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On April 28 2010 14:42 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 14:38 Korynne wrote:
*sigh* But claiming veteran is pretty awesome for mafia, because then they have a reason for why they weren't hit at night. Ah there will be some tell... unless the mafia double up hits on someone... a missing mafia hit will mean either a medic or a veteran took it. But you're right.. the mafia don't really want to hit him now... since it will be an expensive kill. erg
I mean it's a good role to claim in that after he claims and is not killed anytime at night, he can just claim it would not be in mafia's interest to kill someone takes twice the effort to kill.
So if you're mafia and your last ditch effort is roleclaim, what do you do?
-You claim any active role, you get lynched if you can't perform whatever action at night.
-You claim townie well everyone does that, and besides what do you say when you're not killed at night (mafia certainly would prefer to target more confirmed townies than the suspicious looking ones)
-You claim veteran, you can't do anything to actively confirm your role, mafia wouldn't want to hit you because a) that confirms your role b) you take 2 hits to kill, surely there are 2 better choices for townies.
So this is something to take into consideration when voting with this new BB roleclaim in mind.
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Belgium9950 Posts
On April 28 2010 00:23 meeple wrote:What changed your mind? What information do we get from his lynch?
I wanted to take a stab at Scaramanga to:
1. Make him defend himself, it's the only way you can force him to post.
2. Checking for a bandwagon. I posted the reason why we shouldn't lynch him one post above the post where I say he's Mafia, yet still people vote for him. The funny thing is, it's partly inactives that voted for him.
With BrownBear's roleclaim, I think we might have to look in to that nbt guy
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Voted brownbear as i dont want to be killed
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There's an odd trend of people voting for me and not posting, or posting about something else while not mentioning me at all but still voting for me.
On April 28 2010 13:53 meeple wrote:
Alright... well in light of this roleclaim I'm going to switch my vote. Unfortunately, BrownBear picked a role that can't be easily verified. He's incorrect that the mafia will now be after him, since they'll spend 2 hits to kill him when really they could be going after more easily killable townies.
He's still under suspicion, perhaps now more than before... but if he's mafia it will be really difficult for him to get away with.
So it's really difficult for anyone to verify it, mafia won't be after him and town should back off. But it'll be really difficult for him to get away with it if he's mafia. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense?
The only reason I do believe BB's claim? That was perhaps the dumbest way to claim that I've seen yet. It oddly lends credibility to the claim.
But the reasons why I don't trust it: He apparently couldn't be bothered to read the rules even though he's trying to exploit them. The rules do not say that it's illegal to fake a roleclaim from the host, but they do say you cannot post a PM from a host. See the difference here? Notice he wasn't modkilled.
And what's with risking a modkill so that the town doesn't waste a lynch? That's just silly.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
I have some stuff to go through today (tennis states!) but I'll be dealing with this as soon as I can.
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On April 28 2010 23:37 Scamp wrote:There's an odd trend of people voting for me and not posting, or posting about something else while not mentioning me at all but still voting for me. Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 13:53 meeple wrote:
Alright... well in light of this roleclaim I'm going to switch my vote. Unfortunately, BrownBear picked a role that can't be easily verified. He's incorrect that the mafia will now be after him, since they'll spend 2 hits to kill him when really they could be going after more easily killable townies.
He's still under suspicion, perhaps now more than before... but if he's mafia it will be really difficult for him to get away with. So it's really difficult for anyone to verify it, mafia won't be after him and town should back off. But it'll be really difficult for him to get away with it if he's mafia. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense? The only reason I do believe BB's claim? That was perhaps the dumbest way to claim that I've seen yet. It oddly lends credibility to the claim. But the reasons why I don't trust it: He apparently couldn't be bothered to read the rules even though he's trying to exploit them. The rules do not say that it's illegal to fake a roleclaim from the host, but they do say you cannot post a PM from a host. See the difference here? Notice he wasn't modkilled. And what's with risking a modkill so that the town doesn't waste a lynch? That's just silly.
With everyone watching his actions you think it will still be easy for him to pretend to be town? I just said it would be difficult to verify, that doesn't contradict the fact that everyone is looking for signs of scumminess.
I'm not sure if we can totally count on flamewheel to be completely strict can we? He wasn't modkilled but that could possibly be because flamewheel thought it was a honest mistake and let him get away with it. Or even that, just like with Jugan, he's waiting until the next cycle to proclaim modkills... regardless it requires some host input to really decide.
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Belgium9950 Posts
On April 28 2010 23:46 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 23:37 Scamp wrote:There's an odd trend of people voting for me and not posting, or posting about something else while not mentioning me at all but still voting for me. On April 28 2010 13:53 meeple wrote:
Alright... well in light of this roleclaim I'm going to switch my vote. Unfortunately, BrownBear picked a role that can't be easily verified. He's incorrect that the mafia will now be after him, since they'll spend 2 hits to kill him when really they could be going after more easily killable townies.
