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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 22:44 GMT
#2021
On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.

There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.


Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us
A) he is hatter
b) he is gf
c) he is suicide bomber
d)he is townie playing huge gambit
e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice)

Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info.

We lynch southrawr
A) is mafia trying to save himself
B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser
C) he flips green and we all go wtf

If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this.

This post doesn't even make sense. Citi.zen being lynched reveals either one of the 5 original scenarios. JUST ONE. And then what? Nothing. There's 2 bombs linked to citi.zen and that's two needless deaths.

We lynch southrawr and one of those scenarios goes off again. Except each of those scenarios give more information than any of citi.zen's scenarios (except the DT one). However, if southrawr flips red then that's pretty much confirmation for citi.zen being in a DT group.

Yes, I do believe chaoser is red. Yes, this is a great opportunity to get two scum kills. However I have logical reasoning. Your reasoning is flawed at best and you're continually circumventing my arguments and somehow getting away with it. I don't care if you're red or green or blue at the moment, all I know is that we have a golden opportunity at lynching two reds right now and you're standing in the way.
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 22:44 GMT
#2022
On July 25 2010 07:38 SouthRawrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.

There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.


That's not the only factor involved though. There is also likelihood based on who we're associating with. Don't we gain info on three total deaths if citi.zen is the mad hatter? There is much more potential info there then the 2 people we know will show up if I die. Also, if I were the mafia how do you gain info on Chaoser? Your supposed evidence that you gain is all circumstantial because of the nature of WIFOM. You sir are and idiot .

Mad hatter bomb deaths don't give any information. They give NOTHING. They are just needless deaths and bombs should be saved for the late game.

Also, do you know what WIFOM means? I gave solid evidence linking you and chaoser, there's nothing WIFOM or circumstantial about it.
lalala
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 24 2010 22:46 GMT
#2023
On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote:
Yes, I do believe chaoser is red. Yes, this is a great opportunity to get two scum kills. However I have logical reasoning. Your reasoning is flawed at best and you're continually circumventing my arguments and somehow getting away with it. I don't care if you're red or green or blue at the moment, all I know is that we have a golden opportunity at lynching two reds right now and you're standing in the way.


How do we get two red kills if SR is lynched? He's green, I'm "red" as you say, I die, 1 red dead. He's red, I don't die, 1 red dead.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
July 24 2010 22:47 GMT
#2024
On July 25 2010 07:28 chaoser wrote:
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LaKrismamma unvotes SouthRawrea, votes Southrawrea at 7:18 (sorry I bolded, this is just funny)


I didn't did I?? =)
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 22:47 GMT
#2025
On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this

IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.


Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't.

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On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.

Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...



I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia.
One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy.

Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia?


Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live.

As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 24 2010 22:47 GMT
#2026
On July 25 2010 07:47 lakrismamma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:28 chaoser wrote:
[
LaKrismamma unvotes SouthRawrea, votes Southrawrea at 7:18 (sorry I bolded, this is just funny)


I didn't did I?? =)


yeah you did
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 22:48 GMT
#2027
On July 25 2010 05:46 youngminii wrote:
For the record, I'd just like to point out the following. This is assuming SouthRawr flips red.
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 03:52 SouthRawrea wrote:
So far I've been trying to slip under the radar so I don't get lynched early on or killed at night. I've actually only placed one bomb thus far as I was a little hesitant to kill place two people at risk even if I suspect them. My only one at the moment is on chaoser but that was placed yesterday after seeing that he didn't get lynched. I decided to abstain from placing a second bomb because of the first vote placed on me by Bumat... I felt threatened. :/

## Vote Citizen for now

SouthRawr false claims. He is under heavy scrutiny and has barely participated in the game and the scum team knows his usefulness is running out. They make one last attempt to make use of him by agreeing for him to counter claim citi.zen. They also make him say that he placed a bomb no chaoser to try and 'remove' any suspicion on him.

Chaoser now goes into a state of bussing as he tries to make the most of the situation. If SouthRawr gets lynched, chaoser will come out looking innocent, if he doesn't get lynched, chaoser's rep remains the same.

Show nested quote +
If he IS bomber like he says he is, it'll just be me and him dying. That gives a lot of information against me/him such as those who where making a strong case against me/people who ADMITTEDLY jumped on him. If he's mafia, we just killed a mafia, good job, we still can't 100% trust citi.zen since it could be a ploy to sac one mafia to make the other one more trusted. Not saying that I don't trust you citi.zen, I'm just saying that's a possibility.

