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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 11 2010 00:49 GMT
#20
...No no no no no

I disallow my Three Kingdoms to be degraded!
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 11 2010 19:08 GMT
#48
I've read the original novel, read the Chinese manga, watch the Chinese TV series, watch the Japanese anime series and countless miscellaneous stuff.

Side note, everyone who is interested in Three Kingdoms should watch the Chinese TV series, aired in the 90's. Epic shiet.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 11 2010 21:23 GMT
#55
On May 12 2010 04:52 Korynne wrote:
Yeah, I forgot the names... @_@ Especially the phoenix guy.

Also I remember the like "ji sheng yu, he sheng liang" line but I don't remember the other character in his name. xD


The quote is, "既生亮, 何生喻?"

His name is 周喻
Zhou in Mandarin, Chow (Chou) in Cantonese.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 13 2010 03:18 GMT
#77
Can you update the first page with players already signed up?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 13 2010 18:01 GMT
#88
On May 14 2010 00:23 Caller wrote:
no it wont goddamit

we need more signups
or else im not running a game for a LONGGGG time

-_-


Well if you actually update the signed up list...
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 15 2010 00:22 GMT
#115
##Signup##
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 00:37:59
May 15 2010 00:27 GMT
#116
On May 15 2010 07:39 flamewheel91 wrote:
Caller boo you should send me le list when it starts.
Since I want to be lawling.


Not accusing you or anything, but I think you should refrain from posting if you do get the list. I know you like to random post in the game from time to time.

Like Ace's game, even vague comments of the sort like "lol, so funny when you know everything" could have affects to the game.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 00:29:50
May 15 2010 00:29 GMT
#117
- Shit double post -
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-15 00:42:17
May 15 2010 00:39 GMT
#120
On May 15 2010 09:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
give fishball zhang jiao


No way man.
I am so...

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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 15 2010 01:40 GMT
#122
Um, 趙雲(Zhao yun) belongs to 蜀(Shu)...
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 18:17 GMT
#274
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 18:19 GMT
#275
On May 19 2010 03:15 Tricode wrote:
Curious question.

I been reading the rules and no where does it state that Yellow turbans can do anything other then recruit. So is it the yellow turbans goals to influence our votes to vote anyone, but them?

Just something to consider when looking at the yellow turbans.


What are you talking about?
The CAN recruit. They just can't recruit a faction leader, as the whole group instantly dies if so.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 18:22 GMT
#277
On May 19 2010 03:19 Fishball wrote:
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On May 19 2010 03:15 Tricode wrote:
Curious question.

I been reading the rules and no where does it state that Yellow turbans can do anything other then recruit. So is it the yellow turbans goals to influence our votes to vote anyone, but them?

Just something to consider when looking at the yellow turbans.


What are you talking about?
The CAN recruit. They just can't recruit a faction leader, as the whole group instantly dies if so.


Nevermind, I think I mis-read your post.
Eating lunch.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 18:24 GMT
#278
On May 19 2010 03:20 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

Well, he will know the faction he is in. But Caller said the recruited member will not know any of his comrades.
Ask Caller.
Exactly, this is basically a cult game.


Well, I posted here just so Caller can answer all these questions up front.
The answers will change a lot of things, and I have plenty of follow up questions to ask depending on the answers.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 19:05 GMT
#282
On May 19 2010 03:49 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

no
no
yes and ^_^


Do the players ever know which Faction recruited them? (Yes, according to previous page?)
Do the leaders know what character the player he recruited has?
What is the incentive for the players to help a certain faction leader? I mean player A can be playing for Wu the first day, then playing for Shu the second day. Also, if player A carries crucial information of his faction, and was then recruited to another faction... well, you know what I'm going at.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 18 2010 20:40 GMT
#297
On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 04:05 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 03:49 Caller wrote:
On May 19 2010 03:17 Fishball wrote:
So do the players ever know which leader recruited them?
Do the leaders know what powers the players have when he/she recruited them?
Since enemy players can be recruited, that means a player can be "recruited" back and forth? If this is the case, is this game mainly a war among the 4 leaders and the rest are just chess pieces?

no
no
yes and ^_^


Do the players ever know which Faction recruited them? (Yes, according to previous page?)
Do the leaders know what character the player he recruited has?
What is the incentive for the players to help a certain faction leader? I mean player A can be playing for Wu the first day, then playing for Shu the second day. Also, if player A carries crucial information of his faction, and was then recruited to another faction... well, you know what I'm going at.

a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.
b) no, he doesn't
c) That's all up to the discretion of the player. Just like in RTK, some people planned for defections ahead of time


Wait, what, the player doesn't even know he is recruited?...Ok
- Will there be a count of how many members per faction in the front page? Like Wu: X members, Shu: Y members, Wei: Z members. At least some indicator?
- So the leader doesn't even know whom or what he recruited, quite interesting.
- Well in RTK, you know who you are actually recruiting, his Fighting/Int/Diplomatic/Charismatic etc. skills and the such. . I mean, for the majority of the players, we aren't even fighting for a common goal, accusing each other "scum" or the sorts; As if we are mindless zombies.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 00:04 GMT
#331
On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay, guys.
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.

This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech.

I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose...

NEUTRAL REVOLUTION

Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed:
Show nested quote +
Victory is attained when one faction outnumbers all the other factions.

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On May 11 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:
i should probably specify that when i say outnumber all other groups, i mean that one group has more than 50% of the total player population.


You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see?

I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies.

Let me stress that.

OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING.

This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!?


As cool as this idea sounds, it wouldn't really work. It is too hard to work, as all the neutrals would have to be on the same page.
Also, leaders can still "recruit" you whether you like it or not.
Still, I like this idea. I would be way more motivated to play for myself, instead of leader(player) I don't like.

For this to work, basically everyone has to role claim; Their character and powers. Then we organize our night and day KP, to trim down the leaders to two. We then kill them at the same time in order to prevent "a single party outnumbering the other" situation.
Of course there are a lot more smaller details to sort out, but this is the main idea.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 00:48 GMT
#334
Just a side note, I personally think it would be more interesting if the players would be forced to stick with their leaders who recruited them till the end. At least there is (false?)sense of loyalty there, as that would be the one and only faction you will be trying to help to win.

Kinda curious though, based on our current scenario. If a leader recruits a DT or Assassin, he/she doesn't know what he/she recruited. The DT/Assassin also doesn't know he/she has been recruited. Now lets say the DT uses their abilities on player X. Player X comes out as Zhao Yun. Ok great, you've found Zhao Yun, but what does that means to you? What should you do? Tell your leader? You don't even know who that person is. Tell the general public? For what? He might even be on your faction already. Same thing can be applied to the assassin. What is the purpose of using your ability? Unless you just want to randomly kill people, there really isn't any "purpose" in general.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 00:52 GMT
#335
On May 19 2010 09:32 Hesmyrr wrote:
I PM'd Caller. Caller confirmed that "all remaining neutral players win lawl". It is going to be pretty difficult, but at least we got the technicality out of the way.


I highly doubt all players would want to do this, and we still have other obstacles to go through, such as picking out the false role claimers (leaders), and sacrificing/balancing out the numbers of those that have been recruited. Oh, and we would also have to know WHO have been recruited.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 15:39 GMT
#372
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 16:41 GMT
#374
On May 20 2010 01:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 00:39 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?

From my understanding, YT aren't bad, they are just imba. The bad guys are the ones who are constantly lying.


You don't get my point, I'm not talking about who is and who isn't the bad guys.
I'm just questioning what is the point/purpose of picking on the YT first. The majority of the players, neutrals, currently doesn't belong to any faction. It's like some players wants to pick on the YT right now just because.
If you've read any of my previous post, you should know what I'm talking about.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:14 GMT
#379
On May 20 2010 02:17 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well...It's probably because they keep their recruits...that's kinda scary...But if they recruit me then I guess I would have to be the best yellow turban I can be, right?


On May 20 2010 03:01 BrownBear wrote:
Well, yeah, YT are not BAD per se... but the imba-ness of their ability to keep their recruits that's drawing the ire of people right now.

Also, lol at everyone who thinks I'm the YT leader.


I know that they get to keep their recruits, but there should be only a couple of situations that one would be against the YT; Either your a leader of a certain faction, or you just hate playing for the YT (Like some people hate Wei/Shu/Wu).

