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Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 14:46 GMT
#381
This is all in addition to Jeejee's other somewhat shady posting that Bill Murray alluded to earlier. The only thing in JeeJee's favor right now is that he picked the same number as Sidesprang, which makes it unlikely for them to both be mafia. If Sidesprang flops green, then barring further info, I propose we lynch JeeJee as well. Just another reason to DayVig Sidesprang, so we can focus our CompVig shot better.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 04 2010 14:47 GMT
#382
On May 04 2010 23:40 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote:
now that we know this..

# Bill Murray	inventor
# Foolishness comp vig
# Korynne VANILLA
# Falcynn VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes ROLE
# ~Opz~ VANILLA
# d3_crescentia MEDIC
# Caller VANILLA
# sidesprang ?
# Qatol VANILLA


let me add a piece of it as well
# JeeJee VANILLA

i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here

so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight?



Hold on Jeejee, you're claiming VANILLA?? If so, what did you try to pick? Because if you didn't pick copycat, and it would be strange for you to go for CompVig or Inventor, then you must have picked Hobbes' role.

Despite my previous posts, I'm not in favor of outing all the roles. But this is too juicy because we can catch one of Jeejee or Hobbes in a lie possibly.

If Jeejee claims what he picked, and Hobbes reveals that he doesn't have that role, then one of them is lying, and we just found another mafia(or SK perhaps, either is good). And Jeejee if you claim to have picked Inventor or Compvig, I would find it highly suspicious, given all our plans of taking those two roles first, and you picking 11th.

So Jeejee, WHAT ROLE DID YOU TRY FOR??? and Hobbes, IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH???

We can find out some info here folks.

Or sidersprang took it and Qatol lied. Or another vanilla role claimant lied.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 14:48 GMT
#383
On May 04 2010 23:45 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote:
now that we know this..

# Bill Murray	inventor
# Foolishness comp vig
# Korynne VANILLA
# Falcynn VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes ROLE
# ~Opz~ VANILLA
# d3_crescentia MEDIC
# Caller VANILLA
# sidesprang ?
# Qatol VANILLA


let me add a piece of it as well
# JeeJee VANILLA

i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here

so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight?

OK, so someone who declared vanilla lied and took the role you had chosen. I continue to like Korynne as a red, but Could be anyone really. Caller is not offering anything, as usual - I would be comfortable asking Foolishness to hit him.



Caller is Dead.

Korynne claimed that either Foolishness or BM took CompVig, which is very risky if she's lying, as there was a decent chance that neither of them took it.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 04 2010 14:48 GMT
#384
LOL - yes, that he is.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 04 2010 14:54 GMT
#385
On May 04 2010 23:46 Radfield wrote:
This is all in addition to Jeejee's other somewhat shady posting that Bill Murray alluded to earlier. The only thing in JeeJee's favor right now is that he picked the same number as Sidesprang, which makes it unlikely for them to both be mafia. If Sidesprang flops green, then barring further info, I propose we lynch JeeJee as well. Just another reason to DayVig Sidesprang, so we can focus our CompVig shot better.


for the record, caller, sidesprang, qatol and myself numbers were the same

would be pretty friggin' stupid for mafia to do this, n'est pas?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 14:56 GMT
#386
On May 04 2010 23:47 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 23:40 Radfield wrote:
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote:
now that we know this..

# Bill Murray	inventor
# Foolishness comp vig
# Korynne VANILLA
# Falcynn VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes ROLE
# ~Opz~ VANILLA
# d3_crescentia MEDIC
# Caller VANILLA
# sidesprang ?
# Qatol VANILLA


let me add a piece of it as well
# JeeJee VANILLA

i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here

so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight?



Hold on Jeejee, you're claiming VANILLA?? If so, what did you try to pick? Because if you didn't pick copycat, and it would be strange for you to go for CompVig or Inventor, then you must have picked Hobbes' role.

Despite my previous posts, I'm not in favor of outing all the roles. But this is too juicy because we can catch one of Jeejee or Hobbes in a lie possibly.

If Jeejee claims what he picked, and Hobbes reveals that he doesn't have that role, then one of them is lying, and we just found another mafia(or SK perhaps, either is good). And Jeejee if you claim to have picked Inventor or Compvig, I would find it highly suspicious, given all our plans of taking those two roles first, and you picking 11th.

