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On June 06 2010 06:26 DCLXVI wrote:need to catch up on this, a LOT was discussed today. I noticed people asked for opinions on every player, and right now that is hard to give. It is easier now that about 5-6 people came out from under their rocks and started posting, but still many people are hard to analyze just because they barely post. I guess I should not have added so much to my profile, so easy to randomly link clues to it now I will catch up and respond later tonight, i'm only on pg27 now
If people don't post then that is your analysis of them. If you look one or two pages back to my analysis of my last-minute voters, the majority of it was "Yeah this guy doesn't post at all, POST MORE PLZ."
At this point, we just need to get rid of the inactivity in the town. Maybe things will change after the night ends, but assuming that none of our blue roles roleclaim with information, all we have to go on are the clues and the information we get from people posting. More posting is good for the town. Take it upon yourself to be more active - if you're too busy with RL to read through everything thoroughly, skim through, or read the most recent posts, try to get a sense of what you missed, and post accordingly.
If you look at LD's excel chart, basically, anyone with less posts than the crate, DCLXVI, MTF, ElyAs group needs to be posting more. And that's just quantity. A lot of players need to step up their quality. crate and MTF both don't post as much as maybe me or YI, but they contribute a lot every time they post, offering solid analysis, with decent length posts.
So you (all of you) need to either have a few long posts like those every day, OR you need to be posting frequently throughout the day.
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On June 06 2010 12:19 YellowInk wrote: Now barth was defenestrated. I was sure I read something about defenestration in someone's profile - does anyone remember off the top of their head?
defenestration? what is that? o.O
Another thing that might be a clue is " ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it." which suggests someone who is a fast runner - not sure we have anyone like that though. The killer also beats ElyAs to the town courthouse in the post.
Of course, the main thing here is stealth - LD, it's true that stealth is usually present in all mafia-death-stories, but in this case, I think it's worth considering, only because of how accented the stealth of the killer is. He was "a masked figure" and "stealthily kept to the shadows" which is pretty explicit. A knife is a normal tool, but combined with the thrown knife from Day 1, I'd consider it significant.
As for barth's death, I'm not sure what to make of it... a weight pushed on him, to make him go OUTSIDE. so the weight come from inside - could've just been a normal person there pushing him, or it could've been a trap of some sort, with swinging weights etc. Seems more subtle than that though.
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On June 06 2010 12:21 LunarDestiny wrote: What we really need is the person who was protected to step out. Please don't tell who protected you even if you know.
For the detectives who role checked and the result is pro town, you have the option to use that person as your spoke person (it is very unlikely you got the godfather)
Gonna emphasize this. You can say "I took a hit last night" - you choose to specify whether or not it was medic protection or veteran life. It might be better to be ambiguous for now, since the mafia don't know that either.
On June 06 2010 12:27 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 12:21 LunarDestiny wrote: What we really need is the person who was protected to step out. Please don't tell who protected you even if you know.
For the detectives who role checked and the result is pro town, you have the option to use that person as your spoke person (it is very unlikely you got the godfather) Careful, it's not the first time you've said that. People might think you're the godfather. Regardless, there is one godfather in this game. We're going to encounter him sooner or later so it's worth always being on guard. Personally, if I were a DT and I found a townie on my first rolecheck, if I weren't confiding in the mayor or pardoner, I probably wouldn't tell anyone. When I found a second townie I'd tell them both I was the DT and leave a broken code between multiple people for if I got knocked off. This makes it harder for the mafia to just immediately kill the DT if one of them were the godfather - or if they do, the godfather gets revealed and lynched.
Basically, anyone who ever roleclaims should always "double" roleclaim if possible, and let both people know who you've claimed to. That way, if you die tomorrow, we have a suspect.
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Rawr. I'm back. Yet still tired. This is done chronologically as I read through posts, so I may repeat myself, repeat other people, etc.
Thoughts on the targets of last night: I thought the mafia would be going for more high-profile people, ie. BB, zeks, MooCow, MTF (well, he did get hit), etc. I'm a little confused by the barth/ElyAs kills as well - bad play on their part.
