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While last minute vote switching may be sketchy in general, I believe kor is justified in this move. She was following through and protecting the towns plan. The vote didnt change anything, but prevented a fatal switch.
It doesnt really matter, as nothing happened so nothing changed. Lets just move on and pray we get lucky in the night. 50% chance of even having a medic and a 12.5% to protect the person hit... and a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT.
I think that wold be about 5% to block a hit, but hopefully scum and a medic have the same train of thought
Please stop assuming I know anything also, its just very likely there is a blue in the game. Im not a scum roleblocker publicly announcing that I know what setup it is -_-
Alright so we probably wont get any luck,.. guess we'll have to see...
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Bum you seem very paranoid at the idea of people assuming you are roleblocker, but I guess reasonably so since this has been pointed out to you once already.
I'm still unhappy with the wording of your post, in that you said a potential roleblocking of the medic instead of the DT. It makes it sound like you're looking at it from mafia's perspective rather than town's perspective. (Okay, so we have a roleblocker, so there's 50% chance there's a medic, then they have a 12.5% chance of protecting the person we're hitting... and then hopefully we can block the medic or DT or something...)
Rather than from town's point of view: There's 50% chance we have a medic, 50% chance we have a DT, 12.5% chance to protect someone, 25% chance DT catches mafia, and really the setup with both DT/medic is just better for us compared to dt/medic because it's not likely that the mafia will find both.
It feels like you are only thinking of nothing vs. dt+medic rather than nothing, dt, medic, dt+medic.
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On June 24 2010 20:35 Korynne wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2010 12:07 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 11:45 Korynne wrote:
Like honestly, if I was mafia:
1) BM/Chez innocent, team 9 innocent: switching last minute makes no sense whoever dies means the same. If BM/Chez live it's probably better because everyone hates them whereas team 9 looks like they're making a comeback.
2)BM/Chez innocent, team 9 mafia: If I knew team 9 was my mafia buddies then Radfield pushing so hard to get them lynched would've been a really bad idea when so many other people supported lynching Chez/BM or bumcannon. Me voting for them before leaving for dinner not knowing when I'd come back would also be rather ballsy.
DCLXVI, I don't like how you're pushing to lynch us rather than you. So far we have not been under suspicion, and you guys have, not to mention Radfield basically pushed for your lynch all along. I also don't like how you're hinting at the fact that if we get lynched and we turn out green someone that implies that you guys are more green. Well I don't understand why you would prevent a vote switch as a townie or a mafia unless you want to put more suspicion on us (as well as yourself). As I pointed out someone vote switching would only help the town in the long run, and you tried to prevent that? I think I implied that it is likely that we are the same alignment from a town perspective, please point out where I am wrong with that logic. Since I know that I am town and Radfield did nearly kill us, that makes me think that you are mafia and you wanted the town to think that we are the same alignment. Therefore if the town lynches us next and we show up green, then you could look very pro-town. That is why I want you lynched first, since you did the actions that make both of us look scummy. I completely disagree. But I'll let other members like Ace or L chime in on the scumdar factor of that switch. How does vote switching help town in the long run? If you guys are green, town freaks out and goes OMG THE VOTE SWITCHER IS MAFIA and we bicker about that for a day and real mafia can just hide out while we lynch at least one of the switcher and BM/Chez. Right, town thinks we're the same alignment, because Radfield was the one who pushed for your lynch even though Ace is like omg BM/Chez so mafia! We're sooo associated, because if I hadn't switched, oh, BM/Chez would've died anyway. And to top it off, let's just point out to the world just how connected we are by yelling at each other. All I can see here from you is that you found one little thing to poke at and you're going to push it and make it a big deal. No one else has expressed that they think we are associated, nor do I think if you turned up red/green it should reflect on us. If it was any other group I would've done the same. See before now I was voting for you guys mainly because Radfield figures you're scum, and without a strong read on anyone else I was okay with going with his idea (we agreed to vote together). Now I'm thinking you're very scummy. You're trying to get us lynched and clear yourselves. If you are town, how do you know we're not going to turn up red? If you think we look so scummy and you think we're going to turn up red then it reflects poorly on you since you decided to tie us into a bundle. So the only way this idea makes any sense is for you to be mafia. Oh also, what really kicks you in the bum is that you seem to say 1. we're connected 2. it makes us look scummy together. Never once have you said you, team 1, korynne and radfield, looks scummy period. Because you don't think we're scummy, you think that lynching us will clear your scummy name. I've been accusing you of being scum, you've just been trying to lynch us while tying us together. Sorry DCLXVI, but I don't really see how you can talk yourself out of this one.
