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FEAR THE LIGHTNING yeah man i get it, but it's so common. FEAR THE GOAT... now THAT is wicked, scary, confusing, dark, AND mysterious. | ||
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On April 18 2010 08:57 KF91 wrote: First of all: And second, how are we supposed to believe you that you got the role that you usually get? From what I can search, you've only played in Incognito's Mafia XVI? man you are so observant. i'm sure if you actually looked, you would be able to find out. genius. oh and speak of the devil. STUFF TO READ right after you decided to bash on me. | ||
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On April 18 2010 11:57 motbob wrote: I think I'm losing confidence in your plan by the minute. however, my plan is solid. let's DO IT. | ||
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On April 18 2010 12:33 DarthThienAn wrote: @Bill Murray, Why is everyone an Assassin? O.o I don't get it. no one wants to be left out of being a ninja! i think his reasoning is the assassins want the mafia to lose so they don't die? | ||
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On April 18 2010 14:02 love1another wrote: Hi Jugan. Will you be my friend? hell yes. MANHAG WOOT WOOT. lets talk about lynching people. | ||
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since i'm not allowed to edit. lol manhag. | ||
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No wonder. He always puts me in miller house =/ | ||
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On April 18 2010 16:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Millers don't know they are millers though, so you might be lucky this game  unless you like the colour red so much.yeah but i'm 100% for miller so far, so i mean... seeing green again is gotta be a trap (again). right? | ||
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On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote: I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this? Sir, I do believe that if you truly understand something, then it MAKES SENSE TO YOU! I think Caller is my favorite poster. I love reading his stuff. And I love the bad manner here :D Personally, we should do BM's plan because it's funny. And lynch that other guy. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:59 Ace wrote: Caller stop bsing. I don't see why nai.Protoss flipping anything = me fearing the results. That has nothing to do with me. This is all about you. 1.) You tried to call Infun on a Wifom argument when you clearly don't know what it is. 2.) You tried to call me on Chainsaw Defense when I called you out before nai.Protoss even posted. If anything, and if you were even trying to read the thread you might have been more keen to question Foolishness who parroted you. 3.) Thinking that Wifom and CD are automatic scum tells means you yourself are just trying to throw dirt and sound smart. So stop grasping for straws. I'm not betting on some other player's life/alignment when the question of the moment has everything to do with YOU. I think caller has some good points! Maybe you are trying to confuse us to THROW US OFF YOUR SCENT! | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:12 Ace wrote: That last post just wreaks of scum. Ok Caller have it your way. I'll just chill for a bit, let your posts sit there for oh lets say ~2-3 hours and then come back and post a compilation analysis of them. The idea of you making a bet based on lynching someone else to prove something about another player when none of that is even in question right now just dug your grave. I'll wait 3 hours. why not make it 4 or 5. or even 6 or 7. or maybe 3... 3 days! | ||
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On April 19 2010 09:05 Roffles wrote: Yes, you could play it safe and kill off someone who's not doing anything, but I'd still say go big or go home. I think since we have some various factions at the moment, while it might not be the greatest idea, if we could kill off one of them, we might be able to grab a whiff at allegiances this early on in the game. This is a good mentality to have. However, I think it's important to note that you can always tell who is active by who actually votes, and their pattern of voting. That is also a big reason why you don't need to worry about people that don't say anything... at first. On April 19 2010 09:31 TheLardyGooser wrote: Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat I think the general strategy is to think as objectively as possible using the clues given. However, we can't do that as we are missing two very important parts - clues, and people thinking objectively. I expect there are going to be roughly 7 people dead tonight - 4 from Mafia, 1 from lynch, 2 from assassin. The best course of action right now, in my eyes, is to just accept it and analyze what people are saying. On April 19 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote: So this is the list of people "inactives" who have posted after Caller's post: - Fishball (Haven't expressed much thoughts, but according to him, he's only been up for about 2 hours) - TheLardyGooser (Pushing for a new plan) - tree.hugger (Talks about Abenson) - Roffles (Just woke up from OSL tiebreakers) Means nothing. Some people were sleeping. Some people have stuff to do IRL. Some people like to lurk. It can be interpreted in a million ways. And I think I misinterpreted your post when I read it due to the environment I was in, but I still want to lynch you :D On April 19 2010 07:21 Caller wrote: I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list. OH NOES!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!1!111!1!!!ONE!!11!  | ||
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On April 19 2010 10:08 Osmoses wrote: 2. Ace and Caller are supposed to know what they're doing but they're shitting all over each other. I suspect at least one of them may be scum. I think it's just two big egos duking it out. The power of the E-PENIS! note: this post went up while I was crafting my previous one. | ||
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On April 19 2010 10:18 flamewheel91 wrote: First vote count up. For your convenience, remember that the vote count will be displayed in the Ah this is really helpful. Thanks flame! Btw, which mafia game was your first? | ||
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motbob [s]Ace[s] AcrossFiveJulys meeple Typo flame. Should be (4) not 3. AWWW I can't believe people want to lynch me! I'm so loveable! Like a goat! | ||
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Ahhh I remember that one! I convinced everyone not to lynch you because of the beijing man | ||
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you can ask bill about that one LOL. Just realized in this version you need a clear majority to lynch. | ||
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On April 19 2010 10:38 flamewheel91 wrote: Reading through the last few pages, I'd also like you to consolidate your posts, They are consolidated. @ qatol: I don't normally use that feature, so I didn't recognize it at first. I got it after I saw it though. | ||
