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On June 27 2010 11:12 JeeJee wrote: so if someone dies and believes L is guilty, how are they going to write his name backwards? <3 _| ftw thank god his name isnt like W or something | ||
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On July 02 2010 14:24 Korynne wrote: We can't just say that youngminii. Maybe /you/ would never let Zeks do that if you were the mason. But masons can talk to each other and they know more than we do as town by knowing each others roles so they might decide it's a good idea depending on what they know. Maybe one of them's a roleblocker and so they'll just roleblock zeks and see what happens and tell us the results tomorrow. You can't just say, oh masons would never do that. The whole point is that people kind of all do whatever, they don't really listen to you. I guess I'm finally starting to get it. Somebody is not going to like whatever plan whoever puts out, and if that person is the mason, and convinces the other mason. Well we would have zeks running around while everyone thinks he's a mason. I mean I'd say 80% chance he's mason, we just have to keep that 20% in mind if anything weird shows up. Also like I said, zeks, you should post an encrypted message in the thread, and give the key to your mason partner. If you die and we ever need to verify your partner, we will be using that key to do it. well i think at this point pretty much everone has seen the roleclaim, or atleast enough so one of the two masons would notice it? I couldn't see them be foolish enough to not call him out for it if it was a fake roleclaim because it would be far too easy of a kill. Though i suppose it could be a move from a town power role if he didnt want to get recruited? On July 02 2010 05:45 Bill Murray wrote: You all need to be with me on this one, last game I would have won for the town. you really need to calm yourself. All you did last game was attack people without any idea of what you were doing, or following through with any sort of conviction. I think you called out half the people in the game all on day one, odds are one of them is going to be red but it doesnt matter if you dont stay on them. Though if you're actually gonna do that here thumbs up On July 01 2010 13:25 Korynne wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2010 13:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't think this plan would work very well. Even if we did have a roleblocker on our side and we declared a target for him/her, we could not guarantee someone as town for more than a day. The godfather could always recruit the roleblocked person the next night. Also, can the mafia choose not to kill at night? If so then the mafia could choose not to kill when the roleblocked player is townie so that the town lynches the townie the next day and throws off our numbers for a bit. I don't understand why you say that the mafia have to sacrifice a night kill to kill the roleblocked guy, he is only safe for a day unless you plan on having him roleblocked for the whole game. That would hurt if he/she was a blue role and the chances that we have a roleblocker drop each day. This method uses our lynches to find the mafia, but unless we find the godfather we are just fighting a losing battle. Keeping the mafia numbers down is good though, so there is merit to this strategy. I suppose the longer the town can keep ahead of the mafia the more the godfather will have to say and the easier he/she will be found. Man, do I have to explain everything 5 times before people get it? xD It's not to declare that person as town, it's to not waste lynches on townies. At that point, they are not mafia, so at that point, killing them is lowering town power. We want to keep as many people around as possible. If mafia chooses not to kill that night, then they wasted a night kill! So instead of killing someone they choose, they have to not kill someone, so that the person we chose dies. That sounds like a pretty friggin awesome deal to me. We vote to roleblock one person every night, and we vote to lynch that person if no night kill went on at night. So at most 1 person dies per day/night cycle, which prolongs the game which should be good for townies. We're not really using lynches to find mafia as much as like, forcing mafia+town down to 1KP. And we never let a mafia go unlynched unless it's GF. This is a perfectly awesome idea unless we have no roleblocker or roleblocker is mafia'd. so this is basically just slowing down how many townies we might mislynch by a day, and potentially if we get really lucky either stops recruitment or kp for the night and we find a red? But i thought that the later the game goes the worse it gets for town, and increases the red chance to win? However especially in the starting phase this seems like the most sound way to approach the game with no information because at this point it's just confused townies throwing around wild accusations that are no more useful than implementing something like this. | ||
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'oh noes more days gives gf more time to build' well really that's what we want cause when there's one mafia, we are doing nothing but guessing because he's not reacting differently than anyone else because he doesnt know anything different about anyone else. But as there start to become more reds, it will be more obvious who isnt attacking each other and there will be lapses because they have more information to go with to actually give real reads, not noob reads that alot of people seem to like. | ||