So Jeejee, WHAT ROLE DID YOU TRY FOR??? and Hobbes, IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH???

We can find out some info here folks.

Or sidersprang took it and Qatol lied. Or another vanilla role claimant lied.



Yes, but all of these options lead us back towards the same people. Finding out that someone has lied is great. And if someone HAS lied, then Jeejee telling us what role he went for will tell us what the liars role is. Which means a role cop will be able to deduce alignment.

If we find out JeeJee went for the Jack, and that Hobbes is not the Jack, then we know the liar IS the Jack and that the mafia has the Jack. Or that Jeejee is the Jack. Because it's unlikely Jeejee will claim a role that he doesn't have, because someone below him might have it, and he would be outed. But this all first depends on what Hobbes says, and what color Sidesprang flops.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 14:58 GMT
#387
On May 04 2010 23:54 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 23:46 Radfield wrote:
This is all in addition to Jeejee's other somewhat shady posting that Bill Murray alluded to earlier. The only thing in JeeJee's favor right now is that he picked the same number as Sidesprang, which makes it unlikely for them to both be mafia. If Sidesprang flops green, then barring further info, I propose we lynch JeeJee as well. Just another reason to DayVig Sidesprang, so we can focus our CompVig shot better.


for the record, caller, sidesprang, qatol and myself numbers were the same

would be pretty friggin' stupid for mafia to do this, n'est pas?



Of course it would, that's why I pointed that out....

Mind you no one is completely cleared just because they share a number with a mafia. It's not all that difficult a piece of double-think to just pick the same number.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 04 2010 14:58 GMT
#388
Ok, we have 4 vanilla role claimants + Hobbes + sidersprang, one of which lied if JeeJee is telling the truth.

We should lynch sidersprang, as discussed. I'd like to keep Qatol around. Hitting Hobbes is risky if he has a good role and is pro-town. Leaving us with Korynne, Falcynn and ~Opz~ to use the compulsive vigilante hit on.

I will vote to compulsive vig hit Korynne out of that group.

And no, I still don't like using he day vig. No reason to speed up the killing on poor information. Let's wait for the lynch flop and save the day vig hit for a time we have more info.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 04 2010 15:04 GMT
#389
hold on citizen. why would hobbes or sidesprang have lied? assuming all vanilla claism are true,it's still entirely possible one of them is copycat and the other one is my role
it still works out. of course that doesn't mean they're not mafia but in actuality my role probably isn't that desirable for mafia (and figuring they were closer to the top i'd have a better chance of getting this one) so that's another thing to keep in mind.

i'm thinking atm.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
May 04 2010 15:11 GMT
#390
You are right. Back to the drawing board.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 15:11 GMT
#391
On May 04 2010 23:58 citi.zen wrote:
Ok, we have 4 vanilla role claimants + Hobbes + sidersprang, one of which lied if JeeJee is telling the truth.

We should lynch sidersprang, as discussed. I'd like to keep Qatol around. Hitting Hobbes is risky if he has a good role and is pro-town. Leaving us with Korynne, Falcynn and ~Opz~ to use the compulsive vigilante hit on.

I will vote to compulsive vig hit Korynne out of that group.

And no, I still don't like using he day vig. No reason to speed up the killing on poor information. Let's wait for the lynch flop and save the day vig hit for a time we have more info.



I agree in theory, except for if Hobbes is the DayVig. The medic is going to protect either BM or Foolishness, which leaves Hobbes hanging as an exceptionally juicy target, with his 'fun role'. Now with all the discussion around this, there is the possibiliy of the medic protecting hobbes, so the mafia might not hit him after all. Around and around we go....

I still think we should use the DayVig hit, it's very useful right now, and thats as good as we can ask. Either we get a mafia, or we hit a townie and have very good targets for our lynch + CompVig.

If we don't use the DayVig hit, what do we learn from hitting Korynne? If she flops vanilla town it means that Foolishness is for sure the CV. If she flops mafia with a special power(not CV) it means foolishness is almost certainly mafia. Because she would never claim to have tried to get CV without knowing for sure that the CV was taken in front of her.

BUT! It would be very unlikely for the mafia to double up numbers on 1, 1. And that's exactly what would have happened for Korynne and Foolishness to both be mafia. For this reason, I don't think Korynne is mafia, as the story doesn't quite fit.

