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On May 05 2010 01:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 00:46 Falcynn wrote:
Although yeah, I kind of agree with not hitting Qatol with our CV yet... You see what I'm saying? -_- And dropping Korynne from his earlier list. Shit, I didn't even read the thread yet, before my picks.. Actually... Good point Falcynn. Let's see what role foolishness is. ## VoteKorynne ##He's claimed vanilla also, why isn't he a decent target....Other than sidesprang not talking. I truly don't care about sidesprang, I'll vote for him if I must, but I'm not going to be led like a sheep by someone that screams suspiciousness at me.
Clarification, I've read the thread since before this post...Just when I picked my role I didn't.
Eh....If that makes me suspicious, shove it. I'm townie. Kill me, all it proves is whoever picked compulsive AFTER me god it. Mafia couldn't picked med to protect from SK. What does it matter if they role block one mafia goon by accident? Does it stop the mafia night kill? Deny the town med? Pick dt's and deny the town confirmed townies? Seriously, so many possible options. Depends if the mafia wanted to be aggressive or defensive. Bill should be making alignment kits, but he makes a cell phone...fail right there home boy...
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On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote:
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.
You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.
Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who?
The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no?
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On May 05 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote:
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.
You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.
Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who? The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no?
If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense.
But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan.
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If someone was stupid enough to grab the copycat while being town-aligned, completely ignoring the town plan they'll probably be no help as whatever role they pick up. Therefore, im down with lynching sidesprang
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On May 05 2010 01:30 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote:On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote:
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.
You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.
Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who? The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no? If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan.
Homie...I picked compulsive vig without reading the thread.
As I did with my numbers...
Not that hard to believe, but Qatol could be lying....if he's lying and town aligned, he can only protect townies...if he's lying and scum, well...He won't be killing himself by protecting us, now will he. So consistent mafioso protection...
(had to hunt down how weak doctor worked)
Dunno if I agree killing Qatol is good yet...but lets wait a day if we must. I notice a lot of people stopped posting once the thread hit day time...-_-.
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On May 05 2010 01:42 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
If someone was stupid enough to grab the copycat while being town-aligned, completely ignoring the town plan they'll probably be no help as whatever role they pick up. Therefore, im down with lynching sidesprang
So you are saying you didn't take it either. Cool, more info.
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On May 05 2010 01:30 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote:On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote:
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.
You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.
Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who? The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no? If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan.
I don't care if "deserves it". Every single game there are bad town-aligned players who screw their team over, and it's too many of them to lynch the lot of them. That's just a sad fact.
What matters is what are our best options going forward. I like your reasoning a lot, which is why I voted for him. But can we do better?
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Yes. Confirming that I am outright stating that I did not take the copycat
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Radfield
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On May 05 2010 02:08 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 01:30 Radfield wrote:On May 05 2010 01:20 citi.zen wrote:On May 05 2010 01:01 Radfield wrote:
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.
You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.
Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who? The issue JeeJee brought up should be addressed: what if we lynch sidersprang and he turns out pro-town and copycat? Then we have... no leads and a dead medic. Everyone else could be telling the truth, no? If he did that then it was awfully anti-town. Qatol stated he was going for the copy-cat, why would another town player swipe it right before him instead of grabbing another useful role? It doesn't make any sense. But yeah, if he flops town aligned copy-cat that sucks, but he deserves it for screwing over the town plan. I don't care if "deserves it". Every single game there are bad town-aligned players who screw their team over, and it's too many of them to lynch the lot of them. That's just a sad fact. What matters is what are our best options going forward. I like your reasoning a lot, which is why I voted for him. But can we do better?
True enough, deserves is the wrong way to put it. More just that he's forced our hand.
I'm not sure if we can do better for now. But we need to decide on a CompVig hit as well. Without knowing how Sidespring will flip, I don't really have any suggestions, but hopefully someone else will.
@~opz~ I agree that lynching/hitting Qatol is not warranted. I don't think anyone thinks that's a good idea yet. When I mentioned him before, it was only for if Sidesprang turned out town and not CopyCat.
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Okay, it looks like there's a lot for me to address. Sorry everyone, I have been really sick (unable to sit up much less think straight), so my knowledge of what's happened is still on page 12. Let me go back and read everything and then I'll probably spend a few hours writing a super long post that only half of you will read.
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Zona, Opz isn't showing up in the archive. Probably a typo somewhere in your code.
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Copy Cat - You start off with no powers. However once the first power role dies you get an exact copy of their role.
d3_crescentia (pro town Weak Doctor) has been found dead.
don't worry about the copy-cat, obvious weak doctor
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what im saying is who gives a fuck who took that role? that was a terrible choice for someone to have picked really early. i am much more worried about who took bulletproof.