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On July 02 2010 20:14 Abenson wrote: My thoughts on the BM vs Korynne fight: I keep having a weird feeling that Korynne is the real GF, and BM is a townie/blue... But then again it's just a feeling/instinct and shouldn't be acted upon. well based on his play last game then this does line up with his townie style but you never know if that crazy bm has adapted to that! But seriously he's quite likely town at this point. It would be odd for korynne to suggest such a seemingly good plan and to be GF, unless there's magically some even better benefits for red? But I cant see them | ||
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other than that looks good i think. Good to keep track of this too because vote analysis is really important | ||
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On July 03 2010 01:02 lakrismamma wrote: Well he has the odds on his side for the first recruit. its 90 % chance that the player gets recruited so I think the godfather has just playe the odds and PM:d the mafia. yes the GF is not one of the roles that may pm, so he can't do this at all | ||
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And obviously if it does catch on reds are going to roleclaim as well and things are just going to get more cluster fucked. Besides the main flaw in that strategy is a dream catcher doesnt fill in the role of the person recruited it's " But if any blue role gets recruited by the mafia, you will be given a random blue role (Detective, Jailkeeper, Mad Hatter, Veteran, Roleblocker, or Coroner)." So that wouldn't tell you at all who got recruited... That or I'm not understanding how this would actually work and you're relying far too much on people not doing stupid shit | ||
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On July 03 2010 02:57 rastaban wrote: We really have to catch the GF though, even if we could lynch the new mafia 100% every day we would still lose since wouldn't ever catch the GF. Until he is dead killing mafia only delays the inevitable.the weird thing is that if we knew we had a mafia we would be better off roleblocking them and randomly lynching someone else since it would give us better odds on the GF. the hard part is it'd be perfectly fine for the gf to scum hunt almost as hard as we are. Obviously it wouldn't be a hunt for him, but if all he has to do to keep attention off him self is provide more 'evidence' against someone he knows is a recruit of his (obviously without slipping because if heprovides too much fabricated proof he might give himself up). Then all the better because he only needs to be keeping 1 mafia alive a night to keep the killing/recruiting rolling | ||
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On July 03 2010 05:27 DCLXVI wrote: I will not be modkilled, I have just been very busy. However, Elyas is very likely to be killed tonight whether it be by lynch or modkill. Do we want to use a lynch on him? would we rather have him be modkilled and cut down on the number of suspects? I don't know if we have enough information now to drag up a decent list of suspects so I am not sure of anyone else we want to lynch. Abenson just seems to be new to the game and afraid to post, so I don't like him as a lynch suspect either. Unfortunately, I have to leave now for 6 hours or so so I will not be able to see any last minute bandwagons. I don't really like any of the candidates, but I will vote abenson to make him post more(not that I will be able to see it in time) pretty hard to have real supsects when there's only 1 mafia member who has no more information than any of us do at this point. Hell there might not even be a mafia yet if the gf got unlucky. For the first day it almost always has to be the inactives because they're as good as dead anyways, but if we let them coast by they could come back into the game at some point (and especially in a game like this) we wont know exactly what that means. Or have anything to compare to based on changes over time etc | ||
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On July 03 2010 06:32 Hesmyrr wrote: Hmm, for better or worse ElyAs seem to be heading toward mod-kill. Changing my vote to Abenson; this should essentially be nice free double lynch. Is there any candidate for roleblock besides YI, Korynne, or esterban? Have you read none of this to understand why double lynching this early would be a bad thing? You're far more likely to hit a blue than a red if you're voting for no reason. Though I'm all in favour of pressuring inactive people to post more, but I'm not entirely sure if you're doing that or just bandwagoning on with some other people. It's always much better to actually post your reasons for voting for people, cause it could be interpreted poorly if you change without reason. | ||
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On July 03 2010 10:45 L wrote: Well we sure as hell can't lynch them night 1 as is, and we already committed to not lynching them immediately under the old plan. We aren't giving up the RB at all, either. It just becomes less exploitable. If the RB doesn't pull up a mafia, and chances are it won't, there's no need for the blocker to reveal himself day 3 either. That said, if we don't hit a mafia on or before day 3, run the math. I already did. We're put into a massive hole. so you're saying that with coroner(s) that we have their best timing would be for one of them to pop on night 2? I'm still confused if it's possible to have multiple of the same role before someone is killed, and if we have two of the same role like a coroner if they both pop it the same night or both roleblockers block the same person or something would one action be wasted? or would they be told to select another person/time or something | ||