I'd like to hear from Jeejee about his role, and hobbes confirming or denying, before deciding on the CompVig hit
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 04 2010 15:36 GMT
#392
On May 04 2010 21:08 Radfield wrote:
OK, no excuses for not voting today folks.

Looking through the thread, an obvious target has emerged. However, I'm assuming that no one has blatently lied so far about their role. Even if that's the case, we will quickly be able to find the liar. So for the moment I'm going to treat everyone's comments about themselves as FACTS.

Facts: d3 and caller are dead
Facts: Qatal, Korynne, Opz and possibly Falcynn(he's been a touch ambiguous) have no role
Facts: Bill Murray is the Inventor and therefore Foolishness is the CompVig
Facts: Someone took Copy Cat before Qatol, this person is likely mafia.
Facts: Hobbes has a "fun, fun role", probably not Copy Cat,

# Bill Murray - Inventor
# Foolishness - CompVig
# Korynne - VANILLA
# Falcynn - VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes - Fun Role(Not Copy Cat)
# ~Opz~ - VANILLA
# d3_crescentia - DEAD(Medic)
# Caller - DEAD(VANILLA)
# sidesprang - ?????Copy Cat?????????
# Qatol - VANILLA

Assuming these are all facts, we've just found a mafia! Of course, these are not facts, and someone could be lying. But this gives us a great place to start.

Lets assume we lynch Sidesprang, 1 of 2 things happen:
1. He is anti-town. HOORAY!
2. He is pro-town. WHOOPS

If he is pro-town, all of a sudden the finger has to be pointed elsewhere:

1. Qatol: He's lying about someone else claiming Copy Cat
2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn
2a Both Korynne and Opz claimed they tried for CompVig(this situation needs to be analyzed closer) but it lends a tad of credibility.
2b Falcynn wishy washily claimed VANILLA without actually doing it
3 Hobbes actually took Copy Cat and then posted as a "fun role" to allay suspicion. This seems least likely; being high up in the draft he had no need to take Copy Cat.


I think this is a great place to start. If I've made a mistake up to now someone please point it out.

So, with Sidesprang as a suspect, lets look at his posting history

Show nested quote +
On May 02 2010 00:31 sidesprang wrote:
As i see no reason to not tell my number i picked 6 1(damn you qatol ). My reasoning is simple. Not to high not to low. Kinda trying to figure out what to pick, as since im so late a pick i kinda just want to get something, i dont get any of the really cool ones anyways.

As to guessing what numbers the mafia picked, and apply some logic behind it, i think it would problably be as hard as to get a succesfull day 1 lynch. Atleast untill we catch one of the mafias


Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 11:26 sidesprang wrote:
What we need to do is have a game plan.

Vote on who the compulsive vigilante should kill, forces a mafia CV to play on our terms or look scummy. A doctor can also block this kill if we feel its needed. Many ppl have supported this idea and there is no drawback in using it.

Decide what the inventor should invent, its hard to keep tabs on the inventor but that role is far to powerful to be left completely alone. And since the day post tells us what is invented we can figure out if he is lying. Bulletproof vests sounds awesome, our strength is numbers and reducing hits is a good thing. We should NOT talk about who should get the vests imo as that only makes the mafia not hit that guy.

As for who to lynch is there a vote thread or do we just write it like qatol did ? if so

## vote : Amnesia

if you check his post he made one post right after getting our alignment and one post right after getting our role where he said nothing of worth. Seems like he follows the game but won't say anything. Might not be too fishy but I don't know what else to go after at this point.


Hmm, only two posts of any substance, and only 4 posts the entire thread. Both posts read like scum if you ask me. First post has a lot of words but little substance. Second post is mainly regurgitated obvious pro-town stuff, with a vote for the most inactive person. Also, Amnesia does NOT look fishy, he looks inactive.

Now whether you are or are not Mafia Sidesprang, your actions and the claims of others paint you out to be one.

Once again, this is a starting point folks.