Seems like a lot of people are just having blind hate for the YT right now.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 18:25:50
May 19 2010 18:22 GMT
#381
On May 20 2010 03:04 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 01:41 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 01:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
On May 20 2010 00:39 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?

From my understanding, YT aren't bad, they are just imba. The bad guys are the ones who are constantly lying.


You don't get my point, I'm not talking about who is and who isn't the bad guys.
I'm just questioning what is the point/purpose of picking on the YT first. The majority of the players, neutrals, currently doesn't belong to any faction. It's like some players wants to pick on the YT right now just because.
If you've read any of my previous post, you should know what I'm talking about.

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 01:41 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 01:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
On May 20 2010 00:39 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?

From my understanding, YT aren't bad, they are just imba. The bad guys are the ones who are constantly lying.


You don't get my point, I'm not talking about who is and who isn't the bad guys.
I'm just questioning what is the point/purpose of picking on the YT first. The majority of the players, neutrals, currently doesn't belong to any faction. It's like some players wants to pick on the YT right now just because.
If you've read any of my previous post, you should know what I'm talking about.

Okay, if you insist, let me put it in neutral perspective then.

First since there are three recruiters vs one YT recruiter, neutral's chance of becoming YT are much lower than possibility of becoming other faction. If YT manages to grow unabated, it effectively means that everyone not belonging to YT is literally screwed. This demands two strategy: 1) eliminate YT which is likely to become your enemy, or 2) beg for YT to recruit you. This is up to personal choice, but I don't know, I find first idea rather better than second idea.

Second YT recruiter is different from normal recruiter in one thing; they can get killed from choosing faction leader, while other three faction does not have to worry about such things.

Third Something happened, and YT leader is out. With him revealed chance of his victory decreases dramatically- wow, playing as neutral, it's time to change alliance! Oh wait, you are stuck. Too bad.

Even when you are aiming for faction fight, this demonstrates YT is horrible for your individual survival. And if we are going to play as Town, well, getting rid of strongest cult is obv.


I would agree of offing YT first if we were aiming for the "neutral victory", but if not, I could care less.
All the posts I've made so far regarding the YT, are just questions about our current situation. By all means I'm defending them. It's just a funny observation to see so many people jump on the wagon.

*By all means I'm NOT defending them.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:24 GMT
#382
On May 20 2010 03:20 Ace wrote:
I mean most people suck at finding scum, why would you even be worried about the YT leader being found?



Oh, that's why I've never brought this up and am not going there.
Like mentioned in my post above, I just find this situation interesting.
Sheep herd effect?
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:26 GMT
#384
Fuck, I edited my post.
Meant to his quote and edit in a new post.

(*By all means I'm NOT defending them.)
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:30 GMT
#385
On May 20 2010 03:26 Hesmyrr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2010 03:22 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 03:04 Hesmyrr wrote:
On May 20 2010 01:41 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 01:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
On May 20 2010 00:39 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?

From my understanding, YT aren't bad, they are just imba. The bad guys are the ones who are constantly lying.


You don't get my point, I'm not talking about who is and who isn't the bad guys.
I'm just questioning what is the point/purpose of picking on the YT first. The majority of the players, neutrals, currently doesn't belong to any faction. It's like some players wants to pick on the YT right now just because.
If you've read any of my previous post, you should know what I'm talking about.

On May 20 2010 01:41 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 01:31 LunarDestiny wrote:
On May 20 2010 00:39 Fishball wrote:
On May 19 2010 17:50 Bill Murray wrote:
Everyone who is voting their armies to me, I *IMPLORE* you to shift your armies to hesmyrr. Trust my read on this one. I have a strong town read on him, and I would not make that good of a general.


Strong Town read.
Town read.
Town.
What town?

Also, reading the posts from some of you guys, when did YT became the "bad" guys in this game?

From my understanding, YT aren't bad, they are just imba. The bad guys are the ones who are constantly lying.


You don't get my point, I'm not talking about who is and who isn't the bad guys.
I'm just questioning what is the point/purpose of picking on the YT first. The majority of the players, neutrals, currently doesn't belong to any faction. It's like some players wants to pick on the YT right now just because.
If you've read any of my previous post, you should know what I'm talking about.

Okay, if you insist, let me put it in neutral perspective then.

First since there are three recruiters vs one YT recruiter, neutral's chance of becoming YT are much lower than possibility of becoming other faction. If YT manages to grow unabated, it effectively means that everyone not belonging to YT is literally screwed. This demands two strategy: 1) eliminate YT which is likely to become your enemy, or 2) beg for YT to recruit you. This is up to personal choice, but I don't know, I find first idea rather better than second idea.

Second YT recruiter is different from normal recruiter in one thing; they can get killed from choosing faction leader, while other three faction does not have to worry about such things.

Third Something happened, and YT leader is out. With him revealed chance of his victory decreases dramatically- wow, playing as neutral, it's time to change alliance! Oh wait, you are stuck. Too bad.

Even when you are aiming for faction fight, this demonstrates YT is horrible for your individual survival. And if we are going to play as Town, well, getting rid of strongest cult is obv.


I would agree of offing YT first if we were aiming for the "neutral victory", but if not, I could care less.
All the posts I've made so far regarding the YT, are just questions about our current situation. By all means I'm defending them. It's just a funny observation to see so many people jump on the wagon.

What neutral victory? My post was specifically addressed to someone who wants to play individually instead of aiming for neutral victory. Your wording seem to dismiss my arguments by classifying it into my neutral policy, and make me suspect you either are budding up for the YT recruitment or has a role that is aligned positively with YT.


Sure, if you want to "live" in this game, and survive to the end. Killing YT would also be a good choice just in case they recruited you and made a boo-boo.
Personally, I don't care. I don't have a goal in this game, and surviving till the end is not one of my goals.

It's my fault for reading the game rules so late so I nobody but myself to blame. If anyone wants to take my spot in this game, I would gladly give up my spot.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:31 GMT
#386
Too many typos, argh
That's what happens when you're eating lunch. *)
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:44 GMT
#389
On May 20 2010 03:37 BrownBear wrote:
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On May 20 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote:

It's my fault for reading the game rules so late so I nobody but myself to blame. If anyone wants to take my spot in this game, I would gladly give up my spot.


Wait, why are you bouncing? I don't understand.


I'm not bouncing. I'm just saying if anyone else that is interested in playing this current setup, is welcomed to take my spot.

I've mentioned quite a few times since yesterday, the lack of a common "goal" or "loyalty" for the majority of the players. Do-whatever doesn't interest me. The proposal of a neutral victory was indeed interesting, but realistically not viable.

So far, I'm just curious about the YT situation, hence my questions. Hesmyrr has brought up a few good points, so that is pretty much it for now.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 18:51 GMT
#393
On May 20 2010 03:45 Caller wrote:
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On May 20 2010 03:38 Hesmyrr wrote:
I'm sorry you feel that way. This setup surprisingly doesn't have that much flexibility in its early game tactics, so yeah as always I will blame Caller for creating a setup which encourages individual play. At least I have no motivation to commit myself to some unknown group led by mysterious leader; this is why I was pushing for the neutrals, but like I said looking at the setup I can see why some people would not like it.

k modkill it is


I'm not afk quitting or anything, just saying if a more passionate player would want to take my spot, I would be happy to abide.

I did sign up for this game, so I'll stick to the end. But if you think its viable to end it for me right here, that would work too.

Up to you.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#398
Choice would be simple for me. Lynch LR.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 19 2010 19:25 GMT
#400
On May 20 2010 04:18 BrownBear wrote:
LR will probably just get modkilled, though... I guess since it's first day, we could get away with that, but otherwise why waste a KP on someone who is just going to die anyways?


That's what I thought at first too, but he did voted, so I'm not sure how this works.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 19 2010 20:21 GMT
#419
On May 20 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:
You don't want a victory for the neutrals?


I don't feel like pulling the reading comprehension card again from Mini Mafia-1...
Read again, I never said "I don't want".
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 20:28 GMT
#426
On May 20 2010 05:18 L wrote:
Fishball's pretty much spamming while saying he doesn't want to play. Given he and I have had altercations in the past I'm wondering if that's intentionally done to make it look like he doesn't have a power role, or whether or not he is indeed a leader.