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On July 03 2010 11:59 DarthThienAn wrote: His "role" could easily be townie. You read it as "blue" ^_^. nah the way you worded it definitely made it look like more than townie | ||
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Because it'd be just swell for them if we mislynch and hit 1 of the lovers and kill 2 for the mob for free. | ||
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On July 03 2010 15:07 BrownBear wrote: Guys flamewheel is totally mafia we should lynch him mmkay lynch him and bum for starting all this spam in the thread | ||
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On July 04 2010 03:16 YellowInk wrote: Kind of suspicious that you left out the best plan. kind of odd you comment on that then dont include it yourself | ||
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On July 04 2010 05:38 youngminii wrote: ^ Terrible post. Since we're nearing D2 and we're not concrete on any plan yet, I think we should default to Korynne's original plan for N1 'cause that was discussed the most. The last thing we need is the roleblocker to not read half of this stuff and be confused as to which plan to follow. So it'll be good if you roleblock YellowInk. If everyone wants to follow L's modified plan I don't think we should do it N1, because it'll cause too much confusion as we're nearing the deadline. And confusion is the greatest tool of scum. it's kinda like opposite ends of the spectrum, lynch the most inactive player then roleblock the person who makes the largest and most posts, are at least one of them! Makes good sense really cause why randomly try to roleblock a potential red that isnt doing us any harm when you can block one potentially causing confusion Not that it stops them from confusing anyone or posting more but it can certainly put the spotlight on the person if things go a certain way | ||
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Hopefully he wasnt randomly some power role | ||
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Because if our claimed mason is lying we don't know it, only the mob would know. Just seems giving the mob 100% real info while town is only getting info as far as we can reasonably trust doesnt seem as good for us. So we go on his word that he's a confirmed townie when he could easily be red and why would anyone ever question it, because as soon as a real mason steps out to say something about it they're either going to die, or they're just going to actually give the gf a person not to waste a recruit attempt on. And even if we figure all this out and lynch the fake claimed mason that's just 1 of infinitely many mafia down while a real mason is actually outed and we wouldnt know it to protect for sure until it was too late. Cause none of this stuff can be confirmed without a DT check or coroner after death and why waste a check on a claimed mason as a GF would never be dumb enough to do something like that. At least i see it as nearly beneficial for both of the masons to stay silent and keep the GF's odds lower on success while maybe pushing for the lynch of the fake claimer? That's if it's actually fake, while thus far it could be reasonable to assume it's real. Or maybe that doesnt quite play out like i think it does but hurrah for generating discussion And if our mason really is a mason why waste any actions on him, since red thinks we're going to protect him they wouldnt waste time trying to take him out since they figure he's going to be safe anyways. Though i guess there's not much else to use a jailkeeper for unless you're going to be randomly trying to stop recruitment and that has a pretty slim chance of working sooo yeah. Not that im at this point claiming L to be scummy for the plan, but maybe he could go into more depth how it'd be more useful for town than mob. | ||
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On July 04 2010 13:39 youngminii wrote: This is the most wifomy post I've seen in this entire game. Please, for the love of God, please stop saying that Zeks is a fake mason. im not saying he is fake im saying based on the chance he could be fake giving the mob guaranteed info is better for them than giving us uncertain info. yes if he confirms it we're better off, but most of this god damn game is wifom bullshit i hate that abbreviation | ||
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you're retarded | ||
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god damn i hate spamming a bunch of posts together because ideas dont come to me all at the same time of one post can you explain in detail what my scumtells are? cause im obviously so bad i dont know that the way im posting is scum tells rofl i understand that people take the noobie level of reading some wifom question as a scum tell in a game that revolves around a wifom concept. The only thing that can be confirmed are the roles of the dead, and maybe some reasonable connections can be made if a dt fingers a gf and we find the dead to indeed be the gf or something you do realize that | ||
