Three Kingdoms Mafia (三国演义) - Page 4

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 07:50 GMT

#1199

On May 24 2010 13:02 Fishball wrote:
Ok, got some free time now so here it goes.

I am not Meng Huo.

I claimed Meng Huo for only one reason; To avoid being recruited.
Who would want to recruit a player that does not have any special abilities besides deserting his own faction? I know the Three Kingdoms very well, which allows me to come up with this role. Guess what, Meng Huo with the exact same ability I came up with actually exist in this game (assuming that MyHeroNoob is also telling the truth, and did not "make up" the same role like I did).

Earlier in the thread, I replied to Radfield with the following.

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My role has a passive ability, and if I were to be recruited, I would have no choice but to "help" my leader, whether I know it or not, want it or not.

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I am not a leader or recruiter.

When Hesmyrr brought up the neutral victory at the beginning, I was the first one to propose that a mass role claim would be needed (role claim, not just name claim).

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On May 19 2010 09:04 Fishball wrote:

On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay, guys.

On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.

This is critical. The fact you don't even know which side you are working for - and I promise you nobody but YT will inform the "victim" of their target - is highly disadvantageous for us neutrals. Hell, you may be playing game as usual when BAM! faction leader being an idiot gets himself killed, and who suffers for it? Us! Do you want to suffer such ignominy? I tell you not! Eighteen other neutrals listening to my voice, ponder my speech.

I will tell you of an way out. We will rebel against the injustice and wrestle control of the game out of these so-called leader's grasps. I propose...

NEUTRAL REVOLUTION

Take note of the winning condition Caller has listed:

Victory is attained when one faction outnumbers all the other factions.

On May 11 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:
i should probably specify that when i say outnumber all other groups, i mean that one group has more than 50% of the total player population.

You know what this means? Even when there is one faction leader remaining, as long as he doesn't overwhelm us, he can't win. Let's pull a Battler and turn around the chessboard. What do you see?

I see a four cult game, with us neutrals as Townies.

Let me stress that.

OUR PRIORITY AS NEUTRALS IS TO HUNT DOWN THE FOUR FACTION LEADERS, AND KILL THEM ALL. THEN IT WILL BE "TOWN" VICTORY, SINCE NEUTRALS (TOWN) IS THE ONLY FACTION REMAINING.

This plan is beneficial for all of us, this is the plan that makes sense, and this is EXACTLY what we should be doing. Neutrals, we are no longer neutrals. We are now comrades fighting for mutual victory, struggling against the tyranny of the cults awaiting us. Hereby I dedicate myself into finding, and killing, all the leader in this game. Who agrees with me?!?!?

As cool as this idea sounds, it wouldn't really work. It is too hard to work, as all the neutrals would have to be on the same page.
Also, leaders can still "recruit" you whether you like it or not.
Still, I like this idea. I would be way more motivated to play for myself, instead of leader(player) I don't like.

For this to work, basically everyone has to role claim; Their character and powers. Then we organize our night and day KP, to trim down the leaders to two. We then kill them at the same time in order to prevent "a single party outnumbering the other" situation.
Of course there are a lot more smaller details to sort out, but this is the main idea.

BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't.

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LunarDestiny had a good read here.

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As for our current Night, I propose to have Tricode check me, just to further validate my creditability, as motive itself is never enough.

Regarding MyHeroNoob, even though he has been quiet all game, and we don't know whether his claim is fake or not, compared to the other dual claimers, he shouldn't be our focus right now.

In the past few pages, I noticed DarthThienAn has been trying to push the focus on the other two claim incidents, instead of his dual Ma Chao claim. Looks kinda fishy to me.

Trezequet23's claim of Cao Pi being able to kill the recruiter, if the recruiter isn't Cao Cao doesn't really make sense (Judging based on my knowledge of the Three Kingdoms). I would send Abenson on him, as I have a hunch he could be YT.

Iaaan's claim of Cao Pi being able to rebuild Wei after Cao Cao's death, if recruited by Cao Cao makes a bit more sense, but it is still a somewhat bizarre skill. Yet this is a Caller game, so who knows.

Right now, YT is still our biggest threat. If Abenson's role claim is true, his power is one of our best weapons. We want to kill YT/Leaders, but not trim down our neutral numbers in the case we are wrong. I would still propose role checking Abenson. We would never want to be lead blindly.

