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And holy crap, has stuff been happening. Mayoral contest is heating up, with YellowInk pushing for himself pretty heavily, despite a lot of people being rather skeptical. It looks like people are reading way too much into the "hot ink/yellowink" clue, which I find odd, because it is Day 1 after all. Clues are traditionally very vague/nonexistant on day 1, and they're also usually very well hidden and not obvious. Since mayoral elections are kinda the big deal today, I thought I'd look at the candidates who have been pretty vocal - YellowInk, zeks, and Darth. YellowInk: He reeeeeeeallly wants to be mayor. Like, seriously. There's been a lot of back and forth between him and Darth re: exactly what being mayor entails. He seems to think that he can be completely cleared by cluechecks, which is not true, sorry bro. However, because pretty much everyone in this game is new, that's a very understandable mistake, so it also doesn't make him look scummy. He's been the most incendiary candidate so far, attacking both zeks and Darth on their plans for their mayorship. Here's what I think: A DT should CLUECHECK (not rolecheck) the hot-ink part of today's post tonight. If that's a clue, then that's pretty damning for poor YellowInk, although we should profile-analyze everyone else just to be sure. It's far more likely that it's nothing, however, which is why I'm not advocating a rolecheck this early in the game (I do not think rolechecks should be used night 1. It's unlikely the DTs are going to die night 1, and having rolechecks late in the game is very useful), so if it's not a clue, then I'd be ok with YellowInk being mayor. Unfortunately, since there's no way to cluecheck before the elections are done, I can't endorse YellowInk for mayor, sorry bro. zeks: he has a plan. He posted his plan. I'm really not a fan of it. His logic behind the DT rolecheck pattern is flawed, for this reason: there is something like a 48% chance they are both in the same bracket. Even though there's a 1 in 225 chance that they both rolecheck the same person, there's a 100% chance that half the players in the game are being completely ignored. This is very very bad. Again, he doesn't look scummy, he looks new. This is not a bad thing, but again, I can't in good conscience vote for a candidate who i don't agree with. DarthThienAn: I've played a game with him before (3 kingdoms mafia rawr :3) and we did pretty well. From his posts so far, he's very pro-town, which I like. His style of play in the last game we played was to make some slightly scummy decisions to try and draw people out. Mafia players tend to love to accuse any town player acting even slightly weird of being mafia, as it draws the suspicion away from him. He had been cleared town by alignment checks, so he went fishing, and (iirc) it didn't really pay off that much, but it wasn't a bad tactic. I feel most comfortable voting for Darth, if only because I have played with him before, and I know he knows the game reasonably well. It's nothing against the new players (this is a new player game after all ^^), but mayor is a role that can make or break town, and we need someone with slightly more experience in the role, plus there are no clues against him and he has a pro-town attitude. So I say, vote Darth for mayor! Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to announce my candidacy for Pardoner. There haven't been any clear pardoner candidates yet, so I thought I might as well get the ball rolling. As pardoner, here's what I would do: 1) Attempt to establish clear connections to confirmed townies I want to try and work with the most active, coolest town people in the game. I would try to coordinate with DTs secretly to attempt to catch scum, I would work with the medic(s) to protect those that need protecting, and the vigilantes to nail confirmed scum. 2) Pardon power roles if necessary If a confirmed townie ever comes under fire from the town and is about to get lynched, I will pardon and protect them. I cannot stress enough how important it is to keep the confirmed townies, particularly the power roles, alive, as they will be the ones that win us the game. Here are my credentials: Have played 2 mafia games before. Won one handily (3 kingdoms) and just barely lost the other (The Life Aquatic). Was townie both times. I am a standard, green townie this game. No special roles, so I am a low-priority target. I am completely clean from the day 1 clues, and there is no suspicion against me. I AM NOT SCUM. That last point is the most important one, and let me stress why: It's bad to let a mafia player (or god forbid, the GF) get into any elected role, but especially bad to give them Pardoner. The reasoning is, Pardoner gets a free ability to protect ANYONE from lynch, two times, and we have no way to block it. What this means is, if a mafia has Pardoner role, unless we catch on really quickly, we essentially have to lynch 8 mafia instead of 6, as the pardoner can protect his brethren twice. This is something we DON'T want to happen. Now consider this. There are 6 mafia. If they vote as a bloc, that probably won't be enough to get any scum into the mayor slot, but seeing as there doesn't seem to be a strong second candidate, that just might be enough to give one of them Pardoner. They can probably hide it pretty well too, by have one of their own announce candidacy for mayor and posting a bunch of stuff so he seems legit, then just having them all vote for him, spreading it out throughout the day so it's even less obvious. I don't want that to happen. Thus, I want you to elect me for Pardoner. What this means is, I am trying to place SECOND in the mayoral election. Whoever you guys choose for mayor (I'm backing Darth, but it doesn't necessarily have to be him) needs to be ahead of me, but I should be ideally, just one vote behind him. So here's what I'm proposing: I am voting for myself now. That will give me 1 vote, Darth currently has 4. Two more people should vote for me, then we should go by the following: One person votes for Darth, one votes for me. Thus, we will slowly creep up, I will never tie or pass Darth in terms of voting, and, assuming for random 3rd party candidates, Darth should end up with something like 9 votes, I should then end up with 8. That should be enough to keep the scum out of office. I hope you all agree with me. | ||
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That game doesn't count though, lol. | ||
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On June 04 2010 08:19 LunarDestiny wrote: I would be happy just having the town getting mayor spot while leaving the pardoner's spot to the mafia. Uhh... no. Just... no. We can't let them have EITHER spot. | ||
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On June 04 2010 11:55 Korynne wrote: I would like to point out that BrownBear made a false statement. xP You didn't so much barely lose as you caused the town to lose if I recall correctly. =P XeliN was like OMG KORYNNE SCUM except you did all sorts of stupid shit and made yourself too scummy to not vote for. =P So I guess you could say you just barely lost but it was also like, you were a big part of the cause. =P Anyway hope this post is okay cuz like, that's not deep analysis, if you read that game at the end you're just like, ohhh fuck. xD Edit: Yeah we all like to lurk and post random one-liners in games. xP No worries, just ignore us all. =P Hey, I made one bad judgement call, and paid for it the entire game. XeliN lost it for the town, not me  | ||
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Of course, now you have garnered my ire. No pardons for you > Give me a little bit to craft my defense/ridicule of you. | ||