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On July 25 2010 05:31 chaoser wrote:
On July 25 2010 05:24 SouthRawrea wrote:
Look..I've been busy for the past few days anyways. Do you want me to go take a picture of everything that I've been doing in the backyard in the pouring rain? Just one yes is all I need. This is my first time ever playing a forum mafia game and I'm not used to this way of posting extremely long posts and having every single word scrutinized. The few times I've played the game people would say their reports, and chat in a chatbox. Not to mention this is filled with much more text. I've never even encountered the Mad Hatter role. If you look at the game EpicMafia, although they have like 50 roles, they don't have a single one that I know of that resembles the one in this game. I figured that it was a town-favoured role that was only supposed to be used later in the game when you had a higher chance of hitting the mafia with your bombs. Hence why I only placed one on the person I was most suspicious of at the time. What we could be doing here is giving citi.zen all the info he needs if he is mafia to win the game for that side. DT claims especially.


We're not saying he's 100% confirmed and that everyone, blue included, should run to him roleclaiming, we're saying you gotta die. I'm fine with dying with you and if you really were town, you wouldn't mind dying. Both of you claimed bomber. There can only be 1 bomber since Tricode said he was vigi. Unless he's lying and both of you are bombers but that means BC is lying too about being hit. Someone HAS to die, either you or citi.zen cause you both claimed. We can get lots of information depending on how you flip. I'd rather you die cause if you ARE red, there's lots of info that would come out of it. If you aren't info still comes out but the better thing is that only TWO people will die, me and you. Citi.zen said he placed both his bombs. That's 3 dead. Let's go to heaven together if you're townie baby.

Look at this play: By saying "I'm willing to die with you to confirm citi.zen's bomber claim" he can look 'innocent'. He KNOWS that citi.zen's claim is real and so he puts on this charade to make the most of this situation.

This is all assuming SouthRawr is red. What else can we learn from this? I'm only focusing on chaoser's posts in regard to SouthRawr's claim, there's heaps more information that can be analysed. Also, this tells us that the mafia team isn't very organised. A truly organised (pro) mafia team wouldn't do this type of play. It sticks out like a sore thumb and has lots of risks involved. Assuming SouthRawr flips red we can safely assume that there may only be one or no 'pro' players in the mafia team.

So I implore you, vote SouthRawr as it will give us the most information, more so than lynching citi.zen. I also implore you to double lynch as it will be the most beneficial after this shitstorm.

##Vote Double Lynch

lalala
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
July 24 2010 22:48 GMT
#2028
On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote:
I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes.

So much for 50/50.


You bring up a very good point here, and I think everyone should read it. It is still possible that Tricode is the liar, and there are 2 Mad Hatters in the game.
SUNSFANNED
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 24 2010 22:48 GMT
#2029
On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.

There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.


Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us
A) he is hatter
b) he is gf
c) he is suicide bomber
d)he is townie playing huge gambit
e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice)

Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info.

We lynch southrawr
A) is mafia trying to save himself
B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser
C) he flips green and we all go wtf

If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this.

This is pretty persuasive to me. Southrawrea has not come up linked to anyone for me in any kind of a "circle" while citizen has even admittedly been acting in a more concerted way with others. SR account of how he used the bombs seems pretty logical to me, and if he's red there's gotta be all sorts of complicated bussing and not-bussing going on which would probably be impossible to tease out. Citizen gives way more info and youngminii's reply to this same post gives no warrants otherwise, just his usual angst. Seems like citizen might be lying low to give no more info.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
July 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#2030
On July 25 2010 07:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this

IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.


Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't.

On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.

Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...



I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia.
One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy.

Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia?


Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live.

As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might.

You know offering South hasn't saved you, don't you? You just dug the hole deeper.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#2031
On July 25 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote:
I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes.

So much for 50/50.


You bring up a very good point here, and I think everyone should read it. It is still possible that Tricode is the liar, and there are 2 Mad Hatters in the game.

There has to be a Vigi, there was a third hit on Night 2 remember (assuming d3 was telling the truth, but I have no reason to doubt)?
lalala
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#2032
On July 25 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote:
I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes.

So much for 50/50.


You bring up a very good point here, and I think everyone should read it. It is still possible that Tricode is the liar, and there are 2 Mad Hatters in the game.