Like mentioned by others already, it is safe to assume YT already has at least 3-5 members right now. You might not know if you're recruited if they choose not to notify you. It is like a hidden plague amongst us. If we're lucky, we should be able to catch at least 2 original YT among these dual claims.

Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc.

Do you agree with me?

We've done incredibly well to kill 2 leaders in two days, although we lost Hesmyrr. Now, however, the rate of recruitment is half of what it could have been in the beginning - and like Caller said, we're in a great position to win as neutral.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 14:20 GMT

#1212

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On May 22 2010 10:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
before I go, so that i don't killed while I'm away,

I'm Ma Chao.

sup yo.

On May 22 2010 13:30 TwoToneTerran wrote:

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If you are Ma Chao, what's your power?

Because, funnily enough, I am Ma Chao and my power isn't all that thrilling but atleast I know what it is.

Don't just name the first tiger general that comes to your head. It's obvious you were fishing for a response, because there's no way someone ISN'T Ma Chao.

Hell, don't even give me the power, give me the reason for his power -- the logic behind what Ma Chao is capable of.

At this point I'm going to vote for anyone who wants to take you out as you're blatantly lying.

On May 22 2010 13:40 DarthThienAn wrote:

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Yeah I was just fishing ^^.

On May 22 2010 13:42 DarthThienAn wrote:
It's uhh, it's good that you came out of lurking though. So quick, too. Why the lurking, and then suddenly being active at the right time to see my claim after 3-4 days or not posting?

hmm?

On May 22 2010 15:22 TwoToneTerran wrote:

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Um, I wasn't lurking? I had just caught up on the thread since my last few posts when we were arguing who to give our armies too. I saw your post and obviously that's my #1 reaction.

But you admit to lying and fishing roles. Not comfortable with that.

On May 22 2010 21:18 DarthThienAn wrote:

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To be honest, the situation concerning me is irrelevant. We need people to nameclaim and see where the contradictions come up. I don't know the first thing about the Three Kingdoms except what I've been reading on Wikipedia. So the whole "first five general that comes to your head", well I guess that's true. Stumbled upon the article and figured, Caller already had a couple, why not one more =D.

I already explained my reasoning as to why I did what I did. I took Caller's "trolling is encouraged" to heart, first of all, but then decided I wanted to get more information for the town. I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name. Since this will say nothing about my role (I don't think), I'll claim for real this time:

I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway.

kk, nuff said.

@MyHeroNoob:
uhh. he's either retarded or... well, he can explain his reasoning to us.

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On May 23 2010 04:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:

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Could you tell me that circumstantial evidence? Dude copped to lying and fishing for my role, because it's a well known character in the story. It's like if someone lied about being Jiang Wei -- too important and the person needs to respond as for him to not get away scott clean on that role claim.

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On May 23 2010 19:42 Radfield wrote:

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As far as I can tell, we have 5 suspicious targets. Ohn, Myheronoob and fishball, Iaaan and Trezguet.

I'm pretty sure we can either kill or check in some fashion all 5 of these players. If there is another neutral aligned player out there who has a nightkill power, I suggest you hit Ohn. The other 4 I think are covered.

As far as Darth is concerned, he both name and role claimed to me long before he started lying about his name in the thread. I really don't know what his game plan was, but I don't think he's very suspicious right now. And given that Darth was trolling, I don't really find TwoToneTerran suspicious at all.

On May 23 2010 20:25 DarthThienAn wrote:

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I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it.

I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them).

My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town.

On May 23 2010 22:08 DarthThienAn wrote:

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Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish.

The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game.

He's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Tiger_Generals with two others in the game (three now), which makes 4/5.

He's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_the_Dragon
which I based on Caller's picture in the OP ^^

Again, I know nothing about Three Kingdoms except for what I've read on Wiki... what exactly are these "far more likely names" other than the obvious leaders?

On May 23 2010 22:10 DarthThienAn wrote:
ebwop:

Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. You're just trying to make it seem like some elaborate scheme of mine to trick everyone?

And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling.

On May 23 2010 22:25 DarthThienAn wrote:

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I thought about Zhang Fei... but the wiki article on him isnt as directly related to Three Kingdoms... or at least the sections aren't as nice =D

Who are Huang Gai and Zhang Liao? lol. And Meng Huo?

Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too.

glhf, man. Let me know what you come up with... reading characters' info has really told me nothing about their roles, just history. -_-

On May 23 2010 22:53 DarthThienAn wrote:

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By all means, keep thinking like that. All Wikipedia offers is history, and plot. It hardly describes their characters. And I hardly pay attention to the details that it offers, since they are unrelated to this game.