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On June 04 2010 11:44 YellowInk wrote: BrownBear, your post reeks of scum. A lot. If this were a game with experienced players I probably would hold off because I'd expect others to pick up on it as well. I'd let you try to make a couple more plays before pointing the finger. But since it's not, here's another incendiary post. Here's why no one should vote for BrownBear. And here's why no one should listen to you  It's true that a clue check isn't 100%. Maybe hot ink just flavor, or maybe there's some other clue pointing at me. You can never be absolutely sure about this sort of thing. However it does provide strong evidence - stronger than anyone else can put forward at the moment. I've attacked Zeks for reasons that are clear in my post. He's playing like scum. I have not attacked Darth - in fact I have said in multiple places that I lean towards him being pro-town. However, I still feel that I am the better candidate for the mayor's office because I have a better way to be cleaned in office than he does. Sure, it's not 100%, but it's better than he has. That BrownBear would choose to say that I have attacked Darth on his plans for mayorship incites conflict where there is none. So... you're saying that hot ink is strong evidence against you. cool. There's a very very serious thing in mafia games. This thing is called the Finger of Shame. The Finger of Shame is what you point at people when you want to accuse them of mafia, and should only be used as a tool to incriminate people you are positive are scum. The Finger of Shame is what you are pointing all over the freakin' place, on day 1. This is a very very confusing thing for you to be doing, as we have little to no evidence to go on. You think zeks is playing like scum, sure, go ahead. It is day 1, however. I have read over zeks' posts, and I don't see anything of serious note in them, so I guess you know something I don't. However, you've accused at least 2 (possibly more) people of being scum. On the first day. You do know you have a chance in 5 of being correct, right? There is no way you have enough evidence to call scum on someone, so you have just rolled the roulette wheel on me and zeks being mafia. What you are doing is very bad, because if you start suspicion on people, you have a 20% chance of it paying off and them flipping red when they are eventually lynched. You have an 80% chance of hitting a townie, weakening the town, and making yourself look bad. If you're going to cluecheck it but not try to link it to me, this is a poor play. If it turns up as merely flavor, the move gained no new information. If it turns up as a clue, it'll make me look bad even though I know it's pointed at someone else. Either I'll get lynched (at which point you'll see that I really am town) or at DT will use up another move seeing if it's linked to me (at which point they'll find it isn't and will have gained no useful information). If you're going to cluecheck it at all, see that it's not linked to me. But only bother to do this if you believe that it coming up as negative cleans me. Do not be led by BrownBear's attempts at making your plays less effective. Yep. That's me. Trying to make everyone's play less effective. Allow me to quote you for a second: On June 03 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: The difference between me and others is that many of them are less clear and overlap. I would be willing to bet that we could try to put together a comprehensive list of how all the clues possibly attach to any of the profiles and there would be at least one mafia who we missed in that list. If someone has multiple clues that could possibly point to them, they're a poor candidate for mayor since it would take several days to clean them. Because I have a singular clue, it puts me in the position to be cleaned efficiently. Yes, if I am not elected to mayor, I'm sure a DT will still check my clue out and find that I am town. In this case I will be supportive in any way that I can. The point of electing me to mayor is that I can be efficiently cleaned in office where others can not. You will always have to wonder if the mayor is red. You told us to cluecheck you. I am saying we should cluecheck you. I don't see where the problem is? Oh wait, I do. You think I want people to cluecheck and not try and link it to you. That's stupid. Just because I said "hey someone should cluecheck" instead of EXPLICITLY saying "cluecheck and see if it's linked to yellowink" I am making the town play less effectively? I question your logic, good sir. I question it. BrownBear's math is as bad as Zeks' even after I corrected it! No worries, this isn't why this area reeks of scum. It's because after the several posts of Zeks trying to mislead town, BrownBear is trying to shrug it all off as Zeks looking new. Also, Zeks isn't new. I havn't gone digging through the history of mafia here (yet), but crate earlier linked a couple games. In particular, see that this is a game from May of 2009 that Zeks played in. I don't buy any of it, BrownBear. Moving on. If you want to accuse my math of being terrible, please back it up with evidence of why my math is terrible. Otherwise, you're just throwing accusations around, which is a bad thing. Also, I didn't know about zeks playing before, my bad. However, in my defense, I joined in the winter, so I was not around in May 2009 when zeks was playing. Still, whoopsie on my part. I just assumed that since this is a more new-player-focused game, most people would be playing their first or second game of mafia. Out of curiosity, is this your first game? Not attacking you or anything here, just curious. This is a set up to garner good will. People like Darth already. He's just riding it. This doesn't contribute much to the discussion anyhow. That he played well or poorly in the past does not reflect on whether or not he should be elected mayor. It doesn't make him any more likely to be pro town in this game. On June 03 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: I have not attacked Darth - in fact I have said in multiple places that I lean towards him being pro-town. Hey, contradictions, cool. Also, the fact that he played well in the past doesn't have bearing on whether he's elected mayor? Dude, it has all the bearing in the world, especially if he is pro-town like you say he is. By your logic, if Darth is pro-town, he's the best mayoral candidate. This is all stuff any pardoner should be doing, if they can. The trick of it, just like the mayor's position, is to have developed enough trust with the townies that they're willing to work with you. Both the mayor and the pardoner have a great deal of power, but either of them can still be mafia. In essense, this block of text says nothing that everyone doesn't already know (or at least should know). And your block of text responding to my block of text says even less. I said that for a reason - I wanted to point out that hey, I know how to play pardoner! When you're trying to run for an elected office, it's generally a good idea to, I don't know, prove that you know what your job is if you happen to get elected? You're now fishing pretty deep to find nonexistent "evidence" that proves absolutely nothing about me other than I know what I'm doing. Except for the part where the top half of your post exclaims, "I AM SCUM!" at the top of your lungs.  