I would think Tricode's story is the most believable.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference."
SiNiquity
Profile Joined April 2010
United States734 Posts
July 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#2033
On July 25 2010 07:39 youngminii wrote:
The above posts are absolutely ridiculous and should not be taken into consideration (dumb wifom exercise). Also, @ siniquity there are 3 KP roles that have more or less claimed so far, it is very likely that either one of citi.zen and south is lying. Your post leads me to somewhat believe that you're covering up for South (scum) in case citi.zen is lynched and he flips MH. What you are doing seems to be like something a common badly organised scum member would do so I don't really know what to think about your scummyness at the moment.


Dude you need to get a grip. I am aware that 3 KP roles have claimed, and that it's probably down to citi.zen and southrawrea. I never said otherwise.

Ahh, I see now. You should've quoted my post. Sorry, that was poor terrible wording on my part. When I said

On July 25 2010 07:36 SiNiquity wrote:
Similarly, if citi.zen flips MH, we can't just kill South next day as he's likely IT as well.

It's a 50/50 shot, and neither is going to be "conclusive."


I meant the choice on who to lynch today isn't going to be conclusive. The result of the lynch will be conclusive (barring crazy Mafia Tricode/BC ploy). Though if Mafia played their cards right, we're not going to get a chance to be wrong. Again, terrible wording on my part
'i' before 'e' except after 'c' ~ it's scientifically proven.
SouthRawrea
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada608 Posts
July 24 2010 22:50 GMT
#2034
On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:38 SouthRawrea wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.

There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.


That's not the only factor involved though. There is also likelihood based on who we're associating with. Don't we gain info on three total deaths if citi.zen is the mad hatter? There is much more potential info there then the 2 people we know will show up if I die. Also, if I were the mafia how do you gain info on Chaoser? Your supposed evidence that you gain is all circumstantial because of the nature of WIFOM. You sir are and idiot .

Mad hatter bomb deaths don't give any information. They give NOTHING. They are just needless deaths and bombs should be saved for the late game.

Also, do you know what WIFOM means? I gave solid evidence linking you and chaoser, there's nothing WIFOM or circumstantial about it.


I'm saying if I were mafia what if I were just chose someone random so that when I died and it showed I was mafia, people like you would jump on Chaoser's vote. Or if I were mafia and chose Chaoser but pretended it was someone random so that I could refute your argument like this. Or if I were mafia and chose someone random but pretended to choose Chaoser -> someone random so you would lynch them. You go around claiming people are noobs but it seems to me you're the real noob here.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 24 2010 22:51 GMT
#2035
On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote:
I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes.

So much for 50/50.

HOLY SHIT. I did not think of that. That is totally something BC would organize and for some reason I overlooked it. Tricode actually sticks out more to me but for some reason I haven't even been thinking about him since I figured 1 vigi 1 hatter made sense. Hmm... we're gonna have to think this through a lot more.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#2036
On July 25 2010 07:44 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:29 youngminii wrote:
This is ridiculous, I can't believe this many people are actually voting for citi.zen. Let me say it one more time.

There is more information to be gained if SouthRawr is lynched than if citi.zen is lynched. Also, you are a mafia noob, not just a mafia, not just a noob.


Thing is your wrong. Citizen being lynched reveals us
A) he is hatter
b) he is gf
c) he is suicide bomber
d)he is townie playing huge gambit
e) he is dt (would be bad and he would have to claim this to save himself, although by lying once he could be doing it twice)

Now, if he is hatter, he dies kills two people (we get info based on who died remember), we get info based on those heavily accusing him, we get a confirmed dt (the one that checked him has checked someone else remember) his dt can then check the other dt confirming him and the circle is formed regardless and we get a ton of info.

We lynch southrawr
A) is mafia trying to save himself
B) is hatter with one bomb on chaoser
C) he flips green and we all go wtf

If he dies, we find out hes either a red trying to save himself or that hes a hatter with a bomb on someone you have been pressuring to kill all game. Regardless of his death, all we know is he was inactive till being called out. we get no info on really anyone else in this game. You just want to get chaoser killed and are pushing this.

This post doesn't even make sense. Citi.zen being lynched reveals either one of the 5 original scenarios. JUST ONE. And then what? Nothing. There's 2 bombs linked to citi.zen and that's two needless deaths.

We lynch southrawr and one of those scenarios goes off again. Except each of those scenarios give more information than any of citi.zen's scenarios (except the DT one). However, if southrawr flips red then that's pretty much confirmation for citi.zen being in a DT group.

Yes, I do believe chaoser is red. Yes, this is a great opportunity to get two scum kills. However I have logical reasoning. Your reasoning is flawed at best and you're continually circumventing my arguments and somehow getting away with it. I don't care if you're red or green or blue at the moment, all I know is that we have a golden opportunity at lynching two reds right now and you're standing in the way.