I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms."

And by all means, waste your time protecting TwoToneTerran, the lurker who disappeared for three days, came back to say "I am Ma Chao," posted a couple more times, and disappeared yet again without contributing while being quite active in other forums. Waste your time trying to figure out my "hidden intentions" rather than deal with concrete things.

Anyway, that's not important.
Night actions:
deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan.

How shall we go about this?

On May 24 2010 00:21 DarthThienAn wrote:

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Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it.

Wiki describes them, but not in any way relevant to this game.. perhaps you could give an example if you feel differently? When I read people's characters bios, I could not see the relation to their roles, which made me conclude that Caller just randomized names + roles.

"Something stinks about your play." ok. I'm playing for the town or "neutral". Can you smell it?

How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it.

On May 24 2010 06:55 DarthThienAn wrote:

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To bait someone into nameclaiming.

Also, Caller... that was the lamest day post ever for waiting more than half the night -___-.

Hesmyrr didn't die? Sweeettt.

On May 24 2010 16:50 DarthThienAn wrote:
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On May 19 2010 09:04 Fishball wrote:

On May 19 2010 06:08 Hesmyrr wrote:
Okay, guys.

On May 19 2010 04:50 Caller wrote:
a) no, they don't even know that they are recruited. The only one that gets any confirmation is the leader.

Victory is attained when one faction outnumbers all the other factions.

On May 11 2010 15:23 Caller wrote:
i should probably specify that when i say outnumber all other groups, i mean that one group has more than 50% of the total player population.

BrownBear also PM'd me right away after I claimed Meng Huo. I could have easily abused this opportunity and lied if I were hostile to the neutrals. I didn't.

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LunarDestiny had a good read here.

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On May 22 2010 14:20 Scamp wrote:
Are you guys just gonna ignore the fact that two people claimed the same person?

On May 22 2010 14:26 Tricode wrote:
Edit (or w/e you're suppose to type)

I believe DarthThienAn admitted to lying basically to fish for info?

On May 22 2010 14:50 Scamp wrote:

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Dumb reason to lie IMO. Get someone to claim their name? What's the point?

He also claimed so he wouldn't be killed while he was away. He's clearly not away.

You're supposed to type EBWOP. Also you're not the only person I was talking to with the ignoring thing.

On May 23 2010 20:19 Scamp wrote:
Oh yeah let's not suspect Darth for having a failsafe to a plan that had no point.

And if that weren't enough, he decided to leave clues as another failsafe, y'know, in case the first failsafe failed.

So what was gained for bringing out Ma Chao? Nothing as far as I can tell.

I can't figure out what his deal is.

On May 23 2010 22:02 Scamp wrote:

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Honestly, I really don't care about your defense. I'm more concerned why Radfield doesn't find you suspicious.

But hey, since you're kind enough to reply, let's stick with you. There still is no point to what you did. We didn't need names, since they were coming along just fine. Even now, we will learn Ohn's name very fast when we kill him.

Ma Chao was also very likely NOT to be in the game. If no one claimed Ma Chao were you just going to speak up and say "I was just funnin'. I'm really Zhou Yu." Pretty doubtful IMO. And if you're drawing out names, there were far more likely names to go with other than Ma Chao.

Basically, there's no reason in what you did.

On May 23 2010 22:15 Scamp wrote:
Pretty much anyone who claimed after you did is more obvious.

Huang Gai.
Zhang Liao.

ZHANG MUTHERFUCKIN' FEI???

I don't include Meng Huo.

Yeah I think there's some elaborate scheming going on. The reason in what you did is NOT simple and obvious, otherwise I would understand why you felt you needed to do that. Since you won't explain such a simple and obvious thing....I don't think it is.

Basically I think I will look up Ma Chao and figure out why anyone would want to know who he is. I also think that anyone that can prevent TwoToneTerran from being recruited should do so.

Stupid useless TTT. Protect him. Bleh.

On May 23 2010 22:33 Scamp wrote:
Who knows? Maybe you or someone you know wants to recruit Ma Chao for some reason. It could be in your role PM for all I know. Find Ma Chao and this will happen...

Your thought process is still silly and unnecessary. Hey, the town supports a mass nameclaim, there's only about seven or so people left who haven't nameclaimed....so let's bait someone into nameclaiming! The point: Lulz!

