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And yea, shouldn't we be voting in that pretty thread ? | ||
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On May 18 2010 17:00 BrownBear wrote: Uhh... did you not read his post? He's specifically stating that he's glad he DOESN'T have to worry about people yelling "MAFIA" because there are no mafia in this game, and he knows there are 4 factions. Perhaps you should read peoples' posts before you flame them. or perhaps you shouldn't because trolling and flaming are highly encouraged. =D | ||
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On May 19 2010 05:58 Hesmyrr wrote: ...:O I didn't even realize the PM advantage YT had. Also, Caller, seriously? I won't even know what I am? Everyone can PM, mirite? On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, guys. This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech. I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose... NEUTRAL REVOLUTION Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed: You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see? I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies. Let me stress that. OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING. This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!? There's no "town" win condition is there? @Caller? I mean, it would have to be after a certain number of deaths, since the "town" technically has a majority now. Or is it if all the factions are killed? | ||
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On May 20 2010 07:21 Radfield wrote: Over analyzing with little to no info is the only way to go  As far as I'm concerned, it's between Last Romantic, Myheronoob and yourself, with DarthTheinAn running a slightly distant fourth. The more you post, the less likely to die you are. Darth, you talked all about how you weren't going to lurk in games anymore, yet here you are, lurking again . What can I say, the overmind told me to burrow. On another note, War3 custom campaigns > day 1 mafia ^^ On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote: Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused. If you're talking about how the "lyncher" needs more armies than that faction has members, well... Radfield had lots of armies and decided to attack you. | ||
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On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote: Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused. Also, if you've played TL mafia before (which I think you have, since you're not new right?), you'll notice a common trend of lynches leaning toward the inactive people... until a certain point ie. day 2/3, it's really about post count and length ^^. Then again, I've only played two games, so what do I know. I'm also contradicting myself since, assuming I had this above knowledge, I should have been posting. Anyway, basically, anyone who has posted | ||
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** Anyway, basically, anyone who has posted "too much" is either spammy, or someone who cares... my attitude in the first day was uhh, I have no goal in this game because Caller made a weird style mafia game, so I have nothing really to gain from posting, unless I'm baiting people to find out more about them, etc. etc... | ||
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On May 20 2010 13:38 johnnyspazz wrote: so wtf does this mean blue can somehow be resurrected? lol it seems obvious to me that veterans will most likely be drafted into the factions i would pay attention to BC,L,OPZ,Fishball,JeeJee i think those are the only veterans also i knew i could trust radfield to make the right hit for the "town." JeeJee ain't playing yo. also.. the notion of a "town" ..........zzzz. just saying, you're more likely to be converted than stay town throughout the course of this game. | ||
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On May 21 2010 19:09 Radfield wrote: Agreed, this sounds much more like a role check. I imagine an alignment check would simply come back as blue/red/yellow/etc. Given that it's a role check, it would be unlikely for it to not be accurate. I'm not even sure how an insane dt would work in this format, I mean, there's no bad guys or good guys really. Insane dt's work in normal mafia because everything is clear cut. Tricode maybe you could tell us your characters name, and we could run it through the LunarDestiny ROTK machine to see if there's any lore reasons you might not get an accurate result. Currently I believe Tricode about his role check, and I think L is a likely faction leader. It's possible L is telling the truth though, as it would make sense for the YT's to sacrifice a member to kill off a faction leader. That would be an excellent trade for them. So if we imagine that Tricode is a YT, where does that get us. Well, for starters the YT's would have to KNOW L is the faction leader before they decide to sac a player to kill him. It makes no sense to try and kill L unless you suspect him of being a leader. So this means the YT's must have used some KP last night(or a role check, in which case Tricode is telling the truth anyways) to try and kill L, only to have it not go through, therefore they would claim that L is a faction leader, given that it's basically been confirmed faction leaders have veteran abilities. Only, L is just a regular townie, and happened to be saved by a medic, which threw off the YT calculations. This is basically what L is saying happened. As far as I'm concerned, the simple way to clear this up is to have the medic role claim. I don't understand why people think that roleclaiming medic would suddenly make you a target? There's no mafia here. A medic absolutely doesn't threaten the faction leaders one bit, and doesn't threaten the townies. Why would anyone waste kp on a medic? If anything, it makes you slightly more likely to be recruited is all. So I'll be voting Tricode for now, unless a medic pops up and verifies what L has said. Of course it's possibly that L is a faction leader that had both a medic and vig/assassin target him last night, but oh well. Basically, as a neutral townie(hell, any alignment), I don't really care who flops what. But this will give us some interesting info at the very least. Also Tricode, even if you're telling the truth and L flops leader, it doesn't make you any more trustworthy as the game progresses, because you could be recruited at any time. In fact you would likely be recruited YT with powers such as yours. I'd like Tricode to offer some evidence, other than "HEY GUYS L IS FACTION LEADER". Also, a role DT? I guess that could be in this game... | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:19 Radfield wrote: Actually, everyone claiming their names is kind of a good idea. It gives no info as to roles, or hardly any, and yet is just as good at finding the leaders. All upside, no downside Anyone have any misgivings about everyone claiming their character name, yet not their role?? I am Zhuge Liang baby, me and u should be togetherrr. On May 22 2010 06:57 BrownBear wrote: Well, since everyone else has namedropped in the past several pages, I might as well namedrop myself: I am Zhao Yun. I have the power of nightkill ^^ So with all the people who have roleclaimed, I think rather than looking at the people who have roleclaimed and analyzing to see if they're lying, it would be far more interesting to look at the people who HAVEN'T yet roleclaimed. They are: 1. Bill Murray 3. johnnyspazz 4. Radfield 5. Scamp 6. Ohn 7. Falcynn 8. Iaaan 9. L (states he has reasons for not doing so, since his role is a "poison pill") 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 15. TwotoneTerran 19. Trezequet23 20. Fishball (pretty sure the Qin Shi Huang roleclaim was a joke  )21. Lunardestiny 23. DarthThienAn 24. Jugan This is a (mostly accurate) list of the people who are still alive and have yet to roleclaim. It's far more likely that at least 1 or 2 of the faction leaders are hiding in the majority of people who don't roleclaim, rather than trying to lie and make up both a name, a role for that name, and reasoning behind that role. Honestly? I think at this point in the game, it would be a good idea to have everyone roleclaim, complete with their name. Then, we can focus on the people who either refuse to roleclaim, or make roleclaims that don't really make sense. Also, L, I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but especially with XeliN having claimed a role, that's putting you kinda back in the spotlight. It would be great if you could explain somehow either why your role would be useless if everyone knew about it, or if you could just roleclaim. If I win the dayvote, I will be sure to follow the will of the town, but the will of the town might be falling against you if you continue to be coy with your role. me some cute kid, can kill u all, kk? On May 22 2010 04:29 LunarDestiny wrote: Ok Lu Meng, here goes. Lu Meng started as a uneducated general serving Wu (吳下阿蒙). After Zhou Yu's death, Wu was short in tacticians. Sun Quan told Lu Meng and a less important general Jiang Qin to study literature. After 3 days, they both became very intelligent (士别三日, 刮目相看). Lu Meng is famous for the death of Guan Yu. What happened was, Lu Meng faked sickness and sent a message to Guan Yu. Guan Yu got little bit over confident thinking that Wu would not attack him since Lu Meng is sick. Guan Yu then goes on attacking Wei's city guarded by Cao Ren and kicking Cao Ren's ass badly. Lu Meng, with a huge army, shows up surprising Guan Yu. Now Guan Yu is trapped in between Cao Ren and Lu Meng. What worse is that Lu Meng brought family members of Guan Yu's solders which made many Guan Yu's soldiers and two generals (Mi Fang and Fu Shi Ren defected. Guan Yu, ultimately ran out of food supply and surrendered. Guan Yu refused to surrender and was killed. Lu Meng also died shortly after (within a year I think). From all this, Lu Meng could be an insane dt since he is stupid in his early days. And I have to point out that Lu Meng lied to Guan Yu which caused Guan Yu's death. i approve of this message. On May 22 2010 04:43 Hesmyrr wrote: It is watcher. In my original post it is stated tracker watched Radfield and see Xelin visit him, which doesn't really make sense. I'll tell him about it. If he is following the thread, he was probably going to do so anyway. can you clarify on what the watcher does? he watches A and sees person(s) b, c, d, etc. visit, gets those names back? | ||
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On May 22 2010 03:50 Tricode wrote: No, i know one of us is full of shit and my claim L is. If you go back and reread the thread carefully you will understand what I'm talking about. 2nd, my ability doesn't state anything about being insane or such. L is just making that shit up to confuse people. Look for the final time, it was not stated that there is a sanity part in my role. So Logic dictates that I'm a regular DT. Otherwise if there was a sanity factor Logic would dictate in some way or form I should be told or otherwise all DT's are useless in this game and pointless. Now I want someone to even try to destroy the logic. It's fucking mathematical black and white. Caller heeds not to your logic. imo. On May 22 2010 02:29 LunarDestiny wrote: As it now stands, the only other person who voted for L except L himself is DarthThienAn. DarthThienAn, can you explain why you vote for L? i do what i want. sup. | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuge_Liang http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Chu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Yun http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Sun That's all I gots yo. | ||