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and im still wondering why it's better for us to have information we cant confirm than it is to give the mafia guaranteed good info | ||
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ah you're quite right actually now that youngminii master scum hunter has pegged me certain for death i suppose it's only a matter of time until he pegs my comrades that or i can laugh at him after the game for how wonggggg he is, now i have to go outside for many hours so hopefully our trusty gumshoe can out the rest of the game and i can stop posting contentless dribble btw bumatlarge gf! | ||
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On July 05 2010 01:28 BrownBear wrote: We're going to have to very very closely watch what every single player posts, and the second someone slips up, lynch them. Simple as that. Honestly, without coroner I think we might be screwed. there's always the chance he was actually the traitor trying to mess with us and just said coroner that or we pray we started with 2/lucked out with dream catcher | ||
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 that and i want other people to actually respond to stuff instead of me responding to your raaaaaaaaaaage | ||
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On July 05 2010 07:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, after talking to DTA he needs to update his OP with how dream catchers work. If a blue is recruited/or dies the dream catcher gets a random role. His OP states that it is only if a blue is recruited. So if Lakris' death post is truthful (ie hes not traitor/gf), we have to hope that a) there is another coroner or B) that whatever dream catcher (if we have one) hit that magical 1 in 6 chance of getting coroner. As such, any plans thought of from this point on should just ignore the possibilities of a coroner for now. Bleh what a fucked situation to walk into. "But if any blue role dies or gets recruited by the mafia, wat, that's right from the OP | ||
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On July 05 2010 07:53 youngminii wrote: No wait, I know the answer. Too busy hanging out with your scum friend. ya you got me so pegged bro when i flip red im going to congratulate you on your excellent detective work | ||
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On July 06 2010 08:52 Ace wrote: still drinking but um there is a reason I called for mass RC so fast: You guys keep talking as if there are a lot of scum running around. There will be 3 at the end of tonight? I want everyone to roleclaim now while most are still unrecruited. It's the only way we can hold people accountable since townies shouldn't lie. Once again I really don't care about power roles in this situation - I want to zerg rush the scum through our sheer numbers. The longer you wait to claim the worse off the town gets. why dont you claim first bro rofl jk since there's no other way im going to be able to use my ability im coroner and abenson is my townie lover, so i dont know if that'll be enough to save us so i can atleast pop my check this night but at this point i dont think me and him have any other option if we want to stay alive i repeat im coroner and abenson is my lover so we both need to stay alive so i can pop tonight i figured i really didnt want to claim but you guys want to really kill either me or him and i dont want another coroner wasted so there you have it as for my guess for GF? im saying bumatlarge cause he hasnt posted much at all lately | ||
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On July 06 2010 10:29 Chezinu wrote: Well, if they were true lovers they would have posted the exact same post at the exact same time. You guys should write a poem about me and post it at the exact same time. if abenson was actually active more than 5 minutes a day this might be possible | ||
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then they can just nk me or abenson and we're both dead, though i wonder if they will. while getting two for 1 is a pretty good deal we're pretty useless and now neither of us has any special power lol | ||
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On July 06 2010 11:10 Chezinu wrote: That means Divinek is either a bold GF, or a recruit that could have possibly switch his vote to save a fellow mafia recruit and may have just killed his godfather bumatlarge. So either way, it would be a risky move for mafia. it'd be really stupid of me to do this as gf cause why would i try to save abenson? gf cant be lover, and he was going to die anyways so i think worst case is we're both red | ||
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at least this shows the mafias ability to stay under the radar! i popped my coroner like literally at 11 tl time so it damn well better go through | ||
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i work 12 hour shifts plus the stuff i have to do before+after work before being able to check the computer so im away for atleast 14 hours at a time | ||
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On July 07 2010 08:19 Bill Murray wrote: to reiterate: there are likely only around 9 townies and 4 scum there will be 7 townies and 5 scum tomorrow it is lynch or lose if we do not get information, WE ARE NOT LYNCHING DIVINEK. HE IS A PAWN. WE ARE LYNCHING YELLOWINK. we're lynching you ya scum fuck | ||
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good to know me and my lover didnt get double nk'd :D | ||
