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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
LOL peter is d3_crescentia's name so this is an A and B conversation, and you can C your way out of it. Jeez i'm playing badly. I knew I should have given that to scamp!!! hahahaha | ||
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Zona
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I'll read/post about the game later. I'm tired from watching proleague. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Looking through the thread, an obvious target has emerged. However, I'm assuming that no one has blatently lied so far about their role. Even if that's the case, we will quickly be able to find the liar. So for the moment I'm going to treat everyone's comments about themselves as FACTS. Facts: d3 and caller are dead Facts: Qatal, Korynne, Opz and possibly Falcynn(he's been a touch ambiguous) have no role Facts: Bill Murray is the Inventor and therefore Foolishness is the CompVig Facts: Someone took Copy Cat before Qatol, this person is likely mafia. Facts: Hobbes has a "fun, fun role", probably not Copy Cat, # Bill Murray - Inventor # Foolishness - CompVig # Korynne - VANILLA # Falcynn - VANILLA # [NyC]HoBbes - Fun Role(Not Copy Cat) # ~Opz~ - VANILLA # d3_crescentia - DEAD(Medic) # Caller - DEAD(VANILLA) # sidesprang - ?????Copy Cat????????? # Qatol - VANILLA Assuming these are all facts, we've just found a mafia! Of course, these are not facts, and someone could be lying. But this gives us a great place to start. Lets assume we lynch Sidesprang, 1 of 2 things happen: 1. He is anti-town. HOORAY! 2. He is pro-town. WHOOPS If he is pro-town, all of a sudden the finger has to be pointed elsewhere: 1. Qatol: He's lying about someone else claiming Copy Cat 2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn 2a Both Korynne and Opz claimed they tried for CompVig(this situation needs to be analyzed closer) but it lends a tad of credibility. 2b Falcynn wishy washily claimed VANILLA without actually doing it 3 Hobbes actually took Copy Cat and then posted as a "fun role" to allay suspicion. This seems least likely; being high up in the draft he had no need to take Copy Cat. I think this is a great place to start. If I've made a mistake up to now someone please point it out. So, with Sidesprang as a suspect, lets look at his posting history On May 02 2010 00:31 sidesprang wrote: As i see no reason to not tell my number i picked 6 1(damn you qatol ). My reasoning is simple. Not to high not to low. Kinda trying to figure out what to pick, as since im so late a pick i kinda just want to get something, i dont get any of the really cool ones anyways. As to guessing what numbers the mafia picked, and apply some logic behind it, i think it would problably be as hard as to get a succesfull day 1 lynch. Atleast untill we catch one of the mafias On May 03 2010 11:26 sidesprang wrote: What we need to do is have a game plan. Vote on who the compulsive vigilante should kill, forces a mafia CV to play on our terms or look scummy. A doctor can also block this kill if we feel its needed. Many ppl have supported this idea and there is no drawback in using it. Decide what the inventor should invent, its hard to keep tabs on the inventor but that role is far to powerful to be left completely alone. And since the day post tells us what is invented we can figure out if he is lying. Bulletproof vests sounds awesome, our strength is numbers and reducing hits is a good thing. We should NOT talk about who should get the vests imo as that only makes the mafia not hit that guy. As for who to lynch is there a vote thread or do we just write it like qatol did ? if so ## vote : Amnesia if you check his post he made one post right after getting our alignment and one post right after getting our role where he said nothing of worth. Seems like he follows the game but won't say anything. Might not be too fishy but I don't know what else to go after at this point. Hmm, only two posts of any substance, and only 4 posts the entire thread. Both posts read like scum if you ask me. First post has a lot of words but little substance. Second post is mainly regurgitated obvious pro-town stuff, with a vote for the most inactive person. Also, Amnesia does NOT look fishy, he looks inactive. Now whether you are or are not Mafia Sidesprang, your actions and the claims of others paint you out to be one. Once again, this is a starting point folks. ##Vote Sidesprang ## | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On May 04 2010 20:55 Zona wrote: Archive broke...I don't know what's wrong. If I can't fix it I might have to go back to the inferior, older version. I'll read/post about the game later. I'm tired from watching proleague. Bill's 8? posts in a row broke it~ | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Originally I was going to propose ~opz~ or Falycnn. As I thought they would be most