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SPOILER + Show Spoiler + L IS A GIRL!!!! | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:04 L wrote: I know, that's why I bitched out caller for giving me this shit. lololol =p. caller so bm. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote: so im supposed to say my character name? yea. let me know who you is so that i can tell you wat to do | ||
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周杰伦 kk. my role is to make great music and entertain you all with my awesome piano skills. | ||
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why can't we all just be friends? | ||
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On May 22 2010 03:44 Hesmyrr wrote: I am Lu Xun. I can protect one person from night actions from every night. I asked Caller, and he said my protection overrides everything, including recruitment/NK/investigation etc. I said encryption codes to ~Opz~ day 1 so you can feel pretty confident in my roleclaim (I did leave out NK bit, but we traded names and I was afraid Lu Bu was serial killer. Tricode did fix himself to being an DT so I suppose it won't matter). I am obviously speaking up because I protected L last night, and thus know what Tricode is saying cannot be true. It is likely that he is Yellow Turban and is trying to waste today's kill. Either way it is clear to me neither of these two cannot be Yellow Turban leader. This is why I propose an alternative plan; Tracker contacted me via PM and stated Radfield was visited by Xelin. He is kind of lurkish and kind of off everyone's radar, but I believe we have better chance of hitting faction leader by targetting Xelin instead of either Tricode or L. This is my plan: we pick one Townie other than me, L, or Tricode, and tell him to NK Xelin. At the upcoming night we can clarify this Tricode-L situation by having Abenson target Tricode- this will definiely prove he is YT. If Tricode does not die, then I'll accept he is genuine in his claim and I fucked up somewhere (lol Caller), and just lynch him day 3. Rereading the thread... Question: You protected L, right? Protects him from everything... including Abenson's attempted hit on him, yea? Talking about this: On May 21 2010 22:19 Abenson wrote: First of all, I would like to point out that L is not yellow Why? I am Taishi Ci, a Yellow Turban killer. I have the ability to visit a person each night, and if he's yellow, he dies. I visited L, and he didn't die. I still believe he's a faction leader, but I want to confirm he's not yellow. Therefore, L is not necessarily cleared. But, Tricode is still lying. soo. yeah, just keep this in mind. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:46 Trezeguet23 wrote: I am Cao Pi son of Cao Cao. I kill a leader other than cao cao if they attempt to recruit me. I was told who LR was before the game and he knew who I was, but I was not yet a part of the clan. But on the 4th night I would be recruited automatically, even if I was YT. That was supposed to be the blue advantage I think. Facepalm. Name, not role >> would've been a really good role to (luckily) kill FLs. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:55 Hesmyrr wrote: SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT!! Caller Screws Up Again! (really) Watcher just contacted me. He said that Caller just messaged him, telling him he screwed up and forgot to tell him until now that DarthThienan also visited Radfield along with Xelin. Exactly 25 minutes ago DarthThienAn actually PM'd me asking "who visited radfield?" so I think his statement is legit. Looks like L wasn't the only one who was popular last night >.> Yepyep. Called caller out on it assumed he would let you guys know. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:59 BrownBear wrote: Oh snap. What does this say about DarthThienAn, now? He was the only person who voted for L during the earlier "hey let's kill L cause Tricode rolechecked him" bandwagon before that one got blown to shit. See, I knew that Radfield would get visited a bunch after being so successful on day one. Called it. Fucking called it ^^ easy. I thought Tricode was bs. so I voted for L = not vote for Tricode. On May 22 2010 09:09 Tricode wrote: Listen, you don't have to be an asshole about it. If you plan to do my plan kill L for the lynch, by all means do so you can even have my vote. Hell I would encourage everyone to vote for you just so you can prove my innocence. Though when you lynch L and he is a Faction leader and/or/if i die and prove to be DT. I would appreciate you not being an ass to me cause I won't be an ass to you. Same goes with the rest of you. I have done nothing to offend you by silly name calling or calling you any names. I think I have been respectful other then calling out L's lie cause well that's part of the game lying. So by tomorrow if you have most of the votes then you get mine as long as you can keep the promise of killing L and/ or come up with a plan that makes the town happy that involves L's lynch first to guarantee L's death cause he has 2 night hits. If you do stick to your word thank you for that much. I don't get why you're offended? nothing in that quote was even target at you.. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:09 Hesmyrr wrote: But Tricode is likely to be YT member, not YT recruiter- moreover Abenson is going to take care of him in the first place. I brought this up exactly because I didn't want to waste a lynch. And though putting YT in status quo does sound better, we should take a risk and hit suspects such as Xelin (unless no roleblocker counter claims?) or DarthThienAn. How am I a suspect? The fact that I PMed Caller about his mistake should be enough to say that, I don't mind being "caught" visiting Radfield. Anyways, Radfield can vouch for me - I claimed to him, and we figured out Caller's mistake. Why would I do that if I was a FL? Pretty obvious disadvantage if I was, especially since people were hardly even looking at me. The reason why we would lynch Tricode, if any, is that Hesmyrr claims to have protected L last night, but Tricode claims that he got a positive read on L. One of those two is lying, and based on the watcher information (Xelin and I are confirming that it is correct), Hesmyrr is more trustworty. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:14 Hesmyrr wrote: Also DarthThienAn, can I ask clarification on your role since it turned out you visited Radfield? Is it some kind of masonic ability where you can get your role mod-confirmed? say what? On May 22 2010 09:15 LunarDestiny wrote: DarthThienAn, from what information you have that you know Tricode is bsing when he first claim L as a faction leader? at the time, it was suspicious to me. later on, my thinking/reasoning was wrong, but turns out he actually IS lying. Relevant information: I visited Radfield last night. I wanted to confirm whether or not the watcher was telling the truth because logically, he should have known that I visited Radfield last night too. So I PMed Caller asking if he messed up, which he did, which has resulted in this. @Tricode: If we lynch, it kills whoever. Even FL have 2 "night" lives, I think they still die completely form a lynch. P.S. I love LD. He spells my name right and everything. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:16 Tricode wrote: Being told to shut the fuck up and having no one even listening to me is what I'm not happy about. I have already had a few people make the claim that they will stop reading my posts which is unfair and stupid in my opinion. I should be looked at to clear my name and point out my reasons and logic with out people thinking I'm a dumb ass. I think the appropriate thing should be to look at L's and my Death before making such comments as "I'm not looking at Tricode's posts anymore" (BM) and being told to shut the fuck up and being told I'll e ignored. Though maybe I'm just flustered cause I know i'm innocent and what info i got on L. I should really just trust in the town to make the right choice. Unless you're talking about a PM, I still don't see anything that would offend you. It'd be better if you quoted a post that actually bmed you, rather than quoting a post that has nothing to do with what you're saying. Furthermore, "flaming and trolling" are encouraged in this game. You should have read the rules. You should be open to these things, and not get offended. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:23 Tricode wrote: Yeah I know it is encouraged. Doesn't mean i can't speak against it? Or are yous saying I can't do that? If i am asking a player to show me the same respect and it works why not? I still don't see where you got flamed or trolled. Link me? | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:22 LunarDestiny wrote: LOL Hesmyrr, DarthThienAn just called you trustworthy and now you against him. Nothing against you, but DarthThienAn trolled us about his role a page ago and still refuse to tell us his character name (or did he already and I missed it) I told you, I'm Zhou Jie Lun. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:26 LunarDestiny wrote: FUCK YOU MAN. Stop trolling about that damn chinese/taiwan singer. Give us your real character name or just say you don't want to. kk. My name is Xiao Yu. | ||
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a) I don't think Hesmyrr is lying about protecting L, because his watcher information is correct b) Tricode claims to have rolechecked L last night, and got "leader" back as a result. The two are incompatible because, Hesmyrr's protecting nullifies any night actions on L. Thus, a rolecheck would return nothing (in theory). Therefore (I'm trusting Hesmyrr), Tricode is lying. Tricode, what do you think? | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:29 LunarDestiny wrote: Your refusal to cooperate is making you very suspicious. I'm just a kid who likes to have fun. kekeke. Don't take it wrongly D: I'll claim if I need to ^^. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:30 Falcynn wrote: oh, ninja'd, ignore my last post then. Jay Chou da bomb man, I wouldn't be surprised. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:31 LunarDestiny wrote: No Falcynn. Now DarthTheinAn is claiming to be another damn chinese actor. ACTOR AND SINGER. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:31 L wrote: Wait, what? Factions can come back from death even if we kill their leader? How the fuck is a neutral victory even remotely possible if factions start reforming around day 3-4? This is fucking horrendous. I think that was a theory based on the story... dunno if it's actually true. | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:33 Falcynn wrote: oh, damn it. I'm not familiar with RTK or Chinese celebrities. yea, I mean, the DramaWiki that popped up as the first link said both. I was referring to a singer though. dunno if they are the same or not. i dont care XD. i just listen to the music. | ||
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There's nothing wrong with trolling. Is it really that important that I claim? =] | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:09 Falcynn wrote: After bs'ing everyone for the last few pages, yes, it'd clear up a lot. I mean, what is there to clear up, besides my name? Relevant to the current situation, it doesn't really do anything, unless for some reason you don't trust my thought process on Tricode/Hesmyrr/watcher, which is silly. I just don't want to claim unless it will actually help. And I suppose a nameclaim is fine, but I mean, really, names are useless unless you know/figure out the role that goes with it, or unless it's a leader. | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:15 Fishball wrote: Sun Xiang Shang is the most used name. I vouch with my life, just saying. It don't matter =p. They all the same chick, and that chick is Lololololol. | ||