First of all, based on pages 33 and 34, we all need to chill out a bit. Don't provoke people unnecessarily, or that'll just be even more confusing for the town. The difference between defensive townie and squirming mafia is not the easiest one to tell.
MTF had some nice clue-analyzing - the brain you can't copy obviously, but follow his format in the future. Give us the clue in the post, the connection in the profile, and your thoughts on the matter.
Solid analysis on in that post - I have one comment about MooCow & TyranoS's connections/profiles: If I were hosting, I'd make sure all of my clues didn't point to ONLY one person. With MooCow and TyranoS having the same public profiles essentially, this only makes it easier. I would consider the chances of at least one of the two being mafia as pretty high, if there are several connections to their profile.
Like I said last night - the running killer "beating" ElyAs is definitely a clue to me. Anyone with any mention of being a winner of any sorts is related to this clue.
@DCLXVI: We should hang people not only based on clue, but more based on posting. Clues are secondary and supplementary at this point - they'll be the deciding factor if we have to choose between two suspects.
On June 06 2010 16:34 flamewheel wrote: Bookmark post.
What do you do with these, anyway?
@Zyrre: The DT-ninja-stealth stuff refers more to the first killer.
@LaXer: "Sorry if you saw it that way, I really just want to vote based on clues." Bad! Clue analysis is good, but don't forget the bread and butter of mafia - discussion and scummy posts! I like the blink idea though, that's pretty good.
@Misder: Could you elaborate on AFJ dodging accusations thrown at him? Last I checked your accusations were really crappy and based on his name being BFJ?, and he explained his day 1 inactivity (which isn't to say he's excused for it). And there's not much people can do to defend themselves against clues, unless the accusations are illogical. AFJ + weights. OK, check. I don't think he's been dodging anything though.
@crate: Excellent! I hope I see the post later in my reading. Everyone else, plz follow suit.
@zeks: You make me think of a good point. Everyone, be wary of people who only do clue analysis. To me, that's suspicious. Post analysis >> clue analysis by far, especially at this point. For mafia, analyzing clues is an easy way to "get away" with not contributing. And, so far us losing 3 townies is great! No blue roles gone, and it's as if we didn't even mislynch because of the fail-hit on MTF. We're in a great spot right now, assuming our DTs are doing their jobs.
@YI: He's absolutely right. I've been offline for some 16 hours and I can just walk in and post like this no pressure. As long as you give us your complete thoughts on whatever's going on, we don't care when you post. Quality over quantity.
@crate: beautiful post and great analysis! very original in terms of what you've looked at, nice nice. Again people, you need example? Link to crate's post.
Thoughts on his analysis:
onihunter: if I remember correctly, he was kissing up to me early on. He was following me like a little dog for the entire mayor/pardoner campaign, and posts frequently, but nothing too too insightful as say, you or MTF. All in all, I'd attribute to him being a eager but naive town newbie. Potential mafia, of course, but I'd lean the other way. Obviously, keep an eye on him, but he's not a lynch target today, especially not without more clues linking to him.
AFJ: Based on your review, his posts are very crap - late, and bandwagon thought process/posting. Not helping the town at all, I expect to see him really step it up today, or else be prepared to be considered for a lynch.
@LD: MTF's first post is a joke (like, a real joke I'm not insulting him). A nice list of inactives for us. Followed by analysis of the mayoral candidates +1 (good points) for that. I agreed and still agree with his read on Yellow. Interesting to note that he pointed out the whole stacking thing (though I and I'm sure the other returning players were aware of it) and then he's the one who got hit and survived last night. lol. Still, no one has counterclaimed which means he's not lying unless he's mafia and they stacked.
@Zyrre: Thegilaboy's not overly suspicious in his posting, but he's not overly helpful either. For someone who posts as frequently as he does (based on LD's chart), I expect more content that what he's given. Thegilaboy needs to step up his posting quality. We've discussed how multiple times - just do the 4 person analysis thing. I'm not sure how high on my lynch list he is right now, but he's been on there since early night 1.
@littlechava: Hugoboss21 is also suspicious but more for inactivity than anything. LaXerCannon is suspicious. His hasty voting is either a ploy by the mafia to try to start a bandwagon (which seemed to be working for a couple pages but it looks like people are cooling down), or it's a really bad noob mistake. Zyrre, I haven't really thought about. lol. I'll have to look at him later just because I haven't at all this game.