My posting period on weekdays is pretty much the same everyday, usually during my lunch hour in the office. I don't know what our past has to do with this, unless you are a leader and think I wouldn't want to be under you so I want to quit?

Also, I'm pretty confident that everyone in this game has some sort of power from their roles. If I were a leader, I wouldn't need to go emo. Then again, you can argue this could be an act, and here we go in circles again.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 19 2010 20:33 GMT
#429
On May 20 2010 05:26 Bill Murray wrote:
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On May 20 2010 05:21 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 04:46 Bill Murray wrote:
You don't want a victory for the neutrals?


I don't feel like pulling the reading comprehension card again from Mini Mafia-1...
Read again, I never said "I don't want".


I didn't understand your wording, which is why I asked


Ok, so I didn't quote your entire line, so just reply exactly to what I quoted, great.

You already made a conclusion in your head by saying you were disappointed at me. Your question afterwards isn't exactly a question.

If you were to word your statement as a question, you should have said,

"Don't you want a victory for the neutrals? If not, I would be disappointed in you."

Not the other way around.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 19 2010 20:35 GMT
#430
On May 20 2010 05:30 L wrote:
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On May 20 2010 05:28 Fishball wrote:
On May 20 2010 05:18 L wrote:
Fishball's pretty much spamming while saying he doesn't want to play. Given he and I have had altercations in the past I'm wondering if that's intentionally done to make it look like he doesn't have a power role, or whether or not he is indeed a leader.


My posting period on weekdays is pretty much the same everyday, usually during my lunch hour in the office. I don't know what our past has to do with this, unless you are a leader and think I wouldn't want to be under you so I want to quit?

Also, I'm pretty confident that everyone in this game has some sort of power from their roles. If I were a leader, I wouldn't need to go emo. Then again, you can argue this could be an act, and here we go in circles again.

Nah, its more that I know you're prone to rage, hence why It kinda makes sense that you'd rage a bit. Your logic on the past page, however, hasn't been as unrefined as it normally is when you rage.

So its mostly a question of whether or not you're bluffing. This post basically states that you've got some kind of role, too, so I dunno.


Yes I do have a role. I'm pretty sure everyone does. That was my point.
I'm replying with this small window opened in the office, so my replies are a bit hasty. Lunch hour has passed afterall.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 20 2010 23:52 GMT
#537
On May 21 2010 07:53 Iaaan wrote:
Well, I guess Cao Cao being killed will make me happy in the future if I get recruited, but right now, I don't really care. I'm not really sure what to be posting, if I had good analysis on someone, it doesn't really benefit me, or anyone else who is neutral, to share it.


Pretty much what I've been trying to say yesterday.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 21 2010 01:10 GMT
#549
Lu Bu will go rage and kill everyone now.
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Fishball
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May 21 2010 04:34 GMT
#578
On May 21 2010 13:22 Iaaan wrote:
only problem I have with tricodes thing: Why did you decide to announce L's role to everyone if you are neutral? What did you hope gain from it? Makes sense if you are on someones team already, even if you do have detective abilities.


Why not? A lot of neutrals are interested in killing leaders.
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Fishball
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May 21 2010 04:59 GMT
#586
On May 21 2010 13:47 Caller wrote:
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On May 21 2010 13:45 Tricode wrote:
On May 21 2010 13:41 L wrote:
Except you have no way to prove it and making crap up.
So, how doesn't that apply to you?

I'm not in the least worried about what you flip because I'm 100% positive it isn't a sane DT, because you're lying :/.

Remember L. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR! BUT YOU DO! YOU'RE GOING DOWN!
Sure you do. If you flip yellow someone's already outted himself as your leader. He probably realizes this and that's why he's actively lurking despite being around the site. If you flip neutral vig, you're right, you have nothing to hide but you'd be flat out wrong about me. If you flip insane DT or something similar, that'll explain itself and we'll have even less information.


I don't recall there being a role like insane dt since nothing like that was announced in the rules and nothing states how I can gain my sanity or figure out such a thing.

Other wise all dt's would be useless if you go with that logic.

Your logic is flawed. FAIL

lol i didn't mention anything in the rules wheeeeee


Go update your player post.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 21 2010 13:39 GMT
#627
On May 21 2010 22:19 Abenson wrote:
First of all, I would like to point out that L is not yellow
Why?
I am Taishi Ci, a Yellow Turban killer.
I have the ability to visit a person each night, and if he's yellow, he dies.
I visited L, and he didn't die.
I still believe he's a faction leader, but I want to confirm he's not yellow.


Ooo, you are 太史慈. I like this dude.
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Fishball
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May 21 2010 13:47 GMT
#628
On May 21 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote:
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On May 21 2010 16:47 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On May 21 2010 13:27 Tricode wrote:
On May 21 2010 13:13 L wrote:
Except the fact whether I die or not you will follow or prove my innocents.
But you won't prove anything because you're going to flip YT. YT doesn't give a shit if they sacrifice one of their chumps to secure a lynch because they're 2 people ahead, maybe more if they can do that.

You forget that I know you're lying. Like, flat out, 100% certain.

I also know that because you're lying, you're probably YT.

Lets look at how the day started; you go "i have a leader" for some reason. You don't just flat out go "I checked L and he's a Leader". You try to finesse your way into office. Someone goes "ok" and you're like "YO GUY, 100% I KNOW". When it becomes obvious that no one's going to trust you straight up, you lie outright and target me.

Or rather, you probably thought it wasn't a lie because of the vig hit. And you figured that you'd be cleared as a DT if you were right. But sadly if i hadn't been saved by a medic, I'd be dead, and you'd be happy just the same.

So yeah, pretty obvious ruse. Nice try with the yellow lettering though.


Except you have no way to prove it and making crap up. Even if you did have a med and vig hit. Which I don't know why you would have 1 person decide to kill you and 1 medic decide to protect you out of no where.

You are obviously lying and trying to save your Faction Leader skin.

The biggest issue is I won't turn up what you claim because you are indeed not telling the truth. This is convincing me even more that you are possibly YT.

L you're lie can only take you so far. You're going to die no matter what. You know my death will prove your guilt cause of my some what DT ability.

With your death my innocence is proven and that is a guarantee of my abilities and your lies.

I am letting you know THIS IS A GUARANTEE NOT A RISK! L IS A FACTION LEADER! IF YOU LET HIM MANIPULATE YOU THIS TIME HE WILL CONTINUE TO MANIPULATE YOU AND RECRUIT YOU!!!

EVERYONE Know this, if L he does live, everyone else recruited by other faction leaders will know he is a faction leader if he continues to play. L will die and all he recruits will come down with him.

Remember L. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR! BUT YOU DO! YOU'RE GOING DOWN!

...Actually so far roles haven't been revealed on death. Nobody but me knew about my loss of abilities. (Killed night visitors, and a special requirement for me to be killed during the day.)

So I dunno where your going with this, but I'm fine with killing L. Iaaan will probably die with him.

Also...Don't DT's check alignment? Seems more like a role check role....

L's making fun because Tricode (is he new?) isn't aware dt's don't know their sanity? Keep in mind Tricode seems to of checked role, not alignment...L is simply a Faction Leader, not a Kingdom...so it's role not alignment.



Agreed, this sounds much more like a role check. I imagine an alignment check would simply come back as blue/red/yellow/etc. Given that it's a role check, it would be unlikely for it to not be accurate. I'm not even sure how an insane dt would work in this format, I mean, there's no bad guys or good guys really. Insane dt's work in normal mafia because everything is clear cut. Tricode maybe you could tell us your characters name, and we could run it through the LunarDestiny ROTK machine to see if there's any lore reasons you might not get an accurate result.


Currently I believe Tricode about his role check, and I think L is a likely faction leader. It's possible L is telling the truth though, as it would make sense for the YT's to sacrifice a member to kill off a faction leader. That would be an excellent trade for them. So if we imagine that Tricode is a YT, where does that get us. Well, for starters the YT's would have to KNOW L is the faction leader before they decide to sac a player to kill him. It makes no sense to try and kill L unless you suspect him of being a leader. So this means the YT's must have used some KP last night(or a role check, in which case Tricode is telling the truth anyways) to try and kill L, only to have it not go through, therefore they would claim that L is a faction leader, given that it's basically been confirmed faction leaders have veteran abilities. Only, L is just a regular townie, and happened to be saved by a medic, which threw off the YT calculations. This is basically what L is saying happened.