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Which I might add I NOTED in that post. GG. | ||
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On April 19 2010 11:02 Qatol wrote: And do you have an excuse for why the one after it couldn't have been consolidated? No, it was just an afterthought that I thought of. Next time I think of something like that I'll wait 30 minutes to post it (even though it may lose its relevancy). You got me, SIR! P.S. 3 != 5 or 6 On April 19 2010 11:02 flamewheel91 wrote: After I finish writing up any sort of long post, I always wait for a few minutes and refresh the thread, just in case something comes up that would invalidate/support/whatever a part of your post. Offensive GGing is considered BM Well you have my respect and admiration! In the games I play, they encourage us to post two and three times in a row as opposed to editing. Some of us need to focus on making our points and like to smile and hit that "submit" button when they are done with that section of their argument. Perhaps we forget to "check again" before we post, sometimes we are too tired to, and maybe we might not want to. I have a lot of bad habits I'm afraid, and I won't be up to constantly scrutinizing the thread before I say something unfortunately :/ I like to offensive GG and build MANNER CC like Skyhigh I appreciate you guys running the mafia game, but I don't like some of the things you are doing. I've never had a problem with other mods and their game, and it feels like you guys are bashing on me and some other players which really takes the fun out of it. A huge part of this game is deception, politicking, and creating chaos. I'm not saying your words, views, ideas, arguments, or concept of how to run the game have no merit, just pointing out how it feels to me. Also, there are a bunch of things I dislike about the way this particular game is going, but I'm appreciating it as it is. I WILL DO MY BEST TO LIVE UP TO YOUR EXPECTATIONS, SIR! | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:00 Incognito wrote: Didn't expect to play a game right now, been busy over the past month, but was asked to sub in. Anyway, just started reading the thread. But I have thoughts from what I've seen so far. Expect a large post coming up within the next two hours. yay <3 incognito. I think the plan should be to lynch that KF91 guy. | ||
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reason: I don't like him, and he hates goats. | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:21 IntoTheWow wrote: Hard to take you seriously My vote is as series as it gets, mate. | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:55 IntoTheWow wrote: Ok I went throught the list of players and searched this thread for posts by them. I no particular order, people who make no posts, or only one liners in it: KF91 (barely posted, always 1 or 2 lines) RebirthOfLegend Jugan (all 1 liners) Scaramanga (couple of 1 liners, pre-game) RaGe (only sign up post) [NyC]HoBbes (2 posts, with 1-3 lines) Fulgrim (1 post, 2 lines) JadeFist krndandaman nbtnbt5 (only 1 post asking how get info on day 1) Incognito (just subbed in, said he would make a big post) love1another (only 1 or 2 posts, and he already voted) jpak (only 1 post: "see you on day 1" when it was already day 1) motbob (only 2 posts, 1-2 lines) Ok, so I think picking one of these guys is the best course. If they have any previous server experienced, or were active in other parts of the forums but missed this, anything that's making them be quiet, etc. Incorrect. Go read again, sir. Frankly, I'm disappointed in your analysis. Additionally, a lot of the people you say "posts 1 liners" in fact offer insight and analysis that you either failed to read or are blatantly ignoring it in order to try and bolster your "point". I think the best course of action would be to lynch YOU as you are trying to get people to support your idea through false information and/or faulty logic. | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:36 IntoTheWow wrote: Cute, but this is the longest post you have made in all the thread. Trolling around, having a foul mouth, and writting stuff no one gets here and there doesn't contribute at all. If you are going to bash on my work, then you might as well show me where's it's bad or provide something better yourself. Incorrect. Although I welcome you to reference the point where my "foul mouth" came into play, I will surely apologize for it. However, you are also incorrect and I ask you to simply stop flaunting your ignorance and reference yourself a few pages back where, in a single post, I have offered more insight and contributed man than you have in just a single post. I have, in fact, provided something better and have also shown you why your critically lacking analysis is bad. In order for me to bash on your "work", you must have actually done something productive. Unfortunately, you have not, from what I have seen so far, fulfilled this requirement. Again, I respectfully request that you look over the thread once more, and not just in the last 10 posts of the thread so you may gain a better understanding of the direction the game is currently headed in. As I mentioned in an earlier post that you blatantly decided to ignore, it is extremely unlikely that someone will garner the votes necessary to be lynched with so little time remaining. Thus, our best course of action is to analyze those who have posted thus far, keep a tally of the votes at hand, and ride out the first night until we get a better feel for our bearings. I welcome you to start being product, and I await your apology. | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow. | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:49 madnessman wrote: Hahaha Jugan, I'm going to have to butt in and say you are playing pretty damn aggressively. Clarify how your "let's lynch kf91 because he is annoying" constitutes as an insightful, cohesive plan? That is a good question. I come from a democratic nation where one may choose to vote for a candidate on whatever basis they choose. I pesonally voted to lynch KF91 because, as I stated, I (at the time of the post), did not like him. However, I never stated that it was an "insightful, cohesive plan". However, if you refer to that very post of mine that you quoted: On April 19 2010 13:43 Jugan wrote: As I mentioned in an earlier post that you blatantly decided to ignore, it is extremely unlikely that someone will garner the votes necessary to be lynched with so little time remaining. Thus, our best course of action is to analyze those who have posted thus far, keep a tally of the votes at hand, and ride out the first night until we get a better feel for our bearings. I do state that I, in fact, stated early the beginnings of a plan I feel will lead us in the correct direction. While I thank you for taking time to clarify a point of information, I strongly urge you to read what is DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOU before you point mislabel a statement made by someone, not necessarily myself, as it may get you into trouble and confuse others. | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:55 IntoTheWow wrote: I considered that option of course. If anything my call for inactives can make those people 'getting the feel' to post more, which is a good thing. No communication = town loses. Not like they are going to get lynched actually, at least that's what you said. That is an excellent idea. I support your call for people to come out and post more. I can attest firsthand that No communication = lose. However, trying to draw suspicions and pinpoint people as mafia is rash and shortsighted for what I stated early - You can call inactives to be active ALL YOU WANT, but if they are busy and don't happen to read it, nothing will happen (except that you will grow even more suspicious and get innocents lynched). | ||