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Fishball is Sima Yi iirc. | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:26 Falcynn wrote: I claimed Sima Yi Although I guess it'd be easy to confuse us since we have the same unit icon and our names both start with F.o lol. you right. | ||
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I'm Ma Chao. sup yo. | ||
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But I still want Tricode to explain to me how he got a rolecheck when he should have been blocked from it. Caller? | ||
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"If you kill L, you win" lolol. jk of course. | ||
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On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: If you are Ma Chao, what's your power? Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is. Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao. Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of. At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying. Yeah I was just fishing ^^. | ||
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hmm? | ||
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On May 22 2010 13:23 Tricode wrote: I guess the town wants you to hit me? Though let them confirm that. Can you restate your abilities again please. He can kill YT's. And I think yea, the consensus was to hit Tricode, Abenson. | ||
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On May 22 2010 18:25 LunarDestiny wrote: Updating the chart made by Radfield: OK, people who haven't name claimed: 6. Ohn 8. Iaaan 11. MyHeroNoob 24. Jugan Contradictions: 1)Fishball claims Meng Huo (p.47) HyHeroNoob claims Meng Huo (p.50) 2)DarthTheinAn claims Ma Chao after five page of trolling us (p.47) TwoToneTerran claims Ma Chao (p.49) DarthTheinAn responds that he was fishing(p.49) To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D. I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. kk, nuff said. @MyHeroNoob: uhh. he's either retarded or... well, he can explain his reasoning to us. | ||
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He looks at a leader and goes, "bye." | ||
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2. Hesmyrr Action Blocker Lu Xun 3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao 4. Radfield Zhuge Liang 5. Scamp Guan Yu 6. Ohn 7. Falcynn Sima Yi 8. Iaaan Successor if Recruited Cao Pi 10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai 11. MyHeroNoob Able to desert Meng Huo [/b] 12. Xelin Roleblocking Jian Wei 13. BrownBear Vigilante Zhao Yun 14. Tricode Role Cop Lu Meng 15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao 16. Abenson YT Killer Taishi Ci 17. ~Opz~ No Role Lu Bu 19. Trezequet23 Kills any leader who tries to recruit him Cao Pi 20. Fishball Able to desert Meng Huo AND Qin Shi Huang 21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu 23. DarthThienAn zhou yu 24. Jugan Zhang Fei Let's hope this works. | ||
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On May 23 2010 20:19 Scamp wrote: Oh yeah let's not suspect Darth for having a failsafe to a plan that had no point. And if that weren't enough, he decided to leave clues as another failsafe, y'know, in case the first failsafe failed. So what was gained for bringing out Ma Chao? Nothing as far as I can tell. I can't figure out what his deal is. I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town. | ||
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3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao - 4. Radfield Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp Guan Yu - 6. Ohn ??? 7. Falcynn Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited 10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai - 11. MyHeroNoob Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear Zhao Yun - Vigilante 14. Tricode Lu Meng - Role Cop 15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao 16. Abenson Taishi Ci - Kills YTs 17. ~Opz~ Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 19. Trezequet23 Cao Pi - kills leaders who recruit him 20. Fishball Meng Huo/Qin Shi Huang - Able to desert 21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu - 23. DarthThienAn Zhuo Yu - 24. Jugan Zhang Fei - (Hesmyrr and L projected to die when Caller posts) (Contradictions italicized) | ||
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3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao - 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp.................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn.....................??? 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante 14. Tricode...............Lu Meng - Role Cop 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 19. Trezequet23........Cao Pi - kills leaders who recruit him 20. Fishball...............Meng Huo/Qin Shi Huang - Able to desert 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - 24. Jugan.................Zhang Fei - (Hesmyrr and L projected to die when Caller posts) (Contradictions italicized) ebwop: lol misspelled my own name.& gotta love whitespace formatting. | ||
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On May 23 2010 21:30 Fishball wrote: Are you guys seriously keeping Qin Shi Huang on the list? I'm in total awe. Dunno, Radfield kept it on, although I was 99% convinced it was a joke. | ||
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On May 23 2010 22:02 Scamp wrote: Honestly, I really don't care about your defense. I'm more concerned why Radfield doesn't find you suspicious. But hey, since you're kind enough to reply, let's stick with you. There still is no point to what you did. We didn't need names, since they were coming along just fine. Even now, we will learn Ohn's name very fast when we kill him. Ma Chao was also very likely NOT to be in the game. If no one claimed Ma Chao were you just going to speak up and say "I was just funnin'. I'm really Zhou Yu." Pretty doubtful IMO. And if you're drawing out names, there were far more likely names to go with other than Ma Chao. Basically, there's no reason in what you did. Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. He's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tiger_Generals with two others in the game (three now), which makes 4/5. He's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_the_Dragon which I based on Caller's picture in the OP ^^ Again, I know nothing about Three Kingdoms except for what I've read on Wiki... what exactly are these "far more likely names" other than the obvious leaders? | ||
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Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. You're just trying to make it seem like some elaborate scheme of mine to trick everyone? And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling. | ||
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On May 23 2010 22:15 Scamp wrote: Pretty much anyone who claimed after you did is more obvious. Huang Gai. Zhang Liao. ZHANG MUTHERFUCKIN' FEI??? I don't include Meng Huo. Yeah I think there's some elaborate scheming going on. The reason in what you did is NOT simple and obvious, otherwise I would understand why you felt you needed to do that. Since you won't explain such a simple and obvious thing....I don't think it is. Basically I think I will look up Ma Chao and figure out why anyone would want to know who he is. I also think that anyone that can prevent TwoToneTerran from being recruited should do so. Stupid useless TTT. Protect him. Bleh. I thought about Zhang Fei... but the wiki article on him isnt as directly related to Three Kingdoms... or at least the sections aren't as nice =D Who are Huang Gai and Zhang Liao? lol. And Meng Huo? Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too. glhf, man. Let me know what you come up with... reading characters' info has really told me nothing about their roles, just history. -_- | ||
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On May 23 2010 22:33 Scamp wrote: Who knows? Maybe you or someone you know wants to recruit Ma Chao for some reason. It could be in your role PM for all I know. Find Ma Chao and this will happen... Your thought process is still silly and unnecessary. Hey, the town supports a mass nameclaim, there's only about seven or so people left who haven't nameclaimed....so let's bait someone into nameclaiming! The point: Lulz! AGAIN, DON'T LET ANYTHING FUCKING HAPPEN TO TwotoneTerran! And don't ask me who those people are. Look them up in the wiki. I'm surprised you haven't done that already, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN READING CHARACTERS' INFO. By all means, keep thinking like that. All Wikipedia offers is history, and plot. It hardly describes their characters. And I hardly pay attention to the details that it offers, since they are unrelated to this game. I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms." And by all means, waste your time protecting TwoToneTerran, the lurker who disappeared for three days, came back to say "I am Ma Chao," posted a couple more times, and disappeared yet again without contributing while being quite active in other forums. Waste your time trying to figure out my "hidden intentions" rather than deal with concrete things. Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this? | ||
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On May 23 2010 23:47 Scamp wrote: By all means, Darth, keep pretending like you had a good reason, or even ANY reason to do what you did. By all means, Darth, keep using wiki as a basis for name-hunting, and then downplaying the use of it at all. Wiki does describe all the characters, BTW. By all means, keep pretending like you're doing something useful for the town. Something stinks about your play. I have given you countless chances to provide any reasoning and you've come up with nothing. Radfield also needs to answer as well. Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. Wiki describes them, but not in any way relevant to this game.. perhaps you could give an example if you feel differently? When I read people's characters bios, I could not see the relation to their roles, which made me conclude that Caller just randomized names + roles. "Something stinks about your play." ok. I'm playing for the town or "neutral". Can you smell it? How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it. | ||
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On May 24 2010 00:15 Hesmyrr wrote: I'm not dead yet O.O @Abenson You should pick one of the people which contradicts each other, or at least follow the town concensus. No individual - besides me and L rofl - is not guaranteed to not manipulate you by his or her suggestions. yeah, but I think technically L is supposed to be dead - Radfield was under the assumption that you were dying as a result of that, not sure what Caller's doing -_-. @Abenson Maybe try to hit Fishball / MyHeroNoob? Resolve that since Tricode's got Trez. | ||
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On May 24 2010 03:04 Hesmyrr wrote: While the town was being distracted by his confession, Lu Xun led his private army forward, meeting Caller's armies in upper realm and crushing it with superior tactics. Caller is put to the sword and Lu Xun takes over as new mod to rule over all... for now. lol. +1. | ||
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On May 24 2010 06:24 Scamp wrote: I could give an example if I could actually confirm what anyone does. As for your reason, I must have missed it. What was it? To bait someone into nameclaiming. Also, Caller... that was the lamest day post ever for waiting more than half the night -___-. Hesmyrr didn't die? Sweeettt. | ||
