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Bum brought up something to me in a PM that I forgot to mention before. Mafia most likely did not see the modkill on 3 Lions coming, and thus did not foresee the KP reduction that would come with it.
Connect the above with the following scenario:
Day 3: One bodyguard and a vigilante die. Night 3: Onihunter is lynched (after 3 Lions is pretty much guaranteed to be lynched) on Darth's information. Mafia would not have lost KP if 3 Lions had not been modkilled. Day 4: The other bodyguard and YellowInk die. (Again, no way for this to be a coincidence.) Night 4: The person I name as my main suspect is announced as Mafia by Darth in the midst of criticism against him. Meaning the DT had to have checked him prior to the deaths of Pyromasta/YellowInk. Furthermore, why did this person not contact me after seeing I put out my cluework/suspicions? If he had verified Bum as Mafia, why wait until someone asked rather than find someone who was already very likely to vote for him?
It feels, right now, like the death of Onihunter was a ploy to give Darth credit the night before they made their big move on YellowInk. He was the one most likely to come under heavy scrutiny due to the scenario.
Too many things aren't adding up here, regardless of whether or not Darth is Mafia. I am not voting for Bumatlarge at this time.
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Something I forgot to add is that Darth would not have gained credit with the town if 3 Lions were lynched, as town was ready to bandwagon him to the gallows without any DT help.
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I want to say three things.
1. The situation still feels iffy to me, though not because of Darth's involvement. 2. I did initially panic and felt that Darth might definitely be lying, but soon after he posted responding to me I realized how unlikely it was, especially considering the fact that we have two lynches today. 3. The only reason I'm responding so late to say the above is that I wanted to leave the post out to see who might jump on-board with me. (Ask Darth for confirmation if you need it, I informed him.)
So, I guess for the moment my votes will go to Bumatlarge and Hugoboss21, for much the same reasons as crate. Sorry if you turn up Miller/green, Bum, but this gives us more information.
I suggest we wait on the double lynch for just one day. We possibly get more DT information, as well as two days worth of clues for the next lynching, giving us more of a chance of having strong suspects.
As for mass roleclaiming, I wouldn't mind it. If blues start dying every night, we know who holds the roles, so we can hold them accountable. But I can't blame people who disagree with it and don't want to put trust in any of the recommended individuals.
Anyway, I'm out for now. I might check back later (addicted), but I really should go to bed. I got two hours of sleep last night before work, mostly due to this game. XD
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Haha, I got played by the "YI's reasons for checking Bum" stuff that DCLXVI sent me.
Darth, you were the person I was trying hard to connect to Day 3's kill, because of the force power stuff. But the whole "sticking to the face" thing got in the way of completing that for me. Zeks was onto that via PM to me shortly after my panic-attack when you announced the DT thing. crate redirected me more than anything afterwards, and following that the DCLXVI pm I received pretty much got me back to a town-view of you.
You guys did well.
Both yourself and crate particularly did an excellent job pretending to be town-aligned. Though with Onihunter's huge support (and mimicry of your "go for inactives" idea) I was still on reserve. I did get fooled though, no excuses there, especially by crate.
May I ask why Oni/Bum were thrown under? I get that Onihunter was probably because of TGB, but why Bum? Was it only because I was likely to begin the lynch against him anyway, further validating yourself and getting the fake DT in?
O, and I can't believe I'm posting this, but: + Show Spoiler +
My brother dared me to take a screenshot and post it at the end (I talk about the game outside of the forum; again, addicted). Three out of five isn't too bad. :p
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Shoutout to CompX for saving my life on Day 3. <3 (and Veteran role for saving my life on Day 2!)
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That screenshot was from before we even elected anyone, so I wasn't going to be trying to convince anyone of them being Mafia at the time. My perceptions of many of those people changed.
As you noted (and I noted at the beginning of the game), I play a very clue-dominated style. While I did note suspicions towards several people who did turn up Mafia by looking through their posts, I just didn't feel comfortable calling out anybody without clue backing. I am, perhaps, too cautious a townie. :p
That is certainly a fault of mine.
I agree with your town LVP. Seriously, Deucegladlier, just why?
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On June 14 2010 11:14 DarthThienAn wrote: haha except after that you started to support me completely.
Indeed.
I even voted town on your poll there.
Thanks, by the way, for the link to the Mafia thread. Interesting to see what the other side was thinking.
(I'm guessing edits are okay at this stage in the game. :p)
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From the Mafia forum:
3lions
ok I'm back sorry for the inactivity guys looking at the table for post count, and based on the activity, our targets should include
littlechava (he doesn't have that many posts, but I think it's worth it getting rid of him because he's a veteran and pretty experienced with the game) onihunter thegilaboy brownbear
O wow. XD
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