AGAIN, DON'T LET ANYTHING FUCKING HAPPEN TO TwotoneTerran!

And don't ask me who those people are. Look them up in the wiki. I'm surprised you haven't done that already, EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN READING CHARACTERS' INFO.

On May 23 2010 23:47 Scamp wrote:
By all means, Darth, keep pretending like you had a good reason, or even ANY reason to do what you did.

By all means, Darth, keep using wiki as a basis for name-hunting, and then downplaying the use of it at all. Wiki does describe all the characters, BTW.

By all means, keep pretending like you're doing something useful for the town. Something stinks about your play. I have given you countless chances to provide any reasoning and you've come up with nothing.

Radfield also needs to answer as well.

On May 24 2010 06:24 Scamp wrote:

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I could give an example if I could actually confirm what anyone does.

As for your reason, I must have missed it. What was it?

On May 24 2010 22:25 Scamp wrote:
Darth, honestly, you've never explained yourself to me once. I'm not going to force the issue since I'm not getting any support, but to claim you've explained it over and over is simply false. Unless your explanation is that you have no good explanation. Then it's true.

Anyway, the way I see it is that if I were a recruiter I would message someone I had recruited and ask to use their name and then have them risk claiming something random instead of myself. It's also highly feasible that Caller gave them all safe claims as mass nameclaim is an obvious way to break the game.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 14:29 GMT

#1214

Wow that was pretty fail. too bad we can't edit.

anyway.

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"I was fishing"

"We need people to nameclaim..." etc

"I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name."

@Xelin: " I'll claim for real this time:

I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o
I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. "

"I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it.

I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them).

My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town."

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Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish.

The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. "

"Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious.

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And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling."

"Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too."

"I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms.""

@whoever said I was pushing for the other double claims: "Anyway, that's not important.
Night actions:
deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan.

How shall we go about this?"

I did so after explaining myself several times, so that's hardly "dodging" my situation.

"Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it.

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How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it."

"To bait someone into nameclaiming."

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Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc.
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tl;dr version: I did my fake claim to draw out another player's name. Simple as that. I chose a fairly random name, but one I thought would be in the game, based on what I knew from Wikipedia - which wasn't much. Credentials? Radfield already said I claimed to him beforehand - BrownBear hasn't said anything but he hasn't been active lately since he's been moving home from college. Maybe you should PM him to do so if it's that big of a deal to you.

Officially: I am Zhou Yu. I'm not going to roleclaim at this point, because that's retarded and I don't need to. Enough people know my role that we can make use of it.

Can we move on now? Or is there something else you want me to explain? Ask me directly, now, or else shut up and focus on the matter at hand, instead of going in circles with me.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 14:30 GMT

#1215

On May 24 2010 23:23 XeliN wrote:
Thats nice but it doesn't exactly constitute telling us your role.

Explain why I should tell you my role?

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 14:38 GMT

#1218

On May 24 2010 23:32 XeliN wrote:
Because once roles are open then they are still just as useful for the neutrals, but close to useless for the teams. No-one can use a night ability without it being linked to them. It means we can officially co-ordinate together as a town and in general it would make your long-ass explanatory posts that much more credible.

Roleclaim please, although if I am alone in thinking you should then there is no need to.

I'm already following what the town asks, just not directly. People have stated what they were doing for their night roles; I can base my night actions off that information.

Roleclaiming = "Hey recruit me" unless it's Meng Huo, or maybe even if it's Meng Huo.

I don't think roleclaiming would add any credibility to my explanations, especially to those who aren't even listening to what I'm saying.

Just like in regular mafia where roleclaiming makes you a target for night kill, roleclaiming here makes you a target for recruitment. The only reason why I would roleclaim would be if it would help the town somehow, which, at this point, I fail to see how it could - hence, I'm not going to roleclaim until I need to.

And my "long-ass explanatory posts" aren't even that long. The most recent one was a bunch of quotes of several explanatory posts where I repeat myself and try to satisfy Scamp with his saying that I haven't explained myself. It was supposed to be spoilered, but, eh. missed a tag somewhere.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 15:20 GMT

#1222

On May 25 2010 00:06 XeliN wrote:
Name claiming wouldn't be "hey recruit me" in fact not saying it is moreso as it is suggestive that you have a highly desirable role for the other factions. Roleclaiming would let the neutrals know more easily if you had become recruited. You argument for not claiming is poor and I am finding you quite the suspicious person.