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On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote: Ok, got some free time now so here it goes. I am not Meng Huo. I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited. Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did). Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following. My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not. ---------- I am not a leader or recruiter. When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim). BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't. LunarDestiny had a good read here. ---------- As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough. Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now. In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me. Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT. Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows. Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly. Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims. Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. Do you agree with me? We've done incredibly well to kill 2 leaders in two days, although we lost Hesmyrr. Now, however, the rate of recruitment is half of what it could have been in the beginning - and like Caller said, we're in a great position to win as neutral. | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote: before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away, I'm Ma Chao. sup yo. On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: If you are Ma Chao, what's your power? Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is. Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao. Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of. At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying. On May 22 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote: It's uhh, it's good that you came out of lurking though. So quick, too. Why the lurking, and then suddenly being active at the right time to see my claim after 3-4 days or not posting? hmm? On May 22 2010 15:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, I wasn't lurking? I had just caught up on the thread since my last few posts when we were arguing who to give our armies too. I saw your post and obviously that's my #1 reaction. But you admit to lying and fishing roles. Not comfortable with that. On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote: To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D. I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. kk, nuff said. @MyHeroNoob: uhh. he's either retarded or... well, he can explain his reasoning to us. + Show Spoiler [TTT's last post] + On May 23 2010 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim. + Show Spoiler [Radfield's] + On May 23 2010 19:42 Radfield wrote: As far as I can tell, we have 5 suspicious targets. Ohn, Myheronoob and fishball, Iaaan and Trezguet. I'm pretty sure we can either kill or check in some fashion all 5 of these players. If there is another neutral aligned player out there who has a nightkill power, I suggest you hit Ohn. The other 4 I think are covered. As far as Darth is concerned, he both name and role claimed to me long before he started lying about his name in the thread. I really don't know what his game plan was, but I don't think he's very suspicious right now. And given that Darth was trolling, I don't really find TwoToneTerran suspicious at all. On May 23 2010 20:25 DarthThienAn wrote: I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town. On May 23 2010 22:08 DarthThienAn wrote: Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. He's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tiger_Generals with two others in the game (three now), which makes 4/5. He's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_the_Dragon which I based on Caller's picture in the OP ^^ Again, I know nothing about Three Kingdoms except for what I've read on Wiki... what exactly are these "far more likely names" other than the obvious leaders? On May 23 2010 22:10 DarthThienAn wrote: ebwop: Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. You're just trying to make it seem like some elaborate scheme of mine to trick everyone? And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling. On May 23 2010 22:25 DarthThienAn wrote: I thought about Zhang Fei... but the wiki article on him isnt as directly related to Three Kingdoms... or at least the sections aren't as nice =D Who are Huang Gai and Zhang Liao? lol. And Meng Huo? Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too. glhf, man. Let me know what you come up with... reading characters' info has really told me nothing about their roles, just history. -_- On May 23 2010 22:53 DarthThienAn wrote: By all means, keep thinking like that. All Wikipedia offers is history, and plot. It hardly describes their characters. And I hardly pay attention to the details that it offers, since they are unrelated to this game. I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms." And by all means, waste your time protecting TwoToneTerran, the lurker who disappeared for three days, came back to say "I am Ma Chao," posted a couple more times, and disappeared yet again without contributing while being quite active in other forums. Waste your time trying to figure out my "hidden intentions" rather than deal with concrete things. Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this? On May 24 2010 00:21 DarthThienAn wrote: Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. Wiki describes them, but not in any way relevant to this game.. perhaps you could give an example if you feel differently? When I read people's characters bios, I could not see the relation to their roles, which made me conclude that Caller just randomized names + roles. "Something stinks about your play." ok. I'm playing for the town or "neutral". Can you smell it? How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it. On May 24 2010 06:55 DarthThienAn wrote: To bait someone into nameclaiming. Also, Caller... that was the lamest day post ever for waiting more than half the night -___-. Hesmyrr didn't die? Sweeettt. On May 24 2010 16:50 DarthThienAn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote: Ok, got some free time now so here it goes. I am not Meng Huo. I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited. Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did). Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following. My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not. ---------- I am not a leader or recruiter. When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim). BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't. LunarDestiny had a good read here. ---------- As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough. Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now. In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me. Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT. Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows. Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly. Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims. Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. Do you agree with me? We've done incredibly well to kill 2 leaders in two days, although we lost Hesmyrr. Now, however, the rate of recruitment is half of what it could have been in the beginning - and like Caller said, we're in a great position to win as neutral. + Show Spoiler [Scamp's posts] + On May 22 2010 14:20 Scamp wrote: Are you guys just gonna ignore the fact that two people claimed the same person? On May 22 2010 14:26 Tricode wrote: Edit (or w/e you're suppose to type) I believe DarthThienAn admitted to lying basically to fish for info? On May 22 2010 14:50 Scamp wrote: Dumb reason to lie IMO. Get someone to claim their name? What's the point? He also claimed so he wouldn't be killed while he was away. He's clearly not away. You're supposed to type EBWOP. Also you're not the only person I was talking to with the ignoring thing. On May 23 2010 20:19 Scamp wrote: Oh yeah let's not suspect Darth for having a failsafe to a plan that had no point. And if that weren't enough, he decided to leave clues as another failsafe, y'know, in case the first failsafe failed. So what was gained for bringing out Ma Chao? Nothing as far as I can tell. I can't figure out what his deal is. On May 23 2010 22:02 Scamp wrote: Honestly, I really don't care about your defense. I'm more concerned why Radfield doesn't find you suspicious. But hey, since you're kind enough to reply, let's stick with you. There still is no point to what you did. We didn't need names, since they were coming along just fine. Even now, we will learn Ohn's name very fast when we kill him. Ma Chao was also very likely NOT to be in the game. If no one claimed Ma Chao were you just going to speak up and say "I was just funnin'. I'm really Zhou Yu." Pretty doubtful IMO. And if you're drawing out names, there were far more likely names to go with other than Ma Chao. Basically, there's no reason in what you did. On May 23 2010 22:15 Scamp wrote: Pretty much anyone who claimed after you did is more obvious. Huang Gai. Zhang Liao. ZHANG MUTHERFUCKIN' FEI??? I don't include Meng Huo. Yeah I think there's some elaborate scheming going on. The reason in what you did is NOT simple and obvious, otherwise I would understand why you felt you needed to do that. Since you won't explain such a simple and obvious thing....I don't think it is. Basically I think I will look up Ma Chao and figure out why anyone would want to know who he is. I also think that anyone that can prevent TwoToneTerran from being recruited should do so. Stupid useless TTT. Protect him. Bleh. On May 23 2010 22:33 Scamp wrote: Who knows? Maybe you or someone you know wants to recruit Ma Chao for some reason. It could be in your role PM for all I know. Find Ma Chao and this will happen... Your thought process is still silly and unnecessary. Hey, the town supports a mass nameclaim, there's only about seven or so people left who haven't nameclaimed....so let's bait someone into nameclaiming! The point: Lulz! AGAIN, DON'T LET ANYTHING FUCKING HAPPEN TO TwotoneTerran! And don't ask me who those people are. Look them up in the wiki. I'm surprised you haven't done that already, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN READING CHARACTERS' INFO. On May 23 2010 23:47 Scamp wrote: By all means, Darth, keep pretending like you had a good reason, or even ANY reason to do what you did. By all means, Darth, keep using wiki as a basis for name-hunting, and then downplaying the use of it at all. Wiki does describe all the characters, BTW. By all means, keep pretending like you're doing something useful for the town. Something stinks about your play. I have given you countless chances to provide any reasoning and you've come up with nothing. Radfield also needs to answer as well. On May 24 2010 06:24 Scamp wrote: I could give an example if I could actually confirm what anyone does. As for your reason, I must have missed it. What was it? On May 24 2010 22:25 Scamp wrote: Darth, honestly, you've never explained yourself to me once. I'm not going to force the issue since I'm not getting any support, but to claim you've explained it over and over is simply false. Unless your explanation is that you have no good explanation. Then it's true. Anyway, the way I see it is that if I were a recruiter I would message someone I had recruited and ask to use their name and then have them risk claiming something random instead of myself. It's also highly feasible that Caller gave them all safe claims as mass nameclaim is an obvious way to break the game. | ||
