquidy, Citi.zen, Opz, Bumatlarge #3 LSB --- Claimed Prince of Darkness, was watched + visited by one other person night 2 #4 #5 #6 #7 #8 Fishball --- Claimed Bullet Bill, checked Opz night one and Sinliquidy night 2 #9 Opz --- Claimed Meth Man after claiming Tracker, ELF, no gun according to Fishball #10 Citizen --- Tracker, ELF, JeeJee to DTA night one, saw Chaoser stand still night 2 #11 BrownBear #12 JeeJee - Can travel, visited DTA night 1, DTA said he did not get role blocked #13 DarthThienAn - Claimed JeeJee is not RB #14 siNiquity --- ELF, no gun according to Fishball #15 Divinek --- Day Vig, killed BM day 1 #16 #17 #18 Bumatlarge --- Watcher, ELF, saw 4 people visit Zeks night 1and one visit LSB night 2 #19 Pandain --- Claimed Pardoner, then Martyr, then pardoner again, then said it was all a joke Plan draft list under the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:19 chaoser wrote: Ok thanks, so it's down to me and LSB. I think LSB is the better choice for obvious reasons What are these obvious reasons? | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. On September 01 2010 06:36 Fishball wrote: BB, DTA, and JeeJee are on my track list next Night. I'll let you guys decide who to track this time. Checking citizen could be a "surprisingly" good idea too. At least it gives him confirmation if he ends up without a gun. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. On September 01 2010 13:45 BrownBear wrote: Notice how he doesn't explicitly say no. Just saying. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 01 2010 23:09 Fishball wrote: Posting this before I get too busy during the day. So SR flipped Vanilla Townie. We have to assume he is telling the truth, or else he would be banned in future games anyways. That leaves LSB and Chaoser, one of them as the Traitor. We tried CVing LSB the other Night, but Rastaban was role blocked. Chaoser himself should be Bad Santa, and provided a list of "innocents". The main question would be who to lynch next. LSB would be the obvious choice for most of us, due to the fact he survived. Yes, framing by the Mafia could be a possibility, but that isn't important right now. I'm thinking if we choose Chaoser, the benefits would be greater. If we lynch Chaoser, and he flips Traitor, then of course we would know the list is fake and the Traitor issue would be solved. If he flips Mafia, the list would still be fake and LSB is most likely the Traitor. If he flipped Pro-Town Bad Santa, then the list is basically confirmed; Town would have a go-to circle, and all debate about "who could be Mafia" among those players would end immediately. Some might ask, if we lynch LSB, and he flips Traitor/Mafia, wouldn't that confirm Chaoser? The answer would be no, as we still won't know for sure what role and alignment Chaoser is, and for all that matters, he could still be Traitor/Mafia (Depending on what LSB Flips). These are my thoughts in a nutshell. Again, I'll let you guys decide. So far only Pandain has spoken out wanting me to check JeeJee, but ~OpZ~ wants him dead. If we are CVing JeeJee tonight, let me know who to check from my post above, so we don't target the same players. BrownBear has been MIA pretty much the entire game but out of the blue, he actually commented on the game itself, and not apologizing for not being here. DTA has been drawing suspicion since early in the game, but has been "performing" a bit better the last couple days. Legitimate or an act. Who knows. Citizen isn't exactly one of my "real" investigation candidates, and should only be investigated if the Bad Santa list is fake. While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On September 01 2010 23:20 chaoser wrote: While I'd rather live, I'd also rather the town win. This plan sounds legit and except for giving mafia another night to do shit in, should be followed. Lynch me today if you want, confirm my list, so on. The obvious reason I was talking about is that 1) I have no real reason as mafia to give my list the way I did. Even if you argue that it was to bye citi.zen/opz another day of life, that's basically 2 mafia dead for 1 day of life. LSB was suppose to die last night but CV got role blocked, that's enough proof for me. LSB is either dead last night, or lynched today. If LSB was town, mafia would have just let rasta CV him, then I would be thought of as "traitor" and then you'd all go after me. A townie dies and the next day we're back at step 1, trying to find out who traitor is. You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 31 2010 11:47 LSB wrote: Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too, trying to enjoy my last night properly! That could explain some of your posts though! Bum claims he saw a visitor go to LSB. LSB gives a bizarre answer: "Wrong house Bum. Lucky I was there too". Then he tries to make a little joke re: being high (nervous much?). He never brings up the night visit again! I know if I were a townie I would be a lot more curious: why would anyone visit me on the night I was supposed to be CV-ed, while the CV is getting role-blocked? If it happened to me I'd be thinking "I was framed - Chaoser must be the traitor! The mafia must have two traveling roles! This is who I think you need to look at after my death..." LSB did none of that. In fact, LSB claims on the very next page that he does not think Chaoser is the traitor: On August 31 2010 12:55 LSB wrote: (this also replies your other post) I don't really think you are traitor, however, this is actually good for the mafia as it meddles up who is wrong and who is right, causing confusion for the town The best way to figure this out is to confirm Chaoser. Not by lynching him, that would be bad, but lynching SR. SR flips traitor, chaoser is confirmed, and then we have a nice tight town circle of 5 people, maybe more Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser! I think LSB is our traitor, just recruited last night. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