As far as I'm concerned, the simple way to clear this up is to have the medic role claim. I don't understand why people think that roleclaiming medic would suddenly make you a target? There's no mafia here. A medic absolutely doesn't threaten the faction leaders one bit, and doesn't threaten the townies. Why would anyone waste kp on a medic? If anything, it makes you slightly more likely to be recruited is all.

So I'll be voting Tricode for now, unless a medic pops up and verifies what L has said. Of course it's possibly that L is a faction leader that had both a medic and vig/assassin target him last night, but oh well. Basically, as a neutral townie(hell, any alignment), I don't really care who flops what. But this will give us some interesting info at the very least.

Also Tricode, even if you're telling the truth and L flops leader, it doesn't make you any more trustworthy as the game progresses, because you could be recruited at any time. In fact you would likely be recruited YT with powers such as yours.



One thing I want to point out. Medics, DT's, Assassins etc. does not necessarily mean a good recruit; These players don't have to help their leaders if they didn't want to. Also, keep in mind they don't know who their leader is even if they wanted to help.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 21 2010 17:42 GMT
#645
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.


No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away.


Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited.


I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit.


No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no.


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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 21 2010 18:12 GMT
#664
On May 22 2010 02:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On May 22 2010 02:42 Fishball wrote:
On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.


No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Plus YT recruits will always play to their fullest given that they can't be swiped away.


Says who? I'm pretty sure a player can very well not give a damn if he didn't want to play for the YT for whatever reason he has.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
And remember that the leaders have the option of getting Caller to notify a new recruit. For instance, if I got a msg saying I was recruited to the green team, and then the green leader contacted me the same day, I'd be pretty damn sure that I'm on the green team. Given that all players likely have a role, it would be bad practice for leaders to not tell their members that they've been recruited. Also given that we're down to three factions(possibly two after today) there will be much less member swiping by the leaders. Which again makes it more likely for the leaders to tell people they've been recruited.


I never said it wasn't impossible to find out who recruited you. I'm just pointing out the risk factor that the leaders have to take if they wanted to tell the recruits he recruited them. This is just a hypothetical scenario, but god knows if Caller allow assassins to assassin their own leader.

On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
Anyways, alignment/role checkers and assassins make excellent recruits, because as a faction leader you would be able to find and eliminate potential threats, and also find good roles to recruit.


No. They CAN be good recruits if the player wants to play for you, but for sure a good recruit, every single time? Definitely no.






Well if we are all playing to win...And our win conditions change...Then I suppose we would play for whomever recruited us then.


You said it.
Keywords, "if, suppose, would". Anything is possible, but nothing is concrete.
In the past, there has been Townies that want to screw town over; There was a Mafia that gave out the list of his Family just because he was bored.
In a game like this where everyone has their own agenda, things aren't that simple.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 21 2010 18:40 GMT
#674
I am Qin Shi Huang.
You guys are all my bitches.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 01:13 GMT
#915
On May 22 2010 07:41 L wrote:
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On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)

We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康)

Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁.

She has a different name in ROTK, afaik.


No I didn't.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 01:15 GMT
#916
On May 22 2010 08:08 LunarDestiny wrote:
Yes, Lady Sun, , and Sun Ren are the same person.

But the question I am asking is Sun Ren is a very less used name for her. I played tons of ROTK games, watch tons of ROTK related films, and read the novel and I still don't know when I first saw Sun Ren.


That aside, giving the recruiters the list of names could have very bad in the late game. Well, I already gave mine so there is no turning back.


Sun Xiang Shang is the most used name.
I vouch with my life, just saying.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 01:30 GMT
#922
I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.

Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.

I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 22 2010 01:31 GMT
#923
On May 22 2010 10:18 BrownBear wrote:
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On May 22 2010 10:13 Fishball wrote:
On May 22 2010 07:41 L wrote:
On May 22 2010 07:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
Hmm... that leads me asking the question: Why did Caller gave L a character in her other name (子) (think middle name)

We all got the our characters in last name then first name.
ex. Zhao Yun(趙雲) and not Zhao Zi Long(趙子龍)
me Xu Zhu(許褚) and not Xu Zhòng kāng(許仲康)

Fishball gave you the name for Sun Shangxian. Not Sun Ren. Sun Ren is 孫仁.

She has a different name in ROTK, afaik.


No I didn't.


There you are! Nameclaim pls?


My replies were dedicated to posts pages back, which means I was reading through the friggin thread that exploded after lunch.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 01:40 GMT
#929
I can be recruited, but I get to escape the next cycle if I wanted.
Uses, of course, is limited, so no, I'm not perma-neutral.

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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 01:47 GMT
#933
After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.

I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 01:48 GMT
#934
On May 22 2010 10:45 LunarDestiny wrote:
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On May 22 2010 10:40 Fishball wrote:
I can be recruited, but I get to escape the next cycle if I wanted.
Uses, of course, is limited, so no, I'm not perma-neutral.


How many uses there is/are? Please say 6 (hence the term 七擒七縱孟獲)


I want to keep that number confidential for now. Hope you see where I'm coming from.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 02:22 GMT
#938
On May 22 2010 11:16 johnnyspazz wrote:
okaay sooo i don't have access to a computer for like a day and jesus christ the thread doubles??? can someone give me a heads up on what i should know?


You're a lesbian.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 02:50 GMT
#954
On May 22 2010 11:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
how does escape recruitment ability work if the leaders can decide if you are notified or not if you are recruited? does caller pm you saying, "you are being recruited, counter action?"


Someone please help me answer this question for poor johnnyspazz.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 03:03 GMT
#955
Hint: Answer on page 47.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 03:26 GMT
#958
On May 22 2010 12:13 johnnyspazz wrote:
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On May 22 2010 11:50 Fishball wrote:
On May 22 2010 11:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
how does escape recruitment ability work if the leaders can decide if you are notified or not if you are recruited? does caller pm you saying, "you are being recruited, counter action?"


Someone please help me answer this question for poor johnnyspazz.

haha you are so bitter i love it


If you honestly can interpret that as bitter, then I'm going to worship you.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
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May 22 2010 17:53 GMT
#1033
On May 22 2010 10:47 Fishball wrote:
After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.

I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be.

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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 22 2010 18:16 GMT
#1041
On May 23 2010 03:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 22:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] +

On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote:
I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.

Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.

I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment.

On May 22 2010 18:12 MyHeroNoob wrote:
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On May 22 2010 18:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Myheronoob, why are you posting pic here.

cos thats my character, meng huo <_<

+ Show Spoiler [DarthThienAn and TwoToneTerran] +
On May 22 2010 13:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
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On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away,

I'm Ma Chao.

sup yo.


If you are Ma Chao, what's your power?

Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is.

Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao.

Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of.

At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying.


Yeah I was just fishing ^^.


On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote:

To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D.

I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time:

I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway.

They both did have better posts about Ma Chao...Anyway...

I dunno whom to believe...probably more so Fishball said he might quit earlier...MyHeroNoob hasn't really been posting...Whole things wild.


We'll deal with it after this Night cycle.
I actually don't care if there are two dual claims right now, let's just focus on our task one by one.
Also, just for the record, I never said I'd flat out quit. I said I'll be willing to give up my spot for a more enthusiastic player if need be.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 22 2010 18:19 GMT
#1043
On May 23 2010 03:08 Radfield wrote:
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On May 23 2010 02:53 Fishball wrote:
On May 22 2010 10:47 Fishball wrote:
After reading so many pages regarding our current situation, I'd still say stick with Tricode's original proposal, then kill Tricode if things did not go as planned.

I DON'T CARE who is lying. It is all a distraction. Just kill them one by one if need be.




Should we all quote our own posts now Fishball to show how smart we are


I was also going to quote where I replied to you, regarding players that are recruited does not mean loyalty to their leaders. They can screw them over if they wanted. This case is a good example.

Couldn't find that post ;(
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 22 2010 18:23 GMT
#1045
On May 23 2010 03:18 LunarDestiny wrote:
Yeah, I knew that Sun Ren stuff was bullshit. Now time to get the remiaining 2


Yup.
Sun Ren is almost NEVER used for Sun Shangxian.