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anyway. + Show Spoiler + "I was fishing" "We need people to nameclaim..." etc "I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name." @Xelin: " I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. " "I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town." " Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. " "Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. ... And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling." "Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too." "I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms."" @whoever said I was pushing for the other double claims: "Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this?" I did so after explaining myself several times, so that's hardly "dodging" my situation. "Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. ... How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it." "To bait someone into nameclaiming." " Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. " tl;dr version: I did my fake claim to draw out another player's name. Simple as that. I chose a fairly random name, but one I thought would be in the game, based on what I knew from Wikipedia - which wasn't much. Credentials? Radfield already said I claimed to him beforehand - BrownBear hasn't said anything but he hasn't been active lately since he's been moving home from college. Maybe you should PM him to do so if it's that big of a deal to you. Officially: I am Zhou Yu. I'm not going to roleclaim at this point, because that's retarded and I don't need to. Enough people know my role that we can make use of it. Can we move on now? Or is there something else you want me to explain? Ask me directly, now, or else shut up and focus on the matter at hand, instead of going in circles with me. | ||
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On May 24 2010 23:23 XeliN wrote: Thats nice but it doesn't exactly constitute telling us your role. Explain why I should tell you my role? | ||
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On May 24 2010 23:32 XeliN wrote: Because once roles are open then they are still just as useful for the neutrals, but close to useless for the teams. No-one can use a night ability without it being linked to them. It means we can officially co-ordinate together as a town and in general it would make your long-ass explanatory posts that much more credible. Roleclaim please, although if I am alone in thinking you should then there is no need to. I'm already following what the town asks, just not directly. People have stated what they were doing for their night roles; I can base my night actions off that information. Roleclaiming = "Hey recruit me" unless it's Meng Huo, or maybe even if it's Meng Huo. I don't think roleclaiming would add any credibility to my explanations, especially to those who aren't even listening to what I'm saying. Just like in regular mafia where roleclaiming makes you a target for night kill, roleclaiming here makes you a target for recruitment. The only reason why I would roleclaim would be if it would help the town somehow, which, at this point, I fail to see how it could - hence, I'm not going to roleclaim until I need to. And my "long-ass explanatory posts" aren't even that long. The most recent one was a bunch of quotes of several explanatory posts where I repeat myself and try to satisfy Scamp with his saying that I haven't explained myself. It was supposed to be spoilered, but, eh. missed a tag somewhere. | ||
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On May 25 2010 00:06 XeliN wrote: Name claiming wouldn't be "hey recruit me" in fact not saying it is moreso as it is suggestive that you have a highly desirable role for the other factions. Roleclaiming would let the neutrals know more easily if you had become recruited. You argument for not claiming is poor and I am finding you quite the suspicious person. The fact that apparently the only person you have told is Radfield is also odd. Claimed to BB, he just hasn't been around ...like I said And not roleclaiming wouldn't be a red flag to recruiters at all if you weren't trying to drag it out of me for no reason, yea? I see no one else concerned about what role I have, only my name and the drama around that. And even that has hardly been anyone except for Scamp/you. Why so eager to find my role? On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote: Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited? lol.. On May 25 2010 00:12 XeliN wrote: Anyway the only credible argument for not roleclaiming is that you would become desirable to the other factions, and hopefully I have shown how that logic is faulty. I've also outlined why roleclaming is beneficial, night actions cannot be anonymous, if we know your role then it is more easy to determine if you are acting for the neutrals benefit, and also it makes you less desriable for a team as they cannot use you or your night action without fear of being discovered. Basically you do not currently have an argument as far as I can tell so what is your role? My night actions aren't anonymous, since I'm held accountable by the people that know who I am and my role. You're right that roleclaiming is beneficial in that way - but I've already done that and am already being useful to the town. Roleclaiming publicly to everyone at this point is still unnecessary. My not roleclaiming is just me trying to keep the factions in the dark. As far as I'm concerned, the town knows who I am. The factions don't - it's one less role that they know about, and one less person they can skip over for a more desirable role. | ||
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On May 25 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote: Also, dammit, Fishball. I may have not had time to switch my night action off of MyHeroNoob. I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see. What is time? What time is it? What day is it? I wish I knew the answer to these questions. | ||
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On May 25 2010 04:20 LunarDestiny wrote: Now should be Night 3 What. Day 3, isn't it. I was saying that semi-sarcrastically, poking fun at Caller. | ||
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On May 25 2010 11:16 Trezeguet23 wrote: "But unfortunately for these idiots they haven't told me who I'm working for or anything other then I have been recruited for them." lol you gave me how long to let you know?? nice, now we know that you are YT leader. ^^ Don't have to waste time wondering about that. | ||
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1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies if he chooses lynch 3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao - 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (none) 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - (NOT a night action cancel) 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante 14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Role Cop (+YT) 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (+Shu) 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 19. Trezequet23........ - YT Leader/Recruiter 20. Fishball...............? 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - "something crappy" 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Soon to die: Trezequet23 Tricode other YTs Still out there: Liu Bei | ||
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On May 25 2010 12:03 Fishball wrote: Did Caller already confirmed the rest of the YT's will die along side? Huge difference. He didn't but. ... that'd be pretty messed up if it wasn't like that. Anyway, found Trez's name - Zhang Jiao? ^^ | ||
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On May 25 2010 19:44 Radfield wrote: Nope nope nope. Sorry BM, I really don't like the plans you're throwing down. It smells of desperation, and it stinks. I'm inclined to trust Tricode's result for the moment, despite the fact that he got recruited. It fits that Trez is not neutral. A few things we know, or likely know. Trezguet is a YT with recruiting powers BM is probably a YT Tricode is a YT Fishball is NOT a YT, but could be the green leader BC in NOT a YT, but could be the green leader Iaaan flipped neutral according to the alignment check I'd love if the watcher could confirm who he watched last night and what happened, but only if it's pertinent info. So I'm going to assume that Abenson did not get recruited last night unless the watcher confirms otherwise. So, we lynch Trez today, and if the rest of the YT gang is still around, Brownbear and Abenson kill the other two tonight. At the very least that gets rid of 3 YT members and significantly sets back their victory. We also have a host of investigative powers, and I think people worth checking out are BloodyC0bbler, Johnnyspazz, Scamp, Ohn, and Fishball(could still be green). Of course other people are likely green as well, but all we need to do is find the green leader. I would recommend the watcher watch Brownbear or myself to see if we get recuited. Anything I'm missing? Any better suggestions as to how we clear all this up? Some things to add: Who did Abenson get recruited by? Green or YT? Cuz if he's green, then there's no way BC is green leader, since BC visited Jugan last night. Yeah though. Lynch Trez | ||
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On May 26 2010 04:27 LunarDestiny wrote: Damn there is too much confusion here and we only get to lynch one person per day... I am now offering my one time use ability to town to clear this shit up. As Xu Zhu, I have the ability to day kill once. Now discuss who should I go for given we agreed to lynch Trezguet23. People you might consider killing: Trez - YT (Zhang Jiao?): If you hit Trez now, we can make a more educated lynch (or can we... dunno how Caller's going to time this considering the last couple cycles -___-). Lynch is technically a day action, so I dunno if the two would go together. So from that perspective, might as well leave the lynch on Trez and kill someone else. Abenson - Taishi Chi: If he flips green, we know BC isn't a leader for either of the remaining faction. Of course, he could just tell us that, but he doesn't seem to have been around/he could easily lie. Since his role - which is technically unconfirmed but strange enough that I don't think he would make it up - is useful, I probably wouldn't kill him. Ohn - Pang Tong: Suspicious to me in an LR kind of way - hasn't really posted anything significant all game, except for his name, and saying he's been away and then lost his power. ez dodger. If you kill him, all we get is information, although, the way Caller's been playing it, we would only get his name (if his claim was fake) and possibly faction.. Falcynn- Sima Yi: Dude's gone quiet. Sup with that? He hasn't posted since just before Hesmyrr vs L. He'll probably claim busy with RL. johnnyspazz - Zhang Liao: almost as inactive as Ohn. Impressive. He and Ohn are in the exact same boat, along with Falcynn (although Falcynn contributed a bit more) Scamp - Guan Yu: Thinks everyone but himself is a liar, no matter what ^^. BloodyCl0bber - Huang Gai: He's been inactive but not too inactive... suspicious for BC ^^. MyHeroNoob - "Meng Huo": He claimed Meng Huo but then said he made it up.. and considering Fishball is also not Meng Huo then... uhhhh. He also posted recently in other TL threads but not here (he voted, but did not posted in the main thread). TwoToneTerran - Ma Chao: he's definitely not a leader; who would counter claim my Ma Chao unless they were actually Ma Chao ^^. I think he's neutral, but that's just a personal feeling, he could easily be YT or green. Well. There's my list. You could consider me, but I'm just your regular town-lovin' neutral who decided to fake claim to get some info. Also note: We have a full list of names, minus Fishball. People are lying about their names - try to think of which ones would be "most" fake. + Show Spoiler [names] + An update: 1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies as lyncher/bus driver 3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao - 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (none) 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - (NOT a night action cancel) 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante 14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Role Cop (+YT) 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (+Shu/YT) 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 19. Trezequet23........ - YT Leader/Recruiter 20. Fishball...............? 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Day Vigi 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - P.S. DayVigi is an awesome role =p, not something crappy. | ||