On June 07 2010 03:56 sputnik.theory wrote: Oh god, I just wrote a wall of text and accidentally closed my post as I was looking back through the thread -_-; fail. 2nd attempt coming up...
I better see it soon... scum! (lol jk. But if you don't post a giant wall of enlightening text, then consider yourself suspicious)
@crate: Any medic who protected MTF should feel safe PMing him and roleclaiming to him. We've discussed this before Day 1, but basically it comes down to, it's very unlikely that MTF is mafia (from the medic-who-protected-him's perspective).
@sputnik: I hope this wasn't your wall of text. I remain unimpressed (by its length). The original content, however, I approve of. Still, it also sounds like something I would expect from a mafia teammate trying to lay the blame on other people. Not saying you're mafia, but it's a potential mafia move. You stay on my list. Post s'more though =].
@littlechava: It's a pretty ballsy move by the mafia to fake medic - if the real medic comes along and does the same thing then... ruh-roh for the mafia. It's not hard to rolecheck one person and lynch the appropriate one. And MTF could be veteran as well in case a fake claim is an insta-death wish. So, imo, MTF can tell between the legit and not legit RCs.
If no medic RCs because MTF is vet, well then that makes sense, now don't it... -__-.
@YI: I'm not sure how good the posts by LaXer and Misder have been. LaXer has focused almost exclusively on clue-hunting, and Misder has given us some bull analysis and a belated explanation for his day 1 vote. Minus the blink idea, it hasn't been a lot. I personally expect a lot more from these two. CompX and Deuce have disappeared as far as I can tell, TyranoS and supernovamaniac are allegedly at the Penn State ARML competition (which I used to go to so I have some sympathy for them) BUT I remember getting back early Sunday morning, so I expect them to be posting later tonight, at the latest.
I'll keep these three in mind for later if and when I start analyzing ppl.
@MTF: I'm not sure if sputnik.theory's theory (LOL) is saying that the mafia stacked kills on ElyAs. It's more that, the killer was actually two very similar people. I mean, technically, Mafia KP is split into two anyway, so it makes sense that each KP is "used" by two members.
I agree that it's a ridiculous scheme at this point. But I'm not going to forget about it quite yet ^^.
@Deuce: uh, wtf? We should lynch you here and now for that post. Post real stuff plz.
@Thegilaboy: easy anti-modkill vote. That or he's retarded. Based on his previous post, I'm not crossing that option out quite yet.
@YI: yeah, no idea about Deuce. Like, "what the deuce?" (Stewie). Among those three, I say we give TyranoS some time to redeem himself, and between CompX and Deuce... I'd have to look but based on what I just read, I want to lynch Deuce for being stupid.
@Qatol: HAPPY BIRTHDAY QATOL. YOU'RE CUTE :3.
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@pyromasta: Once again, clues are great and all, but they shouldn't decide who we lynch today. Similar to yesterday, a combination of inactivity and clues will most likely decide who gets lynched. But more inactivity.
Unless you (everyone in general) have something new to contribute about the clues, please focus more of players' posting behavior, inactivity, etc.
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On June 07 2010 06:58 pyr0ma5ta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2010 06:49 DarthThienAn wrote: @pyromasta: Once again, clues are great and all, but they shouldn't decide who we lynch today. Similar to yesterday, a combination of inactivity and clues will most likely decide who gets lynched. But more inactivity.
Unless you (everyone in general) have something new to contribute about the clues, please focus more of players' posting behavior, inactivity, etc. Hm, well I thought I contributed by pointing out GilaBoy's obvious fail with the "Tiny the Stone Giant" thing, something which nobody had pointed out yet (though I fail to believe I'm the only one in this game who's played Dota). Is this not considered contributing? Oh, and I'm not sure I agree that inactivity is an indication of Mafianess. We've already lynched an inactive non-Mafia. If we just lynch based on activity, the obvious Mafia counter-play is to just post a lot of blah blah blah.
Oh. I already knew that in my head (Dota reference), which is why I disregarded it. mb. =p.