Seems like most characters names used were picked from this list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dynasty_Warriors_characters
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 22 2010 18:48 GMT
#1051
On May 23 2010 03:43 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 03:16 Fishball wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:09 ~OpZ~ wrote:
On May 22 2010 22:03 LunarDestiny wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Fishball and MyHeroNoob] +

On May 22 2010 10:30 Fishball wrote:
I wonder who was the first to bring up the idea of Name and Roleclaiming 2-3 days ago? Hmm... I think it was me.

Also, stop saying that I'm MIA ffs. I have a full time job that requires me to work from 7-4pm weekdays. I also go to the gym 4 days a week and am back home usually around 6 MST.

I'm Meng Huo. I get to escape from recruitment.

On May 22 2010 18:12 MyHeroNoob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 18:02 LunarDestiny wrote:
Myheronoob, why are you posting pic here.

cos thats my character, meng huo <_<

+ Show Spoiler [DarthThienAn and TwoToneTerran] +
On May 22 2010 13:40 DarthThienAn wrote:
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On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away,

I'm Ma Chao.

sup yo.


If you are Ma Chao, what's your power?

Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is.

Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao.

Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of.

At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying.


Yeah I was just fishing ^^.


On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote:

To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D.

I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time:

I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway.

They both did have better posts about Ma Chao...Anyway...

I dunno whom to believe...probably more so Fishball said he might quit earlier...MyHeroNoob hasn't really been posting...Whole things wild.


We'll deal with it after this Night cycle.
I actually don't care if there are two dual claims right now, let's just focus on our task one by one.
Also, just for the record, I never said I'd flat out quit. I said I'll be willing to give up my spot for a more enthusiastic player if need be.

Nah, you guys can deal with it during the night because I should be daykilled, which opens all the vig power and anti-YT power to be used on people who have double claimed.


I meant right after you're lynched. It is Night now, no?
Oh, seems like I used wrong term and should have said Day.
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May 22 2010 19:06 GMT
#1060
Hesmyrr was the only person that PM'd me at the beginning regarding a neutral victory.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 20:06 GMT
#1072
On May 23 2010 05:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
So only 3 hours till night begins. I have a bad feeling I won't make it pass the night...


This isn't "Mafia".
Unless leaders can tell their recruits with KP to actually kill someone, or a random neutral decided to kill you just because, then it is pretty much impossible for you to die.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 20:14 GMT
#1075
On May 23 2010 05:09 LunarDestiny wrote:
The fact the Diao Chan dies out of nowhere in Night 1 still bothers me.


People taking their chances of being a hero by trying to snipe a Leader.
Happens every game.
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May 22 2010 20:47 GMT
#1082
On May 23 2010 05:29 Radfield wrote:
Ask and yee shall receive Bill. Two people have not name claimed, and Fishball actually name claimed two different names. I might have missed some stuff so if anyone see's any omission let me know.

1. Bill Murray yuan shao
2. Hesmyrr Action Blocker Lu Xun
3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao
4. Radfield Zhuge Liang
5. Scamp Guan Yu
6. Ohn
7. Falcynn Sima Yi
8. Iaaan
9. L Sun Quan
10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai
11. MyHeroNoob Able to desert Meng Huo
12. Xelin Roleblocking Jian Wei
13. BrownBear Vigilante Zhao Yun
14. Tricode Role Cop Lu Meng
15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao
16. Abenson YT Killer Taishi Ci
17. ~Opz~ No Role Lu Bu
18. Barth ??? Diao Chan
19. Trezequet23 Kills any leader who tries to recruit him Cao Pi
20. Fishball Able to desert Meng Huo AND Qin Shi Huang
21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu
22. Last Romantic Leader Cao Cao
23. DarthThienAn zhou yu
24. Jugan Zhang Fei


Yes. My Qin Shi Huang role grants me the ability to kill you all with my pinky if I wanted too.
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Fishball
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May 22 2010 22:46 GMT
#1091
On May 23 2010 06:48 LunarDestiny wrote:
Liu Ci was the Emperor for Shu also and he sucks hardcore.


You mean Liu Shan, 劉禪
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Shan
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May 23 2010 12:30 GMT
#1132
Are you guys seriously keeping Qin Shi Huang on the list?
I'm in total awe.
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May 23 2010 22:28 GMT
#1171
I think Caller is just too busy and missed that Hesmyrr would have gone down with L.
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May 23 2010 22:59 GMT
#1178
Like I said before, I'll be answering and clarifying our current situation after L's lynch.
Will post later after I deal with some crap.
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Fishball
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May 24 2010 04:02 GMT
#1185
Ok, got some free time now so here it goes.

I am not Meng Huo.

I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited.
Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did).

Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following.

On May 22 2010 02:42 Fishball wrote:
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On May 22 2010 00:02 Radfield wrote:
I disagree, alignment/role checkers and Assassins would make excellent recruits. Sure they might decide to not help their leaders, but that goes for every role in the game.


No. Bodyguards roles and the such will not have a choice, as their abilities are passive.


My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not.

----------

I am not a leader or recruiter.

When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim).

On May 19 2010 09:04 Fishball wrote:
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On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay, guys.
On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.

This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech.

I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose...

NEUTRAL REVOLUTION

Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed:
Victory is attained when one faction outnumbers all the other factions.

On May 11 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:
i should probably specify that when i say outnumber all other groups, i mean that one group has more than 50% of the total player population.


You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see?

I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies.

Let me stress that.

OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING.

This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!?


As cool as this idea sounds, it wouldn't really work. It is too hard to work, as all the neutrals would have to be on the same page.
Also, leaders can still "recruit" you whether you like it or not.
Still, I like this idea. I would be way more motivated to play for myself, instead of leader(player) I don't like.

For this to work, basically everyone has to role claim; Their character and powers. Then we organize our night and day KP, to trim down the leaders to two. We then kill them at the same time in order to prevent "a single party outnumbering the other" situation.
Of course there are a lot more smaller details to sort out, but this is the main idea.


BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't.

So your role is awesome, if it's true. Can you explain exactly how it works, please?

If you want collateral, just let me know, and I'll roleclaim to you first. I am still neutral.


LunarDestiny had a good read here.

On May 23 2010 03:54 LunarDestiny wrote:
For the case of Meng Huo's double claim. At least one of them is telling the truth. The other one... might not be a recruiter. What is bothering me is the remaining people who hasn't nameclaim. I ask one more time, please go forth and name claim.

Remaining 3:
6. Ohn
8. Iaaan
24. Jugan


----------

As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough.

Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now.

In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me.

Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT.

Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows.

Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly.

Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims.
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May 24 2010 05:41 GMT
#1196
Fine by me. Tricode check, or Abenson YT hit both works.
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May 24 2010 05:43 GMT
#1197
On May 24 2010 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
fishball for 3rd recruiter


Would be dumb if I'm a recruited and ask Tricode to check me, no?
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May 24 2010 21:36 GMT
#1241
On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote:
Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited?


You mean you are already recruited?
The leaders have a choice of notifying you that you got recruited. If you know you are already recruited, what faction recruited you? YT or Shu?
Also how does you power works if YT recruited you?
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May 24 2010 21:39 GMT
#1242
On May 25 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Also, dammit, Fishball. I may have not had time to switch my night action off of MyHeroNoob.

I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see.


You still have plenty of time to switch.
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Fishball
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May 24 2010 21:47 GMT
#1243
On May 25 2010 05:56 XeliN wrote:
I'll change it to Fishball if Caller allows, was going to go for him but then I remembered Bill was quite vocal and then after didnt say much which usually strikes me as suspicious. I didn't realise he'd alrdy claimed.


You can do whatever, but this move would just make me laugh as it is just a waste. The purpose of my post was to convince the general public that I am not a recruiter nor YT. Yes, ofcourse it doesn't proves my claim, hence the word convince. If my post doesn't make any sense, sure you can go ahead and use any further precaution on me, but if it does, then your action would be just flat out dumb.

Tricode's check, can prove that I am not a recruiter.
Abenson's hit, can prove that I am not an original YT (unless I'm recruited and not aware).

Your role block however, proves nothing, and acts only as a precaution.
If you went through my long post, and decide that I am still a better target for a valuable night action compared to others, be my guest.
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Fishball
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May 24 2010 21:53 GMT
#1245
On May 25 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Also, dammit, Fishball. I may have not had time to switch my night action off of MyHeroNoob.

I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see.