Seriously, you probably would have done much better if you had just posted that you were interested in the pardoner position without all the nonsense you led off with. Considering how much a few of the irrational people seem to dislike me, you might have gotten it. Uh, what? I'm actually not sure what this is saying. You want me to do less analysis? Ok, cool... With such a contrived method and keeping the vote counts close as you suggest, the mafia would probably be glad to bump the vote up to make you mayor if you've got enough townies behind you near the end. They could do it and claim noobishness and everyone would shrug saying it's a noob game. Oh look, now we have a mafia mayor. It's true, though. We don't want a mafia mayor OR a mafia pardoner. BrownBear is not someone we want to elect. Meh, that would actually be an effective tactic, if everyone was retarded. Thing is, people aren't. The minute mafia tries to pull a stunt like that, we have at least 3 of them. I explicitly state that my vote count will never exceed Darth's. If I were mafia, and my teammates tried to bump me ahead of him last minute, I'm very certain that people would see that, think "hmmm, now why would those people vote against the very clear plan that was laid out?" and all 3 of us would likely go down. The mafia plan you have laid out here is just plain silly. I think my stance is clear here. :D All this being said, I would still be ok a third candidate for the elections. On on! And I think my stance is clear here :D Before, I just thought you were an overzealous new player who really really really wanted to be mayor, which I can't really fault. But now, I'm seriously starting to question you. PS this is also not intended to be a personal attack against you I love the fact that you're being so active, keep it up! | ||
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On June 04 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: As far as I know, LD and I just share a mutual bond of affection and love. Same with BB. A lot of my supporters in thread right now are just people who have played with me in the past. I can't ever give you up, baby <3 Nah, but I'm backing you for mayor cause I think mayor position needs to be someone who understands the game pretty well, and you've proven you know what you're doing. Plus, Three Kingdoms was awesome, town council ftw ^^ | ||
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On June 04 2010 13:23 crate wrote: Brownbear, alright, so he's trying to get pardoner. I've not decided which office position mafia would like to have more ... pardoner is more obviously powerful in a way because it wastes a lynch, but the sheer fact that it's more obvious makes it less desirable. Upping mafia vote power to 8 instead of 6 can be a big deal too, so mayor is pretty good in that respect. Denying the town the protection and gaining the immunity to rolechecks that goes with either role is obviously huge. But anyway, I'm not trying to discuss that here; I'm posting impressions of the candidates, so I'll return to that. His plan for what to do as pardoner is, well, pretty obvious (kill mafia, save good guys!). It sounds good, but it sounds like politician-speak so I don't think it means much. Most of his activity is either his campaign post or his recent discussion with YellowInk. Certainly this is more activity than the average player who's said, well, mostly nothing of substance--having an inactive elected role is wasting the position of invincibility. The inactivity is my bad, sorry. I've been extremely busy the last couple of days trying to get a visa application out the door, but I will have a lot of time tomorrow to analyze and stuff. As a warning, though, I have job training this weekend so I will only be around in the evenings Saturday and Sunday. As to my politician-speak, eh, pardoner's not really that complicated of a role, it's hard to think of a different strategy as pardoner. I mostly posted that to prove that yes, I know how to play pardoner, I wasn't expecting everyone to jump on it and analyze it to death, lol. I'm not running for mayor because I backed Darth as a better candidate because he's a better player than me. I'm trying for pardoner simply because no strong candidate had emerged yet besides darth (the only other vote in the thread was YellowInk voting for himself), and I really didn't want mafia to get it. So, it's a bit of a gamble. I'm throwing myself on the line, hoping you all will trust me and trust when I say I am green, and in return, if I'm elected, I'll play pardoner to the best of my abilities. ...god that was more politician speak, wasn't it I'm not really sure how to phrase it otherwise though: I think mafia is in a good position to make a run at elected office right now, with only one strong candidate. I want to be the second-strongest candidate, so that we keep the elected roles out of the mafia's hands. Hope that makes sense.so let's look at inactives so far. As of MTF's post: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac had not posted. Since, AFJ and supernova have posted saying they'll post later. If we return to bum's compiled clue link list, we have the following people: 1. TheGilaboy 4. crate 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 14. zeks 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. jiabung 21. LaXerCannon 29. deconduo I see LaXerCannon on both of those lists, so I Vote: Lynch LaXerCannon if the elected decides to go by majority vote. I like this. I don't think we lynch first day, though: just elect mayor. Unless mayor decides who to lynch? I'm not really sure about that. Rules clarification would be awesome ^^ I'll vote for mayor in the morning, since I'm going to bed soon. Let's see some names from the mayor candidates: who would you be lynching if you win? If you decide, like zeks, to go with a majority vote, who are you voting for yourself? Names and reasons, I want more information. Even you Brownbear. Humor me for a moment even though you're not trying to win. Let's say some freak accident occurs and you do; answer both questions please. It's not humoring you, I'm glad to answer. Who would I be lynching: If anyone throws themselves out as particularly scummy (which rarely happens day 1), I would choose them for the lynch target. If there's nobody, though, I will put it to a vote. I myself would probably vote for an inactive, both as an incentive to make those inactives post (hurry up you guys we love you and want you to play ) or one of the people connected to the clues. I have not thought much about it yet, but there's still 24 hours and a lot of posting left in the day, so are you cool with me answering this question more fully with an actual list of names tomorrow sometime? | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:06 YellowInk wrote: For the sake of argument, consider a game of mafia where we had no roles except vanilla townie and vanilla scum. It's clear that in a game like this, you never want to waste a lynch - it's the only way townies have a way to kill scum ever, even if it's completely random it is a net zero play. In truth, at the end of day 1 we do have some information, though it is limited - we have all of the posts that people have made thus far. So choosing a lynch victim based on the information we have is a pro townie play, even if it is still somewhat random. Now consider a regular game with roles like the one we're actually playing. If one were to argue that wasting the first lynch is pro town because we havn't done any investigating yet, this is implying that as the game goes on, the game evolves into a state where townies continuously gain advantage over time. This simply isn't the case. On day 2 and sometimes day 3, the town will still have little to no real 'hard evidence' on anyone. Our lynch victims will be chosen based on various reasonings - mostly that we think either the target is scum, or that if the target is revealed to be town it will strongly imply that someone