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On April 19 2010 13:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, mafia in the past have opted to play "inactive". Alot of people who are truely busy with things normally will post it ahead of time. If someone appears to say "sorry had x y and z, ill be doing x again now then sleeping, ill try to play tommorrow" then only appear to vote, are typically either useless townies, or mafia. Also good to keep tabs on. Real life does come up, but so does faked inactivity. I understand exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. However, as I stated earlier, we should not worry about the people that appear to be inactive as of this moment - we are only on night 1. Additionally, I mentioned it is not only easy to keep tabs on people that are "faking" inactivity, but it is helpful as well. My reasoning about the inactive people is because IntoTheWow was attempting to accuse people based on 1) His interpretation on who was active. 2) How people posted. While I believe interpreting how people post goes extremely far in determining who may or may not be mafia, IntoTheWow, great guy that he is, made blatantly false statements about SEVERAL players and thus comes off as 1) Suspicious 2) Misguided 3) Forceful (as he tries so hard to garner support for his idea, he blatantly leaves out important details). On April 19 2010 14:02 IntoTheWow wrote: Well, that's why beside listing inactives I also wrote more or less what they posted. I opened the thread on "all" pages and CTRL+F every nickname on the player list. Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners, without actually saying nothing in most of them, hence why you were on the list. About your attitude, it was not me who pointed it out, but a mod, you can ask them for an apology. I like how you change your story here. You didn't word it: "Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners", You said: Jugan (all 1 liners) And said that the town should lynch somebody on the list. I would also like to note that you were blatantly incorrect about several other people on that list. You completely disregarded the fact that I gave several insightful posts that were IMPOSSIBLE to miss, as you would have to go through my name several times through them. Additionally, the mods did not tell me "Jugan, you have a dirty mouth." You, and you alone were the only person to claim that. You claim to have actually read discussions on this board. However, if you had done this, you would have came across the board discussion between me and a couple of the mods where we not only discussed things in general, but rectified all issues currently at hand. Your posting and change of story seems extremely suspicious, and you have now been put #1 on my suspect list. I also still await your apology. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I was in no way trying to make it out to be "lets lynch all the inactives" more as a point in his inept defense. As well, he did have a point that he was making badly on the subject, I figured what I posted was it. However, I am so far impressed with your ability, good job sir! Forgive me for the mixup, the second part of my post was meant for IntoTheWow. You are doing a great job Cobbler! On April 19 2010 14:16 Incognito wrote: Jugan: When I say I await responses, I don't mean I'm going to sit here and wait till Osmoses replies. People (like you) can and should also comment. Right now, you seem spammy and happy to ignore responding to my post. I invite you to do so so we can keep this discussion actually moving in a coherent direction. Oh, I honestly thought you were waiting for Osmoses to answer your accusation. Forgive me, but I do not feel that I am "spamming". On a more serious note, I was taking time to ponder your post as, traditionally, I am not one to make accusations lightly. I'm sorry if my thinking process upset you. However, I do believe you have a good point - Osmoses does seem a little suspicious. What struck me as odd is, indeed, the discrepancies between the two posts that you highlighted. If we take that into account, his first post does indeed become suspicious too - Where he suggests saving the double lynch until the very end (as if to dissuade us from using a very powerful tool). I agree with most of your analysis about using the "newbie excuse" to promote their own clueless behavior, I also would like to point out that (in my experience) newbies do point out that they are, in fact, newbies and ask for a little leeway. However, I agree with you yet again that Osmoses is far past that point as his behavior seems not only suspicious but uses far more complex reasoning than "just a clueless newbie" would use. | ||
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The difference is that I was suspicious for having "aimless" discussions (yeah, I was trolling a little). You're suspicious for being a bad actor with lack of helpful posts that you yourself urged others to contribute. Additionally, you have failed to answer any questions or arguments regarding your statements. The discussion I put forth welcomed you to share your insight with us or at least the reasoning behind your ridiculous accusations. However, seeing that your contributions to this discussion has degenerated SO BAD that you can't even bring yourself to post 1-liners (and instead just quote a post and add no text), you yourself, by your own reasoning, stand out as the most suspicious of all of us and thus deserved to be lynched (again, by your own reasoning). | ||