Wait, so you really switched to Jugan over ohN, or any other dual claimers ;o
Though I kinda see where you're coming from picking Jugan.
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Fishball
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May 24 2010 21:55 GMT
#1247
The fact that I lived, proves I'm not YT
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May 24 2010 21:57 GMT
#1250
I would say neutral, since the name is black.
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Fishball
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May 24 2010 23:15 GMT
#1262
On May 25 2010 07:22 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, mind if you give us your character name. The reason is if one of us die and we didn't lie about our character name, the stuffs we said are highly believable.


There is a reason I said I'd rather have Tricode check me, instead of announcing my actual role.
Yes, I know you are just asking for the name, but let me just word it this way, my abilities and my name is tightly linked.
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May 24 2010 23:19 GMT
#1263
On May 25 2010 07:30 LunarDestiny wrote:
Tricode you found a leader again... the chance of that. We also don't know if you are lying or not(no offense since you say you are now on the dark side (yellow turban)...

Trezeguet23, sorry to say but I got to believe that Tricode is telling the truth since he has good history for day 2. If he is lying, he probably will be one of our target in the future.


I'm not surprised if Tricode targeted Trezeguet23. He was one of my prime suspects. In my previous long post, he was the only person I advised to use a night action against.

On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote:
Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT.


If Tricode is lying, he can only lie once, as if we lynch Trezeguet23 and he turned out to be something else, it would be the end of Tricode.

The course of action here is pretty much straight forward.
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May 24 2010 23:23 GMT
#1264
On May 25 2010 07:23 Tricode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2010 07:00 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I also did nothing, except have a full body cavity search performed on me.


To only find you have the ability to recruit and 2 night hits. Congrats!

ADD:

Ok, I have some good news and some bad news.

Which do you prefer to hear?

Well to bad, I get to pick for you. Bad news first.

I have forced into slavery to work for the YTs! Isn't that great! But unfortunately for these idiots they haven't told me who I'm working for or anything other then I have been recruited for them.

Good news time!

Well even though I was recruited I don't know who I'm working for so I will just continue my goal of killing leaders and guess who is our next Target! That's right Trezeguet23!

Now I have a proposal! There might be a chance he is YT! Well if he is, I die with him. But what if we role block him and let me find the other leader?

This might cause problems in the long run, but the town can take that chance if they want. Remember it is just a proposal. So it's up to you the neutrals to decide what to do.

Otherwise down with Trezeguet23!


So they actually choose to notify you they recruited you. Seems they did that to observe your reaction.
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Fishball
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May 25 2010 01:30 GMT
#1274
Don't need to listen, unless he wants to reveal all his comrades.
Trezeguet23 will die tonight.
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May 25 2010 03:03 GMT
#1289
On May 25 2010 11:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
Soon to die:
Trezequet23
Tricode
other YTs


On May 25 2010 11:46 BrownBear wrote:
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On May 25 2010 11:25 DarthThienAn wrote:
ebwop:

did i just get ninja'd? lolol.


Yep >

Also, Abenson, you're pretty useless from here on out. Sorry, bro.


Did Caller already confirmed the rest of the YT's will die along side? Huge difference.
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Fishball
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May 25 2010 13:44 GMT
#1368
In the morning at work right now and checking the thread.
lol @ Xelin and BM.

I can mock Xelin so hard (his logic is on par in Ace's game), but I have no time, or have the effort to do so.

I've already mentioned many times, feel free to have Tricode check me. I am not Liu Bei. If you think my actions, logic, and motives thus far have not been helping the neutral, then so be it.

First off, I did not ask or started a bandwagon to have people vote for me. To me, people voting for me is a vote of confidence, which I appreciate.

Our current situation is a very similar to L early on; People jumping out and causing distractions. I don't give a flying f***. As I say again, these are all distractions.

Trezeguet23 will die tonight.

Right now, Tricode is our most trustworthy figure. If he lies and mislead us, he dies, simple as that. Until then, we have no reason whatsoever NOT to trust him.

Also, to all those finger-pointing-people. Let's assume I am Liu Bei, it doesn't change the fact that we will at least have a mutual goal in this situation, which is to eliminate the YT.

Carry on, will check back at noon.
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Fishball
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May 25 2010 18:08 GMT
#1385
On May 26 2010 00:00 Radfield wrote:
Fishball, I'm assuming you mean that Trezguet will die today with the daykill, and not tonight.

If that's the case you have my vote, and I urge everyone else to vote Fishball as well.


Argh, I hate these terms.
Yes you are correct. He will die by being lynched (invaded with army).
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 00:24 GMT
#1446
You guys sure like to shit all over the thread when I'm gone.
Will reply after I'm done dinner.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 00:51 GMT
#1452
On May 26 2010 08:24 LunarDestiny wrote:
So this is what I am going to do

##Kill Trezequet23

So the army owner should go for another suspect.


No, don't.

I will be using the armies on Trezequet23 as originally planned. You guys organize whatever Day, Night, Afternoon, Evening kills we've got on other targets.

I don't want any but this, but that, could of, should of after the event. Stick to the plan.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:22 GMT
#1457
Basically what BM has been trying to pull off in the last few pages is quite amusing.
If BM really wants to die, we can have either LunarDestiny or BrownBear to take him out. But BM dying as a YT, doesn't proves his credibility much. He can very well be sacrificing and drawing fire to himself.

Trezequet23 has a very high chance of being an original YT. Tricode also claims that Trezequet23 has the ability to recruit. Unless Tricode switched sides, we should make our decisions based on the information provided by him. If Trezequet23 turns out to not be a leader, then we will have other things to worry about.

Also, I don't understand how Abenson got recruited as Shu, and how BM labeled him as Bodyguard. The picture doesn't add up here.

First off, none of the factions excluding YT, started off with a bodyguard. LR died by himself, L died with Hesmyrr which he recruited, so I have a hard time imagining Liu Bei would start with a Bodyguard.

Secondly, Abenson's role is Taishi Ci, a YT killer. This role, by all means doesn't look like a bodyguard in any shape or form, and Taisi Ci doesn't belong to Shu in the Three Kingdoms.

With BM just pushing his side of the story forward and Abenson laying low the majority of the time, this draws my attention.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:23 GMT
#1458
On May 26 2010 10:05 LunarDestiny wrote:
It is too late indeed since I also pmed Caller for letting him know that I wish to kill Trezequet23.


You can still change it, like right now.
WTF is too late?
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:24 GMT
#1460
If I were you, I would hit johnnyspazz.
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May 26 2010 01:26 GMT
#1461
I would also like to add, isn't the voting period 48 hours?
It has only been 24, so we should still have 24 hours to go.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:29 GMT
#1463
We don't know about the YT leaders, but it is safe to assume the rest of the faction leaders can take 2 hits.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:33 GMT
#1470
On May 26 2010 10:31 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2010 10:29 Fishball wrote:
We don't know about the YT leaders, but it is safe to assume the rest of the faction leaders can take 2 hits.


important thing to know is: it's two night hits. LR died in one lynch.


Lynches in Mafia games, was never considered to be a hit.
We can lynch everyone even if he had 10 billion lives.
At least that is the norm of the setting.

That why I think LR got confused there and posted his aftermath comment.
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May 26 2010 01:37 GMT
#1471
On May 26 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote:
SHIT, time is running out. As of now, I am killing Trezequet23. Should i make change or should I not?


I understand Radfield's reason for trying to take out Trezequet23 ASAP, but there are two things that you guys did not take account of. Let's just assume Trezequet23 is the YT leader for now.

1. What if he has 2 lives? Then you just wasted your one and only hit. While a lynch would guarantee his death.

2. What if the entire empire doesn't go down with him? This was the sole reason of using your hit over the lynch; To save time and use my lynch on someone else.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:40 GMT
#1473
On May 26 2010 10:32 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2010 10:29 DarthThienAn wrote:
On May 26 2010 10:22 Fishball wrote:
Basically what BM has been trying to pull off in the last few pages is quite amusing.
If BM really wants to die, we can have either LunarDestiny or BrownBear to take him out. But BM dying as a YT, doesn't proves his credibility much. He can very well be sacrificing and drawing fire to himself.

Trezequet23 has a very high chance of being an original YT. Tricode also claims that Trezequet23 has the ability to recruit. Unless Tricode switched sides, we should make our decisions based on the information provided by him. If Trezequet23 turns out to not be a leader, then we will have other things to worry about.