else is scum, or to encourage a certain behavior (being active) so that we gain the capacity to root out the scum. It's the same on day 1 - we choose a lynch victim that will improve the state of the game such that we can find mafia. I avoid choosing to lynch someone who is likely to be modkilled because lynching such a person does not provide motivation. They were going to die anyway. As such this is a wasted kill. Therefore this does not benefit the town. Per my earlier post, I expect that AFJ, Elyas, and DD will be contributing more to the thread. If they don't, they're ignoring this kind of a warning and should be lynched. Does this make things clearer? Your logic does make sense, but you're assuming that people are actually having the thought "Today, I'm gonna get modkilled!" The whole lynch-inactives idea is really there to force people to be more active. If people think that not posting is going to get them lynched, they will post, simple as that. The more people post, the more likely it is that a scummy player will slip up somewhere - the reason why another of our policies is Lynch all Liars. Also: On June 04 2010 12:55 DarthThienAn wrote: Dude I always thought it was Finger of Suspicion. D'OH! >< You are right, I am an idiot. | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:21 onihunter wrote: Beardude: I really liked him until he responded to Inkguy's attack. His responses weren't that coherent though imo, and he seemed really emotional in that post to me. Also he himself stated that it's personal between the two now, sort of alienating me. However, he IS running for pardoner specifically. Incorrect, good sir. I specifically said at the bottom of my response post that it WASN'T personal. The "no pardons for you" post was kind of meant to be tongue in cheek | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:26 YellowInk wrote: Via a PM conversation, a player believes that my calling people out for their errors and laying suspicion on them for it may appear to be a pro mafia style - at least to players who have not played very much (or any) mafia. In reality, it's quite the opposite. Even if there were no elected role, I would be going after these same people aggressively for their errors because I am town. It is the responsibility of every townie to point out when anyone makes flawed arguments or supplies bad information. If we didn't and just trusted each other to pick out the truth from the lies, maybe some townies would be deceived by some of the information some of the time, weakening the townie position. Consider the flip side - if a mafia player goes after everyone aggressively in the same manner, they're drawing attention to themselves. Such players are likely to be investigated - NOT because a detective necessarily expects them to turn up mafia, but because if they do, it not only gives the DT the name of a mafia, but also a number of people who are highly likely to be town! If a DT were find me mafia, they could reasonably conclude that it's likely that BB, LD, and Zeks are town. Of course this isn't 100% since 1) good mafia players will also cast suspicion on fellow mafia to help avoid this kind of collateral damage and 2) if taken as truth before I am hung, I could be a Miller. In any case, mafia playing aggressively like this can give the town a whole lot of information if and when the truth gets out. As such, most mafia generally have to play fairly quietly. Enough to maintain a presence in the thread, but not so much that they'll open themselves up to getting caught in a lie or give the town too much information if they are found red. This being said, play styles do vary and some people will play mafia roles counter to this stereotype, but it is a highly risky move for the reasons outlined above. This is why my aggressive play style gives evidence that I am pro town. I'm inclined to back him up on this, because it's true. I'm pretty sure he's town, given his insane level of activity and aggressive use of Finger of Suspicion. However, don't overdo the aggression, bro. You'll just end up confusing people and then the mafia can sit back, eat some popcorn, and watch us lynch ourselves to death. | ||
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Seeing as it's Yink and Darth running closely for mayor, it's now really down to who we want in the top spot and who we want as pardoner. I'm very positive DTA is town, and mostly positive Yink is, so I'm not too worried at this point about taking myself out of the running - the only reason I put myself in earlier was because of the fact that there was only one strong candidate (Darth) and I was worried about mafia ninja-ing their way into the election. Now that we have two very strong pro-town candidates, it's time for me to drop out and support this Darth/Yink ticket that seems to have sprung up. So now it's down to which one I want in the top spot. There's arguments for both. YellowInk is very hotheaded, so it might be better for him to be in a role where he has to listen to the town rather than be able to just act on his own. At the same time, putting the cooler-headed Darth as Pardoner might be good, because he will think rationally and not misuse his power. However, I think I'm going to stick by what I said earlier - I really think mayor is a role that should be given to the most experienced townie possible, because mayor also needs to be a leader. I think Darth would be a better leader than Yink, so he is going to get my vote. I still think Yink would be fine as mayor, and I think he'll be a great pardoner. Both Darth and Yink should continue to be incredibly active. They're about to step into the leader roles in the town - this means they are coordinating lynches, telling blue roles what to do at night, and it also means they'll be scrutinized heavily. We have to be incredibly cautious of a misread, so if one of them starts acting scummy, it's a very serious sign. Thus, so you guys don't get accidentally lynched because someone cries foul on you, keep up this level of activity and pro-town-ness | ||
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I'm sad I missed the action T_T | ||
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On June 05 2010 11:31 LunarDestiny wrote: Brownbear, did you slip you tongue. Only mafia and day vig kills at night. The town should now make a propose plan and blue roles should follow it. What do you mean? I said we have 24 hours (night cycle) to ponder and plot and plan a course of action, and then we start the whole voting cycle over again (next day). | ||
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Of course, we could get into the whole "mafia will anticipate it and hit random people" thing, but really, it's better to be safe than sorry. See: Radfield. Almost every single friggin game he gets bumped off early, but the games he stays alive in, he tends to help town out quite a bit, because he is very intelligent and calm and can analyze very well, plus he doesn't mind taking a leadership role, and people don't mind listening to him. | ||
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And I second what Darth is saying - I want to see all the people who were reasonably to terribly inactive the first day really step it up and post a ton second day. I posted something like 20 times, I feel that 10-15 should be the bare minimum for anyone who wants to contribute to the game. Also, make your posts content-filled please! Don't just post 10 one liners and walk off thinking you did your part, cause you didn't, and people will call you on it. On June 05 2010 10:36 LunarDestiny wrote: Here you go (did not take account of quality of post, just quanity. Number of post as of post #469: ![[image loading]](http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8149/post469.jpg) Where did you get that, because I want it. Or is that just your spreadsheet? | ||