Sorry, but this entire post is bullshit given that you know that Chez had the opportunity to save himself. This wasn't supposed to stop a 'random vote switcher' from creating chaos. This was to stop Chez from doing the obvious thing and keeping himself alive.
I'm pretty fucking sure Chez voting group 9 wouldn't have raised crazy alarm bells. It wouldn't have created chaos. Chez has a perfect fucking town answer to voting group 9 on day 1 even if they'd have flipped green: He didn't want to fucking die.
Your vote switch, however, did raise alarm bells. Despite having been on the other vote train the entire time, neither you or your partner really bothered to make a decent push against T9 in the thread.
Saying that T9 flipping mafia wouldn't implicate you is off the wall insane.
P.S. Caller you're hilarious :3
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Its still the same percentage of chance, and whats wrong with speclating from the mafia PoV?
I wasnt disregarding anything, and it's all hypothetical. I didnt refer to every scenario because they are all covered by 2 in 4 shots for medic in the game and the 12.5 for protection. I didnt mean potential only as in who they roleblock necessarily, but rather potential for setup RB and DT/medic.
and theirs a 50% shot from both townie and RB mafia view points. And Id rather scum hit someone unpredictable, as they wold not be hitting their preferable target.
Damn straight im paranoid because the second I tried to discuss any blue plans (75% for at lest one blue and 25% for two in an 9 player is good odds in my book) People asked me why I was "assuming" we had any blues. I dont believe I've ever condoned a certainty of any setup, and the disregarding of another.
Maybe I should spell out the steps I take in my head to reach the conclusions I did?
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L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence.
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L are you like, blind or can you not read? Radfield was the one pushing for T9's death in this thread. Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield.
Me and Radfield were the 2nd and 3rd to vote for T9, and that's probably only because we don't like to vote early. Darth was the first to vote for T9 but he's a vote switcher. So you're telling me if T9 was mafia and we were mafia it would be a really good idea to start a bandwagon on them? I went out for dinner and I mentioned that, and it would also totally be a good idea to vote for my mafia teammates and then just leave for a while and hope for the best...
My actions didn't change anything from happening, nor could I have changed anything from happening. Chez didn't come back and vote for T9. I was f5ing the voting thread for the 2 minutes after I voted until it was time's up.
So let's see, I'm around and clearly active from :55 to :05 and I just decide to switch over to BM/Chez even though they were going to get lynched anyway, when I could just f5 the thread to make sure Chez didn't vote switch at the last minute.
My actions didn't change anything, other than the fact that now T9 is flipping at me trying to tie us both together and not directly accusing us of being scummy (in fact, if we turn out scum they pretty much just hung themselves). They're saying, well... I can see how you guys would tie us to T1 (even though no one else mentioned it, johnnyspazz said MY actions looked shifty, not that T1 and T9 are related) so like, you guys should lynch them to make sure we're clean. Rather than like, well we're townies so even though this might look suspicious we think that T1 is probably not mafia because if they were it wouldn't make a difference if we died or BM/Chez died. Essentially, they are saying:
1. If one of us turns out mafia, then the other is mafia.
2. If one of us turns out town, the other is town.
So they should know that they are town...therefore they should not be supporting lynching T1. There's zero mention of I don't think T1 is mafia but I understand if you guys want to lynch one of us to figure it out. They're very much clearly pushing to lynch us, which can only mean that they are mafia and know that we're town and so want us to die to prove their innocence.
Also FoS on L for not addressing any of the logical points in my post and just calling bullshit on something that didn't change the outcome of anything.
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In return for your valiant death BM, I would like to point out a funny, ignore this post game-wise
+ Show Spoiler +It would seem I didnt have the balls and Korynne did
End irony.
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Either I didn't word my posts correctly or you just misunderstood, but I don't believe that we are the same alignment. I said that you saving T9 makes it look like we are both scum. If you are townie then you just made a pointless switch. The town would want to see a vote switch because yes, it would heavily implicate a team. No townie team in their right mind would do that. Your team pushed to get T9 killed by started up the bandwagon. You also stated that you would like to see BM/Chez around for another day. Then you decide to prevent chez from saving his team while saving mine in the process. How is this beneficial for the town at all?
You just created chaos in the town by doing a pointless vote switch - why? Why would a town team try to create chaos for no change in the outcome?