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Whatever the case may be, you have been a sore disappointment thusfar. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:38 Bill Murray wrote: jugan u wanna play some 2v2? 2v2 in SC1 or SC2? note for Qatol: he posted like 2 seconds before i posted mine. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:42 flamewheel91 wrote: I can't control your life, so sure. Nothing about mafia though, honour system! Damn it why am I so British. Dude, I wanna be british. On April 19 2010 14:40 Bill Murray wrote: sc1 i didnt know u were one of the chosen few to have sc2 Mod: am i allowed to pm if its not about mafia? Well I wasn't really chosen. A couple weeks ago one of my friends said "hey man... I got a beta key for sc2". I seriously flipped out and went WTF ARE YOU SERIOUS? I thought he was the biggest douchebag liar in the history of the universe (because he kept talking about it), until he said "hey man I just got a friend key" and sent it to me. ENGINEERS UNITE! :D | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Peoples ability to be a good TL member doesn't translate into mafia skill. Mafia skill translates into mafia skill. To be honest, I feel that a person that is able to think objectively or "practice what they preach" would be a very skillful mafia player. It just boggles my mind that such a great community member could generate in a discussion that they sparked so fast - the exception being that they're mafia, and don't know how to handle the situation (I totally understand that). | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote: I even asked him for reasons for his vote, and he said "my vote is as serious as it gets". Not like I didn't give him a chance. Incorrect. You stated "It's hard to take you seriously". I replied with "My vote is as serious as it gets." I said that because if I wasn't serious about lynching him, then I obviously wouldn't have voted for him. On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote: @ Jugan, I already explained some reasoning besides voting inactives. But since the thread seems to be kind of derailed, I guess I'll give you more, with the consequence of running some luring: accusing inactive might bring the silent mafia out. I'm sorry, but, as I stated earlier, only a fool would fall for that. This is because you can't possibly put someone under suspicion for being less active than others on the first day. Additionally I also pointed out that those who are being falsely inactive will be easy to keep track of later and thus easily disposed of. On April 19 2010 14:45 IntoTheWow wrote: Also someone mentioned, not asking for information, so I figured I would search all the info myself. If you disagree with my analysis you are free to open up all the thread like I did and read all the posts user by user to try to get something. I do that often, I wish you would include information you gather from doing so instead of tailoring it to fit your needs. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:49 Incognito wrote: Sigh* maybe I never will pick up the amount of attention that Ver gets...O wait a second...nobody listens to Ver either! Ver can I join your club? I replied to your post. note: Sorry for DP (double-penetration), I missed this one while I was browsing through earlier. | ||
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On April 19 2010 15:22 IntoTheWow wrote: About tailoring: It adds some thought into the information and sparks discussion, maybe I should have written a lot more per each user, but I was kind of in hurry cause I was studying while doing that post. You should be careful what you you tailor, especially in a thread-only game. Even moreso when you are levying accusations. In such an event, you should state so sooner, as opposed to waiting a lengthy amount of time while missing several inquiries in which you are able to do so. | ||
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Anyway, technically your plan was different because I wasn't hiding or trying to be falsely inactive, I was already talking, discussing, sharing insight, and trolling already. | ||
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On April 19 2010 15:57 meeple wrote: Thats getting to be a pretty tired story man... So... we need some sort of consensus on how to vote (obviously)... I don't mind lynching an inactive, but I would prefer someone like Lardygooser or the like... At any rate I would enjoy feedback on why we should shouldn't do it. Then stop asking for it | ||
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On April 19 2010 17:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: I still have my suspicions about BM, but I'm willing to change my vote to lynch an inactive due to good reasons brought up numerous times in the last few pages. As of now, I doubt the vote will matter. Just save it and observe. | ||
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On April 19 2010 17:57 meeple wrote: Wow man.. those last two posts really needed to be seperate eh? BM, you get this shit every game because you're annoying to play with, green or not. Calm down meeple, let's not make this into an ego contest. | ||
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On April 19 2010 18:15 Bill Murray wrote: jugan, does it make u suspicious of meeple because he's attacking 2 of the most obvious townies? Sorry BM, there's no such thing as an "obvious townie" (except me, I'm always miller). Additionally, I don't generally say people are suspect to being mafia for their 'attacks' on other people (although it varies from case to case). I try to take everything into account, and try to think objectively. Some people just have bad days. | ||
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On April 19 2010 18:38 Bill Murray wrote: ok. yeah it's 5 am here, i'm a bit cranky too. watching KT vs Woongjin has cheered me up tho stupid KT wrecking my fantasy team. knew i shoulda took stars. | ||
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On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit You know, it's quite hard to take someone seriously when they break one of the biggest and easiest to follow rules in the game. Additionally, feel free to go over my posts again - they: 1) Are much more constructive than your post. 2) Offer ideas based on logical reasoning. 3) Urge people not to do anything irrational. Obviously my posts have not reached you, as the only thing more nonsensical than your accusations is your posting. I'm glad you broke the rules of the game to let us know you are watching one piece. Feel free to actually contribute ONE POST backed up with solid reasoning and evidence. It would be helpful if you showed how my posts are "nonsenseical crap" as you have put it. BTW, it's spelled 'nonsensical'. On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. I would like to warn you about identifying yourself with Scaramanga. His reasoning for voting for me was because he believes solid logic is "nonsenseical crap". While I do concede the fact that I trolled a little at the start, most of my posts have been well constructed and thought out. Additionally, I have continually encouraged rational and logical discussion in each of my constructive posts. It honestly seems that either Scaramanga is either retarded or too lazy to actually make an effort to actually back up his posts with evidence and examples. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: But not much has changed; he really isn't giving much ideas towards the town, but mainly arguing with people in the game. I'm not sure if I'm 100% right, but the turning point of his posting behaviour is after Caller pretty much abuses him verbally. What's interesting to note is that Jugan has little to no interaction with Caller after this. (Rarely mentions him) I actually started posting seriously to lay the smackdown on IntoTheWow. If I continued posting like a troll, it would be hard to get people to take me seriously. You see how I used LOGIC there? I've given more ideas toward the town than you have, but keep up the good work by showing us how smart you are. