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On September 01 2010 10:25 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:23 SouthRawrea wrote:
A green for good information= good and NO IT DOES NOT DIVINEK. Stop being so naive. What if I'm manipulating all of you and Pandain and I are both mafia? What if it wasn't certain death at all because I knew he was going to pardon me. So just leave me behind. Go on without me! it's hardly good information, it confirms a traitor in the top 3. It doesnt really lead us to any mafia, what if you guys are working together? It wouldn't make sense if you were. Your reasoning makes no sense at all for a mob member, you can't be mafia or you're brain dead. We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies.
Well how do you know I'm making no sense on purpose?
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On September 01 2010 10:32 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:25 Divinek wrote:On September 01 2010 10:23 SouthRawrea wrote:
A green for good information= good and NO IT DOES NOT DIVINEK. Stop being so naive. What if I'm manipulating all of you and Pandain and I are both mafia? What if it wasn't certain death at all because I knew he was going to pardon me. So just leave me behind. Go on without me! it's hardly good information, it confirms a traitor in the top 3. It doesnt really lead us to any mafia, what if you guys are working together? It wouldn't make sense if you were. Your reasoning makes no sense at all for a mob member, you can't be mafia or you're brain dead. We aim to lynch mafia, not fucking townies. Well how do you know I'm making no sense on purpose?
i dont let wifom arguments circle overhead, i go with what rationale makes the most sense and always go with the idea that someone isnt going deeply into some preconceived meta that might be anticipated, it's less convoluted that way.
like i said im cool with you dying, but if you're a townie id much rather kill a mafia dude. Sure you might be 'useless' now, but we still have your vote! Hell man im useless now that i used my power, but im writing a novel to hopefully contribute something to town.
im gonna keep mentioning how i want to kill chaoser to confirm his list
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Clarifying question to Ace: is the pardoner allowed to change their mind after typing Pardon: Player in the thread? If so, for how long?
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On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect.
It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible..
Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch.
-_- gj.
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Also, can the change of mind be done privately through PMs, when the rules seem to state the Pardoner must announce what they are doing in the thread?
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On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect. It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj.
it'd be great if someone could just pop him tonight CV, joat, whatever else can kill something
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On September 01 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect. It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj. it'd be great if someone could just pop him tonight CV, joat, whatever else can kill something
Yeah a day vig too.
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On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect. It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj.
Chaoser offered this very plan for today. Perhaps we should have gone with it. At this point in time I am not convinced it's a great idea because of simple arithmetics: we just (tried to) lynch SR. It's mafia time - they can kill one of the elfs, leaving 3 on the "confirmed" list. Then we lynch Chaoser. The mafia get to kill again, possibly leaving 2 "confirmed" people up there. We're trading 3 people for 2 "confirmed" names and no new information on the mafia.
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On September 01 2010 11:09 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect. It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj. Chaoser offered this very plan for today. Perhaps we should have gone with it. At this point in time I am not convinced it's a great idea because of simple arithmetics: we just (tried to) lynch SR. It's mafia time - they can kill one of the elfs, leaving 3 on the "confirmed" list. Then we lynch Chaoser. The mafia get to kill again, possibly leaving 2 "confirmed" people up there. We're trading 3 people for 2 "confirmed" names and no new information on the mafia.
they could try but if this is our plan surely we'll be trying to protect someone from that list, and there's probably a meth man and maybe other defensive roles in there. If we kill chaoser we basically confirm like 1/4 to 1/3 of the remaining players, id say that's useful
it's better than going oh well we lynch a guy so we know there's a traitor in the top 3, now we KNOW these people are 100% on our side so we can believe all they say, all their claims, THIS IS SO USEFUL, and we'll obviously protect our most powerful roles from that list. They can pop vanillas all they want rofl
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Ya, maybe we should've gone with it?
Yes, let's assume that Chaoser is town and everyone is already confirmed, and then justify not lynching him because "it's not worth it." Great idea. Citizen you're a better player than this, what's with the bad play?
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If the Pardoner posted in the thread to remove their pardon before the 3 hours was up then sure.