Also, I don't understand how Abenson got recruited as Shu, and how BM labeled him as Bodyguard. The picture doesn't add up here.

First off, none of the factions excluding YT, started off with a bodyguard. LR died by himself, L died with Hesmyrr which he recruited, so I have a hard time imagining Liu Bei would start with a Bodyguard.

Secondly, Abenson's role is Taishi Ci, a YT killer. This role, by all means doesn't look like a bodyguard in any shape or form, and Taisi Ci doesn't belong to Shu in the Three Kingdoms.

With BM just pushing his side of the story forward and Abenson laying low the majority of the time, this draws my attention.


Abenson's potential to be Shu comes from the fact that he posted "should I announce that I got recruited"? So he's either YT or Shu, considering he's not dead.


I'll hereby roleclaim neutral (at least I still think I'm neutral)
Assuming that I get informed when I get recruited, I'm neutral.


Wow, I want to slap you so hard beyond my wildest desires.
You just created shit for no reason, and let other people (BM) ride on your shit for a couple days.
Your un-claiming now, also creates shit.
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Fishball
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May 26 2010 01:42 GMT
#1476
On May 26 2010 10:38 LunarDestiny wrote:
Bah, so johnnyspazz...


You can think that over if need be. Just PM Caller to retract your action.

We still have 24 hours like I said, and you can use it anytime in between.
Going to take a shower and come back to review our potential targets.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 01:46 GMT
#1479
On May 26 2010 10:42 Abenson wrote:
I never said i'm not a YT killer, and I have never said i'm in a faction


I never said you were not a YT killer, and I never said you were in a faction.

The thing is, you said

On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote:
Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited?



You never clarified you were or weren't. BM then proceeded to stir up shit for a couple days, you still haven't replied.

You only replied after I singled out this weird situation BM made up, as it doesn't make sense.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 01:47 GMT
#1481
Right now, if I had a grenade, I would just tie BM, Abenson, Johnnyspazz, and Trez together and throw a grenade at them.

Just to watch them squeal for their lives and kaboom.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 02:11 GMT
#1485
No, I just hate dumb people in general.
You, Xelin, etc.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 02:26 GMT
#1487
So I thought about it in the shower. LunarDestiny should hit BM.

- He already confirmed himself as a YT.
- All the stuff he brought up is pretty much bullshit. (Read the last 5 pages, too much to reference) Either he is lying, or both him and Abenson are both lying.
- He says he will kill the killer if hit, and he will have oh-so-shiny real powers if lynch. I call this a HUGE bluff. If Trez is indeed the leader, there is a high probability for him to have 2 lives. BM knows a lynch will kill Trez, therefore tries to draws fire to himself instead and have a someone "hit" Trez. Trez will survive if he has 2 lives.

On May 26 2010 06:13 Bill Murray wrote:
can you read?

my real power is in relation to the day lynch
if you shan't lynch me i shan't use it
when you use it trez i will show you whats up
if you dayvig me i will kill the person attacking me


- If we kill BM and kill Trez, but Trez is not the leader OR Trez is the leader but the rest of the YT did not die alongside with him, it's still a good move, as we get 2 YT's.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 02:26 GMT
#1488
On May 26 2010 11:15 johnnyspazz wrote:
yeah i hate dumb people like you in general too
teehee


Mmm-Hmm.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 02:29 GMT
#1489
On May 26 2010 11:26 Fishball wrote:
So I thought about it in the shower. LunarDestiny should hit BM.

- He already confirmed himself as a YT.
- All the stuff he brought up is pretty much bullshit. (Read the last 5 pages, too much to reference) Either he is lying, or both him and Abenson are both lying.
- He says he will kill the killer if hit, and he will have oh-so-shiny real powers if lynch. I call this a HUGE bluff. If Trez is indeed the leader, there is a high probability for him to have 2 lives. BM knows a lynch will kill Trez, therefore tries to draws fire to himself instead and have a someone "hit" Trez. Trez will survive if he has 2 lives.

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On May 26 2010 06:13 Bill Murray wrote:
can you read?

my real power is in relation to the day lynch
if you shan't lynch me i shan't use it
when you use it trez i will show you whats up
if you dayvig me i will kill the person attacking me


- If we kill BM and kill Trez, but Trez is not the leader OR Trez is the leader but the rest of the YT did not die alongside with him, it's still a good move, as we get 2 YT's.


Edit: real powers in relations to a lynch
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 03:04 GMT
#1493
Here is an interesting statistic.
Players by faction.

1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - Other
2. Hesmyrr................Lu Xun - Wei
3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao - Wei
4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Shu
5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - Shu
6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - Shu
7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - Wei
8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Wei
9. L...........................Sun Quan - Wu
10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - Wu
11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Other
12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Shu
13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Shu
14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Wu
15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao - Shu
16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Wu
17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - Other
18. Barth.................Diao Chan - Other
19. Trezequet23........ Other - YT
20. Fishball............... Wei
21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Wei
22. Last Romantic....Cao Cao - Wei
23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Wu
24. Jugan.................Zhang Fei - Shu

So we have
- 7 Wei
- 7 Shu
- 5 Wu
- 5 Other (Including YT)

It would only make sense that Caller would try to equal up the characters in game from different factions. If this piece of information means anything, then we have too little Wu, or too many Wei and Shu characters. Keep in mind that the characters claimed so far, even if not double claimed, doesn't means its legit.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 03:18 GMT
#1494
Also keep in mind Liu Bei is not there. That makes a potential of 8 Shu characters, way too many.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 03:25 GMT
#1496
On May 26 2010 12:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Fishball, I don't like Lu Xun being a Wei.


My mistake on that one.

So we have
- 6 Wei
- 7(8?) Shu
- 6 Wu
- 5 Other (Including YT)
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 03:37 GMT
#1498
That's exactly what I have. I just have Wei as top, and you have Shu as top.
The brackets 8 for Shu is the number accounted for Liu Bei.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 14:01 GMT
#1535
On May 26 2010 18:59 XeliN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2010 11:11 Fishball wrote:
No, I just hate dumb people in general.
You, Xelin, etc.


Hey Dickhead stop being a crabby patch doll, like I said earlier if your gonna make accusations back them up otherwise your just a whiney QQ fagmatron.

+ Show Spoiler +
who takes copious ammounts of phallic vegetables in the pooper


You're not worth my time.
But ouch! That gotta hurt!
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 14:08 GMT
#1536
On May 26 2010 16:29 Bill Murray wrote:
post 10 = me explaining i'm not 100% sure I'm even YT, and I would want to see Trez die before me


This one specifically caught my eye - You would want to see Trez die before yourself.

So at first you asked people to kill you and hit Trez. According to your logic, both would still die, since Trez is not a leader.

Now we switch it up a bit; We hit you and lynch Trez. If your logic is correct, then the outcome shouldn't change and you would both die right? What are you squealing about?

Ohhh, I see why the 180° change of tone now.
What if Trez is actually the leader,and you just draw fire to kill yourself with no cause, as he will die with a lynch and you will get hit for nothing.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 26 2010 15:44 GMT
#1538
I'm not sure whether to take you serious or not since you were the one who PM'd me.
But its OK, you will always hold this special spot in my heart as ma biatch.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:34 GMT
#1562
If you, BrownBear, LunarDestiny and DarthThienAn all want me to announce my role, I will do so.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:35 GMT
#1563
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:42 GMT
#1571
On May 27 2010 10:39 Radfield wrote:
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On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say.



Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on.

As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious.

So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any.


No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:43 GMT
#1573
I am Dian Wei. Bodyguard, protect Night Hits.
I do NOT have Day Kill abilities like Xu Zhu.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:56 GMT
#1585
On May 27 2010 10:43 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 10:42 Fishball wrote:
On May 27 2010 10:39 Radfield wrote:
On May 27 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Also, if none of my actions thus far cannot convince you that I am NOT Liu Bei, then I've got no more to say.



Hit me with a breakdown of your actions. This thread has been real drawn out and i forget alot of what has gone on.

As far as I know, you pushed hard to lynch Trez yesterday. This doesn't count against being the green leader, because of course the green leader would also push hard for lynching trez yesterday. In fact, everyone was and should have been pushing to lynch trez yesterday. It was obvious.

So what other actions make you not a leader? I'm not trying to be snarky here, I just can't think of any.