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: I honestly don't really understand why he continues to hate on me for being "annoying" when I (In my point of view) haven't done anything to a far extent to annoy him. Because your posts are filled with whining and assumptions. On April 20 2010 04:26 KF91 wrote: But I do have to agree with you about RoL. When I played with him in the Micro-Mafia, he was very active; and now, it honestly feels like he died or something O.o It's day 1. Read one of my several posts that explains, for simpletons such as yourself, that you can't read too much into a person's alleged "inactivity" on the first day because the game is just getting started. There is this imaginary thing people like to play called "life". Now, while it may seem absurd to you that people will waste time on such a silly game, some people take this "life" thing seriously. Stop whining before reading. | ||
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On April 20 2010 05:03 CynanMachae wrote: Also I'd like to point out that that game he was pretty inactive Day 1 and got a lot of suspicion. (and he was town) Which is in line with what I have been saying. On April 20 2010 05:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: In my defense as I catch up. I have had a very busy time. ... I am not an inactive player, and you'd be a fool to vote me. My weekends just always get jacked up with work, in the last 3 days I worked 30 hours. Friday I had school 10-2, work 3-7, Saturday 10am to 10pm, Sunday 8am to 6pm, then started reading mafia got tired and went to sleep. Which supports and proves the logical reasoning I have been using which resulted in me getting flak for by some unruly and thoughtless posters. | ||
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On April 20 2010 05:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Until then however, I would expect assassin's to be contributing like a blue role. Trying to contribute as little as possible so they can coast on by, because they don't want to appear like mafia to the town and post negative, and they don't want to help too much so the mafia kills them. Actually, I would think that the Assassins want the mafia to do well (initially) in the hopes that they kill an assassin, even if it is slightly more dangerous. I believe that up until a point the Assassins gain more from wanting the mafia to do well at the start, and thus we should not count on them for any help. On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: A jpak is fine too. Why, because he votes with you? On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. Which Mafia XVI are you referring to? There were two. Also, don't let it bother you. You yourself are barely active, and it's only the first day. | ||
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On April 20 2010 05:51 flamewheel91 wrote: Actually BC's game should've been counted as XVII :O Since then we went straight to XVIII. Thanks for the clarification. While there were mod kills in XVI, I managed to do work behind the scenes and convince the mayor (meeples) and other people (citi.zen, and several others) of who the mafia members were. In the end we were able to lynch all the mafia members in two days. So the town can still win with inactives, it just takes logical reasoning and solid analysis. Not something ridiculous, nonconstructive, illogical, and without reasoning such as this: On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit | ||
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On April 20 2010 05:56 Caller wrote: where the hell did this rage bandwagon come from? Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. Parading around announcing "You have just earned yourself a place on my suspect list, [name]" is certainly not helping your image nor your campaign for support. I also urge you to provide at least semi in-depth analysis to go around with your announcements (which seems like that's all you're doing now) so that we may understand WHY you are find someone suspect. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:03 KF91 wrote: Whoa, I completely missed this edit... Scara, do you mind explaining yourself for this? The sentence you added in was completely unnecessary and it could have been made as a double post if you REALLY wanted to say it. Which is why I urged you to READ MY POSTS instead of reading the last 3 posts in the thread before whining about everything. On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote: BC's Mafia XVI, the first game I played in. I say 'bother' only in a "this could ACTUALLY cost us the game" sense; I don't mind if people don't post often as long as they try to make posts of substance Thanks for clarifying. I understand where you are coming from, we all want a good game. On April 20 2010 06:03 d3_crescentia wrote: Also, it's sentences like the last one that grates on my (and maybe others' nerves. And what gets on my nerves is people being stupid and making attacks on me that hold no relevancy or logical argument in them. I welcome any criticism backed up with reasoning an evidence. I have seen little to none of that so far. I make statements like the one you referenced on purpose. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:12 KF91 wrote: Alright, with a little less than 4 hours until voting is closed, I think we should decide now to choose who to lynch; so that it gives time to players who are away at this moment to see what we're up to. And also it will reduce the amount of people who will switch their vote at the last minute. Right now, I'm guessing the votes will be either against: jpak or RaGe. I personally think it would be beneficial to the town if we lynch jpak during Day 1 (Even if it means if we have to wait until Day 2 to lynch RaGe if we really want to), mostly due to that fact that jpak has given nothing at all that is beneficial to the town, while RaGe has at least given us a starting point as to who to lynch. If I counted correctly, RaGe and jpak both have six votes against them at this time. You need 20 votes to lynch, and I'm not changing my vote. Also, I would like to thank you for going over older posts and answering questions addressed to you. