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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 08 2010 05:29 Bill Murray wrote: Add in the fact that you claimed this today instead of, say, tomorrow... you know, after the mafia make their hits based on your claim.being the veteran, though, the only way you all can counterract me having 2 lives is stupidly lynching me and wasting a soakable hit You're a liar, Bill Murray. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Bill Murray's babbling] + yadayadayadayada+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2010 05:40 Bill Murray wrote: if you are town you are a terrible player to not endorse that, so you must be scum On July 08 2010 05:40 Bill Murray wrote: i am just telling you how it is On July 08 2010 05:41 Bill Murray wrote: wake up and imagine the possibilities of me being townie, jailkeeper, or veteran if im townie, which should i claim? jailkeeper if i'm jailkeeper, which should i claim? if im veteran, which should i claim? jailkeeper On July 08 2010 05:42 Bill Murray wrote: me being a veteran, jailkeeper, or townie is irrelevant let's move on to who would be good targets to lynch after citi.zen i can't believe i missed him claiming 2 detections lol On July 08 2010 05:42 Bill Murray wrote: furthermore, please don't quote any of my last 3 posts. just respond to them, please. if you are scum, quote them if you are not scum, and are playing for the town, take my word and don't quote them On July 08 2010 05:50 Bill Murray wrote: ........ THATS WHAT SHE SAID On July 08 2010 05:55 Bill Murray wrote: "you are fail and was" your grammar is fail On July 08 2010 05:56 Bill Murray wrote: Furthermore, this was not a gambit at all. I have very good ideas for the town from this perspective. More on that later. On July 08 2010 05:58 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler +still waiting on a scum to quote one of my posts and fall into my trap ![[image loading]](http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/its_a_trap.jpg) | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 08 2010 06:27 Hesmyrr wrote: I know it wasn't directed towards me, but until BM decides to say something both intelligent and productive, my stance will remain as such:OH BURN He quoted all nine, there must be one of your intended scum trap somewhere, rite? @Abenson: How is YellowInk's post useful? Only thing he did was lump Bill Murray's post together and offer no complete insight about it at all. Also, since BM did not turn out to be jail-keeper, should the amendment to YI plan be necessary? On July 08 2010 05:34 YellowInk wrote: If he continues to spam, I will either ignore him or taunt him mercilessly depending on my mood. I'll keep my gaming him sufficiently concise as to not be disruptive, no worries.You're a liar, Bill Murray. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 08 2010 08:41 Bill Murray wrote: and with that I'M being told I'm "stifling discussion"? you all are the ones pushing a policy lynch on a pro-town player! On July 07 2010 14:29 Bill Murray wrote: You say you're a scummy player, then you say you're a pro-town player. This contradicts. Obviously you claim to be town, but there's no way you can claim to be scummy then shortly thereafter claim to be pro town. If you're going to play scummy (which is a valid playstyle), it will have certain repercussions. Double talk like this won't help your case, though. Your play style is not pro town even if you are town aligned.scummy=/=scum i am a scummy player i am not scum i am a power role, specifically, our jailkeeper. On July 08 2010 08:41 Bill Murray wrote: ok. if you go back and look through most of citi.zen's posts, they have been negative towards me. On July 07 2010 15:02 Bill Murray wrote: You had just gotten done saying that using citi.zen's info was WIFOM, now you're using it to defend yourself. This is scummy play. Not the good kind of scummy play that draws scum out to jump on you. The bad scummy play that just makes you look bad to everyone. There are many more examples like this throughout your thread.also, what i mean to say is i should have seen him break that jeep's scum tell when he said "bm is town". He wouldn't do that to a fellow mafia member at all. This whole argument on me is WIFOM so give it a rest. In summary, if you are town, you should at this point make nothing but reserved and well thought out posts. Contribute to the discussion, put in your opinions. If you try to barrel people over they're just going to point back to everything that's happened today and discount what you have to say. If this is the position you wanted to be in, that's cool. If not, hopefully you'll see why what happened happened and set yourself up better next game. