TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 5

On August 05 2010 06:21 Protactinium wrote:

Ahem.

On August 05 2010 08:01 XeliN wrote:


This, whatever u might get moaned at the fact is you have to put alot of time and effort into running something like this and thanks alot for doing so.

I don't know why there wasn't a seperate thread for voting though, I'd pull my hair out if I was host having to check over every page scanning for bolded text ^^

On August 05 2010 08:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



Keep note of the bottom left box + caption beside it.

I laughed so hard at this picture you have no idea

On August 05 2010 09:01 Ace wrote:
am I the only one that laughed when d3 voted, then pyrr,proct and rastaban all matched his vote? rofl I was like oh dear god you have got to be kidding me lmao.

On August 05 2010 10:08 SouthRawrea wrote:
Woooo that was fun.

On August 05 2010 10:23 BrownBear wrote:
POST GAME THOUGHTS:

I've already discussed my play, now I want to bring up the play of the town. Overall, town played terribly this game. There was not any one person who was super super bad and ruined it for us, it was our game to lose and we blew it. Here 4 points Pandain mentioned where town got screwed:





Some of these were unfortunate coincidences. Some of these were us utterly failing.

1) Infiltration of DT circle.

It had been posted many many times that Pandain and Protact were in contact with subversion, after sub's death. When Pandain flipped miller, town should have immediately moved to lynch Protactinium. This is not based on anything that happened in the thread, this is based off of common sense. When a DT circle is infiltrated and the DT dies, you start lynching members of the circle until you catch the scum. We were basically handed Protactinium on a silver platter and nobody said anything other than "oh, we should think about this." D'oh ><

2) Xelin Attack

When Xelin posted that "LOL IM SUICIDE BOMMA" post in the thread, here's what should have happened:

a) zeks should have told another confirmed townie everything he knew (this happened, he told young, but young failed to pass it on to another confirmed townie, and then died the next night).
b) Everyone should have gotten as fucking far away from zeks as possible. He was the most obvious target, the center of a town circle, there was no way XeliN wasn't going to bomb him. People should have thought a lot more.
c) SINiquity shouldn't have fucking protected XeliN! That has to be the dumbest move all game. I really want to hear his logic, because right now I have to believe his logic train went like "hmm, xelin just claimed suicide bomber in the thread. I'M GOING TO PROTECT HIM AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS HURR DURR"
So yeah, that night was what turned it around for mafia. 5 townies dead in one night, ouch.

3) Sexy blue sniping

not much we could do here, mafia played almost picture-perfect. Moving on...

4) Medic protecting BC

Maybe I think this one was obvious, since at that point I was sure BC was red, but I don't know why Roffles protected him. Then, after Tricode got his shot blocked, people didn't ask questions, they just assumed Tricode would try to kill BC because of the meta going on there. This is an important lesson: even if there is a solid meta reason for something happening, look through the thread and see if you can't find an even better logical reason. Often the logical reason will trump the metagame reason.


...yeah. That sucked. Apart from those, there are a couple things:

1) youngminii throwing a temper tantrum and outing Pandain as a detective because voting didn't go the way he wanted. I'm sorry young, I know you're usually a good player, but this is inexcusable. You were green, under no circumstances should you be publically calling out a blue role unless they specifically ask you to. The fact that he was a mouth rather than the actual DT changes nothing, because you didn't know that. Regardless of what you thought of his plan, regardless of whether his play was dumb or smart, regardless of anything, you do not out a blue role. Unless you're mafia, of course. Or traitor. Then it's ok

2) d3's vote on me that ended the game. In a LYLO situation, you do not vote until you are 100% sure you are voting for a red. I was 100% sure rastaban was red, but I did have a contingency plan. When I voted, I stated I was probably going inactive for a while, this was actually a ploy. I was watching the thread very very closely. If I saw anyone stack on with little to no explanation, I would immediately have posted unvoting (I actually had the post ready to go), and throw FoS on that person. Then d3 came along, was like "LOL VOTE BROWNBEAR", and... you know the rest.

Yeah, I don't actually know which play was worse - SIN's mafia-medicness, young's "GRR IM ANGRY PANDAIN IS DT", or d3's game ending impulse vote.

These are just examples, and I'm in no way saying I'm mad at any of these players. I'm simply pointing out things you do not do in mafia. I've been guilty of really dumb play before (Team Melee Mini Mafia), and I learned from it, because everyone pointed it out. I loved playing with you all, even through your whoopsies, and this game was fun.

However, I do want to talk about the setup a bit.

People have already talked about some things (balance, KP, etc.) and I won't add on to that. I just want to post a couple logistical issues I had with this game:

1) If you are going to go inactive for large periods of time, please have a co-host who can post in your absence. A couple hours late once or twice is excusable. 28 hours late because you were playing Texas Hold-em is not. Sorry Bill, I <3 you, but it really frustrated me when that happened.

2) Please have a separate voting thread. If you insist on not doing so, at least make sure you can count votes properly, and please don't get angry at people when they try to count votes up when you aren't there. Actually, just have a separate voting thread. It's easier on all of us.

3) The day-ends-when-majority-is-reached rule is not a good rule. A fixed-hour day works much better, because people's minds can change in a 48-hour period. This setup is conducive to quick bandwagoning and gives mafia too much control over the day period, which is really supposed to be town's time to shine. The last lynch was the best example: 1 wrong vote, and mafia just bandwagoned town to death.


Bearies to come later. Long post. Tired.

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Original Message:
a birdie told me your dt is Subversion

On August 05 2010 10:38 citi.zen wrote:

Exactly, this game you and others had 100% CLEAR EVIDENCE which you ignored. Not picking on you, just saying that what the town collectively swallowed that entire was surreal to me. If Ace/Ver/Incognito actually playrd in this game I trust they would have noticed the dozens of plain bad and skewed arguments. Should have been a huge asset to the town, but they just got ignored.

On August 05 2010 10:46 citi.zen wrote:

But that's just the point: if there were 3 claims, one had to be from the mafia. AKA I was not mafia.

On August 05 2010 10:50 Pandain wrote:


There I would actually start to suspect you only because you're still just assuming its all because he's mafia. Since citizen didn't tell anyone, besides us, that means he didn't "fabricate anything."

On August 05 2010 11:15 youngminii wrote:
Dw I'll go back and revise my play.

And uhh, I'll make it eventually

On August 05 2010 14:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Heh, not too suprised, but really nice play by mafia. I dont have any regrets, I trusted citizen and zeks and really pushed for BC and south. Had no idae about anyone else though. Wish they would have kept me alive

And was rasta the one that "analyzed" and said i was 88% town? what a bastard lol

On August 07 2010 08:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Belkar is perhaps the coolest character on order of the stick. I proudly accept that bearie. Glad you enjoyed the chaotic show.