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but until we have something better to go on this works | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:39 BrownBear wrote: Let's talk about Abenson. L claimed he was scum in his death post, now thanks to Divinek we know L was both traitor and scum. Do we think this clears Abenson, or do we think the GF recruited him? Personally, I'm thinking he is town. im fairly fairly sure he is town but im not positive. I would say look for better targets than him for now, because it's not like he's posting tons of spammy shit trying to confuse us like BM fingering everyone, and calling me a liar etc. But he's not posting content either.. so ya | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:24 Bill Murray wrote: MAFIA'S VICTORY PLAN: YELLOWINK MAKES DIVINEK, AN IDIOT, "POP A CORONER" LOL YOUNGMINII, A RECENT RECRUIT, IS TOLD TO FAKE DT CITI.ZEN WE WILL NOT EVER HEAR IF HE WAS THE GF LYNCH YELLOWINK YOU GUYS he didnt make me do anything, i had to do it cause i was gonna die without being able to use my ability god you're bad at everything | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:29 Bill Murray wrote: You MAY think I'm "BAD", but that doesn't mean anything. My play is improving, believe it or not. bc just said the same thing, divinek. sorry i insulted you, bro, but they used you for this plan. it's actually a good plan, i would have fallen for it too bro. you are a confirmed blue, i am a blue too. let's NOT FIGHT. ok? stop playing our side so wrecklessly to make everyone think you're scum then | ||
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On July 07 2010 13:31 zeks wrote: ^ wtf when did I even talk about Abenson quote me on it Why are we unvoting double lynch everyone vote double lynch please kthx rationale please | ||
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but some of the things we're leading up to will give pretty strong support of certain things | ||
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On July 08 2010 03:29 BrownBear wrote: Divinek - were you dream catcher originally or just Coroner straight up? I can't seem to find a point where you clarify this for sure. If you are straight up coroner, I have to say having 3 coroners in the game seems absolutely silly to me. We could have gotten extremely lucky with dreamcatcher, but that sounds too much like wishful thinking. YellowInk's plan sounds like a solid plan, in the case we are extremely lucky or Darth was awesome and gave us 3 coroners. However, we shouldn't really be planning for these longshot circumstances, we should be planning for what's most likely. In that vein, Hesmyrr has some great ideas and a good solid summary of the last 7 pages or so, so I highly recommend you read that, especially those of you prone to skimming/ignoring the thread sometimes (coughcoughChezcoughcoughAbensoncoughcoughme) Also, mass roleclaim is no longer necessary, given the information we got last night. someone asked me that exact question and i already answered it i promise so gl finding the post! | ||
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On July 08 2010 07:45 Abenson wrote: I know I make tons of one liners and triple post all the time, but having an "archive" or posts is always useful for analyzing later on (lots of previous games had people make them) Who knows, that burst of 9 posts might prove to be vital/helpful later on. WHY DONT YOU TRY AND DO SOME ANALYSIS PLEASE GOOD SIR also why would you claim jailkeeper then before the nk went through claim vet, that makes no sense to me why would you claim vet ever in fact, unless we were about to lynch you | ||
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On July 08 2010 11:38 Bill Murray wrote: I'd also like to note that: I voted citi.zen after seeing he claimed 2 dt checks with 1 checkable night I simply missed that why do we need to double lynch? why did you claim vet? (why would anyone ever claim vet?) | ||
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On July 09 2010 08:59 Bill Murray wrote: i actually have a very high iq, believe it or not. people with high iq's def need to say they do also im really liking the plan of flat out ignoring bm but it gets hard when 9/10 posts are his useless crap is worst town ever a good enough reason for lynch | ||
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On July 10 2010 09:44 Chezinu wrote: Divinek, I have a question, did you get recruited? why would i get recruited | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:12 Youngminii wrote: I'm too good at this shit. I shall henceforth be known as Scumhunter Youngminii. yeah you sure sniffed me out you scum hunting genious. and yi too god you're amazing | ||
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On July 13 2010 17:26 Chezinu wrote: Oh and I wasn't totally lying about decoding zek's message, I pmed Darth the results. it wasnt hard the message was 15 letters logn and there was only 1 player with 15 letters lol i figured it out right away too but didnt say anything | ||
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On July 14 2010 09:23 Chezinu wrote: wow, citi.zen got lynched with two bombs on him. yeah good job hatters! | ||
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though we won this with barely 1 coroner, it seems we just super lucked out hitting the gf nearly asap with a really lucky dt check, but if we had our dt randomly nk'd, especially before finding the gf, we'd have almost lost for sure | ||
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