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tl;dr version: I'd go with one of the inactives (ohn, falcynn, johnnyspazz) or BC/MyHeroNoob. Might consider Scamp too, but he could just have trust issues and he's active enough that I wouldn't kill him just cuz like that. | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:18 Bill Murray wrote: just kill me and you'll see that you can trust me and that i am yt the yt will not die with trez, he isn't the leader, he is one of the 2 they started with the pm he sent me was sort of ambiguous on the recruitment from the brothers, and i have yet to have to vote for a recruit. i am certain that he is not the leader, though. kill me right now to prove that I am YT and am not lying to you all It's too bad it doesn't work like that.. "This statement is false." You are YT = you could be lying. We kill you, you flip YT, we still don't know whether or not what you said was a lie. You are not YT, you claimed YT, said all this stuff = you lying. Either way, you could be lying. I forgot to include BM on my list, since all of that stuff happened today and the list was old. ^^. | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:36 LunarDestiny wrote: I have class for the next 2 hours. Given Trezquet23 is to be lynched. I will day kill Scamp based on the quotes below. This is currently the best solution to maximize our information if I am seeing it correctly. Again, discuss if I am making the best possible choice or if there is another better choice out there. I don't mind you killing Scamp, but don't do it because of what BM said - he was roleblocked. On May 26 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote: but, as 5 or so of you are in Shu already, that's what you all want Too bad that's impossible, since Shu has a maximum of 3 players right now including the leader, pretttty different from "5 or so". A lot of what you've been saying is completely illogical BM... slow down -__- | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:40 Bill Murray wrote: wait, no, it'd be 4. It will be 5 after tonight if you all lynch a YT. Lets assume the YT have gone the way I think they have 3 members + 2 recruits night 1 = 5 +1 recruit night 2 = 6 With Shu @ 4 (starting with a leader and a bodyguard) + 2 for the 2 night recruits, if you kill Trez and he's the leader, and we all die then Shu will be @5 and will rape any vote I didn't vote or get asked to vote as I was basically like "fuck you, I don't believe you" to him. He might not even be one of the YT at all to be honest, unless Tricode got a PM from caller I didn't get anything like that. the way this is going you all are going to be letting Shu run this shit over Since when are there bodyguards for the faction leaders? If there were, they would've died with the leaders, no? Since L and LR died without anyone, except Hesmyrr who was recruited - there are no bodyguards, yea? | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:40 LunarDestiny wrote: Wait, didn't Caller say something about neutral victory if all faction leaders and YT and eliminated. Someone confirm with Caller if game is over or not if only one faction alive, YT dead, and neutrals still out numbers the faction left. Neutral victory is achievable. | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:42 Bill Murray wrote: darththienan HAS to be Shu the way he's arguing right now oya I'm Shu cuz I can doz math. | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:44 Bill Murray wrote: i would bet anything that if you daykilled darthThienAn that he would be green i would bet anything that if you daykilled darthThienAn that he would be neutral unless I'm green without knowing it which I doubt | ||
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On May 26 2010 05:46 DarthThienAn wrote: @BM, where does it say that leaders start with bodyguards? where it the evidence that bodyguards exist? forget i even asked this: "Initially each faction consists of just one person. Every night, each faction may recruit another player to their team. " One person, kk BM? "If the faction leader is slain, the entire faction collapses and dies with him." Someone should have died with LR if bodyguards existed, yea? (this doesn't necessarily apply to YT, since this paragraph is before YT is mentioned..) On May 26 2010 05:49 LunarDestiny wrote: He is bsing. Last Romantic (Cao Cao) died alone. L (Sun Quan) died with his recruit Hesmyrr (Lu Xun). Yeah, I know BM is bsing. Wanted to see what he came up with. | ||
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On May 26 2010 06:01 Bill Murray wrote: im not bsing. i thought hesmyrr was with him from the start... i guess i'm wrong. even so, they'll be at 4, and will have 25% or so of the people after tomorrow night YT will be at 2-3 I believe, with 1-2 of their members known if you're wanting to lynch and daykill, either lynch me and dayvig tricode or trez or lynch trez and dayvig tricode as i'm trying to help the town now obviously And LR? yea. they'll be 4 AFTER night 3. Max. That's still like, 2 real life days away -__-. Stop saying the Shu or YT are going to run us over with pure numbers already, unless they actually are. Trez getting lynched for sure - daykill's on LD to decide. Between you and Tricode, you're both YT, so it doesn't really matter. I'd rather kill you than Tricode, since busdriver is more useful to the YT than rolecop. How are you helping town? By spamming nonsense? .. | ||
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On May 26 2010 06:03 Bill Murray wrote: you all have to admire what i'm doing, though, not even KNOWING i'm yt i have no idea if i am or if i'm not. if trez dies and isn't YT then i'm still not even cleared from not being YT myself because someone else could have non-inform recruited me. trez also could have been lying, so even if he is YT i am not 100% certain to be YT myself because Caller didn't tell me shit. I made up the entire story about bussing people, LunarDestiny, so ignore that it was a ploy to try and save what I believed to be my faction's ass, and was spoiled by XeliN :p my point exactly. nonsense. -__- | ||
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On May 26 2010 06:13 Bill Murray wrote: can you read? my real power is in relation to the day lynch if you shan't lynch me i shan't use it when you use it trez i will show you whats up if you dayvig me i will kill the person attacking me oh, so you don't have a busdriver ability AT ALL. Something in me thought that you had both powers. In that case, I thought your real power was that you die if you lynch someone, and that was it... | ||
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On May 26 2010 07:05 Radfield wrote: Wow wow wow. BM has claimed like twice thats he's YT and twice that he's NOT YT. And shockingly lied about bussing, who woulda know. Lunar Destiny, you should Daykill Trez, so we can see if the whole faction goes down. If it does go down, then we can use our lynch on whoever we suspect to be green. The sooner we can go after green the better. If the whole YT faction doesn't go down with Trez, then we can use our daykill on one of the other confirmed YT members.. It's in our best interest to kill trez asap. If you imagine that instead of 1 dayvig and 1 lynch, we just had two dayvigs, we would definitely use the first one on trez. We basically DO have two dayvigs, so please use yours on trez, so we will have more information for the lynch vote. @Darth: why do you keep saying that Abenson is not neutral?? I missed anything to that respect in the thread, unless you mean when abenson asked if he should claim if he gets recruited. Also, where did MyHeroNoob unclaim his name? Here is a list of people I currently trust as neutral. No one else has to trust them though, but I do. Darth Brownbear Iaaan Lunar Destiny People I kinda trust: Xelin Scamp Fishball Falcynn people I don't trust: Jspazz Ohn BloodyC0bbler YT Members Tricode Bill Murray Trezguet On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote: Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited? uhhh lemme find MHN's post | ||
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On May 22 2010 18:33 MyHeroNoob wrote: You are Meng Huo, Barbarian Leader! Because you do what you want, you may desert your current faction at any time. On May 22 2010 18:43 MyHeroNoob wrote: Is that against the rules? I totally made that up is my interpretation correct? | ||
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On May 26 2010 07:31 XeliN wrote: In his defence there's no mention in the rules and he didn't quote ^^ There are just no rules (about posting). lol. | ||
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On May 26 2010 07:44 Abenson wrote: So... Right now I have 2 potential targets: BM and Trez as a night action? prolly not Trez since he'll be dead by then. 1 potential target, BM, k? | ||
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On May 26 2010 09:20 ohN wrote: Since I think this is the only way you're going to believe me: My ability is that I can watch one person per night and see who they visit. 1st night I watched L, he didn't visit anyone according to Caller. (Which I thought was strange since didn't he recruit Hesmyrr?) 2nd night I watched Abenson, he visited Fishball. It seems like we have a lot of YT figured out Some things I'd like to add: + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote: Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited? Abenson is green or lying about being recruited since he still decides to help the town with taking out the YT. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2010 09:26 Radfield wrote: Just realized: BC visited Jugan last night, and since Tricode got recruited as a YT, BC is absolutely not a YT. If Trezguet flips as the other leader, then BC is clean. BC visits Jugan during the night and doesn't offer an explanation as to why, when he is asked. His response after Radfield posts his visit to Jugan is: On May 25 2010 09:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Feel free to send abenson at me then, it will confirm that I am not actually a YT, or at least, not an informed one. Which at least makes him suspectable for visiting someone and dodging the question of "why?" BM also mentioned making a "plan" with Jugan but all his posts are BS so I don't think it holds much. To clarify: you watch someone and see who THEY visit, not who visits THEM, correct? So you are a tracker, yes? | ||
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But... L visited Hesmyrr night 1. They both died from the Day 2 lynch. Soo... ... anyway, nothing that you said confirms you as a tracker -__-, since it's all been public knowledge. All your claiming does is enable us to direct your night actions as we can. | ||