Lynching you would not prove that t9 is green, I just think that you are red. You stir up commotion for no apparent reason while casting suspicion on my team.
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I don't see what the big deal is. She explicitly stated she was going to vote for Chez/BM so they couldn't save themselves - obviously at that point she made up her mind.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. If you subscribe to the idea that they must be scum because of the vote switch then you should ask yourself why didn't they vote for the other teams that were also in hot water. I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. I said it like 4 times but the only person even close to their scum level is L.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. If he did then he should have voted/persuaded others ages before the deadline. I don't know what he was waiting for but it's just as ridiculous to blame someone for another person's death while said person has the chance to save themselves.
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On June 25 2010 02:04 bumatlarge wrote:
L, i thought you said yo prefered T2 dead? Maybe I mistakenly assumed it. if chez switched before the last minute, I think I would have done the same as Korynne based on what I thought. I really dont care whether that statement condemns me or not, I felt was for the good of the town. But maybe you can shed light ona deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9/ killing team 2. If both T1 and T9 are red, that would really make an easy job for thetown to dig them out.
What would you rather T9 dead then T2, assuming no prior knowledge of T2's innoncence.
No.
The 3 teams I had my eye on were teams 3, 8 and 9.
A deeper motive for korynne protecting team 9 as mafia? They're allies and she wanted out. From the town's perspective? Well, derp derp, Korynne was trying to kill them until the very end. Why bother switching if she originally wanted 9 gone? Because someone would 'out' themselves as mafia by vote switching? Well, she specifically mentions that she acted to prevent chez from acting, which means her entire system of logic is built on excuses.
Look at the vote history. There was a huge swing away from team 7 onto 9. 2 only got put into the lead because a far stronger wagon derailed and there wasn't enough time to switch onto 9. That isn't a town 'plan' like korynne's trying to defend.
The move makes literally 0 sense from a town perspective if she thought 9 was a fantastic target.
What's most likely is the following; Korynne is mafia and knows that neither of the teams are mafia. In splitting her/radfields focus she allows herself to distance from the push against an innnocent team, and she can put her almost abstain status vote in a sort of quasi-explained limbo.
What's more? The method of argumentation she uses pre-supposes that 9 is innocent. Well why the fuck did you+radfield push them if you thought they were green?
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Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No.
Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant.
Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.
I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it.
Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting.
Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs.
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On June 25 2010 03:30 DCLXVI wrote:
Either I didn't word my posts correctly or you just misunderstood, but I don't believe that we are the same alignment. I said that you saving T9 makes it look like we are both scum. If you are townie then you just made a pointless switch. The town would want to see a vote switch because yes, it would heavily implicate a team. No townie team in their right mind would do that. Your team pushed to get T9 killed by started up the bandwagon. You also stated that you would like to see BM/Chez around for another day. Then you decide to prevent chez from saving his team while saving mine in the process. How is this beneficial for the town at all?
You just created chaos in the town by doing a pointless vote switch - why? Why would a town team try to create chaos for no change in the outcome?
Lynching you would not prove that t9 is green, I just think that you are red. You stir up commotion for no apparent reason while casting suspicion on my team.
Before now you've never really called me scummy. You were just like oh my god we look like we're so associated. Let's lynch you to make sure we're clear. Like honestly, anyone who cannot see the totally different thing you're saying now compared to after I changed my vote is either blind or can't read.
So now you've switched your idea and are now saying oh hey you guys are so scummy we're innocent?
If you guys are innocent and we're mafia why would we switch votes to oh look, another group of innocent townies. Seems rather silly, especially if they're going to get lynched anyway.
So far Ace seems okay with what I did, and so does bumatlarge. So that means at least one of the three groups of us is not mafia. Johnnyspazz made a very non-committed statement by saying what I said was fishy and then going well I'm probably just overthinking. You and L are really pushing it, so from what I can see, either johnnyspazz is mafia and is trying to get the ball rolling for someone else to hammer us and he gets out free, or you and L are mafia and are picking at this one little thing to lynch me for.
The whole purpose of my vote switch is to make people talk. I feel like DCLXVI is really like omg I found something let's push it and get team 1 killed. Radfield thought you guys were suspicious and voted for you but there wasn't really a lot there. Now I feel like I've managed to push you over the edge and I'm getting somewhere with the scum hunting based on your reactions to my post. I want to hear all the teams opinions on my vote switching, but as far as I'm concerned, my vote switch did not change the outcomes of the day's lynch.
