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On July 22 2010 08:15 DarthThienAn wrote:But if got lynched right now as a MH, one of my bombs would go to waste =P.
Alright, so the town consensus seems to be DTA is mafia or mad hatter. If he's mad hatter, I'm more determined to kill him before he gives the mafia an extra two kp instead of an extra one. I wonder puts bombs on people as jokes.
I'm not really sold on the mad hatter thing anyway; I don't thing this is an RP server where you have to act crazy if the word "mad" is in your role name. It'd make more sense to me to lay low like a vigi. He's been acting suspicious all game, its not like he laid low for two days and then did something scummy on day 3 to try to get lynched and activate bombs.
If he is mad hatter, mafia know this. If they have any idea who he suspects, here's what happens:
They know he is clueless: Mafia will vote to save him from lynch, let him put on another bomb, probably hit him tonight.
They know he is really onto them to the point of both of his bombs being on mafia by night 2: Mafia will let him live, at which point we can't tell if DTA isn't a red getting away with it.
Here's the question for people who believe he is mad hatter. If so, I bet he's stubborn and puts another bomb down tonight. What are the odds he has his bombs well placed? Damn low. Most likely scenario in that case is that he puts another bomb on someone tonight, mafia kills him and we wake up to a huge body count.
Mad Hatter is a good role for town if they can survive long enough to get two really good suspects. They have to lay low enough till they can get a really strong bead before their bombs become more benefit than liability. If DTA is mad hatter like he says, he's already got one bomb placed and just wants to survive to place one more. Why aren't his supporters asking him about his suspects? Do you trust him to kill people that you also suspect? At this point, even if he's mad hatter, I'd rather his bombs go to waste because I doubt if he's blue he survives long enough for them to be used well.
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On July 22 2010 08:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 08:38 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
So chaoser is suspicious because he changed his vote from BB to Subversion. Who was the first person to do that? DTA. At least Chaoser gives reasons so we have something to work with.
Haven't you understood that DTA jokes alot when he changes? I mean, they were OBVIOUS jokes too. There are better arguments against DTA, stop using that one.
Well that's interesting that you get the idea that those votes were jokes, because DTA has clarified that the vote on BB was for his bad vigi plan, and the vote on sub was for the mafia praise; they apparently weren't jokes at all. Yet, I can't blame you at all for thinking they are jokes when he plays like this. This is exactly how the teflon armor works: he does whatever he wants as a "joke" and if joking starts to make him look bad he clarifies with reasons that his actions weren't jokes at all.
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Lol Chaoser is gonna be lynched because everyone's afraid to switch their votes for the two soft blue claimers.
The case against Chaoser as far as I can tell:
1. He put in a placeholder vote, saying he was gonna decide later. Then he never switched it because we had no real suspects Day 1 (other than DTA).
2. Pandain made a big argument post that even he doesn't believe anymore. In any case he switched to Subversion.
3. He was leaning BrownBear but then started being suspicious of Subversion, like at least half the town (DTA, I mentioned some others earlier, honestly I had DTA as my number one but my number 2 went from BrownBear to Subversion to thinking they are both townies, to now I dunno what to think about Subversion's blue claim)
4. He switched his vote to subversion because other people were also doing so, which is also now why people are voting for Chaoser.
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On July 22 2010 09:49 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)
not voting:double lynch: I think this is right
You should put who was first to 7 if there is a tie at the top.
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@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company.
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On July 22 2010 09:56 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 09:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 22 2010 09:49 rastaban wrote:
7] DarthThienAn (d3_crescentia, Pyrrhuloxia, XeliN, zeks, Subversion, LaXerCannon, rastaban)
7] chaoser (DarthThienAn, youngminii, Roffles, SouthRawrEa, misder, citi.zen, BrownBear)
7] Subversion (tree.hugger, bumatlarge, jayme, Amber[LighT], Pandain, chaoser)
3] Brownbear (Divinek, tricode, ~opz~)
1] Amber[LighT] (BloodyC0bbler, Divenek)
Abstain: (SiNiquity, Protactinium, Infundibulum,lakrismamma)
not voting:everyone voted!
double lynch:
(1/15)
iNfuNdiBuLuM I think this is right You should put who was first to 7 if there is a tie at the top. But not sure how it goes, Darth was first to 7 but then chaoser went to 9 and back down so while his was more recent he had more votes at the last point, subversion was the last to 7 I think
Hmm if I was the moderator Chaoser would die but I don't know how BM handles that.