Inactivity =/= mafia. But we need to get rid of it.
Posting a lot of blah blah blah will get them caught = ezpz for us to win, yeah?
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On June 07 2010 09:39 crate wrote: @LunarDestiny (and the rest of you), re: Deucegladlier:
Not only is his posting in this thread poor ... it's 100% worthless. The only reason he's posting is to avoid being modkilled.
The only way he could be contributing to the town right now is if he's in PM contact with anyone here or if he's a medic or DT who's doing something. If he's been PM'ing with you, I'd like to know about it.
Any way you stack it his play has been completely unhelpful and he cannot benefit the town even as just another vote if he doesn't even read enough to vote for someone other than himself. It's actually better for a townie to just accept being modkilled than it is to effectively abstain and never contribute whereas mafia do have an interest to stay alive even if they're not going to play (like I said before).
I'm voting for him on this basis, but we should keep looking at people because we have more lynches in the future. (Or, who knows, maybe Deuce will show up and surprise us with some game-related posts).
I'm going to chime in quickly here. I think his worthlessness is obvious. I will probably end up voting for him, but am waiting to see what more the day brings.
I expect him to either defend himself or do something worth my attention if he wishes me to change my current opinion.
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First of all, addressing what seems to have been the focus of the last few pages: when it comes down to clues vs posting behavior, I side with posting behavior. It's a personal preference, maybe simply because I've never played with clues before. Clues can be ambiguous and point to multiple people, etc. For the most part, clues are left up to interpretation. That being said, unless the town agrees on a better target (ie. not Thegilaboy) for some other reason, I'm voting for Deuce. He obviously doesn't care about the game - I'm not convinced he's mafia, but let's get rid of him now so that we're not wondering later if we're letting some mafia slide by with literally minimum effort.
My thoughts on what Deuce is doing: he's doing the minimum to stay alive, etc. But it's not logical for him to do what he did. Let's look through it.
He's Vanilla Townie: he's new (right?) and doesn't care about the game because he thinks he got a boring role. OK. So logically, he wouldn't post or vote at all. He's Blue Role: he's pretending like he doesn't care, but actually trying to hide. But this doesn't make sense because by posting the way he did, he's just attracting attention to himself by making a retarded post and voting for himself without explanation. He's Mafia: he's trying to lay low and vote for himself, passing it off as abstaining. But like the blue role idea, making a retarded post like he did and not following up just attracts attention, which defeats the purpose of his goal??
Conclusion: He's retarded - I swear, he has the IQ of a paper bag or something. If he can post in the KPop thread, he can post here. It's players like this that give mafia even more of an advantage in the game. Personally, I don't think he would post at all if he were bored town. And if he were blue, he wouldn't be bored... usually. But! I speak from experience [look up PYP Mafia, and sidesprang - he didn't post and got lynched early (on some solid logic sure, but it wasn't foolproof), when he could have defended himself and possibly survived another day or two] when I say that being on a team of mafia isn't as exciting as being a detective, or a medic, or a veteran. Heck, I think DT is probably the most exciting role in the game - I felt so powerful in Caller's 3 Kingdom game lol. Anyway, I could very easily imagine a situation where - especially with 6 members - the other mafia are just begging Deuce to "at least" post and not get modkilled, etc., so he comes and does this.
So this is mainly why I lean toward Deuce NOT being blue and more likely being red. Not 100% sure - maybe not even 50% tbh, but there's not much to go on here -_-.
Hope this all made sense... I feel like it might be a big post of rambling.
Anyway. similar to before, this is going to be a big post, unless the only thing you guys talk about is Deuce vs Thegilaboy.
@LD: Your theory about the 4 inactives voting together, etc. is not to be forgotten or taken lightly. Not because of some time zone or something like that but because we have 3 people - who were notably inactive before Day 2 - come out of nowhere and all of a sudden start posting a lot more, but all pointing the finger at the same person while the thread is quiet, trying to get someone killed based on clue analysis. It's suspicious, but it's not condemning. BUT. It's good that, if you are all town, that you're voicing your thoughts, posting, etc. Keep the posting up.