If anyone is creating chaos that's DCLXVI and L. If town just reacted like Ace being like meh whatever didn't change a thing then it would just mean that even if I was mafia I failed to create chaos. What I did manage to do as town is to make DCLXVI talk and I personally believe he dug himself into a hole after his change of opinion from omg that makes us both look really scummy so we should lynch you guys because you did the vote switch to oh well i must have phrased what i said poorly then what I meant is that i think you're scummy. If you thought I was scummy you would make a post like johnnyspazz saying you look fishy for what you did rather than oh hey you made us look like we're associated.
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On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Show nested quote +Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No.
Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play.
Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant.
The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading.
Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either.
If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched.
Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs.
I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because?
Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum.
Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works.
Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out?
Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were.
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L if you think I'm doing it to be in "quasi-limbo" then just consider it as I voted, with my partner Radfield, for team 9. I didn't really have an opinion on who to lynch but I agreed with Radfield that we should vote together so since he figured a read on 9 I voted for 9 with him.
I never really said I believed that BM/Chez was town or mafia. This was my conclusion from my analysis:
Conclusion: Well they are really active... so I mean that's a plus. However quality of posting isn't all that great, but it is Day 1. I'm okay with letting them live at least another day to get a better read, since they are pretty guaranteed to speak a lot.
So all I said is I'm okay with them living another day, because they're active so it's easier to get a read on them than say some townies who have posted like nothing. I also noted that the quality of their posts wasn't that great(but that's just a Chez/BM type of thing).
When day starts I will be voting for team 9 unless someone else turns up super scummy because I don't like the inconsistency in DCLXVI's argument.
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Also note that way more people voted for Chez/BM than for T9. I don't know if they just were voting with their team or not (me and Radfield said we'd vote together) but if not then that's a lot more people believing that BM/Chez are scum than believing T9 is scum.
I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now.
Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books.
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On June 25 2010 04:32 Korynne wrote:
Also note that way more people voted for Chez/BM than for T9. I don't know if they just were voting with their team or not (me and Radfield said we'd vote together) but if not then that's a lot more people believing that BM/Chez are scum than believing T9 is scum.
I think really Radfield was the only one thinking T9 was scum (didn't check the thread to confirm) but most people were just like yo let's put some pressure on T9 since T7 started talking now.
Besides, everyone agrees that BM/Chez spam up the thread like no other. We've all been having real analysis and conversation for the last couple pages since they died, that helps out town in my books.
Don't worry that's Ls terrible style of play. If someone that everyone but himself thinks is scummy and playing badly when they flip innocent L will come in turning a blind eye to why the players were lynched and start pointing fingers at everyone. Like I said there's a reason he has a reputation of being a bad player.
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On June 25 2010 04:26 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 03:48 L wrote:Ace even said how could you not see that BM/Chez are more scummy than T9 in response to Radfield. Uh, BM/Chez were never scummy. They spammed a lot but it was pretty obvious they were town. In hindsight do you think that a group would have fake claimed medic as mafia on day 1 under the conditions they did? No. Yes they were. BM spent the entire time of Day 1 pointing multiple fingers at a ton of players. He also elected to talk in code with his partner who was being equally silly. Seriously if those don't scream scum to you it's no wonder why you have a reputation as a terrible player. Then again since you like to accuse multiple people every day I guess you would consider that decent play. Sorry Ace, I actually look at a player's prior play when evaluating them. Chez and BM do that shit all the time as town. I can understand an argument for using the lynch for metagaming purposes, but you're essentially saying "because I've never liked their standard play, they're mafia" which is false. Show nested quote +Secondly the wagon on T9 never really got going. Uh, the 'wagon' on both teams was 15 votes. Chez had another 3 votes he could have used to save himself. How is this even relevant? If the wagon wasn't 100% tied, the change of vote would have been irrelevant. The wagon on T9 was never going to tip. Look at how it formed: We went through 3 teams being on the hot box to toward the end of the Day people voting on T9 because they were quiet - not because they were scum. It was a pressure vote. If you honestly think they were going to be killed then I have no idea what thread you are reading. Oh, It was never going to tip? Then Korynne