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:54 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Promised return from inactivity begins now. My personal two cents on several topics: 1)- Jugan is most likely town. As much as I dislike his aggressive/confrontational playing style, he is playing exactly like he did in Mafia XVI, where he was innocent. In that game, he vehemently disagreed and criticized Citi.zen constantly throughout the entire game. Citi.zen turned out to be right about nearly all of the mafia, and some of Jugan's suggestions as "clearly town" were red, but Jugan flipped green. He's acting the same way right now, and, if he says something suspicious later, we'll have tons and tons of posts to read back over. No point in killing him, especially not right away. You fail to realize that I was correct on all but one mafia guess, and that it was I myself who convinced meeples and citi.zen that DrH along with mystlord and others were mafia. While you were busy in the kiddie pool trying to figure out how to play, I took the information Bill Murray passed along to me and won the game for the town. I also have records of private messages and MSN conversations to go along with it. Feel free to stop being an idiot. Thanks | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:00 Caller wrote: a simple check reveals that about 75% of the time either the #3 or #4 voter in any bandwagon in TL mafia is scum (day 1 and 2, that is). You're the fourth, mate, and you seem to be agreeing with me, which is ALWAYS a bad sign. Call has a point, only 32% of all statistics are made up on the spot. | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:06 Caller wrote: mate go check the games yourself i already did it and its 92% not 32% The point is an arbitrary number can serve for it since the number itself is made up. Due to the fact that I was being sarcastic, I chose a number below 50% in mock support for your ridiculous assumption. And no, I will not look through every single game to see if the statistic made up happens to match up with a coincidence in other mafia games. | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:12 Caller wrote: well, you see, i actually looked through the games. Well not all of them but i did a SRS of which games to look at. I looked at 8 and 6 games had that phenomenon. And I was aware of your sarcasm, as you saw I picked 92%. Please don't try and lecture me if you're not going to backup your words. Lol sorry if I choose to back up my words with logical reasoning. Sorry you say random things and when people inquire about them you ignore them and move on to the next random thing? | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:13 CynanMachae wrote: Hm. Don't push that too much. The convincing factor was the clue check on DrH which painted him as red. Yeah, and do you know how long citi.zen accused me of being full of shit until I convinced meeples to tell citi.zen that I wasn't? | ||
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I guess in the end I should apologize for convincing people not to lynch you, as a fool like yourself would be unable to understand events that transgressed outside of the forum. | ||
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I'm sorry that you're a buffoon, truly I am. Next time I'll let everyone lynch you, because you're an idiot. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Date: 1/23/10 14:46 <---- ONE DAY AFTER TL MAFIA XVI STARTED. [citi.zen] I am curious: what evidence are we talking about? He made an incorrect defense for himself today, claiming he voluntarily shared his relationship with Bill, whereas he really had no choice. What else? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: [me] all evidence points to DrH. anyway, the important thing is you keep it to yourself. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: [citi.zen] I told Bill from the start not to trust DrH or anyone else without role-checking first, but he chose to trust DrH. I still think that was imprudent, but do not have any evidence against Dr.H at the moment. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: [me] I am certain that DrH is mafia. If it helps, Bill is 99% sure DrH is mafia as well... or was until he died. | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:36 meeple wrote: Dredgin' up the past... its done... and a game... we won... I don't care who gets the credit. @Caller... lol it might be a statistic but as a determining factor in someone's redness its really weak. I'm sure you can pull up tons of statistics that don't prove anything The point is that hobbes is an ungrateful donkey who turns on the people that stopped him from getting lynched. I replied to your post when you asked me to incognito, but you haven't readdressed your first analyses of Osmoses. (when you asked several players to reply) | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:57 Radfield wrote: we're at 19 with like 2 minutes to go.... Well since we're at 19, I guess I'll switch my vote to see some blood spilled. | ||
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On April 20 2010 10:00 CynanMachae wrote: Jugan said he's not gonna switch earlier because he's sooooo protown omg wtf bbq PWNT | ||
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On April 20 2010 10:31 flamewheel91 wrote: [/b][/blue][/i]So: please cut out the insults, play the game, and don't be a jerk. This is your LAST warning. If you want to talk to me, PM me. Alright, I'm sorry for calling someone a donkey, and hurting their feelings. Second, I'm sorry for defending myself when someone makes one post in twenty pages purely to attack me: On April 19 2010 23:01 Scaramanga wrote: Jesus fucking christ, reading through this is like pulling teeth, I'm voting to lynch Jugan as his non senseical crap looks exactly like what 0cz3z used to do to confuse the town when he was mafia and i suggest that everyone else dose the same Edit: I would just like to let you all know that watching one piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading this shit Which was not only UNFOUNDED (due to several of my posts being furthest from what said), but I merely ASK HIM to contribute a post backed with solid evidence. If he wants to accuse me of something, he may very well do so with example, reasoning, and evidence instead of saying FUCK YOU LYNCH JUGAN. However, I am glad that you support such a prestigious member of the community when he 1) BREAKS a rule that EVERYBODY KNOWS and you let him get away with it. 2) In breaking that rule, he calls your game SHIT. 3) I tried to help him out with his spelling for the next time he tries to accuse someone out of the blue. Now I have purposefully refrained from swearing in this thread, but I feel that this "SHIT" we are all reading is a game we are here to enjoy. If you, the moderator feel that your game indeed is shit not worth missing one piece over then I apologize, and I will start watching one piece. That being said, I'll try to be less abrasive, but I do like how I am the only person being warned when there have been others who are being a lot more offensive than I am. Additionally, I would like to apologize for getting riled up when stupidity is thrown at me. It's a bad habit I'm trying to kick. | ||