To clarify: don't get me wrong. Clue analysis is good. But to me, it's extra. Posting behavior analysis is better, such as what crate and MTF have done before in this thread. Again, I don't want to hear it (about clues) unless it's new and plausible - people have been better about this I think, and I thank you. And to force players to analyze other players let's us see later what impressions they had of who - anyone who flips mafia, we can look through their posts and check if they "skipped" over some people, etc.
uhh... ignoring any clue vs posting debate.
@BB: Hey man, was worried where you went. Welcome back :p. Did you do Oberlin CSL o.o? Meh, I guess the only person I know from that teams is Sunyveil heh.
@whoever: I'm not going to worry about posting times. That's too technical for me, I'll leave it up to you guys. If people keep talking about it, I'll think about it a little more. But tbh, it's just something extra, and weaker than the day clues. Without the "scummy poster" backbone, it doesn't mean much to me.
@pyro: Yes, be suspicious of everyone, but don't go overboard. Keep your guard up, but don't jump at people's throats. Doing that makes people like me raise my eyebrows at you and start looking through your posting history. The mod posts are not "wrong" but I expect them to contain either vague or slightly misleading information. If the clues were at all obvious, then the game would be too easy for town. Not going to think too much about the voting patterns at this point, although I'll have to at some point >_>.
@LD/LaXer: Stop bickering =P. Actually, continue, it's interesting to watch hehe. More info for the rest of us. LaXer, not all mafia come and defend themselves. Especially Deuce's type if he is mafia (based on my analysis earlier in this post). Like I said, some mafia don't care enough to do more than whatever it is they feel obligated to do. From his perspective, he might have already fulfilled what his team asked him to do, even though they might be spamming in their mafia forum / PMs asking where he is. He could easily be offline or just not checking the thread. Not everyone bookmarks TL Mafia separately along with TL in their bookmarks bar like me =].
@zeks: when I was mafia in PYP, I hmm... I'm not sure we organized anything. Crap, I wish I remembered. Well of course, we organized the number and role selections, but in terms of posting, I don't think we organized anything. But it was only 4 of us, I was still newbie, sidesprang was afk, Zona became afk, and Foolishness was uh. He was pro xD, but I guess more of a loner act. Still, something that would be good to notice (if you can) when doing posting analyses of multiple people is any connection, or any uhh.. any... common theme (? can't think of a better wording) between their posting. crate has a bit of this (his "possible connections" section at the end of his analyses).
Veterans can't always stop the newbies from doing stuff. See this thread, for instance. lol.
I might consider lynching a different target as well, but we want to be careful about who we pick and if we do, we need to get on it ASAP with clear logic right away, or else it's a bit of a last-minute switch. Definitely don't want to switch the town vote and fail to lynch unnecessarily. Judging by the current time and the fact that a lot of us are American time, I think it's too late for this - most of us will wake up, go to work or school, etc., and possibly be busy for too long to look in the thread and do anything but bandwagon. Honestly, I don't expect an answer to this post for another 4-6 hours.
@MooCow: uhh. Hopefully I can do a fuller review of your poster at the end of this post. Hopefully I manage to stay awake lol. It won't be as good or nice as crates, but it'll have to do ^^.
@BB/Double Lynch: I agree. Ideally, we would use the double lynch and hit two mafia, but we don't have the information for that (afaik) right now.
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@bumatlarge: I'm not sure you understood correctly.. sure, generally, you want information to get out, but information that could potentially lead to catching mafia you want to keep hush hush, maybe share with someone you trust so that they don't get to dodge it.
@LaXer: Terrible logic like LD said.
Not saying anything=innocent Arguing his reasons=mafia
uhh, yea that don't work.
@Misder: I'm not sure. I'll double check later. When I read your post, I thought some of your stuff was based on a wrong name or something.
@The MTF deal: He never claimed he was protected by a medic or he's a veteran. All he did was say "I was hit". It's possible that he's mafia and making up a complex scheme. Keep that in mind as we continue playing. But it's not enough to incriminate him right now. A rolecheck on him might be appropriate at some point, but it's not something we should worry about right now. As far as I'm concerned. he's pretty pro-town.