No way I'm spending 2 hours to search and quote what I did this entire game. This is entirely up to you.



Don't search or quote anything. I'll do the fact checking. You just tell me in your own words what you've done.


You expect me to remember every single argument I made or every move I made? No.

All I can tell you right off my head is, pretty much everything I've pushed for, or argued against, are all logical, at least to me.

How about that one post where I said I'm not Meng Huo? I made a bunch of arguments there. I was the only person who asked Tricode to check me the other day, but instead, Abenson visited me. I was already brought up as suspicious with the dual claim incidents. Do you think I would make a bluff move to suggest that? Maybe, but not likely.

How about you point out the questions and I answer them instead.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 01:59 GMT
#1586
On May 27 2010 10:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
Question to everyone:

How did barth die night 1?

Brownbear didn't do it, which means we have another vigilante or something. It wasn't Radfield's random power either because he got YT killer and got roleblocked anyway. So what happened there? Second vig, please RC if you are alive.

BC, do you know what Jugan's role was?


I vaguely remember there was another claim that said he had killing power.
Johnnyspazz or something?

I hardly remember who claimed what power.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 03:05 GMT
#1606
Announcement, Shu concedes.
BC is Liu Bei.
I am, well, Dian Wei like I said.

After some back and forth PM's between BC and Caller, we decided to wait till 12:00 KST and call the game. I consider this as a victory for Shu already, so we have no regrets. I foresaw this situation days ago, and the answers Caller gave us seals our decision. GG.

I'll post more after people have chipped in and acknowledged the situation.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 03:17 GMT
#1610
Just in case if people were wonder what my "real" role abilities are.

You are Dian Wei, the Stalwart Defender! Your faction leader cannot lose night lives or die until you are dead.

We confirmed with Caller. As long as I'm alive, my leader cannot be Day hit, Night Hit, Lynched, etc.. He flat out cannot die if I'm alive.

My motives of not being wanted to be recruited (by others) is sincere.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 03:18 GMT
#1612
On May 27 2010 12:15 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 11:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
I still can't believe BC who claims Huang Gai can kill Zhang Fei. 81 is no where near 97.
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Except that's a picture oh Huang Zhong, not Huang Gai.


No, that is Huang Gai. The name in Chinese says it.
They just have similar avatars, as they are both old...
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 03:47 GMT
#1623
On May 27 2010 12:23 Iaaan wrote:
well, gg.

You were very vocal this game Fishball (: Never seen you post so much before.


Because this isn't a Mafia game. There are no "bad guys"; You don't die for speaking up, especially not when your shit actually makes some sense.

I actually wasn't going to join this game in the first place. I already played a few games in a row, and the last game I played, I was totally out of it. I was planning to take at least a 6 months break or so. However Three Kingdoms does have a special place in my heart, and when I saw LR signed up, I signed up too.

Then I found out about this 1v1v1v1 no-loyalty-whatsoever BS. I regretted. I fished BC on MSN the first day and found out he was Liu Bei (Long story). I told him my role and said if he doesn't recruit me, then I would really have no goal or motivation to play the game. This was prior the neutral victory idea was brought up.

I don't want to flash back too much in detail right now, so I'll just talk about some key moments/issues. Early on, you guys will remember me questioning about the players "loyalty". Radfield will remember me pointing out that players recruited does not necessarily have to stay loyal to his leader. This is a HUGE issue. Caller later told us, even if players are recruited by a faction, the player can still use their power on their own faction. Let's say if we recruit BrownBear, he can still kill us anytime he wants. Keep in mind this is not Mafia, we don't have any KP at all. There is no way for us to get rid of any players.

We asked Caller whether we would win if we eliminated YT, as Shu would be the remaining faction. His answer was no, as he counted neutrals as a faction (Different from the original rule). When Caller made the neutral a "faction", all the leaders were already at a huge disadvantage.
Dissapointed, but to be expected.

Basically the only way for Shu to win at this point, is to keep recruiting, and hopefully survive the next 8 or more cycles. Fat chance.

Side note, BC was afk the majority of the time. His visitor pisses me off. He also fucked up the roleclaim. That's not what I told him to say, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 03:50 GMT
#1624
Oh, and really, lol + WTF + !@#$ to BM.

His shit, from start, to the end, never made any sense.
He contradicted himself like a hundred times, as if he just posts whatever drops out of his ass at the time.
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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 27 2010 18:40 GMT
#1665
On May 27 2010 21:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.

Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.

My theorycraft best plan for the what leaders should have done

1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.

2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.

3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.

BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune.


You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public.

As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah.

Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense.
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Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 23:12:22
May 27 2010 23:05 GMT
#1673
On May 28 2010 04:58 DarthThienAn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote:
On May 27 2010 21:52 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think it was all about charisma and public conception; I still recall how most people were skeptical of my plan until Lost Romantic and L was caught consecutively. If that had not happened I don't think enough people would have got behind the plan for neutral victory to work. Honestly most people came into this game expecting faction fight, so turning people against it initially was the hardest task- which is why I over-villainized faction leaders day 1 immediately after Caller threw out some fuel to work with. After THAT post no one was going to openly support the idea of faction fight (even neutrals since their primary goal is to survive, which is not going against town's consensus naturally does. And no leader would have recruited the neutral who planted target on himself.) I would have immediately taken the risk, reveal myself to the first recruit (mouthpiece was necessary to organize future recruits after all) and appease him/her as best as I can lol.

Yellow Turban, because its members could not be recruited, was closest to the actual cult and could have been very powerful had not Trezquet23 drew so much suspicion to himself. If you knew you were going to get checked I would definitely have sent him PM in advance that I was recruiting him. 'Appease' is key word here- when idea of neutral victory got dominant the power balance between recruiter and neutrals got reversed. There seem to be plenty of opinions who said this was not the game was meant to be played so if you were nice about it, I think people would have been acceptable. Hell, L even said "lol your plan sucks b/c this" and I still tried my hardest to save him before giving up for moral victory. I am especially curious after knowing Fishball's ability why he gave up- Fishball was seen as pro-town by day 2~3, so if he worked to keep people away from suspecting his true ability, BC could potentially have lived just enough to make it.

My theorycraft best plan for the what leaders should have done

1) Have the recruited members contact me or L. Set up an alliance whose conduit will be recruited members so that faction leaders identity can necessarily be kept secret. I had idea about using anonymous quickboard.

2) Role-claim wisely. I did it several times as Mafia and it isn't that hard -_- Almost all leaders got caught because of that. Fishball also needed to fake-role/nameclaim so BC's strength became that much stronger.

3) BC publicly claims himself as faction leader, or deliberately give off an "scumslip". Use all three faction members to spread ideas that BC must be lynched.

BC survives. 3 people recruited night 2, L is protected (by me) and BC is immune.


You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public.

As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah.

Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense.


I think you guys could have won.. all you to do was recruit me and/or BrownBear, and then Radfield and tell us. I would have switched loyalty immediately - dunno about BrownBear - and could easily have said, "oh Fishball is neutral".

It might have been tough if Falcynn came back and started being active and watched the right people. You had to get BrownBear after me though for the KP - he might have been a sacrificial lamb at some point, but there was no way you would get him with a day lynch, until you guys were dominating.

If you didn't recruit me or BB that night it would have been a toss-up, because, if the town agreed to kill BC and check you (Fishball), then BB and I were planning or switching anyway lol. So BC would have been dead the next day.


Your ideas are based on the assumption that we know for sure you will remain loyal to us. Given the two live examples in game, I don't think we'll ever even bother to take the chance and waste more time. Even if you publicly announce "I will remain loyal to whoever recruits me", we still wouldn't budge, as there is literally nothing to backup your statement.

The only way we'll be willing to try, is if the rules are set for your to remain loyal. You remember at the very beginning when I questioned the rules regarding this? That was before I was Shu, when I was still neutral. I was simply questioning the flaws of the rules at that time, and it was the exact same flaw that hit us at the end.

Also, I don't quite get this.

On May 28 2010 04:58 DarthThienAn wrote:
If you didn't recruit me or BB that night it would have been a toss-up, because, if the town agreed to kill BC and check you (Fishball), then BB and I were planning or switching anyway lol. So BC would have been dead the next day.


What do you mean BC would have been dead the next day? BC can't die even if a nuclear bomb went off. As long as I'm alive, he lives, because I am

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