The fact that apparently the only person you have told is Radfield is also odd.

Claimed to BB, he just hasn't been around

...like I said

And not roleclaiming wouldn't be a red flag to recruiters at all if you weren't trying to drag it out of me for no reason, yea? I see no one else concerned about what role I have, only my name and the drama around that. And even that has hardly been anyone except for Scamp/you. Why so eager to find my role?

On May 25 2010 00:12 Abenson wrote:
Since I want the neutrals to win right now, would it be okay to announce that I got recruited?

lol..

On May 25 2010 00:12 XeliN wrote:
Anyway the only credible argument for not roleclaiming is that you would become desirable to the other factions, and hopefully I have shown how that logic is faulty.

I've also outlined why roleclaming is beneficial, night actions cannot be anonymous, if we know your role then it is more easy to determine if you are acting for the neutrals benefit, and also it makes you less desriable for a team as they cannot use you or your night action without fear of being discovered.

Basically you do not currently have an argument as far as I can tell so what is your role?

My night actions aren't anonymous, since I'm held accountable by the people that know who I am and my role.

You're right that roleclaiming is beneficial in that way - but I've already done that and am already being useful to the town. Roleclaiming publicly to everyone at this point is still unnecessary.

My not roleclaiming is just me trying to keep the factions in the dark. As far as I'm concerned, the town knows who I am. The factions don't - it's one less role that they know about, and one less person they can skip over for a more desirable role.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 16:55 GMT

#1228

Falcynn is Sima Yi.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 17:48 GMT

#1230

I like that this game can progress because it has 1/4 into day 3 without night 2 info ^^.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 19:01 GMT

#1235

On May 25 2010 03:38 BrownBear wrote:
Also, dammit, Fishball. I may have not had time to switch my night action off of MyHeroNoob.

I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see.

What is time?

What time is it?

What day is it?

I wish I knew the answer to these questions.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 24 2010 19:25 GMT

#1237

On May 25 2010 04:20 LunarDestiny wrote:
Now should be Night 3

What. Day 3, isn't it.

I was saying that semi-sarcrastically, poking fun at Caller.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 02:24 GMT

#1282

On May 25 2010 11:16 Trezeguet23 wrote:
"But unfortunately for these idiots they haven't told me who I'm working for or anything other then I have been recruited for them."

lol you gave me how long to let you know??

nice, now we know that you are YT leader. ^^

Don't have to waste time wondering about that.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 02:25 GMT

#1283

ebwop:

did i just get ninja'd? lolol.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 02:42 GMT

#1287

An update:

1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies if he chooses lynch
~~2. Hesmyrr................Lu Xun - Action Blocker~~
3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao -
4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random
5. Scamp..................Guan Yu -
6. Ohn......................Pang Tong -
7. Falcynn................Sima Yi -
8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (none)
~~9. L...........................Sun Quan - Leader~~
10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - (NOT a night action cancel)
11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert
12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock
13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante
14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Role Cop (+YT)
15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao
16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (+Shu)
17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none)
~~18. Barth.................Diao Chan - ???~~
19. Trezequet23........ - YT Leader/Recruiter
20. Fishball...............?
21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - "something crappy"
~~22. Last Romantic....Cao Cao - Leader~~
23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu -
~~24. Jugan.................Zhang Fei -~~

Soon to die:
Trezequet23
Tricode
other YTs

Still out there:
Liu Bei

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 03:04 GMT

#1290

On May 25 2010 12:03 Fishball wrote:

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Did Caller already confirmed the rest of the YT's will die along side? Huge difference.

He didn't but.

...

that'd be pretty messed up if it wasn't like that. Anyway, found Trez's name - Zhang Jiao?

^^

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 15:46 GMT

#1376

On May 25 2010 19:44 Radfield wrote:
Nope nope nope. Sorry BM, I really don't like the plans you're throwing down. It smells of desperation, and it stinks. I'm inclined to trust Tricode's result for the moment, despite the fact that he got recruited. It fits that Trez is not neutral.

A few things we know, or likely know.

Trezguet is a YT with recruiting powers
BM is probably a YT
Tricode is a YT

Fishball is NOT a YT, but could be the green leader
BC in NOT a YT, but could be the green leader
Iaaan flipped neutral according to the alignment check

I'd love if the watcher could confirm who he watched last night and what happened, but only if it's pertinent info. So I'm going to assume that Abenson did not get recruited last night unless the watcher confirms otherwise.