AFJ lookin' a bit more suspicious fishing for info about MTF... at this point, it's not important for the town to know whether or not MTF was saved last night or took a hit as veteran. Letting the mafia know that information helps them more than us. It's good to tell the town "I took a hit" because the mafia already knows who they targeted last night, and that kind of information can only help the town. End discussion.
@littlechava: deep breaths, don't get too offended by stuff on the internet ^^.
@AFJ: Nice! Analysis. Brownie points for you. crate's has had good ideas and good analysis so far in the game. Not clear, of course, but leaning pro-town at this point. littlechava - you're right in that his posts could use a little work, but I'm less concerned about him and more worried about the other 5-10 inactives / crap posters in the game. zeks - hmm. I'm not excusing zeks for his inactivity plummet. Well, overall, the town's activity has plummeted since the end of day 1, but even relative to that, I've been feeling the lack of zeks. Not sure what to think of him at this point, and whether or not this is a classic mafia fade. @zeks: we could use your thoughts man =p.
@Zyrre: Your plan is unnecessary, as far as I can tell.
If MTF was saved last night, the medic who protected him should feel free to PM him, roleclaim, etc. MTF has no reason to distrust this person.
Why? Because mafia don't know if MTF is a veteran or not. They targeted him. They can't assume that he was protected by a medic - therefore, fake claiming medic to him is a 50-50 shot (excuse my math if it's wrong), which is too high risk for me to consider a viable option.
Take that away, and the only scenario in which someone roleclaim-PMs MTF is if they are the real medic. If he's veteran and gets any medic PMs, well, that's a done deal. And I assume that MTF would notify the town immediately if anything were strange in his neighborhood.
Or are you suggesting something else? From what I can tell, your plan just includes an unnecessary middle man?
Uh what? mafia can stack kills, yes. They can also abstain but that's not in their interest - they might as well stack kills in that case.
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Some analysis:
Misder:
First game post imo (#184) saying that lightning is not a clue (a good observation, at the time). #270: clue analysis, three things (YellowInk, crate, MooCow) #649: returns from being MIA, voted for BB because he couldn't decide between me and YI. Defends himself against a crappy (crappy meaning it was a stretch) clue accusation. more clue stuff - a recap of Thegilaboy's clues and a half-miss on "BurnFiveJuly". A mistake, but understandable, considering AFJ's profile (sorry this is what made me think you had bull posting - didn't realize 'burn' was in his profile). #677: calls AFJ out for dodging. points out a few more clues. #779: leans toward Deuce. Disapproves of double lynch, and advises to keep in mind the voting schedule thing.
Voting: BB, then Deuce.
Thoughts: a lot of clue talk now that I look at it. Try your hand at some people analysis not too many posts and not too long either, although most are a decent 2-3 paragraphs. Not bad not bad.
The only thing that makes me suspicious of him is how focused he's been on clues. An easy pass for mafia (in this game) to look like they are contributing when they aren't. So I'm relatively neutral toward him.
GOING TO SLEEP NOW. FELL ASLEEP WHILE WRITING THIS. D'OH! Just gonna post it anyway.
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@AFJ/whoever:
The major problem I see with trying to lynch MooCow at this point is that we have like 8.5 hours left to vote. I'd rather lynch an inactive town-possible-mafia than lynch no one. There are currently 12 votes on Deuce (3 on Thegilaboy, 1 on MooCow). That's not even enough for him get lynched RIGHT NOW. We still need 2 more votes, and that's with me being mayor.
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On June 08 2010 03:09 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 02:27 DarthThienAn wrote: @AFJ/whoever:
The major problem I see with trying to lynch MooCow at this point is that we have like 8.5 hours left to vote. I'd rather lynch an inactive town-possible-mafia than lynch no one. There are currently 12 votes on Deuce (3 on Thegilaboy, 1 on MooCow). That's not even enough for him get lynched RIGHT NOW. We still need 2 more votes, and that's with me being mayor. Actually, 1 vote is enough to lynch someone so long as it was the first vote, no one has multiple votes, and no one has more than 1 vote on them. The rules here is target with the most votes hangs (tie goes to whoever was rallied up first). We don't need a majority. That being said, since everyone is (supposedly) eventually going to vote, this could easily be swung away from Deuce. I hope that others who are voting late see the logic of not allowing people to evade posting requirements. If we allow this, we'll just lose. Also remember that bare-minimum posting mafia still contribute to mafia KP even though they're basically doing nothing else in game.
oh wow. flamewheel can you confirm?