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On July 22 2010 10:01 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company. If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^. What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing. lol at the reference. so is mafia just a dancing game until we have absolute information or something
If everyone played like DTA, yes. That's why town shouldn't play like this and we should go after people who do.
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On July 22 2010 10:00 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 09:57 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@DTA
So now we can't even take your blue hints seriously? Dude just die already. I'm tired of trying to sift through your jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes inside of jokes without at least having Ellen Page to keep my company. If you're mafia, yea, you'd love to see me die, wouldn't you ^_^. What blue hints? The extremely obvious "I'm a Mad Hatter" / "I'm Godfather" claims? Seriously, if I was a blue, would I really be so obvious about it? On second thought... would I? There's nothing to draw from those posts - nothing except what you want to draw from them. And what you draw on them just depends on what bias you have, because it's all wifom, isn't it? There's no absolute way of knowing. lol at the reference.
You also talked about not being able to use your second bomb if you were killed today. Totally hypothetical, of course. Or perhaps jokingly. Or maybe you were serious but now you are trying to retract.
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On July 22 2010 09:00 tree.hugger wrote:
This is the stupidest thing, pretty much ever.
Is there evidence against chaoser? Nobody can really explain what it is. Is there evidence against DTA? Hardly. Is there evidence against Subversion? Yes, there is.
1) Subversion voted at the last minute to lynch someone who's bandwagon was pathetic from the start, and really had nothing behind it. But the real significance of that vote, was that it saved someone else (youngminii). We didn't know about it at the time, because BM's count was off, but the mafia (assuming for a moment that youngminii is red) would clearly have a much more accurate count. They might've assumed that BM's vote count would be a cover, but at any rate they needed to make sure to save their own member.
2) Subversion's post, in which he commented on how well the mafia were doing was (a) not true, and (b) something that I don't think I've ever heard anyone innocent ever say in a game of mafia. That's something I can see a new mafia member thinking a townie would say, but that's not something a townie would actually say.
Furthermore, lynching Subversion just makes plain sense from a town perspective. A whole host of people have put their reputations on the line to save Subversion. Nobody has said anything in chaoser's defense. Nobody has said anything in DTA's defense. They've been left to defend themselves, and, apparently to some people that looks guilty.
What does that mean? Aside from being absurdly suspicious, if we lynch Subversion, then we gain a ton of information. If Subversion flips red, then we catch youngminii right off the bat. citi.zen has been defending Subversion nearly every post he gets, albeit a little more subtlety. Almost everyone in the game is on record saying something about Subversion, which means that if we lynch him, we get to figure out who was right, and who was wrong and proceed from there.
None of the other lynch candidates are even close to as valuable as Subversion. If we lose another day lynching people who aren't mafia, then we're going to be in trouble.
Is anyone going to at least address Subversion's blue claim? I mean, apparently DTA is not even claiming blue, which was holding some people back. The softness of Subversion's claim is perhaps a bit suspicious, but why are all of his voters ignoring it?
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote:
im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm
but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far
even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die
so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what?
Pretty sure the last vote change is darth going chaoser to subversion so darth is on the block. He's not gonna help us tonight if blue he's gonna put a bomb on some innocent he's probably never mentioned and then deaths everywhere.