So, we lynch Trez today, and if the rest of the YT gang is still around, Brownbear and Abenson kill the other two tonight. At the very least that gets rid of 3 YT members and significantly sets back their victory. We also have a host of investigative powers, and I think people worth checking out are BloodyC0bbler, Johnnyspazz, Scamp, Ohn, and Fishball(could still be green). Of course other people are likely green as well, but all we need to do is find the green leader. I would recommend the watcher watch Brownbear or myself to see if we get recuited.

Anything I'm missing? Any better suggestions as to how we clear all this up?

Some things to add:

Who did Abenson get recruited by? Green or YT? Cuz if he's green, then there's no way BC is green leader, since BC visited Jugan last night.

Yeah though.
Lynch Trez

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 16:13 GMT

#1382

I doubt that the rest of the YT will die with Trez.

And Tricode has admitted to being YT. Soooo.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 20:13 GMT

#1389

On May 26 2010 04:27 LunarDestiny wrote:
Damn there is too much confusion here and we only get to lynch one person per day...

I am now offering my one time use ability to town to clear this shit up.

As Xu Zhu, I have the ability to day kill once. Now discuss who should I go for given we agreed to lynch Trezguet23.

People you might consider killing:

Trez - YT (Zhang Jiao?): If you hit Trez now, we can make a more educated lynch (or can we... dunno how Caller's going to time this considering the last couple cycles -___-). Lynch is technically a day action, so I dunno if the two would go together. So from that perspective, might as well leave the lynch on Trez and kill someone else.

Abenson - Taishi Chi: If he flips green, we know BC isn't a leader for either of the remaining faction. Of course, he could just tell us that, but he doesn't seem to have been around/he could easily lie. Since his role - which is technically unconfirmed but strange enough that I don't think he would make it up - is useful, I probably wouldn't kill him.

Ohn - Pang Tong: Suspicious to me in an LR kind of way - hasn't really posted anything significant all game, except for his name, and saying he's been away and then lost his power. ez dodger. If you kill him, all we get is information, although, the way Caller's been playing it, we would only get his name (if his claim was fake) and possibly faction..

Falcynn- Sima Yi: Dude's gone quiet. Sup with that? He hasn't posted since just before Hesmyrr vs L. He'll probably claim busy with RL.

johnnyspazz - Zhang Liao: almost as inactive as Ohn. Impressive. He and Ohn are in the exact same boat, along with Falcynn (although Falcynn contributed a bit more)

Scamp - Guan Yu: Thinks everyone but himself is a liar, no matter what ^^.

BloodyCl0bber - Huang Gai: He's been inactive but not too inactive... suspicious for BC ^^.

MyHeroNoob - "Meng Huo": He claimed Meng Huo but then said he made it up.. and considering Fishball is also not Meng Huo then... uhhhh. He also posted recently in other TL threads but not here (he voted, but did not posted in the main thread).

TwoToneTerran - Ma Chao: he's definitely not a leader; who would counter claim my Ma Chao unless they were actually Ma Chao ^^. I think he's neutral, but that's just a personal feeling, he could easily be YT or green.

Well. There's my list. You could consider me, but I'm just your regular town-lovin' neutral who decided to fake claim to get some info.

Also note:
We have a full list of names, minus Fishball. People are lying about their names - try to think of which ones would be "most" fake.

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An update:

1. Bill Murray............Yuan Shao - dies as lyncher/bus driver
~~2. Hesmyrr................Lu Xun - Action Blocker~~
3. johnnyspazz ........Zhang Liao -
4. Radfield................Zhuge Liang - Random
5. Scamp..................Guan Yu -
6. Ohn......................Pang Tong -
7. Falcynn................Sima Yi -
8. Iaaan.....................Cao Pi - Successor if Recruited (none)
~~9. L...........................Sun Quan - Leader~~
10. BloodyCobbler.....Huang Gai - (NOT a night action cancel)
11. MyHeroNoob.......Meng Huo - Able to desert
12. Xelin...................Jian Wei - Roleblock
13. BrownBear..........Zhao Yun - Vigilante
14. Tricode................Lu Meng - Role Cop (+YT)
15. TwotoneTerran.....Ma Chao
16. Abenson.............Taishi Ci - Kills YTs (+Shu/YT)
17. ~Opz~................Lu Bu - lost his luver (none)
~~18. Barth.................Diao Chan - ???~~
19. Trezequet23........ - YT Leader/Recruiter
20. Fishball...............?
21. Lunardestiny.......Xu Zhu - Day Vigi
~~22. Last Romantic....Cao Cao - Leader~~
23. DarthThienAn......Zhou Yu -
~~24. Jugan.................Zhang Fei -~~