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On April 20 2010 11:36 Incognito wrote: Hello, its your friendly neighborhood tax collector here! Don't worry, I'm not trying to suck you dry. I'm just trying to make sure you pay your fair share. Not like you care anyway, since your parents probably pay your taxes for you! Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency! ![[image loading]](http://metrobrokers.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/tax-collector-stockxpertcom_id69728_jpg_9233c9b394a2324739c0ba6441fcaa64.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/bestw2/USSR%20-%20Hammer%20&%20Sickle.JPG) Rules: 1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands. 2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you! 3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake. FAQ: Q. How do I pay my taxes? A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production. Q. What kind of taxes are there? A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax. Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax? A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen). Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings? A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully. Q. So is there a lottery tax? A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!! Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment? A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part. Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people! A. That wasn't a question, but ok... People who haven't payed their taxes: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? ... We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details. Sorry, can't pay taxes. watching one piece. | ||
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On April 20 2010 11:51 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Jugan- I wasn't the one who filed a complaint against you. If if makes you feel like more of a man, however, I could start complaining to everyone about how emotionally damaged you've made me, and how I'm clearly a shell of my former self. Anything to make you feel better. Nah man, when you insult someone, you have to be ready to accept an insult back. I'm sorry some people couldn't handle some "shady" insults, I just figured it was better some things other people are saying: "Okay basically you're going around sucking peoples dicks" or "Fuck all of you. You are all noobs." or "This game is shit. lets watch one piece" If me calling you a donkey truly hurt your feelings then I'm sorry for calling you a donkey. I just felt you were completely ignorant to events that transgressed and I sought to rectify it. I didn't call you a donkey to make my dick feel bigger, I called you a donkey because I felt you were acting like one. I doubt ANYONE complained about me, and if someone actually did, I apologize to them. However, they could have told me directly if they had a problem with me. I personally think that flamewheel is just trying to shape the game into something HE thinks is fun, when he is in fact ruining a lot of the fun aspects of it (especially being too lazy to start the game off with clues). It's just sad he's making me into the scapegoat, but that's okay, my posting has been a bit abrasive. | ||
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On April 20 2010 12:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I wasn't being serious at all about the hurt feelings part. I really couldn't care less about being called a donkey, especially over the internet. I agree with you on having to be ready to accept an insult back, which im guessing is why we've been trading them for the last 10 pages or so. For the record, I completely agree that people saying things like "this game is shit, lets watch one piece" is bullshit. I think I mentioned that specific post in a post earlier about how a lot of the vets werent being helpful Yeah I figured you didn't care in the slightest, and I didn't care when someone called me a dick sucker LOL. I just find it funny that someone makes two posts, one of which saying "this game is shit", and the person running that game stepping in and defending that person. Everyone plays the game in different ways, that's what a MAFIA is all about. I'll cut down on the insults though, and protoss does have a point. I HOPE WE CAN BECOME BEST BUDDIES GUYS! | ||
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On April 20 2010 12:37 Foolishness wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 11:36 Incognito wrote: Hello, its your friendly neighborhood tax collector here! Don't worry, I'm not trying to suck you dry. I'm just trying to make sure you pay your fair share. Not like you care anyway, since your parents probably pay your taxes for you! Welcome to Incognito's Tax collection agency! Rules: 1. If you don't pay your taxes, you will be punished. I'm sure you all would love to keep all your fingers on your wonderfully productive typing hands. 2. If you survive the night, we come back the next day and collect more taxes from you! 3. If you try to pay less than your fair share, we will confiscate all your property and burn you at the stake. FAQ: Q. How do I pay my taxes? A. Make sure you post. Post substantively and frequently. Non-posters will be shot, and all their property will be confiscated and be used for state production. Q. What kind of taxes are there? A. The Liquidia Tax Collection Agency collects two taxes, A) The Cost of Living Tax, and B) The Lottery tax. Q. Can you explain the Cost of Living Tax? A. Sure thing. It works very simply. You pay tax on all of your earnings. The tax breakdown is like this. There is one marginal tax bracket, which is 100%. That's right! All of your earnings will go to the Liquidia Tax Collection Agency, which will ensure that your earnings are justly and fairly distributed among those who are in need. And by "in need", I mean, those who are actively participating to bring the mafia to justice. The faster we get rid of the insurgence, the quicker we can call off this "state of emergency" and get back to the freedom and liberty we all love (not going to happen). Q. How the **** do I calculate my earnings? A. You don't. We calculate them for you. Chances are, you have underestimated your tax burden. So just to be safe, make sure you keep posting actively and usefully. Q. So is there a lottery tax? A. Yes, there is a lottery tax. Every time you win Ace's lottery, you must pay 80% of your winnings to the Liquidia treasury fund. This fund will be used to help buy housing for poor people like BloodyC0bbler and will ensure that we all live long and healthy lives. In addition, 20% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia Reasearch Fund, which will fund research, enabling us to weed out the mafia quickly and effectively. Finally, the last 10% of your winnings must be paid to the Liquidia "Defense" Fund, which will be used to silence all those who blab on and cover up important information. The total amount of tax due should add up to 100%, if I can do math. Oh well, even if I don't, you can always count on the Liquidian Government to dole out justice and oppose all those who call themselves socialist! Let Freedom Ring!!! Q. Can I get a receipt to ensure that the Tax Collection Agency has received my payment? A. Nope! You just have to keep posting in blind faith that we have received your payment. We are not responsible for any failed transactions on your part. Q. Thank you! I really hope I can be a good comrade and contribute to the greatness of the Liquidian people! A. That wasn't a question, but ok... People who haven't payed their taxes: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? ... We are sorry, but it seems like we have lost all record of your transactions. Please re-enter your transactions, or send a check to the Liquidia Collection Agency. If you have any questions or grievances, please contact the People's Extermination And Criminal Justice Department for more details. You just posted some stuff saying to not fill the thread with garbage, and then you post this. Thanks for just telling me your role. But don't worry, the secret's safe with me, nobody pays attention to my posts until well into the 3rd or 4th day. Which reminds me how funny it is how people keep saying there's no information, and yet in reality there's a LOT going on in the first day. No matter, you keep to your spam posting for now. start discussion please. | ||