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On May 26 2010 09:55 Radfield wrote: Yep, that doesn't quite add up. L had to have visited Hesmyrr night one, unless L just bullshitted Hesmyrr and hadn't actually recruited him. Either Caller forgot to inform you of whom L visited, or you're lying, or you got somehow roleblocked, which sems unlikely, since Xelin blocked me. Anyways, I can confirm that there is a tracker role in the game, as that was my role last night. In my books, Ohn is likely not a leader. L couldn't have BS'ed that, cuz Hesmyrr died too. So either Caller messed up, or ohn is lying. Not gonna rule out Caller messing up though ^^. Either way, none of that says anything that can prove ohn's innocence, whether or not it's true. | ||
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On May 26 2010 09:51 Fishball wrote: No, don't. I will be using the armies on Trezequet23 as originally planned. You guys organize whatever Day, Night, Afternoon, Evening kills we've got on other targets. I don't want any but this, but that, could of, should of after the event. Stick to the plan. It might be too late. he claimed that. should he not be worthless? | ||
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On May 26 2010 10:22 Fishball wrote: Basically what BM has been trying to pull off in the last few pages is quite amusing. If BM really wants to die, we can have either LunarDestiny or BrownBear to take him out. But BM dying as a YT, doesn't proves his credibility much. He can very well be sacrificing and drawing fire to himself. Trezequet23 has a very high chance of being an original YT. Tricode also claims that Trezequet23 has the ability to recruit. Unless Tricode switched sides, we should make our decisions based on the information provided by him. If Trezequet23 turns out to not be a leader, then we will have other things to worry about. Also, I don't understand how Abenson got recruited as Shu, and how BM labeled him as Bodyguard. The picture doesn't add up here. First off, none of the factions excluding YT, started off with a bodyguard. LR died by himself, L died with Hesmyrr which he recruited, so I have a hard time imagining Liu Bei would start with a Bodyguard. Secondly, Abenson's role is Taishi Ci, a YT killer. This role, by all means doesn't look like a bodyguard in any shape or form, and Taisi Ci doesn't belong to Shu in the Three Kingdoms. With BM just pushing his side of the story forward and Abenson laying low the majority of the time, this draws my attention. Abenson's potential to be Shu comes from the fact that he posted "should I announce that I got recruited"? So he's either YT or Shu, considering he's not dead. | ||
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On May 26 2010 10:29 Fishball wrote: We don't know about the YT leaders, but it is safe to assume the rest of the faction leaders can take 2 hits. important thing to know is: it's two night hits. LR died in one lynch. | ||
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On May 26 2010 10:47 Fishball wrote: Right now, if I had a grenade, I would just tie BM, Abenson, Johnnyspazz, and Trez together and throw a grenade at them. Just to watch them squeal for their lives and kaboom. Sounds right to me. Abenson, if you are neutral then just... ... if you're not, then ... yea. | ||
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On May 26 2010 11:51 Abenson wrote: So yea... when is the day gonna end? like 24 hours yo. | ||
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As in something like, "If my day hit kills people with two lives, then ##Kill Trez. If not, then ##Kill Bill Murray" or whoever. If BM's not lying about his kamikaze role (you kill me I kill you), then I don't really like this trade, but it's up to you, and I have no idea why Fishball doesn't want you to kill Trez beforehand. | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:34 Fishball wrote: If you, BrownBear, LunarDestiny and DarthThienAn all want me to announce my role, I will do so. Please do - I'm going to post an updated role / name list soon. and heads up I'm the alignment DT, Radfield was neutral on night 1, and Iaaan was neutral night 2. Night 3 check will be decided by us all. | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:30 Radfield wrote: OK, I layed out who i feel is NOT a leader, so lets look at the rest of the people in the game. I might be remembering a few things wrong here, so if people see any errors let me know. The rest of the people 1. Bill Murray 5. Scamp 7. Falcynn 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 15. TwotoneTerran 17. ~Opz~ 20. Fishball Myheronoob and twotoneterran both came out on the proper side of nameclaims, which makes me think they are not the green leader. Opz was pretty much the first person to nameclaim, which reduces suspicion on him greatly. Falcynn claimed Sima Yi, which Xelin confirmed was in the game, given that it listed Sima Yi in Xelin's role description. Bill Murray's role of bad army leader seems legit. Even if everything else he said was lying, I'm inclined to believe that part of his story, because he mentioned it at the beginning of the game and made a big stink of it. This leaves three people. Scamp, BC and Fishball. Fishball has STILL not name claimed(I think) which makes him most likely to be the green leader I suppose. BC has a night action and has been very quiet. Scamp has claimed a powerful role, I'm inclined to believe him, but I have nothing which with I can clear him from the short list. Any objections to this logic? Recommendations on how we should proceed will follow. What should we make of MyHeroNoob's "I made it all up" post, concerning his name and role? Something to consider, if you remember it. On May 27 2010 10:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are Huang Gai, Every night you may challenge someone to a duel. If you win two duels in a row, you gain an extra night life. If you lose the duel, you die, regardless of however many lives you have. What does a duel consist of o.O The list: 1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies if he chooses lynch 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (useless) 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - (NOT a night action cancel) 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante/stay-home-kill 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (useless) 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 20. Fishball...............? 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Daykill (used) 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Alignment DT | ||
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The list: 1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies if he chooses lynch 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - Tracker 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (useless) 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - "Duelist" 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante/stay-home-kill 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (useless) 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 20. Fishball...............? 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Daykill (used) 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Alignment DT [/QUOTE] | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:43 Fishball wrote: I am Dian Wei. Bodyguard, protect Night Hits. I do NOT have Day Kill abilities like Xu Zhu. Note: this is consistent with his dodging name + roleclaim. | ||
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How did barth die night 1? Brownbear didn't do it, which means we have another vigilante or something. It wasn't Radfield's random power either because he got YT killer and got roleblocked anyway. So what happened there? Second vig, please RC if you are alive. BC, do you know what Jugan's role was? | ||
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On May 27 2010 10:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and I didn't believe his claim? regardless, he died so the fight ended in a draw. No, my role doesn't let me know who people are, just lets me duel them. Well, I thought you were talking to him or something xD. Or what that BM? | ||
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On May 26 2010 09:47 johnnyspazz wrote: YEAH GO KILL TREZEQUET23! i got a worthless ability since wu is dead Nah it weren't jspazz. Gonna keep lookin though. The list: 1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies if he chooses lynch 4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random 5. Scamp..................Guan Yu - 6. Ohn......................Pang Tong - Tracker 7. Falcynn................Sima Yi - 8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (useless) 10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - "Duelist" 11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert 12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock 13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante/stay-home-kill 15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao - 16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (useless) 17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none) 20. Fishball...............Dian Wei - Bodyguard 21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Daykill (used) 23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu - Alignment DT Missing: Scamp Falcynn TwoToneTerran | ||
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On May 27 2010 11:12 Bill Murray wrote: how am i alive i guess i wasn't YT after all lol in that case, i am neutral. furthermore, i do not believe that i can be daykilled based upon my role pm Caller didn't change the dayvig from johnnyspazz yes. you are either neutral or green. so you CANT be daykilled at all? Even by lynch? On May 27 2010 11:12 Bill Murray wrote: this is part of the reason i was telling you not to dayvig me Nice 2000th post. On May 27 2010 11:12 Bill Murray wrote: i'm glad i'm neutral. as a result of me being neutral, i promise to help the town a lot more. I'd rather see it than hear it o.O But, technically, you're useless at the moment, unless you can logically explain why someone out of Radfield's suspects is not leader. We only don't think you're leader because you've soft-roleclaimed relatively early. On May 27 2010 11:15 ohN wrote: The people who haven't roleclaimed yet are pretty suspicious imo. We should investigate those 3 in DarthTheinAn's post this night. And BC, your role sounds really.. stupid and pointless. I don't believe you because L claimed his role had something to do with a "poison pill" and it was complete BS. I don't think Caller would add an almost completely useless and random role like the one you claimed to have. Scamp and Falcynn are suspicious. TwoToneTerran is not because he counter-claimed my Ma Chao (see Scamp? It wasn't so useless and retarded after all). Note that we only care about the leader atm. Falcynn claimed relatively early as Sima Yi, and no one has counter-claimed him. Since Sima Yi is in this game, according to Xelin, he's not that suspicious. Read the previous posts man -_-. And yes, BC's role is extremely suspicious, and sounds pretty fake - he also has no way of confirming or not confirming it soo.. he's also been quiet this game, which he explains as he had company over, which, in this thread, is not a legitimate reason. So, back to the original three: Scamp BC Fishball is the least suspicious of the three, but still potentially a leader. | ||