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On June 07 2010 09:57 LunarDestiny wrote: A temporary voting count: TheGilaboy(3): LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX. Deucegladlier(3):Deucegladlier, YellowInk, crate. It is highly likely that either one lynch target is mafia. Ignoring Deucegladlier's self voting since it is not logical. We have three more inactive players voting for TheGilaboy and two more active and better posters voting for Deucegladlier. This makes me farther suspects that Deucegladlier is a possible mafia since: 1)Inactive players are voting against active players. 2)TheGilaboy which I consider as average in term of activeness and quality postings vs. Deucegladlier who is very inactive and a bad poster. I am not saying that LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, and CompX are mafia. I am saying if the mafia want to divert our attention and starts a bandwagon, they want to vote early for a suspicious, pro town target. I'm wondering if DeuceGladlier realizes that voting for yourself is a bad idea after day 1...? Either he's new and doesn't understand this, he's a really really dumb mafia, or he just doesn't want to play anymore. I'd like to see him post something in his defense before I vote, but he seems to be a good target, at least for now. If he voted for himself because he just didn't understand the game, that's ok, but I agree with what crate said - his posting has been piss-poor so far, and that's unacceptable at this stage in the game. I will do some more analysis of the clues/closeread the thread later, I'm sorry for my relative inactivity over the last couple of days. I was at a 2-day job training seminar, and for some reason they wouldn't give us internet, despite us working at a tech camp -.- Oh, and crate - Oberlin CSL: hit Z to win | ||
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On June 07 2010 10:12 LunarDestiny wrote: Sorry if I am giving you guys a hard time but I have to follow up on the voting behavior: I check edday 1 voting of Deucegladlier, LaXerCannon, pyr0ma5ta, CompX and I noticed that they are almost the last few voters of the mayor election. Further proving that they might be mafia together... It's possible, but we also might be too hasty to jump to that conclusion because they've all been inactive, and town as a whole tends to put just a little too much faith in the "lynch inactives to hit mafia" idea. I do like your thinking though, and that's honestly not a bad starting point. | ||
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In the last Big Important Mafia game I played (I believe it was XXII), town was not doing so hot, so they tried to use their double-lynches starting day 3. All they accomplished was killing town twice as fast, as they lynched 2 town players a day instead of 1 (iirc they got 1 mafia using 2 double lynches, so 3 town also died). Doubly lynches absolutely should not be used unless we have two very clear targets, and we are very sure both targets are mafia. In this game so far, discounting any "mafias-would-be-inactive-so-lets-get-inactives" evidence, I only see clue-based (i.e. worthless) and circumstantial evidence that anyone is mafia. Thus, I am going to say no to double-lynching for at least one more day, because I don't think evidence is strong enough yet to warrant it. Remember, double-lynch may seem cool, but it's actually a gamble. It can turn defeat into victory for the town, but it can also kill them that much faster. | ||
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On June 07 2010 11:17 pyr0ma5ta wrote: I am just reminding you (and more importantly, the rest of the town) that if things turn out poorly, to remember where this terrible idea came from. You are the only person who thinks it's a bad idea, and you are one of the people indicted by the statement. Until someone who isn't one of the four people mentioned comes out and posts, I'm not really inclined to listen to you whine about how an idea to lynch you is a bad idea, especially given your evidence so far (LD is right, voting is traditionally all over the place and random, so large groups of people voting together is suspicious.) | ||
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On June 07 2010 18:46 DarthThienAn wrote: @BB: Hey man, was worried where you went. Welcome back :p. Did you do Oberlin CSL o.o? Meh, I guess the only person I know from that teams is Sunyveil heh. Yeah, joined midway through though so I didn't get to play last season, will be playing next season tho AFJ: Why the sudden pushing really really hard for voting for MooCow? I'm reading through your logic, and it seems alright, but in a day where it seems likely Deuce is going to get the axe, why would you start pushing really hard to lynch someone else? It makes no sense to me. I'm going to stick my vote on Deuce as a placeholder: like I said earlier, if he posts some content I have no problem changing it, but if he keeps trolling the KPop thread instead of posting here, well... | ||
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It might be strategic to switch our vote off of him to someone else, and see what his/other peoples' reactions are... Also, lol@pyro. | ||
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On June 08 2010 05:20 YellowInk wrote: Eh, I disagree. All we've asked of Deuce is to post something of substance. If he does and it's not just a c/p of ideas everyone else has presented, I'd be glad to swap over to another inactive. Sure, we might not make it in time, but Deuce definitely still has a shot at living. Fair enough, it was just a suggestion ^^ I'm trying to be a bit more active to make up for missing last night + most of today, but for some reason I tend to post a bunch the first day then transition into lurking and posting only when I feel like commenting on something/answering a question. Maybe because I was a zerg player in BW... always gotta transition into lurks :D I will try my hardest to stay active tho. | ||
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It would be interesting to have everyone who leaves their vote on Deuce explain why they left their vote on Deuce. If nothing else, it would be good at rooting out the guys who log on once to vote and post and are then gone for the rest of the day. | ||
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And yeah... all of us on the MooCow train damned ourselves just a little bit by doing that. I'm prepared to defend myself as to why I thought it was a good idea to vote for him, if necessary, but briefly from what I see, the list consists of a LOT of active players - AFJ, myself, DTA, LD, zeks, oni... I think it's far more likely that the mafia stayed silent on the Deuce bandwagon, rather than risking drawing attention to themselves. | ||