likely to be lying about CopyCat if Sidespring flips green, but looking closer I don't think it likely that either are lying. I really believe that Sidesprang WILL flip red, and at this point I think if he flips green we hit Qatol. BUT, I don't think we should hit Qatol until we find out Sidesprang's alignment. Which means we shouldn't use our CompVig hit on Qatol. Honestly, I don't think Qatol is mafia either at this point. If the Day Vig hit Sidesprang today, that would make this easier. If Sidesprang flips green, we start hitting the people who claimed VANILLA. Worse case we kill VANILLA townies, best case we hit mafia. If Sidesprang flips red, we celebrate and move on. Obivously we don't want to waste our DayVig, but this seems like a decent time to use it. If people disagree please voice it. However, our DayVig is likely near the top of the list, which means they might not live long anyways. Hobbes, I think you're the DayVig, and I also think it likely you will be targeted soon. You're one of the few people at the top of the list who has a role. You are not the Inventor or CV so you won't get medic protection. Lastly, you claimed a 'fun, fun role' which makes you a mafia target. I'm kinda hoping you actually chose Meth Man and then posted 'fun, fun role' in an effort to get yourself hit by mafia. If so you're awesome. But if not, you need to use you're ability while you still can. Please speak up people, I think my reasoning here is sound, but I'm open to other suggestions. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
2. Someone who claimed Vanilla is lying: Korynne, Opz or Falcynn This possibility is pretty bothersome - we may learn less than advertised by lynching Sidersprang. That said, I would like to hear more from Qatol, he's sort of gone dormant after being very active early on. I really wish Bill would have just made detective kits or something to that effect. Remember Zona's observation about town win rates when the DT is dead/alive. In this case the role-picked DT may not be sane... so a plain vanilla Dt would be hugely helpful. Nothing will give us clearer information right now. Town circles CAN be effective IF there is decent information to provide some minimum amount of trust/information (ie - a detective). Also, town circles can easily be infiltrated with this set of rules and, in this case, they will take way too long to set-up. How exactly was the cell phone supposed to work anyway? Does the "other" person need one too or can you PM anyone? Some other way? | ||
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citi.zen
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 04 2010 22:33 citi.zen wrote: This possibility is pretty bothersome - we may learn less than advertised by lynching Sidersprang. That said, I would like to hear more from Qatol, he's sort of gone dormant after being very active early on. More importantly Citizen, Are you going to vote Sidesprang? We learn a lot more with him than anyone else at the moment. If he flips green, we KNOW someone has lied and we have the likely candidates of ~opz~, Qatol and Falcynn. Think about it though, Sidesprang is the perfect distance down to pick CopyCat. Not high enough to get a great role, and just high enough to beat out Qatol. The perfect spot to take that pick if you're mafia and have 4 slots. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On May 04 2010 21:08 Radfield wrote: 2b Falcynn wishy washily claimed VANILLA without actually doing it Alright, I guess I should clearly state, I'm a vanilla townie. I decided not to make mention of it since . Was preparing for/doing this on Friday/Saturday http://www.filmracing.com/Cities/sanfrancisco.htm and missed the role claims because of it. I'll make a blog of it Thursday night/Friday since we're not allowed to upload our video until after the screening (yeah, this is really more to just get attention for my future blog post then to actually explain myself  )Anyways, as for lynching sidesprang, you're logic seems pretty sound, I guess at this point with all the information that's been gathered, it'd be nice to make sure whether or not everyone at the top of the list has been telling the truth about their roles. If we can get a day vig hit then that might help, although I'm not sure if we'd be able to figure out another lynch target and pile the votes on them in time. It'd suck to essentially waste a day vig hit by not getting the lynch to add to it =/ | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
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Falcynn