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also, ohn, can you be active today - "tonight" ? We could really use your tracker ability during this night cycle. So, if possible, please be on an hour or two before night ends, which should be in 24 hours ish? right? tomorrow midnight EDT as far as I know? | ||
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On May 27 2010 11:26 Iaaan wrote: Hey guys, seeing as how faction leaders have two lives, and lives only effects 'hits', lynches always kill no matter what, isn't it kind of strange that Bill Murray took a hit, but is still alive? Put that together with his bullshiting, looks pretty bad for Bill. He didn't take a hit. On May 27 2010 11:28 Iaaan wrote: oh and also, I think we should probably vote to give me your armies, since I was rolechecked and confirmed to be neutral. It's night, we can worry about that later ^^ | ||
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On May 27 2010 11:29 LunarDestiny wrote: To explain why Bill Murray didn't die (heaven's will?) My 2nd amendment (johnnyspazz->Bill Murray) was made after Caller frozen the day actions. It seems johnnyspazz wasn't lying about his role either since Zhang Liao is famous for holding 200,000 troops led by Sun Quan with 7000 troops defending He Fei. Should look at Johnnyspazz's other posts for some information. His other posts are mainly trolling, joking around, or not substantial. -_- so wait, he held off 200,000 Wu troops with 7,000 on his side? ...damn. That's like 300 yo. I wonder what that would make his role though... can't be recruited by Wu? Too specific and lame. Kills Wu if they recruit him? Eh... still too specific. Dunno. | ||
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On May 27 2010 11:32 LunarDestiny wrote: Someone should really role check BC, his ability is too hard to believe. He'll probably either get tracked, killed, or checked. I think those are our options right now. On May 27 2010 11:35 LunarDestiny wrote: Oh, I understate Zhang Liao's achievement. Instead of "holding off the 200,000 army, he fucking own Sun Quan's army. LOL. | ||
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On May 27 2010 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am pretty sure the fact that no recruit actually had to help their leader, and could actively use their abilities against them + vocally speak up in game if you let them know they were recruited made it hard. Neutrals had absolutely no reason to help leaders, at all. The moment you said neutrals could win (you made a 5th faction) it went from 1v1v1v1 to 1v1v1v1v20. :p you could have predicted this well before hand. But at the same time, that woulda meant having 20 or so inactives in the first day because no one would care ^^. Maybe coulda been better if it was 2v2v2v2v16, which no neutral victory? or even going 3's although that makes a shorter game. | ||
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On May 27 2010 12:47 Fishball wrote: Because this isn't a Mafia game. There are no "bad guys"; You don't die for speaking up, especially not when your shit actually makes some sense. I actually wasn't going to join this game in the first place. I already played a few games in a row, and the last game I played, I was totally out of it. I was planning to take at least a 6 months break or so. However Three Kingdoms does have a special place in my heart, and when I saw LR signed up, I signed up too. Then I found out about this 1v1v1v1 no-loyalty-whatsoever BS. I regretted. I fished BC on MSN the first day and found out he was Liu Bei (Long story). I told him my role and said if he doesn't recruit me, then I would really have no goal or motivation to play the game. This was prior the neutral victory idea was brought up. I don't want to flash back too much in detail right now, so I'll just talk about some key moments/issues. Early on, you guys will remember me questioning about the players "loyalty". Radfield will remember me pointing out that players recruited does not necessarily have to stay loyal to his leader. This is a HUGE issue. Caller later told us, even if players are recruited by a faction, the player can still use their power on their own faction. Let's say if we recruit BrownBear, he can still kill us anytime he wants. Keep in mind this is not Mafia, we don't have any KP at all. There is no way for us to get rid of any players. We asked Caller whether we would win if we eliminated YT, as Shu would be the remaining faction. His answer was no, as he counted neutrals as a faction (Different from the original rule). When Caller made the neutral a "faction", all the leaders were already at a huge disadvantage. Dissapointed, but to be expected. Basically the only way for Shu to win at this point, is to keep recruiting, and hopefully survive the next 8 or more cycles. Fat chance. Side note, BC was afk the majority of the time. His visitor pisses me off. He also fucked up the roleclaim. That's not what I told him to say, but I guess it doesn't matter anymore. yeah, tbh, i think loyalty should have been more... important. for instance, if I were Hesmyrr, I would have immediately switched to play for my faction. Same as if I had been recruited any of the nights. lol. I would have been fine with not having a neutral win, but I definitely wouldn't have been as involved in the game as I was. | ||
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On May 27 2010 12:54 Tricode wrote: From the beginning of time to now, I'm still confused about BM. Agreed and fixed. | ||
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On May 27 2010 12:59 LunarDestiny wrote: I would prefer if faction leaders start with 2 permanent recruits. Liu Bei: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei. Cao Cao: Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan. Sun Quan: Zhou Yu, Lu Meng. Zhang Jiao: Zhang Bao, Zhang Liang. EDIT:and eliminate Yellow Turban Faction. So... Liu Bei: Guan Yu, Zhang Fei. Cao Cao: Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan. Sun Quan: Zhou Yu, Lu Meng. That would work as well. lol. The only thing you need to think about (esp. if neutral is a faction) is balance in numbers between those in factions and those not. | ||
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On May 27 2010 13:06 LunarDestiny wrote: There should never be a neutral win in the first place. Neutral should instead advertise themselves hoping to be recruited. lol. prostitution. | ||
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On May 28 2010 03:40 Fishball wrote: You really think 4 different leaders would agree on this ? Even if they do, the "recruited members" might not even listen to the leaders. Hell they could even reveal X/Y/Z is the leader to the public.As for role claiming, that was pretty bad. BC's role claim wasn't exactly what I told him to say and I was face palm all over when I saw it. He literally said it doesn't matter as he can't die if I was still alive, and could literally stand out and claim leader. On the other hand, I was pushing for the concede while waiting for Caller's reply, so yeah. Also keep in mind, role claiming in Mafia and role claiming in this game is totally different. If you don't have good knowledge about Three Kingdoms, the characters names and their role abilities you claim might not make sense to those who actually know about the history. I doubt most of you could come up with a Meng Huo role, (which actually existed in game). I mean small things like L's Sun Ren name claim, and Trez's Cao Pi ability claim, makes zero sense. I think you guys could have won.. all you to do was recruit me and/or BrownBear, and then Radfield and tell us. I would have switched loyalty immediately - dunno about BrownBear - and could easily have said, "oh Fishball is neutral". It might have been tough if Falcynn came back and started being active and watched the right people. You had to get BrownBear after me though for the KP - he might have been a sacrificial lamb at some point, but there was no way you would get him with a day lynch, until you guys were dominating. If you didn't recruit me or BB that night it would have been a toss-up, because, if the town agreed to kill BC and check you (Fishball), then BB and I were planning or switching anyway lol. So BC would have been dead the next day. | ||
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On May 28 2010 05:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If they figured me out as leader, xelin could just roleblock me nightly preventing me from recruiting people. Since no one had to be loyal to who recruited them, didn't matter. For shu to win required like, 6 more game days. Chances of living that long, or recruiting perfectly, or not getting screwed by my own recruits was next to impossible. Yeah, I mean, I see why you wouldn't want to try. It really was next to impossible and probably not worth the effort lol. On May 28 2010 05:21 Abenson wrote: I'm still confused. But I think I was on the winning team :D ...Abenson man. I don't get you. You're like BM - in a bad way - except that you're like a lost child instead of a messed-up adult. On May 28 2010 05:22 Scamp wrote: Jugan wins when I win, even if he's dead. I win if he wins, even if I'm dead. We were masons. I'm serious. I'm also serious in that that's it. That's all I got. Ouch that's pretty lame lol. So I guess you two both won? lol. | ||
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On May 28 2010 08:05 Fishball wrote: Your ideas are based on the assumption that we know for sure you will remain loyal to us. Given the two live examples in game, I don't think we'll ever even bother to take the chance and waste more time. Even if you publicly announce "I will remain loyal to whoever recruits me", we still wouldn't budge, as there is literally nothing to backup your statement. The only way we'll be willing to try, is if the rules are set for your to remain loyal. You remember at the very beginning when I questioned the rules regarding this? That was before I was Shu, when I was still neutral. I was simply questioning the flaws of the rules at that time, and it was the exact same flaw that hit us at the end. Also, I don't quite get this. What do you mean BC would have been dead the next day? BC can't die even if a nuclear bomb went off. As long as I'm alive, he lives, because I am ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DeLF7AaeNHU/SYBBe_cwqfI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/RR_FYVX-b1k/s400/dw_0004.jpg) yeah, well, I really disagree with people who "stayed" loyal to anything, including the town. Just like you play for the town if you're town and you play for mafia if you're mafia... guess you can't do anything about that one. Personally, if I were hosting, I would have banned Hesmyrr and Tricode for turning on your leaders (but it's not their fault since Caller allowed it), and said that you should play for your own faction. The setup in general had a lot of loopholes. uhhh, the next day as in Day 4 - you would have died Night 4 by BB, and then I would have had my check to confirm BC as green, so then we would lynch him. | ||
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On May 28 2010 10:01 Abenson wrote: I'm actually younger than you probably think ;P I treat everyone on TL as ageless o.O. | ||
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On May 28 2010 14:19 L wrote: We typically banned any player that gave up their team in a fit of rage. Why that isnt' being done here is probably because the teams weren't permanent. Yeah, that's what I meant when I said the setup had loopholes. Still, I'd understand it if they had been recruited to another faction, and THEN turned on their old leaders. But no, they just straight up turned on their current leaders lol... that part of the whole thing was what I disliked. | ||
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