P.S. DayVigi is an awesome role =p, not something crappy.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 20:15 GMT

#1390

ebwop:

tl;dr version:

I'd go with one of the inactives (ohn, falcynn, johnnyspazz) or BC/MyHeroNoob. Might consider Scamp too, but he could just have trust issues and he's active enough that I wouldn't kill him just cuz like that.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 20:27 GMT

#1397

On May 26 2010 05:18 Bill Murray wrote:
just kill me and you'll see that you can trust me and that i am yt
the yt will not die with trez, he isn't the leader, he is one of the 2 they started with
the pm he sent me was sort of ambiguous on the recruitment from the brothers, and i have yet to have to vote for a recruit. i am certain that he is not the leader, though. kill me right now to prove that I am YT and am not lying to you all

It's too bad it doesn't work like that..

"This statement is false."

You are YT = you could be lying. We kill you, you flip YT, we still don't know whether or not what you said was a lie.

You are not YT, you claimed YT, said all this stuff = you lying.

Either way, you could be lying.

I forgot to include BM on my list, since all of that stuff happened today and the list was old. ^^.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

May 25 2010 20:40 GMT

#1404

On May 26 2010 05:36 LunarDestiny wrote:
I have class for the next 2 hours. Given Trezquet23 is to be lynched. I will day kill Scamp based on the quotes below. This is currently the best solution to maximize our information if I am seeing it correctly. Again, discuss if I am making the best possible choice or if there is another better choice out there.

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On May 25 2010 14:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Guys, I hate to break it to you, but I have an ability I have yet to mention except in passing.

On May 23 2010 20:30 Bill Murray wrote:

On May 23 2010 19:47 DarthThienAn wrote:
1. Bill Murray yuan shao
2. Hesmyrr Action Blocker Lu Xun
3. johnnyspazz Zhang Liao
4. Radfield Zhuge Liang
5. Scamp Guan Yu
6. Ohn
7. Falcynn Sima Yi
8. Iaaan Successor if Recruited Cao Pi
~~9. L Leader Sun Quan~~
10. BloodyCobbler Huang Gai
11. MyHeroNoob Able to desert Meng Huo
12. Xelin Roleblocking Jian Wei
13. BrownBear Vigilante Zhao Yun
14. Tricode Role Cop Lu Meng
15. TwotoneTerran Ma Chao
16. Abenson YT Killer Taishi Ci
17. ~Opz~ No Role Lu Bu
~~18. Barth ??? Diao Chan~~
19. Trezequet23 Kills any leader who tries to recruit him Cao Pi
20. Fishball Able to desert Meng Huo AND Qin Shi Huang
21. Lunardestiny Xu Zhu
~~22. Last Romantic Leader Cao Cao~~
23. DarthThienAn zhou yu
24. Jugan Zhang Fei

Let's hope this works.

remember to add my ability: if put into a fight I will most likely lose (bad general)
I also have another ability
I am going to bed, and have a class tomorrow for an hour at 5pm est

I am a busdriver. Last night, I bussed Trezequet23 with Scamp as a result of a plan I had with Jugan. Scamp must be the YT leader. I am affiliated with noone yet, or haven't been told that I've been recruited by Caller. You can kill me if you all don't trust me, as I am completely oblivious to caring the way this game has gone. I really want a neutral victory, so you can kill me to figure out that I'm not lying to you. We need to cut off the head of this beast by getting rid of Scamp. The only way that this should be wrong is if Scamp and Trez are both YT, but I'm 100% sure Scamp is the YT leader if the night has gone the way I am understanding it to have gone.

You all really really really need to believe me on this.

The way I've understood this to have gone they are both YT, but Scamp NOT Trez is the leader.

I don't mind you killing Scamp, but don't do it because of what BM said - he was roleblocked.

On May 26 2010 05:33 Bill Murray wrote:
but, as 5 or so of you are in Shu already, that's what you all want

Too bad that's impossible, since Shu has a maximum of 3 players right now including the leader, pretttty different from "5 or so".

A lot of what you've been saying is completely illogical BM... slow down -__-

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