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 08 2010 11:36 Bill Murray wrote: These words, I do not think they mean what you think they mean:No, it does not. I said I'm scummy, NOT scum. Open your mind up YI. FUNNY THAT YOU JUST IMPLIED I'M TOWN ALIGNED. YellowInk just did that in the above post which I quoted for you all. This is scummy. It is scummy because he knows i'm town-aligned because he has a list of who is mafia got my FoS on you because of this, bro. the entire case on me IS wifom. It's fabricated, probably by scum. These two quotes you quoted before saying this are both applicable. Citi.Zen and I have been bickering all game. I have been calling his play terrible and traitorous much like I have yours. I'm not worried about next game, BRA, i'm worried about this one. You're not going to sway the town against the one person who feels like he is honestly trying to save it. Implied, scummy, honestly You're still a liar, Bill Murray. I don't even know why I try. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 08 2010 12:51 youngminii wrote: Think this goes for basically everyone.Now that SC2 is back up I'll probably be a little less active than I am now  | ||
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YellowInk
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 13:13 YellowInk wrote: Since BM is so good at posting spam that this has been buried under 7 pages of uselessness in the last day, I'm going to leave this here on top. Nothing has changed from this in discussion except I believe Hesmyrr would rather see roleblocks go to BM and a coroner to claim and pop. I disagree with this and still believe the above plan holds to be the best.The town plan in summary: Do not roleclaim Lynch citi.zen Roleblock youngminii Jail youngminii No coroner usage Detectives spy on whomever you think is most likely to be godfather besides citi.zen ** Mad Hatter bomb Bill Murray Ignore Bill Murray's posts Scratch your head at Chezinu Smile if you're town, this game is probably about to end in victory ** This is because we want to plan for our worst case scenario - the 10% I alluded to earlier. If youngminii is playing us and he is in cahoots with citi.zen, we're still on godfather hunt. If citi.zen is really the godfather, we practically can't lose.+ Show Spoiler [Why we can't lose] + youngminii will get to keep getting to DT people and the mafia won't be able to target their hits effectively. After 2-3 nights following, if he hasn't found any scum, youngminii will give us a list of confirmed townies that he'll reveal which will ensure our victory even if he gets killed. We'll be able to mop up with a double lynch endgame. All of this is even assuming we have no other roles in the game besides 1 jailer and youngminii as our DT. I'm sure we have much more than this. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 09 2010 11:14 BrownBear wrote: Mostly because there hasn't been much to talk about. I haven't pushed the inactivity issues today because it's pretty clear where we need to go from here. Our only significant danger is if citi.zen ends up not being godfather and/or tonight has no KP drawing suspicion to the blocked youngminii. This being said, people who have used these last 48 hours to say nothing will be getting a good, hard, scrutinizing look tomorrow should this be the case. Then maybe we'll hang Bill Murray anyway, but probably not short of a DT check on him.This day cycle has been very frustrating for me watching this thread steadily decline. Please stop, guys. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 07 2010 13:13 YellowInk wrote: The town plan in summary: Do not roleclaim Lynch citi.zen Roleblock youngminii Jail youngminii No coroner usage Detectives spy on whomever you think is most likely to be godfather besides citi.zen ** Mad Hatter bomb Bill Murray Ignore Bill Murray's posts Scratch your head at Chezinu Smile if you're town, this game is probably about to end in victory ** This is because we want to plan for our worst case scenario - the 10% I alluded to earlier. If youngminii is playing us and he is in cahoots with citi.zen, we're still on godfather hunt. If citi.zen is really the godfather, we practically can't lose.+ Show Spoiler [Why we can't lose] + youngminii will get to keep getting to DT people and the mafia won't be able to target their hits effectively. After 2-3 nights following, if he hasn't found any scum, youngminii will give us a list of confirmed townies that he'll reveal which will ensure our victory even if he gets killed. We'll be able to mop up with a double lynch endgame. All of this is even assuming we have no other roles in the game besides 1 jailer and youngminii as our DT. I'm sure we have much more than this. On July 09 2010 22:19 rastaban wrote: If we come back with no KP, I'm going to be laying suspicion on youngminii and will not be convinced that the godfather is dead. If you roleblock someone besides youngminii and KP gets blocked, this will make my head hurt and slow us down a lot. All jail youngminii because I am reasonably convinced that he is the DT.Just want to say, nothing has changed since this plan, and it seems like the best. The one modification being talked about is if we should RB youngmini. I think both methods are about even. I am 99% sure he is town, so leaving it off him so we can get an extra check in while RBing someone else makes sense. Other than that caveat, only the second item on the list is currently passed. I would recomend all blues follow this revised plan. We need to be in agreement about this. If the mafia chooses not to use their KP because of this plan, well, that's cool. I don't think they will, though. We'll still be getting plenty of advantage from our other DT(s). They'll probably take out zeks, Abenson, or Divinek - a fine cost to pay for confirmation of a dead godfather. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 10 2010 04:06 rastaban wrote: I'm confident we have another RB. Without an active town RB in the midgame it's nearly impossible for town to win in this setup. Having only one RB just doesn't make sense.So any plans on what we should shoot for tomorrow? If there is no kill then suspicion falls on youngminii If there is a kill then most likely we need to keep youngminii jailed and start systematically DTing /RBing suspected mafia. Now our RB died, and it is such a powerful role I highly doubt we had 2, but maybe the dream catcher caught it. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
We could still be in any of the 3 cases: 90%) youngminii is a DT and we hung citi.zen the godfather, leaving us up against up to 2 goons 9%) youngminii is a goon and we hung citi.zen the goon, leaving us up against GF, youngminii-goon, and up to one more goon 1%) youngminii is the godfather and we hung citi.zen the goon, leaving us up against youngminii-GF and up to 2 goons It is safe to assume youngminii was jailed. Since he was not roleblocked, scenario 2 can't be eliminated. However, if this is the case, we have one other way to discover it - with a (3rd!) coroner. As I had indicated yesterday, I somewhat agreed with the idea that was presented that having a coroner confirmation would be good, I just didn't want to pop what was likely the last coroner if a roleblock could discern for us the same information. So at this time I am requesting that the coroner roleclaim. This will confirm you as town tomorrow after your ability pops and also provide us with more information to plan how we want to tackle this day. Should we have no coroner, I believe our best plan is from here on out to fully assume youngminii is precisely who he says he is. The only other option would be to hang him, but this would put us in a situation where if we are in case 1, we are throwing away a huge swath of games won. I don't like this option. So coroner, if you exist, please step up. Note that in case 1, BM is town. In cases 2 and 3, BM's alignment is indeterminate. So I'm definitely not looking to hang him right now, but that doesn't mean you should listen to him. ::headdesk:: As a side note, since L's plan on day 1 was significantly pro-mafia, I think it's reasonable to assume L was the night 0 recruit. Take this for what you will in your own considerations. More analysis to come in probably 10-12 hours or after a role claim, whichever comes first. This will be my thoughts for lynching among the populace short of someone coming forward with significant information. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 10 2010 18:37 Bill Murray wrote: reading comprehension ftlshut up, yellowink i am playing perfectly. you are getting my vote for this previous, scummy post also, your scenario 1 is wrong jailkeeper + roleblocker = chance of their being only 1 goon. get your facts straight. I don't really care anymore, BM. Chances are I'm going to have to play the remainder of this game assuming you are town. I just wish you'd play on our team. | ||
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YellowInk
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YellowInk
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On July 11 2010 00:52 youngminii wrote: Please state your suspicions rather than voting without reason. How am I to defend myself against such an accusation?Well we have to decide on someone to lynch soon. Since we don't have anyone better to lynch as of now, I'll put my vote on YI (I have suspicions on him) but I'd much rather check him at night. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
BrownBear may defend that he has been camp counselor working long days, but this didn't prevent him from providing great input in the early game, nor has it kept him from posting in significant quantity in the more recent areas of the game. I would suggest rastaban and Chezinu as ideal detective targets for tonight. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 11 2010 06:27 BrownBear wrote: You are not the first person to call me scum, but you continue in the fine tradition of several (likely town) players in this game of not providing cause. How am I to present a satisfactory defense if you do not provide points for me to counter as I did for you?YellowInk - I am not the n2 recruit. I think you are A recruit - not sure which night, but it's irrelevant. I have voted for you pending you proving to me that you aren't, or someone else proving that a third party IS scum. If there's any confusion as to whether or not I'm scum, then just have youngminii rolecheck me tonight. I promise you you won't find anything. I believe zeks to be likely town, but he ninjavoted me. I must believe BM to be town due to the circumstances of the game despite what his posts scream at me, but he also fails to provide reasons. These two have excuses for me to let them off the hook for not providing evidence since it is fair for me to assume they are not scum. You are not in the same boat. Provide content, provide reasons, provide evidence, make a good case against me. Then I will counter and perhaps be convinced you are not scum. | ||