Think about that: we've already established one of them has to be the traitor, but LSB tells us he does not think it's Chaoser! | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
Picked Meth Man, got Vanilla. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On September 01 2010 23:33 Fishball wrote: You do bring up a good point from the Mafia point of view about bringing up the list, but this argument can go in circles (as well as most of the arguments in Mafia games). Hell, people still accuse me, and to be quite frankly, there is nothing I can do to prove myself 100%, there will always be doubt. The way I see it, both of you are likely to end up dead, due to one of the reasons I listed above. Let's says best case scenario, we do nail LSB as the Traitor, but it doesn't clears you at all. The fact that 3 players would be cleared if you flipped Pro-Town, is a HUGE advantage to Town. Thanks for agreeing with me though. How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:21 citi.zen wrote: How about you check LSB tonight and tell us if he has a gun or not? The role-blocker can't block both you and the CV. It's fine by me, since I said I'll take suggestions. But why would they Role Block our CV again if we're not hitting LSB? And if we're hitting LSB, and get Role Blocked, and I revealed he has a gun, we still cant kill him until a lynch later, and Chaoser himself is not cleared. If lynching Chaoser flips him green, LSB will have to die regardless, along with 3 confirmed Townies. I really think it isn't necessary to use more resources here. If more people wants me to check LSB, I'll do it. If not, we'll have to figure out our actions fast. So far there are only a few of us that checked in this morning. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
To clarify my wording after re-reading my post. along with 3 confirmed Townies -> and Town gets 3 confirmed Townies. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
JeeJee, if your Joat claim now, so you can protect yourself tonight. In addition, I won't have to martyr you. Also, who did you visit last night. I have a sneaking suspicion it might be JeeJee, but since you are so reluctant to talk I am unsure. So let's take care of this traitor situation. Now as a SFA member I can't lynch Chaoser, but I can advocate for it, and definitely support CVing him(as he is). Because sadly, we cannot tell who Chaoser is. But tommorow we will have a surefire lynch. Tommorow, we lynch LSB. JeeJee, if your alignment cop I want you to investigate one of the confirmed townies (opz or sinquity.) That will help you define your sanity. If not alignment cop and are doctor, protect one of Citizen, fishball, or watcher. If Joat, talk to someone and reveal your results. Talk to me.......! n.n Fishball check JeeJee, However, in the case that brownbear is roleblocker just to be sure we should track Brownbear. Meanwhile, the watcher watches JeeJee to make sure Fishball will check. Therefore, if either Brownbear or Fishball are roleblocker they will either be forced to not use there power or will be caught. If JeeJee is alignment cop(which I think he is unless he is scum), than he will have known his sanity by then. Really though, we can either track Brownbear or Darthien. Which do you guys want? Everyone agree, or disagree? Please discuss. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:05 citi.zen wrote: No, SR picker traitor. Hesmyr picked CV. I just caught this post while having lunch. You are right. I should restrain from posting in the mornings... | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:58 Pandain wrote: No don't check LSB, keep checking JeeJee. As I said, we need to know whether he's scum or town. Either way, he will be valiuable to that side. JeeJee, if your Joat claim now, so you can protect yourself tonight. In addition, I won't have to martyr you. Also, who did you visit last night. I have a sneaking suspicion it might be JeeJee, but since you are so reluctant to talk I am unsure. So let's take care of this traitor situation. Now as a SFA member I can't lynch Chaoser, but I can advocate for it, and definitely support CVing him(as he is). Because sadly, we cannot tell who Chaoser is. But tommorow we will have a surefire lynch. Tommorow, we lynch LSB. JeeJee, if your alignment cop I want you to investigate one of the confirmed townies (opz or sinquity.) That will help you define your sanity. If not alignment cop and are doctor, protect one of Citizen, fishball, or watcher. If Joat, talk to someone and reveal your results. Talk to me.......! n.n Fishball check JeeJee, However, in the case that brownbear is roleblocker just to be sure we should track Brownbear. Meanwhile, the watcher watches JeeJee to make sure Fishball will check. Therefore, if either Brownbear or Fishball are roleblocker they will either be forced to not use there power or will be caught. If JeeJee is alignment cop(which I think he is unless he is scum), than he will have known his sanity by then. Really though, we can either track Brownbear or Darthien. Which do you guys want? Everyone agree, or disagree? Please discuss. Um, how can I be the Role Blocker when Zeks already checked me? Plus I visited ~Opz~ and Sin. If they got role blocked they would have been notified. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:03 Fishball wrote: Um, how can I be the Role Blocker when Zeks already checked me? Plus I visited ~Opz~ and Sin. If they got role blocked they would have been notified. Oh wow I'm an idiot. That's great news! What should the watcher do then.... watch rastaban. You can help see if he still got roleblocked(thus helping with dealing the possibility that he's mafia cv.) | ||
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