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Its possible that there was only one vigi, and his failure may have just put us in a deep hole. I'm hoping there's 2, but I agree with what AFJ and Yink said - unless you have 100% solid evidence you're going to shoot a mafia, save your nightkill for another time. Darth, in response to why I voted for MooCow: On June 08 2010 05:16 BrownBear wrote: Im pretty sure at this point that Deuce knows hes boned, so he's not even trying. It might be strategic to switch our vote off of him to someone else, and see what his/other peoples' reactions are... This is on page 45, when I was realizing that killing Deuce really only gave us a dead Deuce. It didn't really give us much else to go on. When I switched my vote to MooCow, I was hoping that MooCow would die. Here's what his death gives us: We now have a list of people who voted for MooCow that we can analyze. The fact that my name is on this list is irrelevant to me, as I'm fairly confident I can defend myself well, and I have played very pro-town so far. Like MTF said, however, this is a good STARTING point, not the super important all-6-mafia-are-on-this-list-kthxbye list. In addition, we now have the people who chose NOT to switch their vote off of Deuce. Some people, like crate or YellowInk, gave good reasoning backing up their decision to stay on Deuce. Others had excuses, such as they voted for Deuce then posted that they would be gone the rest of the day due to RL reasons, which is understandable. Many people, though, still have yet to post a solid reason, and others were very vocal in trying to throw Deuce under a bus. In essence, MooCow dying and flipping green probably benefited the town much more than Deuce dying, flipping whatever color, and giving us no information. From this point forth, here's what I want to see happen: If you voted for MooCow, give an explanation, similar to mine, as to why you did. Not just "because AFJ said so" or "because I was following the bandwagon", but a solid reason why you wanted him to die. The people who can't answer this question should be analyzed more carefully than the people who can. If you kept your vote on Deuce, explain why you did. If you have already, you're clear, but for those of you who haven't, I'd like to know why. Also, if you were one of the people trying hardcore to lynch him, explain why you did so. If you were part of the random-ass bandwagon on TheGilaBoy, can you explain why you voted for him too? Ideally, this should all happen today, before the night actions get resolved, so that we have a lot of stuff to analyze tomorrow. | ||
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That was not a good night. We are now out of vigis. ...shit. | ||
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On June 09 2010 08:09 crate wrote: Do some math on that one. I'm not sure the better team wins every game in mafia because there's some "luck" involved (medic protections, DT checks, millers, etc.). If I'd been in that game I'd have gone off of Ace's rolechecks too because it was the correct decision. Again, if a DT check that you know comes from a legit DT turns up red, do you really advocate not acting on it? Well, obviously, and that was a weird game because we had Ace out in the open as a DT. I'm just pointing out that rolechecks are not infallible, and should be treated as such. For example, if a very very pro-town player flips red to a rolecheck, we might have to ask ourselves "could he possibly be a miller?" For anyone but the most pro-town players, though, we should definitely use the rolecheck as enough evidence to murder them. | ||
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On June 09 2010 12:05 LunarDestiny wrote: AcrossFIveJuly is a logical target. But Pyromaster is a bad target. Pyromaster got a 2 days temp ban and would be mod killed anyway. That is one wasted kill right there. And looks like someone was protected by a medic. Not wasted, because he did flip bodyguard. I do agree that it was poor logic on the mafia's part though. | ||
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On June 09 2010 13:55 littlechava wrote: Just throwing this out there: Hugoboss and 3 Lions have been pathetically inactive this entire game. Now there's multiple clues pointing towards them. If this isn't mafia behavior I don't know what is? Indeed. I think unless they post soonish, my vote is going to fall on one of them. I'd say 3 Lions because the clues seem stronger, but that's just me. Also, vote for double lynch today, because we are rapidly runningout of time. | ||
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On June 09 2010 18:20 DarthThienAn wrote: WAIT. The clues are juicy but a DT check is better. I got my information from a source. yo. onihunter is mafia Chances of him being miller? Meh, forget it. I'll take my chances. Lynch him today, lynch 3 Lions tomorrow with some other person (vote for double lynch as well) Sounds good to me. Voted ^^ | ||
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On June 10 2010 11:11 onihunter wrote: or on gift cards, know what I mean? eh wut wut the awesome rolly gooey feeling when you roll them into a tiny ball just the right amnt of stickiness, not enough to be like an eww but enough to be like a "hey this feels nice" Oh, you. Epic mafia troll is epic. | ||
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On June 11 2010 10:28 YellowInk wrote: Looks like a lot of warnings are going out in about a half hour. And a couple modkills - maybe we'll get lucky. It's not like there was any reason to wait to vote down to the wire. This game is so messed up. Everyone has voted, so unless people have posted and I just haven't noticed, it looks like we will be cool, at least for today. Also, I'm vaguely insulted by my name on the shit list, but more insulted by the fact that nobody's analyzed me yet | ||
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On May 28 2010 02:16 flamewheel wrote: Player List: 1. TheGilaboy 2. Hugoboss21 3. Zyrre 4. crate 5. LunarDestiny 6. 7. 8. 9. bumatlarge 10. 11. 12. littlechava 13. 14. zeks 15. 16. YellowInk (Pardoner) 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. LaXerCannon 20. BrownBear 21. 22. MTF 23. CompX 24. 25. Misder 26. 27. DarthThienAn (Mayor) 28. 29. deconduo 30. sputnik.theory + Show Spoiler [Profile Photos] + 1. TheGilaboy 2. Hugoboss21 3. Zyrre 4. crate 5. LunarDestiny 6. Deucegladlier 7. onihunter 8. MooCow 9. bumatlarge 10. 3 Lions 11. barth 12. littlechava 13. AcrossFiveJulys 14. zeks 15. Icysoul 16. YellowInk 17. DCLXVI 18. TyranoS_NiveK 19. LaXerCannon 20. BrownBear 21. jiabung 22. MTF 23. CompX 24. supernovamaniac 25. Misder 26. pyr0ma5ta 27. DarthThienAn 28. ElyAs 29. deconduo 30. sputnik.theory 19 of 30 players remaining ? of ? Detectives remain ? of ? Medics remain ? of ? Vigilantes remain ? of ? Veterans remain ? of ? Millers remain 1 of 1 Mayor remains 1 of 1 Pardoner remains 1 of 2 Bodyguards remain 4 of 6 Mafia remain (this includes the Godfather) 1 of 1 Godfather remains Mafia KP = (# of Mafia / 2) rounded up. Max KP = 3, Min KP = 1 Current Mafia KP = 2 15 of 24 Townies remain (This includes all town-aligned players) 4 out of 19 isn't too bad, but we have to remember that there are still millers in the game - I would venture a guess that there are two, so there's a 1 in 3 chance that anyone who flips red to a rolecheck is a miller, just something to keep in mind. Also, only 2 Mafia KP, awesome | ||
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The later the game goes, though, the worse modkills are for town (unless they're scum modkills of course). We aren't doing horribly right now, but we aren't doing great either, so I would advocate townies who don't want to play at least contributing the bare minimum. If nothing else, they're padding the number of town so that mafia has to spend that extra 2 or 3 KP to kill us (which gives us an extra day, which can mean a LOT). Essentially, at this point, what I'm saying is that lynching inactives is no longer in our best interest, and we really have to start basing our lynch behavior off of one of the following things: -Behavior in thread (if someone gets caught contradicting themselves, they are most likely scum, because townies have no reason to lie). -Rolecheck results (although remember, millers do exist, so rolecheck only has a 66% chance of netting us a mafia). -Clues (but be very very careful, because it's easy to overanalyze and find clues where there are none). -Analysis of past posting habits (probably the safest way to catch mafia). I believe this is the safest way for us to go forward from here. | ||