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On May 04 2010 22:48 Radfield wrote: More importantly Citizen, Are you going to vote Sidesprang? We learn a lot more with him than anyone else at the moment. If he flips green, we KNOW someone has lied and we have the likely candidates of ~opz~, Qatol and Falcynn. Think about it though, Sidesprang is the perfect distance down to pick CopyCat. Not high enough to get a great role, and just high enough to beat out Qatol. The perfect spot to take that pick if you're mafia and have 4 slots. Yup, at the end of the day some information is better than no information, so lynching him helps more than some other shot in the dark. Too early to have very strong red candidates anyway. Let's do it. ##Vote Sidesprang ## | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 04 2010 22:52 Falcynn wrote: Alright, I guess I should clearly state, I'm a vanilla townie. I decided not to make mention of it since . Was preparing for/doing this on Friday/Saturday http://www.filmracing.com/Cities/sanfrancisco.htm and missed the role claims because of it. I'll make a blog of it Thursday night/Friday since we're not allowed to upload our video until after the screening (yeah, this is really more to just get attention for my future blog post then to actually explain myself )Anyways, as for lynching sidesprang, you're logic seems pretty sound, I guess at this point with all the information that's been gathered, it'd be nice to make sure whether or not everyone at the top of the list has been telling the truth about their roles. If we can get a day vig hit then that might help, although I'm not sure if we'd be able to figure out another lynch target and pile the votes on them in time. It'd suck to essentially waste a day vig hit by not getting the lynch to add to it =/ If we DayVig sidesprang and he flops red, then yeah it might be difficult for us to find another target. But if he flips green, then the dayvig hit becomes extremely useful because we would then hit our potential liars, and save ourselves a ton of time. Remember, we need to vote on a CompVig hit as well. Without the DayVig hitting Sidesprang, our CV hit is very difficult to aim. If the DayVig doesn't shoot Sidesprang, we need to vote on a Compvig hit anyways. Or we just leave it up to Foolishness' judgement. I'd much rather us vote on it though, as then we can at least see if he's following the town. Of course, odds are the compvig hit will end up a townie anyways, so a mafia CV would follow it too, but still better than not voting. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:19 Scamp wrote: Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now. Because we have a better target who gives us more info, and because no matter if Foolishness is town or mafia aligned, he HAS to do what we say or we lynch him. Alive, he gives us a double lynch each day, no matter his alignment. At this point it's better to have a mafia CV who's following town, then a dead mafia. At some point we may need to lynch him, but certainly not yet. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:19 Scamp wrote: Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now. Not a bad question - even if he is willing to play along I don't think we will be able to use his kills properly just yet, so he is probably helping the mafia. It would be a great defensive play, but in the end I'd rather try to get some extra info by lynching sidersprang I guess. I would NOT use the day vigilante of sidersprang though. Lynch him and save the day vig hit. No need to rush into this and start killing people left and right on very little information. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
# Bill Murray inventor let me add a piece of it as well # JeeJee VANILLA i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote: now that we know this.. # Bill Murray inventor let me add a piece of it as well # JeeJee VANILLA i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight? Hold on Jeejee, you're claiming VANILLA?? If so, what did you try to pick? Because if you didn't pick copycat, and it would be strange for you to go for CompVig or Inventor, then you must have picked Hobbes' role. Despite my previous posts, I'm not in favor of outing all the roles. But this is too juicy because we can catch one of Jeejee or Hobbes in a lie possibly. If Jeejee claims what he picked, and Hobbes reveals that he doesn't have that role, then one of them is lying, and we just found another mafia(or SK perhaps, either is good). And Jeejee if you claim to have picked Inventor or Compvig, I would find it highly suspicious, given all our plans of taking those two roles first, and you picking 11th. So Jeejee, WHAT ROLE DID YOU TRY FOR??? and Hobbes, IS HE TELLING THE TRUTH??? We can find out some info here folks. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote: now that we know this.. # Bill Murray inventor let me add a piece of it as well # JeeJee VANILLA i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight? OK, so someone who declared vanilla lied and took the role you had chosen. I continue to like Korynne as a red, but Could be anyone really. Caller is not offering anything, as usual - I would be comfortable asking Foolishness to hit him. | ||
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