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On July 22 2010 10:38 DarthThienAn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 20 2010 22:59 bumatlarge wrote:Poor brownbear, suprised only one person is calling out darth for his posting  youd think mafia would jump on the chance of a towny greenclaiming Godfather. Unless hes mafia, then it all makes sense. You may argue that D3 could be scum, but would you really run head first into a vote as mafia without trying to at least convince someone that certain posting is detrimental. And if darth is red, then divinek is an easy pick after. I mean, hell why not lynch everyone darth has accused after. I think he might be trying to get caught. I see no traitor role. If you agree with me I suggest ignoring everything darth says after this. ##Vote DarthThienAn For Pyrr since I noticed this post while going through to do my own vote tally. To accuse me would draw attention to that mafia member for calling someone out on something that is so obviously a joke / invalid evidence. I've never said that d3 is scum. I'm implied that he should be posting more than he is, but other than that, I've never said anything one way or the other about him. My votes for him have been purely for entertainment value. Your argument to lynch me is... because you don't understand my posting behavior. You should start talking to Pyrr. Pyrr, I'm not sure why I should have replied to this seriously, if at all. Maybe you can paraphrase it to make it coherent?
I do think it is incoherent, I was more non-plussed that you responded to that and to the vote by zeks, when misder and I had already made better explanations that you didn't respond to until late today.
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On July 22 2010 10:41 Pandain wrote:Nah, ends at 12. At least not in 22 minutes.
Oh I saw this:
"day ends in 2 hours and 49 minutes and around 14 seconds... er make that 48 minutes and 40 seconds... you get the drift"
And thought that meant 48 minutes left lol.
So maybe there is 2:12 left?
lol
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On July 22 2010 10:45 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 10:41 SouthRawrea wrote:
Edit: Removed because what I wrote made no sense. o_o. you're not allowed to do that. BM I demand to see approval of this edit!
yea wtf
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On July 22 2010 10:31 Divinek wrote:
im totally game for saving darth's ass though if it comes down to it just because he's been sending me sexual messages via pm
but ill only vote for sub if it's necessary because i see him as more useful for us to lynch than darth at this point(info etc), since i think it's reasonable for either of them to be red it's all about convincing then and sub has convinced me to be more red than darth so far
even if darth is being a silly billy, i have faith he'll help us the next day or die
so is darth on the block if it's a tie right now or what?
I just wanna say this is really weird. Why doesn't he just switch?
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And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird.
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On July 22 2010 11:06 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 11:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Continued from last post:
And he didn't go on to do it. Even though I think Darth was on the block at the time. He still hasn't changed to anything (not sure where is vote is right now either). I imagine mafia would discuss this in PMs and would probably just PM BM to find out if Darth was on the block, so it doesn't seem scummy but it's really weird. it's more a lesser of two evils, this could easily be town on town dung flinging
Well I get it now, you're hot to trot on Amber[Light]. Can someone explain the case against Amber? I'd look it up myself but we've past 50 pages now so we can't open all the pages at once anymore.
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On July 22 2010 11:28 DarthThienAn wrote:
Question: if I am town, who does that implicate?
Subversion asked the same question. I don't get why we have to prove that we have more reds in our hands to vote for someone we think is red.
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On July 22 2010 11:31 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 11:23 youngminii wrote:On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.
I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too. I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum. Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do?
No
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On July 22 2010 11:39 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 11:35 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 22 2010 11:31 Subversion wrote:On July 22 2010 11:23 youngminii wrote:On July 22 2010 11:19 ~OpZ~ wrote:
*Addition*
Not only that, but tree.hugger says many reputations lie on it. My argument is against tree.hugger, because his reasoning is weak, but he chose to defend you and not subversion. WHich is why I'm voting to lynch you (not to mention you're play this game is annoying). He said youngmini defended subversion so it gives us insight into how mini is aligned, BUT mini defended you too...so how can he argue that?
He can't.
I'd be happy with Tree.Hugger's death too. I do think Tree.Hugger is quite town aligned. Early I learnt that Tree.Hugger had PM'd people saying 'if we lynch subversion and he flips red, then we have youngminii'. I pointed out that if Tree.Hugger was scum and subversion flipped green, then I'd be 'safe'. There's no logical reason why Tree.Hugger would tie me to subversion if subversion is town and Tree.Hugger is scum. Why would you think this makes him town aligned? All he is doing is putting forth a reason to vote me off. Me being town, this would be a pretty scum thing to do? No Errr... elaborate?
Townies don't know you are town so putting reasons to vote for you is not a scum thing to do.
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