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On June 12 2010 08:50 crate wrote: I'm really curious about where this 66% comes from in a semi-open game. My assumption that there are 2 millers in the game, as I said in an earlier post: On June 11 2010 11:43 BrownBear wrote: -insert long-ass player list here- 4 out of 19 isn't too bad, but we have to remember that there are still millers in the game - I would venture a guess that there are two, so there's a 1 in 3 chance that anyone who flips red to a rolecheck is a miller, just something to keep in mind. Also, only 2 Mafia KP, awesome I think it's a pretty safe assumption, given the number of people in the game, and the way past games of this size have been run, so unless proven wrong I'm going to continue to assume it. Of course, I could be completely and totally wrong. | ||
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And to think we were so happy about doublekilling mafia yesterday... shit. So here's what needs to go down: Today, we have a double lynch. We need to use it very very wisely. People I am concerned about: zeks Hugoboss TheGilaBoy Misder Will be posting analysis on at least one of these fine gentlemen later. Tonight, a very important and dangerous thing has happened: both Bodyguards are down. Darth is naked. This is a bad thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if mafia decide to stack on him in an attempt to take him and his 3 votes out of the game. However, they may anticipate that and hit two random people instead while the medic(s) are tied up protecting Darth... ugh, problems. Ideally, we want to lynch 2 mafia today, because in addition to being awesome, that gives mafia only 1 KP going into tonight. Thus, only one medic on Darth every night is needed to ensure his safety, and if there are others they can protect other important town voices. In order to do this, we have to lynch wisely, this means that as annoying as he is, we can't lynch DeuceGladlier or another of the idiot inactives. As dumb as they are, their chances of being mafia are very very slim. We need people to provide clean, solid analysis on whomever they choose, but we need analysis on everyone, even the people we think are protown like DTA or crate. As such, I propose we do the following: You may analyze as many people as you wish. AT THE BARE MINIMUM, though, please take a look at the following playerlist: Player List: 1. TheGilaboy 2. Hugoboss21 3. Zyrre 4. crate 5. LunarDestiny 6. Deucegladlier 9. bumatlarge 12. littlechava 14. zeks 17. DCLXVI 20. BrownBear 22. MTF 23. CompX 25. Misder 27. DarthThienAn (Mayor) 29. deconduo 30. sputnik.theory Very simple, analyze the person below you. So I will analyze MTF, DCLXVI will analyze me, Misder will analyze DTA, sputnik.theory will wrap around to the top and analyze TheGilaBoy, etc. If you wish to analyze more than one person, please feel free to do so, but do this at the bare minimum please. And put some effort into it, even if you're analyzing a very very pro-town player, because they could always be a very skilled mafioso, or even the Godfather. OK GO | ||
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On June 12 2010 12:39 DarthThienAn wrote: OH WAIT IM TOTALLY NAKED. Yes that is the only thing I got out of your post BB. Awww... You don't like my idea? | ||
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And what Darth said, any holes in the analysis will be covered 99% of the time. | ||
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I'm also wondering why it was that mafia chose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Both are pretty equally dangerous as town coordinators, but YellowInk's ability (pardon people) doesn't really hurt the mafia at all, and can actually help them if he accidentally pardons scum. Darth's triplevote is incredibly dangerous to the mafia if he's town aligned, and also, he had just gotten one of them killed. With the events of day 3, it is really confusing to me why the mafia would choose to hit YellowInk instead of Darth. Maybe I'm just being paranoid... but I'm a little concerned now. | ||
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Voting Habits: Day 1: YellowInk for Mayor Day 2: DeuceGladlier for lynch Day 3: Onihunter Nothing that special here. He kept his vote on Deuce after the bandwagon changed to MooCow, which means abosolutely nothing. He did vote differently than onihunter both times, and 3 lions the one time 3 lions voted, so that counts for something (actually, probably counts for a whole lot, unless mafia are retardedly coordinated with their day votes.) Overall: What I'm noticing is while he hasn't been super-mega-LD-style active, his posts tend to be reasonably content filled and well thought-out. He's more active than I have been, too, so I really can't knock him for that. A few things I have noticed/posts of note: Night 1: he claims to have survived a hit. Seems pretty cool, since only 2 people died and stacking hits would be stupid, so there's not much to go against him. He tends to base his analysis off of clues, although more recently he's started analyzing behavior. Like I said, his posts tend to be well thought out and on the longish side. Here's an example: On June 07 2010 04:40 MTF wrote: This is a very succinct explanation. Seems quite plausible. Well done.  The biggest flaw with this theory is, quite simply, "why?" Why would Mafia put two hits on either of them, when they could have stacked those two on a higher profile/more active townie? The only plausible implication would be that I am myself doing what I warned town of before I left for work yesterday. It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. If any more Mafia members would like to come over and say hi, I'll gladly invite them for a stay. I'll be going over clues again after work tonight, as well as reviewing the post histories of a chosen few individuals, hopefully with as much analysis as crate provided. Keep looking and talking people! He shows that he's reading and analyzing the thread well, revisits an old idea he had and revises his opinions based off of whats happened so far, and he shows a pretty solid grasp of what's going on in the game. All of this speaks town to me. so to summarize: Arguments for TOWN: -Well thought out posting that has been critical of already-caught mafia members. -Voting history that is pretty much the exact opposite to caught mafia. -Probably was telling the truth when he survived that night 1 hit. Arguments for SCUM: -Not a whole lot. -Possibly could be playing a very elaborate mind game? Unlikely. So I'm pretty sure MTF is town. | ||
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Also, we might want to consider going for another double lynch tomorrow... | ||