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YellowInk
United States578 Posts
On July 11 2010 07:30 Bill Murray wrote: I understand this line of thinking. Often you can use this sort of gut feeling to point yourself in the right direction. Unfortunately, if you are a town player and fingering another town player and using this kind of 'logic', scum can agree with you (similarly providing no reason), and the town on defense has no way to provide defense to the argument. This makes the town ripe for bandwagoning. Therefore, I demand evidence. If no reasoning is provided, you just make it too easy for scum to take advantage of your gut.[b]@ Yellowink: [/b He doesn't have to do that at all. Just the feel of your posts this game feel like you believe that the town needs evidence to lynch someone who isn't providing any. We don't. Your world of policy is not constructive towards town play, and gets people lynched for the wrong reasons. That's why people hate the way that I play, because I encourage craziness which, believe it or not, if tolerated, is pro-town. When you get into policy-lynching over "VI" players (village idiots) like myself, abenson... johnnyspazz? i don't know who else. It's different person to person because everyone has different opinions, it really stifles the ability to properly get scum to flail and squirm because you are focusing more on "bad posters" and why someone is doing what they're doing, when to properly be town, and for this website to be better at being town, people need to focus on WHAT they're doing. I am not 100% you are scum, my gut tells me you are, which is good enough for me. I am hesitant to really lynch anyone at this point, as everyone is so likely town, though. I would not mind lynching someone who is more inactive and trying to hide, though. DCLXVI would be a good target in that regard Consider that my gut is screaming that you are mafia. youngminii to some degree as well. Unfortunately, if you two are mafia, we've already lost the game. I therefore play as though you are town despite my instinct. Obviously this argument does not apply to me - I am not a 'confirmed' townie, so I am a reasonable target for a lynch. For my generic defense as a town player, I would point to my posting record and all that I have contributed to the understanding of this game as well as formulate and disparage strategy where appropriate. I initiated the game pointing out that everyone should contribute. From this base of knowledge there is now a great deal of information now to be gleaned. Further, I would say that among all the players in this game, I have been one of the leading contributers with respect to assisting the town in finding what direction to take - what is good vs what is not as good. Many examples of my behavior can be found throughout this thread that significantly benefit the town. To go on about those who are 'confirmed' town, zeks also gets a pass in this respect since the real masons would have come out to finger zeks today at the very latest, so you can now consider him confirmed town. Since Ace roleblocked DCLXVI on night 2, you can also know that DCLXVI is town since if DCLXVI was even the night 2 recruit, the mafia KP would have been blocked since recruitment occurs before mafia KP. Beyond this is merely conjecture, but considering we have 4 confirmed townies, I think it is reasonable for zeks' mason companion to reveal. I would be more comfortable with this and zeks confirming while alive with his own voice than after death as I suspect that zeks did not provide a very secure cryptogram. For now my vote remains on BrownBear for the reasons I stated earlier. It is believable that his counseling started at the time which I notice the significant difference, but it doesn't explain why he is able to still post a similar amount of quantity while the quality sharply drops. If anyone has questions about my actions and cares to frame them in a manner better than their 'gut', I would be glad to respond. | ||
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YellowInk
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YellowInk
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So play. Talk. Vote. Use your townie power. | ||
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