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On May 05 2010 05:01 Bill Murray wrote:
what im saying is who gives a fuck who took that role? that was a terrible choice for someone to have picked really early. i am much more worried about who took bulletproof.
And I am not worried about bulletproof at all. Why does the town care? We kill during the day. When bulletproof doesn't do anything.
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Radfield (and everyone else discussing things along the same lines as him) - I agree sidesprang's lack of posts are a detriment to his town and the 4 posts he has are fishy, and if we go with what Qatol has claimed, it's possible sidesprang has picked copy cat. But everything else you are doing - I don't like it. You say you are not in favor of outing all the roles. But as a consequence of your posts and actions, we now have a set of what are probably serious role claims from more than half the players in the game.
First of all - what does the mafia not know about the game? The mafia doesn't know who has what roles, and the mafia doesn't know who the serial killer is. So the town shouldn't help mafia figure out who has what roles - I've been saying this all game. So I've been saying that town members shouldn't claim their roles.
But you know what? If town members lie about their roles - that's good, too. This is the ONLY aspect in which I think it's good for town members to lie - every other type of lie by town members usually muddles the picture and is detrimental to the town, but lying about your role - the thing that mafia doesn't know and wants to know - that's useful for the town.
You are trying to pin down which of the people at Qatol's position in the draft order and above is lying about their role - but identifying liars (about roles) does NOT identify mafia! I reiterate - if you catch someone lying about almost everything else in the game, that might be a sign of mafia - but lying about your role is one thing town members likely SHOULD DO! I wish that a lot of the "vanilla" claims that have come out really are lies! But I have a bad feeling they aren't, due to the way things have played out.
In fact - your push for everyone to come clean with their role does NOT identify mafia (because liars about roles aren't necessarily mafia) but also make it clearer to the mafia who has what roles, if they can discern who is lying. I'm really unhappy with what's transpired. Especially now that one pro-town doctor has been killed, and the other doctor in unknown hands with unknown sanity, it's probably now a lot easier for the mafia and the serial killer to pick off the targets they choose.
(The only time a mass roleclaim is useful for town, in my opinion, is when the town is on the verge of losing and has no concrete information - then that's the time you expect honest roleclaims from every town member and hope to catch mafia and the serial killer lying. But this is a desperation move by the town, not something you should be doing mid game!)
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On May 05 2010 04:40 Qatol wrote:
Zona, Opz isn't showing up in the archive. Probably a typo somewhere in your code.
Fixed...his name has a capital Z...sigh.
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Bill Murray - I don't know what you're planning to do tonight - but you may want to consider citi.zen's suggestion that you put together alignment-only DT kits. I'm not sure what you were planning to do with a cell phone but it doesn't seem like it would be a tool that would confirm either you or whoever you gave it to, nor do I see how it would find scum. If your plan bears fruit on day 4 - keep in mind you might not survive that long, and perhaps by the time we get to that day the town is already in a desperate situation.
Please take what I say as a suggestion, and don't automatically think that someone is scummy because they don't agree with your plan. Perhaps sometimes town members can genuinely fail to see how your plan will lead them to victory, and perhaps they think that the plan they suggest offers a better chance of success.
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I will go along with a sidesprang lynch if no better targets appear in the hours leading up to deadline - but the entire followup plan on how some player above him might be lying and thus mafia - I do not buy and will not endorse nor follow.
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On May 05 2010 05:04 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 05:01 Bill Murray wrote:
what im saying is who gives a fuck who took that role? that was a terrible choice for someone to have picked really early. i am much more worried about who took bulletproof. And I am not worried about bulletproof at all. Why does the town care? We kill during the day. When bulletproof doesn't do anything.
what about if:
1) if i give away a gun that night vigs
2) if foolishness is pro-town
3) not sure about meth man
4) jack of all trades
these are scenarios where that player that took bulletproof as mafia would put a dent in our plan
you are more concerned about a weak doctor than this?
weak doctor is like hit or miss
bulletproof is 100% unless it's SK afaik
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On May 05 2010 05:13 Zona wrote:
Bill Murray - I don't know what you're planning to do tonight - but you may want to consider citi.zen's suggestion that you put together alignment-only DT kits. I'm not sure what you were planning to do with a cell phone but it doesn't seem like it would be a tool that would confirm either you or whoever you gave it to, nor do I see how it would find scum. If your plan bears fruit on day 4 - keep in mind you might not survive that long, and perhaps by the time we get to that day the town is already in a desperate situation.
Please take what I say as a suggestion, and don't automatically think that someone is scummy because they don't agree with your plan. Perhaps sometimes town members can genuinely fail to see how your plan will lead them to victory, and perhaps they think that the plan they suggest offers a better chance of success.
you worry about you
i'll worry about me
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