EPTI havn't been able to find anything that indicates someone was turned. Yet. So in the absence of something directly indicating red, my vote is going for Abenson.
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YellowInk
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I havn't been able to find anything that indicates someone was turned. Yet. So in the absence of something directly indicating red, my vote is going for Abenson. | ||
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YellowInk
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This is what you should be doing if you have a role. Since with Ace and BC entering the game there has been some renewed discussion, let me add some clarification to the idea of the 'modified Korynne plan'. The strength of Korynne's plan was that you could know who was being roleblocked without having to out the roleblocker. If you select 3 people and make the roleblockers block among them, you're getting the worst of both worlds. You're encouraging overlap between multiple roleblockers, and you're not getting the information of who was blocked. Roleblockers should stick to complete non-disclosure as indicated in the linked post above. To those who counter my hanging Abenson - I am not interested in hanging him because I think he's a likely recruit. I don't even care about hanging recruits right now! The godfather needs to be targeted first and foremost. The godfather needs to find a way to blend in. If Abenson is getting defended, then clearly his strategy is effective. Tomorrow will be the same - we're going to find someone who hasn't been contributing and hang them. Now back to our fine Bill Murray. He would be an excellent target for role blocking and mad hatter bomb laying. This is how we deal with people who are fresh recruits - not lynch! Lynches should be targeted at those whom you think are going to hit a godfather candidate and nowhere else until we get confirmation or choose to assume that the godfather is dead. Also note that just because Bill Murray is an excellent roleblock target doesn't mean that as a roleblocker you should definitely block him. With the state of the game, if I were a roleblocker, I'd probably put 30-60% on blocking him, 40-70% on blocking someone else of my choice. You always want to have some uncertainty in your decisions so that you can maximize your effectiveness since it is, of course, uncertain whether Bill Murray is red and whether there are other blockers besides yourself. Overlapping blocks on a town aligned or traitor BM is a significant loss for the town. I believe Abenson is still an excellent godfather candidate. Furthermore, if he is town aligned, we get the extra bonus of hanging someone who we won't be able to read should he be recruited in the future. I agree that Abenson would be an unlikely recruit for night 1 or 2, but night 4 or 5 if we're at each other's throats and he's still alive for some reason, he could be an excellent recruit. Regardless of if you agree with me about Abenson, you should choose your lynch based on who you think is likely to be godfather. While the choice of godfather was random, the players each choose their own play style to match their role. | ||
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YellowInk
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DCLXVI did you read my post just before yours? It's unlikely that BM is godfather playing like this - much more likely he's an aggressive goon. If you really think BM is godfather, I'd like to hear your argument. | ||
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YellowInk
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Jailkeepers - remember you have the option to cover one of the lovers or to just keep covering who you have been. I'd hate to see zeks take a hit because we were attempting to cover lovers. Honestly unless the other lover is blue as well, it's probably better to stay confident and keep jailing whomever you have already been jailing. It'd be awesome if you were already jailing the lover the mafia decided to hit, though, huh? Blockers & DTs - Do what you do. Block who you think is red. DT who you think could be GF. Coroners - do nothing. Divinek is popping tonight. Divinek - Pop your coroner. And next game you get something like this, give more than two hours! I check this thread like 4x a day and it's still really easy to miss that kind of thing. Radfield and I had a discussion in another game about when is it too late to use votes as pressure and I was uncomfortable within the last 12 hours, Radfield was comfortable at about 4-6 hours as I recall. This is a good example of why it was a problem to wait to the last couple hours. I get that you didn't want to reveal until you had to, but you probably could have been pushing for at least some town solidarity one way or another since I had put Abenson under the microscope. If town was aligning on Abenson you could've then come out with your claim with plenty of time to spare. | ||
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YellowInk
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If L is scum, this just generates confusion. I think it's decently likely that L was the night 1 recruit. He had a plan that debilitated the town somewhat and a lot of people bought it. This doesn't clear zeks either, zeks could still be the traitor if L is scum. I would say to the town essentially the same thing A5J had to say: Ignore L. Divinek is popping a coroner to provide evidence of his truthfulness. They may not get hit tonight, but since they're out in the open now they'll be ripe for mafia KP at any given time - nigh impossible to efficiently protect. Jailkeepers just use your best judgment. Blockers, don't hassle them. If coroner fails to pop we can block them the rest of the game. | ||
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YellowInk