Just realized that I was assuming this game was majority lynch. There's only this "Essentially, you may not use your non-majority-decided death as a bargaining chip" in the OP that indicates it toward any way (unless I missed something).
That being said, should we or should we not switch?
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On June 08 2010 03:23 YellowInk wrote: @DTA I think you might be misreading the rule against using deliberate modkill as a bargaining chip?
Well yea, but what I meant is that I don't see any mention of how lynching works other than right there.
@pyro getting banned:
pretty strategic if all but 1 of the mafia got themselves tempbanned for 2 days. lolol.
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On June 08 2010 05:21 YellowInk wrote: Oh, hi Hugoboss21. Voting but no post? Better be hearing from you within the next few minutes.
Wait what? I'm looking in the voting thread. Where?
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ebwop: never mind. top of the page lol.
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Considering switching to MooCow, waiting on one thing. It's definitely a better lynch than Deuce at this point. I'll explain more later (dinner).
When does voting end? an hour?
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I dunno LD. I kinda favor the "lynch a potential mafia being active and feeding us lies" first over "lynch the useless inactive who we know nothing about"
What do you think?
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I don't think Deuce is blue. Blue is too good for being uninterested with the game.
So he seems to me like a red who doesn't care, or a townie who doesn't want to get modkilled, but doesn't mind being known as the worst mafia player I have ever seen. I'm not sure which is more likely.
BUT, as a mafia, with this much heat on him, I would've expected a post from Deuce by now. And mafia IS more interesting than being a townie, though there are definitely inactive mafia.
The reason why I'm leaning toward changing my vote to MooCow, however, is that AFJ has a fair analysis of him. His posts ARE rather bad, despite his relatively high post count. Which is suspicious to me, whereas Deuce is more an assumption based thing.
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On June 08 2010 10:33 zeks wrote: 30 minutes and counting! Vote MooCow - read the last couple of pages if you need to know why
*big sigh* one bad option vs the other. Will I regret it if I switch ? lol.
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On June 08 2010 10:40 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 10:36 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 08 2010 10:33 zeks wrote: 30 minutes and counting! Vote MooCow - read the last couple of pages if you need to know why *big sigh* one bad option vs the other. Will I regret it if I switch ? lol. I don't really get how some of the people who vote for deuce think he's gonna flip green anyway .. if you think he's green then don't vote for him If it were upto me I'd rather lose MooCow as a green than deuce as a green.
The thing is, it's possible that Deuce is red. Just less likely.
On June 08 2010 10:40 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:If we knew for sure this game wouldn't be too fun, now would it?
lol. true.
Everyone, I'm switching to MooCow because a) it still requires two of you for that to follow through, so I won't feel as guilty if we mislynch and b) his posting behavior IS really off. I disregard most of his recent posts because anyone will step up their game when their put in spotlight. When I was on the chopping block as mafia in PYP I had a great defense imo, the math just wasn't in my favor. That, and there was only like one person backing me up, haha.
But yea - reasons have been given, but things I'm basing my vote on: - playing the newbie card over and over. - bandwagon-y voting / support in terms of voting - high post count, low contribution level
Hmm. Those are the main things. There are more, but I want to show people so that they can read this before voting.
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On June 08 2010 10:42 zeks wrote:Now that Darth and oni has decided to switch (right darth? it would still be 11-10 for deuce fucking deuce had to vote for himself .... looks like he actually managed to kill himself off the game
Well, technically, he was voted for first, so he would still be lynched at a tie.
On June 08 2010 10:46 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: LunarDestiny, it would be very much appreciated it you stepped up and changed your vote. Even you are apologizing in advance for the deuce bandwagon. As zeks has elegantly put, MooCow's posting is doing nothing but confusing the town even IF he is green. So basically we lose a confusing green and get some information out of it, or kill a red. The alternative is deuce: 99% kill a green and get no information out of it, 1% kill mafia ><
I agree - lynching MooCow will give us more information than lynching Deuce at this point.
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