##Vote Sidesprang ##


Your trying to hard. Copy Cat could wind up being a fun role.
Crappy role to pick early on though so....-_-
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 04 2010 15:38 GMT
#393
##Vote Radfield ##

I have a bad feeling about this guy....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 04 2010 15:44 GMT
#394
On May 04 2010 21:43 Radfield wrote:
Just remembered we need to vote on Comp Vig hits as well. We all know who the CV is, so please play along Foolishness. There's no point in hiding it anymore, if I can figure it out, anyone can. If you are NOT the CV Foolishness, you need to let us know, because that pegs Korynne as a liar. (Again, I'm running on the assumption that Bill is Inventor, which is highly likely at this point, and would be extremely risky for him to claim it if he's not)

Originally I was going to propose ~opz~ or Falycnn. As I thought they would be most likely to be lying about CopyCat if Sidespring flips green, but looking closer I don't think it likely that either are lying. I really believe that Sidesprang WILL flip red, and at this point I think if he flips green we hit Qatol. BUT, I don't think we should hit Qatol until we find out Sidesprang's alignment. Which means we shouldn't use our CompVig hit on Qatol.

Honestly, I don't think Qatol is mafia either at this point. If the Day Vig hit Sidesprang today, that would make this easier. If Sidesprang flips green, we start hitting the people who claimed VANILLA. Worse case we kill VANILLA townies, best case we hit mafia. If Sidesprang flips red, we celebrate and move on.

Obivously we don't want to waste our DayVig, but this seems like a decent time to use it. If people disagree please voice it. However, our DayVig is likely near the top of the list, which means they might not live long anyways. Hobbes, I think you're the DayVig, and I also think it likely you will be targeted soon. You're one of the few people at the top of the list who has a role. You are not the Inventor or CV so you won't get medic protection. Lastly, you claimed a 'fun, fun role' which makes you a mafia target. I'm kinda hoping you actually chose Meth Man and then posted 'fun, fun role' in an effort to get yourself hit by mafia. If so you're awesome. But if not, you need to use you're ability while you still can.

Please speak up people, I think my reasoning here is sound, but I'm open to other suggestions.


"Oh I thought opz or Falcynn"....What? No...I posted what happened with my shit, before reading the thread. Go check it out. Me and d3 picked the exact same numbers...-_-
You can't prove I'm lying, unless you can RC...and I don't think your RCing me, but feel free to. Bill, give me a phone, I don't care. Hell...Give me a T.V. that reveals my role to the world.
And stop saying CV should hit Qatol flat out. Notice Caller was killed? Clearly they want our vets. -__-
Not that I really care about Qatol, but protecting him, and adding time to the game would be nice.

Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
May 04 2010 15:45 GMT
#395
On May 05 2010 00:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
##Vote Radfield ##

I have a bad feeling about this guy....

So do I to an extent, but that's not really enough reason to lynch him, especially now. His plan actually makes sense, if we lynch sidesprang, we'll have some info on whether or not the people above him are telling the truth with their claims (and I'm sure that you guys are experienced enough to know the whole "lynch all liars" strategy). Lynching Radfield now doesn't do anything, it's not like we'll lower the mafia KP by getting him, and he's so far down the list that it's unlikely that he has a really powerful role. We have plenty of time to get people based on suspicions like this, but right now let's just work on getting information based on roles since that's the best lead we've been given.
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
May 04 2010 15:46 GMT
#396
Although yeah, I kind of agree with not hitting Qatol with our CV yet...
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
May 04 2010 15:48 GMT
#397
On May 04 2010 22:48 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 22:33 citi.zen wrote:
2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn

This possibility is pretty bothersome - we may learn less than advertised by lynching Sidersprang. That said, I would like to hear more from Qatol, he's sort of gone dormant after being very active early on.



More importantly Citizen, Are you going to vote Sidesprang?

We learn a lot more with him than anyone else at the moment. If he flips green, we KNOW someone has lied and we have the likely candidates of ~opz~, Qatol and Falcynn.

Think about it though, Sidesprang is the perfect distance down to pick CopyCat. Not high enough to get a great role, and just high enough to beat out Qatol. The perfect spot to take that pick if you're mafia and have 4 slots.


And you just SO KINDLY drop Korynne from your own list and leave me Qatol and Falcynn up there. Very nice, very nice. I'm curious as to what you pop now....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
May 04 2010 16:01 GMT
#398
Wow Opz, I thought I was being clear in my posts, but obviously not. Did you skim read? Also, yes I try hard. I'm not sure why people sign-up if they're going to half-ass it.

You keep stating things as if I haven't given a clear reason for each of the things I put forward. I explained why I left Korynne off the list, I specifically said we should NOT use our CV hit on Qatol, I made a good case for Sidesprang which you casually brushed aside because..... well, no reason.