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On September 01 2010 11:13 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 11:09 citi.zen wrote:On September 01 2010 10:54 SiNiquity wrote:On September 01 2010 07:01 citi.zen wrote:
If I'm red chaoser is lying, right? In that scenario I (red) called out Opz, only to be told by Chaoser(red) that Opz is innocent! It makes no sense, but nice try Fishball. All you are doing is trying to deflect. It's actually a great idea. If Chaoser is indeed red (and not even necessarily Bad Santa, could be any role with a made up list) then confirming a bunch of people who were pro-town (bum via very helpful watcher info, myself via fishball whose role was confirmed via zeks, radfield by dying) and slipping a mafia or 2 on the list is the best play possible.. Which is why lynching Chaoser, not SR was the move to make tonight. Confirming the list is way more imperative than this traitor bullshit, but it even has the benefit of removing a top 3 role should SR be telling the truth. But the town had to rush off and majority lynch. -_- gj. Chaoser offered this very plan for today. Perhaps we should have gone with it. At this point in time I am not convinced it's a great idea because of simple arithmetics: we just (tried to) lynch SR. It's mafia time - they can kill one of the elfs, leaving 3 on the "confirmed" list. Then we lynch Chaoser. The mafia get to kill again, possibly leaving 2 "confirmed" people up there. We're trading 3 people for 2 "confirmed" names and no new information on the mafia. they could try but if this is our plan surely we'll be trying to protect someone from that list, and there's probably a meth man and maybe other defensive roles in there. If we kill chaoser we basically confirm like 1/4 to 1/3 of the remaining players, id say that's useful it's better than going oh well we lynch a guy so we know there's a traitor in the top 3, now we KNOW these people are 100% on our side so we can believe all they say, all their claims, THIS IS SO USEFUL, and we'll obviously protect our most powerful roles from that list. They can pop vanillas all they want rofl
The meth man already claimed and can be avoided. I doubt there are any town medics, JeeJee is not a doctor from his post telling the "docs" to pay attention. One role is probably RB. So there is no way to protect anyone.
I still say trade of 3 innocents for 2 confirmed townies, with no new info on the mafia, is a really bad trade.
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On September 01 2010 11:16 SiNiquity wrote:
Ya, maybe we should've gone with it?
Yes, let's assume that Chaoser is town and everyone is already confirmed, and then justify not lynching him because "it's not worth it." Great idea. Citizen you're a better player than this, what's with the bad play?
Do you want to know what I think? I think we're going in circles trying to use blue roles that were confusing. Add to that fake claims and we're getting nowhere. Let's see: One of SR or a top 3 players lied; Opz lied; Pandain lied multiple times.
This is fruitless. What we need to do is stop trying to figure crap out based on claims or investigations and lynching the scummiest person around. Right now that is Fishball, hands down.
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Alright I decided to turn over a new leaf and decided that no matter how humorous me claiming pardoner TWICE may be, If I want to gain credibility it's not going to happen.
sorry south, your going to die.
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On September 01 2010 11:17 Ace wrote:
If the Pardoner posted in the thread to remove their pardon before the 3 hours was up then sure.
It would have been nice to know this + the fact that it can be revoked secretly.
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??? They can't revoke it secretly. I said in the thread. Pardoner like Day Vigi and Vengeful Player can't communicate anything to me via PM.
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On September 01 2010 11:37 Ace wrote:
??? They can't revoke it secretly. I said in the thread. Pardoner like Day Vigi and Vengeful Player can't communicate anything to me via PM.
My mistake, you're right!
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On September 01 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Actually, you know what I decided?
I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.)
Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies.
##Pardon SouthRawrea
This is a confirmed lie then.
Hi Pandain!
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On September 01 2010 11:41 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Actually, you know what I decided?
I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.)
Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies.
##Pardon SouthRawrea This is a confirmed lie then. Hi Pandain!
Yup n.n. But a harmless lie(no malicious outcome... aka I would be found out in 3 hours).
So if i was mafia it would have no p ositive outcome. Therefore, you know it was a joke. Moving on, I'll lay out the warground once we see how south flips.
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On September 01 2010 11:41 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote:
Actually, you know what I decided?
I am the pardoner, but then I went back on my decision to pardon Zeks(pmed ace.)
Amazed no one called me out on saying i'll martyr radfield, but then he dies.
##Pardon SouthRawrea This is a confirmed lie then. Hi Pandain!
rofl looks like we caught ourselves a mafia!
im still posting my novel of analysis
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