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On April 20 2010 12:43 Incognito wrote: Good Job Foolishness. Good job reading the spoiler in the post here. I'm sure it won't be too hard for you to see what I'm trying to do here... Oh man Incognito laying the smackdown. So foolishness, enlighten us on this action going on so we can get this thread going again so the mods can swoop down and destroy everything that is holy once we get on the right track! | ||
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On April 20 2010 16:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I should also toss out as a general note. Ace is typically super against day 1 claims (not sure why not ones really brought this up yet). So the fact he is openly roleclaiming to me is insanely odd. Even bored, purposely jumping out to add random confusion to the game doesn't seem like his regular style, as he enjoy's being the voice of reason in games. just a little something for those to think on.Maybe he is completely bored out of his mind. | ||
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On April 21 2010 03:01 Caller wrote: Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me. I don't recall criticizing you, but i'll take your word for it. | ||
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Yeah man, your name is RAGE. What kind of person named RAGE gives a well thought out post and dismantles and argument???? | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:15 Caller wrote: ofc im serious everytime i make a wall of text im cereal What kind of cereal? Also, it would help if you actually quotes what rage said in your argument because sometimes it's a little tedious to keep having to go back and figure out what he said (as opposed to you loosely summarizing it) | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:33 Caller wrote: oh no, this one isn't a game. this one is fully serious. explain to me the flaws with the logic you used last time, or can you not explain them? Caller would you mind displaying and analyzing some of rage's contradictions as proof to help yourself out? | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:40 Caller wrote: oh there's no contradictions. Just follow the logic, though. Give me another explanation for what he did. well I meant why don't you show us what he did instead of loosely summing it up so we don't have to look for it and then on top of that might misinterpret it. | ||
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On April 21 2010 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: dude, dont get yourself modkilled. That leads to mafia game bans. no i was told i'm getting modkilled for bad manner (i did call hobbes a donkey, can't deny that one). | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:15 Ace wrote: Oh and I will be running some wild epic Mafia game soon! Only hardcore players allowed though because I'm limiting it to 14-16 slots. Shit about to be crazy yo! I am ready to sacrifice a live goat to get in. | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:21 Ace wrote: yea sure why not. I'll probably post it late tonight. It's gonna be rox. <3 you ace. | ||
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On April 21 2010 08:47 KF91 wrote: Well I have been regularly reading through the thread and giving my opinion on the events that have been happening and what I think about people. But as you can see, there's really nothing to touch upon at this moment (Read this page and the last; it's mostly random spam that does not contribute to the game at all). What I was referring to with my Day 3 analysis, is that I will be able to provide an analysis of each player (Maybe I'll split it up into two posts, first half of people on the first part of Day 3, then the rest on the second part of Day 3, I really haven't planned it out yet) so it will help the town accuse and maybe even decide who we should lynch. A good way to mark yourself as not credible is announcing that you've only read the last two pages and then saying you won't be doing anything until the 3rd day. | ||
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On April 21 2010 09:04 KF91 wrote: I did not say that I have only read the two pages;. On April 21 2010 08:47 KF91 wrote: there's really nothing to touch upon at this moment (Read this page and the last | ||
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Jugan
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On April 21 2010 09:29 KF91 wrote:TE] Oh, I think you just misunderstood because of my sentence structuring style -.- Sorry bout that. "Read" in that context was in an imperative sense, as in I was telling Osmoses to read the past two pages, and not "Read" as in "I just read the past two pages" Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. | ||
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Jugan
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On April 21 2010 10:13 Caller wrote: obvious blue snipers are obvious who's capable of blue sniping? Zona Ace BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it) me Incognito They also say Caller is a Baller (at sniping). | ||
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Jugan
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Subject: tonight Date: 4/21/10 07:12 You are not getting mod killed tonight. I know you had some converstions with Flamewheel and received a warning. I hope things are now clear and everyone can move on and enjoy the game. GG! | ||
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On April 21 2010 11:46 DarthThienAn wrote: -___-. Jugan, why couldn't you have been bm as mafia? because the mafia members are already bm! honestly, i was the miller, but out of spite flamewheel switched me to a townie. sorry he thought i was ragging on him after he told me to pm him? lol | ||
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Jugan
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On April 30 2010 04:53 Bill Murray wrote: im sorry you were being an idiot meeple looks like bill will be joining me in the cool kids club | ||
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