didn't have to do anything :3. QEDShow nested quote +Also saying Chez had the chance to save himself is ludicrous. Votes were 15/15 with chez on a third party. Ludicrous? rofl. Its not like BM and Chez weren't active in the thread arguing against their scuminess (like you're pretending they weren't), either. If telling everyone "I'm town because I said so" counts as arguing (it doesn't) then sure. They had no shot at convincing anyone they weren't scummy as you clearly see they got lynched. oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.Show nested quote +I think the only reason this is a big deal is because BM/Chez flipped town even though lots of people thought they were scum. That's the problem. No one really thought they were scum. Look at the post lynch discussion "oh i got a bad vibe from them, was wrong lol sorry". No one had a strong conviction about it. Teams 7 8 and 9 voted together against chez bm + you. Then Korynne popped in and prevented 9 from reacting. Teams 7 and 9 were targeted BY team 2 for lynch. That leaves team 8, you and Korynne as the sore thumbs. [ I thought they were scum. "No one really thought they were scum" is a weak premise. If it were true then obviously BM/Chez would still be alive. Do you really think all those people voted them off just because? Then you even say teams 7,8,9,myself and Korynne all had a hand in the lynch. If thats the case then surely some of us really thought they were scum. Also I had to bold the last part to show people how your poor logic works. Team 2 flips innocent. So therefore the people Team 2 "targeted" (which was almost everyone) 7 and 9 somehow get thrown out of the equation and now it's Team 1, myself and 8 sticking out? Do better. Seriously in your conspiracy theories you implicate multiple players without anything to stand on. You pop up after everything goes down to lay the blame on teams while also saying no one really thought they were scum - ignoring how badly BM/Chez played. Like I said you are just as scummy as they were. Do better? Conspiracy theories? We had someone throw a random vote at the end of a huge swing period of voting. How is that not something worth looking at? Being targetted for lynch gives those two teams an emotional reaction for why they would vote the way they did. Team 8, Korynne and you do not have emotional outs. Do I think teams 7,9 are magically innocent? No. Did I say they were? No. But thanks for implying I did!
Oh, and good job on thinking they were scum despite having admitted you had a pre-game grudge against them. Fantastic scumdar there. You're also off when you point the finger at me. If your partner didn't heavily play like he's blue, I'd probably have thought you were mafia. I guess you're just rusty because you haven't played a game in a billion years. Sucks to be bad bro. Step it up.
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Also i'm steppin' out because it is the national holiday which is actually the provincial holiday and there is much beer to be had.
Mafia, feel free to kill me so that it becomes 100% obvious that Ace is terrible.
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1.) I don't care if their standard play when they are town is to play like idiots. If you play badly and play scummy you get lynched - this is not a hard concept to understand.
2.) It wasn't going to tip. If it was going to tip then surely SOMEBODY would have voted to tip them right? You're trying to create a scenario that wasn't there. If you want to speak for Chez saying he could have saved himself then speak for him and explain to us why he didn't. You can't. Thanks.
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oh, because a tied vote comprising less than 3 normal F11 players apiece means that they weren't convinced? The vast majority of players didn't vote for them and a number of people who voted admitted they did it for reasons other than believing T2 was mafia. QED again.
What? This doesn't even make sense. Who are these people that voted for other reasons than believe that T2 were mafia. If you truly believe those people then I'm asking you again what game are you playing. You also forget a vast majority doesn't decide the vote here. So that point is null. Once again you are spouting nonsense to make it seem as if T2 deserved to live despite their scummy play.
4.) Korynne's vote wasn't random - she explained what she was going to do WELL in advance of the deadline. Stop falsifying people's actions. It's not worth looking at because it didn't change anything. T2 had more than enough time - hours - to convince people they weren't scum. They failed. Chez also had a chance to use his vote right? He failed. Don't blame someone else for their death when they had all time in the world to save themselves.
Emotional reaction? where are you pulling this shit from? I never even implied that you said teams 7 and 9 are innocent. I specifically said you threw them out of the equation and pointed at the rest of us. How does that even compute?
I said I had a pre-game grudge against them? Did I use that as the basis for my vote or did I say BM was throwing around terms he saw on mafiascum.net incorrectly to justify his vote, threw around several accusations wily nilly, spammed the thread, switched votes several times in the day and had no clear idea on who he thought was guilty? Or how about when I said BM and Chez were playing badly by talking nonsense. Oh how about when I called him out for his "theory" on the 3rd voter on a wagon being scum and showed how it was wrong?
See once again you are blatantly lying about what's going on in the game. Now you even try to play the "your bad" card that no one will believe. So far I've caught you making shit up, misrepresenting myself and other players' positions on day 1 and trying to stave off T2s bad play as everyone else's fault.
Yup, my scumdar is beeping again.
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