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I will vote in it after the results of today's lynch, because that will tell me all I need to know. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg) But seriously, here are my thoughts on the game. Mafia played very well the first couple of days. Sneaking Darth into the mayoral spot like that was brilliant, I didn't see it coming until much later. Mafia's biggest mistake came from deciding to nail both LaXer and YellowInk night 3. I see where they were coming from, as YellowInk was a dangerous person to keep alive for much longer, but nailing the bodyguard AND the pardoner in one night aroused too many suspicions that the town circle was infiltrated. Plus, the whole "why was YellowInk targeted and not DTA" thing started suspicions on Darth, which I think led to the mafia's downfall. crate was mafia? The Godfather, no less? I am completely blindsided, he played an excellent game, and he was actually on my excel sheet as LEAST likely to be mafia. Darth played very well too, until that slipup on the last day, where he drew way too much suspicion on him. Sucks that the DTs were apparently clairvoyant (nice job, guys!), and kept his hands tied throughout the second half of the game, but so goes the life of a scum mayor, I suppose. I am slightly confused as to why mafia conceded. Here's how I see the rest of the game playing out: 2 scum lynched by us, Darth probably cleared in the eyes of the town crate had absolutely no suspicion on him from what I can tell The 2 of them should have been able to keep it going for a good long time, maybe being able to make a run at an endgame win (although it would have been hard once it got down to 5-6 people, but hey, they had a decent shot) Not like I'm complaining that they conceded, but if I had been in their place, I probably would have elected to keep fighting. Plus, the sacrifice-half-your-team ploy would have been just so incredibly badass. Looking back on the game, here's who I thought was almost positively town: crate MTF DCLXVI DeuceGladlier DTA (provided bumatlarge flipped red, which he would have) And here's who I thought were mafia: Hugoboss LunarDestiny TheGilaBoy CompX (that would have been a tragedy, lol )So I was pretty far off, lol. Still, I'm glad it worked out in the end. Thoughts on my play: I didn't play as well as I wanted to this game. My reading of the game, and of several people in it, was off. Here's what I'd like to do better myself next game: BE MORE ACTIVE DAMMIT: I was pretty active Day 1 and 2, but I dropped off a LOT afterwards. This is following a trend I've noticed in my playstyle, so I need to work to keep it together for the long haul. I don't want to make flamewheel cry Don't trust people who post a ton of great analysis. Example: crate. Dude appeared extremely town-aligned to me when I read over his posts, but only because they were long and substance-filled. I really have to read more carefully into people's voting habits and WHAT they are saying, and look a lot closer to try and catch contradictions. Above all, DON'T TRUST PEOPLE YOU KNOW FROM PAST GAMES JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEM FROM PAST GAMES. (i still <3 you DTA, but you played me like a piano T_T). That's all for this post. Funtimes coming up in a bit | ||
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THE BEARIES!!! ![[image loading]](http://www.filmfestivals.com/pixus/festivals/berlin/2001/ours_dor.jpg) (please note: Bearies are lighthearted trophies I decided to give out because I felt like it. No insult or emotional distress is intended by the Bearies. If you are insulted by a Bearie, it is probably because you are angry and/or neoconservative and/or German, and hate web 2.0 )Fun awards I thought I'd give out to players for their different accomplishments in this game. It was a ton of fun, and I didn't want it to end without at least some recognition for some players, so without further ado... BLABBERMOUTH BEARIE: For the most active player Goes to LunarDestiny! By my count, he had over 200 posts in this thread, which is massive considering that makes up about 1/7 of the total thread content. This man was on at all times, was always paying attention to the thread, and while some of his posts erred a bit on the spammy side, major props have to be given for just the sheer amount of time he spent paying attention to this game. As a side note, I'd love to see your endgame excel. I bet it's a lot better than mine ABOVE AVERAGE JOE BEARIE: For the best town-aligned player has to go as a tie between the two detectives: DCLXVI and deconduo! These two fine gentlemen pretty much won the game for town by themselves with some truly clairvoyant rolechecks, not only rooting out scum, but forcing Darth to essentially play as a townie through Day 2 and 3, and causing the mafia's nefarious plans to unravel and collapse around them. Well played, sirs, and thank you for saving our butts when we needed you most! I look forward to playing with you guys again. SUPERVILLAIN BEARIE: For the best mafia player most definitely goes to crate, with DarthThienAn as a close second! Darth was also an excellent mafia player, managing to sweep his way into office on day 1, but he did overstep his boundaries just a little bit on the last day, and his position as mayor actually worked against him as he was under intense scrutiny, which led to his downfall. crate, on the other hand, started off strong by establishing himself with some solid, seemingly town-aligned logic and analysis, built up a trusting public relationship with the town, and continued throughout the game with great posting and town logic - never letting on that he was in fact the Godfather, and the evil mastermind behind most mafia plots. From my semi-close rereading of the whole game, I did not notice a single post that seriously considered crate as a possible mafia suspect, which is huge for a mafia player. He played extremely well, I actually think he could have taken the game much further if he wanted to, even by himself, and I look forward to enjoying playing games with both of these players in the future. RADFIELD JR. BEARIE: For the most hard-luck player belongs to barth, who has now been killed night 1 in two games I've played in with him It's especially sad because he seems to be extremely excited about playing, but he just seems to attract night hits. Hopefully this won't continue in the future.KORYNNE BEARIE For the best rookie is awarded to YellowInk! Coming in for his first game (unless I am totally and completely wrong, which I'm pretty sure I'm not), YellowInk showed that he wasn't afraid to put himself out there, running a valiant but ultimately doomed campaign for mayor. In his role of pardoner, he continued to work as one of the best public town organizers I've seen, and was extremely active. In a climate where new players often feel overwhelmed and tend to be quieter and just attempt to soak everything in, YellowInk jumped right in to the deep end, got as involved as he could, and helped town immensely while he was alive. Well done, sir! TDOT BEARIE For the best troll is awarded to onihunter for his hilarious acceptance of his fate and his proceeding to spam up the thread with image macros and youtube videos while hampering town discussion (like any good scum player ), and also bumatlarge, for his complete refusal of his fate, and his proceeding to insult every member of his team that abandoned him, as well as several other random players. Their reactions to knowing their fate was sealed were varied, but incredibly awesome.BABY BEARIE: For the cutest mod :3 goes to flamewheel, obvs :3 :3 :3 'Twas a great game, folks. Can't wait for the next one. (No actual bears were harmed in the making of the Bearies. The entire country of Germany, however, was deeply insulted.) | ||
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On June 16 2010 13:22 Qatol wrote: You act like him getting pardoner was a bad thing. Last time I checked Pardoner is stronger for the mafia than mayor is. 1. Less scrutiny and 2. really powerful ability late game. So the town getting to deny the mafia that role is really important. Very true, I didn't mean to give off that impression. It was more meant as a lament that his campaign drew him a bit of undeserved scrutiny early that ultimately lost him the mayoral election to Darth (which was totally not a bad thing, as it worked out :D) My apologies for wording that wrong. | ||
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