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Lategame mass roleclaim can be good because it gets all the information on the table for us to compile. If the scum try to fake claim, they have to provide information. If this ever conflicts with any other information, people get hung. It also creates a situation where the mafia have too many targets to deal with in a short amount of time. Mass roleclaim this early gives us very little information (remember that DTs couldn't investigate night 1 - I wish people would read the rules and stop posting as if they have an investigation under their belts. Night 2 is way too late for BrownBear to be making an error like this. I see no way for mass roleclaim to even be worth considering until at least day 5 in this setup. Considering it was Bill Murray that initiated the push for mass roleclaim, I could conceive of a scenario where BrownBear could be godfather, but I think it's pretty unlikely. I might give BrownBear a solid 10-15% chance to investigate though. May be a decent role block target, but not as good as Bill Murray, so I might block BB 15-30%. | ||
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On July 06 2010 15:48 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: do not role block abenson. we'll have a much better idea about abenson soon enough. I'd say roleblock BM or citi.zen. On July 06 2010 15:56 Bill Murray wrote: BM is asking to be roleblocked with his bad advice.do not roleblock me i am a fucking townie On July 06 2010 16:06 youngminii wrote: Youngminii is also a reasonable choice for block - this is not the first time he's come under suspicion.Also I agree, roleblock abenson. Worst case scenario: Abenson is blue and gets roleblocked. This means Divinek lied hence we must lynch him. Middle case scenario: Abension is townie and nothing happens. Best case scenario: Abenson is scum and we can just keep roleblocking him every night. Mass roleclaim is still bad! If you really want to do a mass roleclaim, you should not do so until double lynch day 4. At least then we'll have 2 days of DT info instead of 1. To be honest, I'm still not in favor of mass claim because we're not generating enough info, so I'm not sure that I'll be voting for the double lynch. Day 3 massclaim is just insanely bad. Why are so many townies so swayed by having a specific plan - ANY plan - even if it's terrible? Swayed by L, now swayed by Chezinu. Judge the plan on its own merits as compared to everyone acting on their own information. Mass claim is a huge loss for town on day 3. It's not going to confirm anyone and we're going to have to get incredibly lucky to catch anyone in a lie since DTs will only have one check under their belts. | ||
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To try to get town on track, is there anything we need to discuss tonight? I don't think there is unless there are still people on the roleclaim plan. Then I must dispel your notions. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:08 youngminii wrote: Oh snap indeed. I'll buy it unless anyone has any reason to counter it.I am DT. citi.zen is GF. OH SNAP. For emphasis, mass roleclaim is still bad. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 11:12 youngminii wrote: Now I'm suspicious. If you really are DT and you really found the godfather, you know mass roleclaiming is bad. The godfather will shortly be dead. We have this in the bag without the stupid roleclaiming. What is up with this?Everyone from this point forward is to claim their roles. Also, you are to vote for citi.zen unless you have something against what I said. If you do, express your concerns asap. Also, roleblockers please point out who you roleblocked each night. | ||
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On July 07 2010 11:20 youngminii wrote: Not true at all. If you're mafia - and I am definitely suspicious of this - roleclaiming is a huge mafia victory. Not only are we going to miss the GF and hang a skilled pro town player, but we're going to have all our roles on the table for the mafia to attack.But we can just finish this game in perhaps two days. You're just extending this game. If the mafia would like to concede the game to save us the trouble once we lynch citi.zen, that is up to them. If you are pro town, the mafia will know it, and so they will know we have lynched the godfather. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 11:25 youngminii wrote: Thank you. This is so refreshing. My stance remains lynch citi.zen, block youngminii, do not role claim. I am willing to discuss these points, but I think they're fairly self evident in their value.Okay, I guess I wasn't looking at it from the perspective that people can't trust I'm DT 100%. I understand that if I'm scum, doing this is virtually sealing the townie's defeat. I'll go along with whatever plan is decided upon by the majority. On July 07 2010 11:40 Divinek wrote: Because Chez is either scum or just not reading the same thread we are. Obviously!why am i still on your hit list if im confirmed townie, make me very sad To be serious, I havn't made any decisions about Chez yet. I lean slightly towards town, though. Unfortunately this can change any day, so yeah. | ||
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YellowInk
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On July 07 2010 11:44 youngminii wrote: Ouch, citi.zen.Confirmed. DT can only check from Night 2 onwards. No reason to doubt me now. Yeah, I'm pretty convinced. Still the outside chance of this being a 2x goon play to try to convince us that the godfather is dead, but highly unlikely. Stick to our guns. My stance remains. The only thing I'd add is that the jailkeeper should jail youngminii tonight since I find this really convincing. Remember roleblocks still go through on a target that is jailed, so there's no trouble here. | ||
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On July 07 2010 12:17 Bill Murray wrote: omgwtfbbq lol BM even you're not this illogical. I guess BM really is scum. Just give up. No role claims.being as it's lylo, we are NOT rushing into a dumb decision if you are a detective, claim | ||
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