I don't think you understand this. You have had an obvious vendetta against chaoser from day 1 it seems yet he is playing obviously more town aligned than you are. Where as he is being moderately helpful to a debate you keep finding new wonderful ways to try and get him killed.

As for south dying? what information does it give if hes red? It doesn't link chaoser, it doesn't link really anyone. Citizens plan was bleh and its getting shown as such. Whereas you get information regardless of citizens flip, a fair bit of info actually, potential confirmed dt a day earlier, YOU GET INFORMATION ON ALL DEATHS, get that through your head now. Anyone who dies has information associated to them. They made posts, they were targeted for whatever reason, and it links back. If he is red we have offed a higher ranking red. IF he is a front man for a dt/hatter the general fact he lied to the town means he can't have power regardless as he could just keep lying.

You seriously need to take a step back, take a deep breathe, then go back and start over.
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
July 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#2037
On July 25 2010 07:50 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this

IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.


Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't.

On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.

Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...



I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia.
One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy.

Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia?


Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live.

As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might.

You know offering South hasn't saved you, don't you? You just dug the hole deeper.

If citi.zen is not red/SouthRawr is red then at least 3 of the following: SouthRawr, chaoser, BC, siniquity and infundibuxlxlum are implicated. I'll write up an analysis (not that any of you will read it) when the actual kill happens.
lalala
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#2038
On July 25 2010 07:50 zeks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:48 BrownBear wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:40 SiNiquity wrote:
I bet Tricode and BC are cackling maniacally at their good fortune. Kill a medic, claim 3rd hit + protection (both unverifiable), draw out the other 2 KP roles. Let them kill each other. Bonus is that they're both hatters instead of vigilantes.

So much for 50/50.


You bring up a very good point here, and I think everyone should read it. It is still possible that Tricode is the liar, and there are 2 Mad Hatters in the game.


I would think Tricode's story is the most believable.

Is that just because he posted first? It didn't make sense for BC to be hit by a vigi at that time, maybe tricode and bc got the idea from their history together and spun it from there.
zeks
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada1068 Posts
July 24 2010 22:52 GMT
#2039
^ lol this would only seem masterful of BC cause citi.zen claimed hatter to start this whole chain of events
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
July 24 2010 22:53 GMT
#2040
On July 25 2010 07:50 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2010 07:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:41 lakrismamma wrote:
On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


see bolded part. He wasn't actually cleared with no counterclaim for a reason I listed earlier which was this

IF you were the mad hatter and you saw someone claim your role, You know instantly he's most likely red. You then wait a day, move your bomb to him get lynched following day (confirms both of you). Instead, he said "if no one claims im legit." He did however get a claim, regardless, his point was moot regardless.


Agaisn you are using the fact that people are looking up to you to present some solutions that are not evident at all.Not everybody would play like this I sure as hell wouldn't.

On July 25 2010 07:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I most likely wont trust citizen until he proves to be trustworthy. He is far too inactive at this point for the plan he proposed. He has legimate concerns raised against him, a counter claim, etc....
Where is he? Nowhere to be found, instead people who have been semi inactive all game have decided to vouch for him. It comes of as extremely suspicious.

Also, it has no matter where he placed his bombs. If he has them on reds or not. A dt circle is still confirmed, and as much as dead townies suck to have, they do lower the dt pool of checked targets finding reds faster. Anyone who flips red dies, then its a hunt for the gf. If you find three of one blue role, boom you found him, etc...



I find it weird that you can chose between two people, oneof them is mafia.
One you have already made a case against and told that he is most likely mafia. Still you vote on the other guy.

Was you play earlier a scam to get people to trust you because you found Southrawrea as mafia?


Simple, i based one persons scum level based on activity, and the person I am now voting for put out an option with holes and not only has not refuted them, has barely even touched the hatter claim. Instead he is rallying on "trust" to get him through without being here. What to you is more scummy? Someone proposing a make or break strategy with the idea of "trust me" while vanishing into the night, or someone who desperately wants to live.

As for hatter play, maybe you wouldn't play like that BUT I am giving a logical idea of what someone might do. Just because you wouldn't do it, nor consider it a viable option is odd as your assuming someone else is completely legit, or that people always play this game under a normal sense of "logic". Not considering it a viable option because you wouldn't do it as other players might.

You know offering South hasn't saved you, don't you? You just dug the hole deeper.


You know letting your mafia fight your battles for you hasn't saved you right? It just shows how scum you are and hoping people miss it.
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