Don't get all defensive about me putting your name out there, try to see why I put it out there. If Sidesprang flops green SOMEONE IS LYING. Surely you agree that we should try to figure out who?
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
May 04 2010 16:02 GMT
#399
On May 05 2010 00:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 21:43 Radfield wrote:
Just remembered we need to vote on Comp Vig hits as well. We all know who the CV is, so please play along Foolishness. There's no point in hiding it anymore, if I can figure it out, anyone can. If you are NOT the CV Foolishness, you need to let us know, because that pegs Korynne as a liar. (Again, I'm running on the assumption that Bill is Inventor, which is highly likely at this point, and would be extremely risky for him to claim it if he's not)

Originally I was going to propose ~opz~ or Falycnn. As I thought they would be most likely to be lying about CopyCat if Sidespring flips green, but looking closer I don't think it likely that either are lying. I really believe that Sidesprang WILL flip red, and at this point I think if he flips green we hit Qatol. BUT, I don't think we should hit Qatol until we find out Sidesprang's alignment. Which means we shouldn't use our CompVig hit on Qatol.

Honestly, I don't think Qatol is mafia either at this point. If the Day Vig hit Sidesprang today, that would make this easier. If Sidesprang flips green, we start hitting the people who claimed VANILLA. Worse case we kill VANILLA townies, best case we hit mafia. If Sidesprang flips red, we celebrate and move on.

Obivously we don't want to waste our DayVig, but this seems like a decent time to use it. If people disagree please voice it. However, our DayVig is likely near the top of the list, which means they might not live long anyways. Hobbes, I think you're the DayVig, and I also think it likely you will be targeted soon. You're one of the few people at the top of the list who has a role. You are not the Inventor or CV so you won't get medic protection. Lastly, you claimed a 'fun, fun role' which makes you a mafia target. I'm kinda hoping you actually chose Meth Man and then posted 'fun, fun role' in an effort to get yourself hit by mafia. If so you're awesome. But if not, you need to use you're ability while you still can.

Please speak up people, I think my reasoning here is sound, but I'm open to other suggestions.


"Oh I thought opz or Falcynn"....What? No...I posted what happened with my shit, before reading the thread. Go check it out. Me and d3 picked the exact same numbers...-_-
You can't prove I'm lying, unless you can RC...and I don't think your RCing me, but feel free to. Bill, give me a phone, I don't care. Hell...Give me a T.V. that reveals my role to the world.
And stop saying CV should hit Qatol flat out. Notice Caller was killed? Clearly they want our vets. -__-
Not that I really care about Qatol, but protecting him, and adding time to the game would be nice.



One of the kills had to be SK =[. But that's a good point, that we lost two vets. I don't see where he suggested hitting Qatol "flat out" though.

On May 05 2010 00:45 Falcynn wrote:
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On May 05 2010 00:38 ~OpZ~ wrote:
##Vote Radfield ##

I have a bad feeling about this guy....

So do I to an extent, but that's not really enough reason to lynch him, especially now. His plan actually makes sense, if we lynch sidesprang, we'll have some info on whether or not the people above him are telling the truth with their claims (and I'm sure that you guys are experienced enough to know the whole "lynch all liars" strategy). Lynching Radfield now doesn't do anything, it's not like we'll lower the mafia KP by getting him, and he's so far down the list that it's unlikely that he has a really powerful role. We have plenty of time to get people based on suspicions like this, but right now let's just work on getting information based on roles since that's the best lead we've been given.


With 3 possible kills each night (mafia, CV, SK) and the random 1 or 2, and a daily lynch, we're only going to have 4 to 6 turns total I think. And most of the night kills with hit town. So we have to play this right, and hit a mafia ASAP.
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On May 05 2010 00:46 Falcynn wrote:
Although yeah, I kind of agree with not hitting Qatol with our CV yet...

You see what I'm saying? -_-
And dropping Korynne from his earlier list. Shit, I didn't even read the thread yet, before my picks..

Actually...

Good point Falcynn. Let's see what role foolishness is.

## VoteKorynne ##

He's claimed vanilla also, why isn't he a decent target....Other than sidesprang not talking. I truly don't care about sidesprang, I'll vote for him if I must, but I'm not going to be led like a sheep by someone that screams suspiciousness at me.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
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