He's still under suspicion, perhaps now more than before... but if he's mafia it will be really difficult for him to get away with. So it's really difficult for anyone to verify it, mafia won't be after him and town should back off. But it'll be really difficult for him to get away with it if he's mafia. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense? The only reason I do believe BB's claim? That was perhaps the dumbest way to claim that I've seen yet. It oddly lends credibility to the claim. But the reasons why I don't trust it: He apparently couldn't be bothered to read the rules even though he's trying to exploit them. The rules do not say that it's illegal to fake a roleclaim from the host, but they do say you cannot post a PM from a host. See the difference here? Notice he wasn't modkilled. And what's with risking a modkill so that the town doesn't waste a lynch? That's just silly. With everyone watching his actions you think it will still be easy for him to pretend to be town? I just said it would be difficult to verify, that doesn't contradict the fact that everyone is looking for signs of scumminess. I'm not sure if we can totally count on flamewheel to be completely strict can we? He wasn't modkilled but that could possibly be because flamewheel thought it was a honest mistake and let him get away with it. Or even that, just like with Jugan, he's waiting until the next cycle to proclaim modkills... regardless it requires some host input to really decide.
I agree that we need an official statement of flamewheel of what he would do in both cases.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On April 29 2010 00:47 RaGe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 23:46 meeple wrote:On April 28 2010 23:37 Scamp wrote:There's an odd trend of people voting for me and not posting, or posting about something else while not mentioning me at all but still voting for me. On April 28 2010 13:53 meeple wrote:
Alright... well in light of this roleclaim I'm going to switch my vote. Unfortunately, BrownBear picked a role that can't be easily verified. He's incorrect that the mafia will now be after him, since they'll spend 2 hits to kill him when really they could be going after more easily killable townies.
He's still under suspicion, perhaps now more than before... but if he's mafia it will be really difficult for him to get away with. So it's really difficult for anyone to verify it, mafia won't be after him and town should back off. But it'll be really difficult for him to get away with it if he's mafia. Do you see how that doesn't make any sense? The only reason I do believe BB's claim? That was perhaps the dumbest way to claim that I've seen yet. It oddly lends credibility to the claim. But the reasons why I don't trust it: He apparently couldn't be bothered to read the rules even though he's trying to exploit them. The rules do not say that it's illegal to fake a roleclaim from the host, but they do say you cannot post a PM from a host. See the difference here? Notice he wasn't modkilled. And what's with risking a modkill so that the town doesn't waste a lynch? That's just silly. With everyone watching his actions you think it will still be easy for him to pretend to be town? I just said it would be difficult to verify, that doesn't contradict the fact that everyone is looking for signs of scumminess. I'm not sure if we can totally count on flamewheel to be completely strict can we? He wasn't modkilled but that could possibly be because flamewheel thought it was a honest mistake and let him get away with it. Or even that, just like with Jugan, he's waiting until the next cycle to proclaim modkills... regardless it requires some host input to really decide. I agree that we need an official statement of flamewheel of what he would do in both cases.
I'm dealing with it now. Just give me some time.
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Wow... People should learn to read the rules.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Guys, okay so I have to make this quick (class soon) but here's the decision on BrownBear:
BrownBear is to be modkilled but the town still gets a lynch. The reasoning behind that is one person messing up shouldn't affect the entire game.
Insert arbitrary lightning picture here:
BrownBear the Veteran has been Modkilled.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
I don't really have a choice as far as voting for Scamp. I'm getting a massive town (of the noob variety) vibe from Scara and a neutral vibe on Scamp. So, yeah.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Cool I got out of class early, so...
Given that BrownBear was modkilled, there are 17 people alive. We are still giving the town a lynch, so it will still take 9 people to make any majority. Those of you who voted for BrownBear, please vote again, though if you can't I won't modkill you since you've already technically made the vote. Deadline is still the same for tonight.
In the case that I'm not back and citi.zen can't take care of the night post, just bear with me. I'll get it up as quickly as possible.
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On April 28 2010 20:50 Scaramanga wrote:
Voted brownbear as i dont want to be killed
Did anyone notice this?
Still voting for BrownBear's after his claim, and people saying it shouldn't be wise to vote for him at that point.
Still you voted for him, just because you didn't want to die?
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i still dont trust some of the older players including u fishball
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You don't have to, and I don't care if you trust me or not. Just putting it out there.
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Wow. I screwed up. But Jugan, 4 other modkills, and now this? dFortunately flamewheel didn't decide to penalize us more by getting you for the strategic modkilling. That would have really hurt. Anyway, at least this gives us another chance to lynch a mafia. Not a lot of time to reach a majority, but I now think nbtnbt5 would be a good bet. Why? Well, first off, he's inactive. Like a lot of other people. But he's "interested that nai.protoss chose to analyze a really inactive poster". In itself, that sounds suspicious. Trying to hide much? Furthermore, when asked why he voted for Scaramanga, he says that he is pretty easily swayed, and cites blind support for BM's plan. Sorry, but you can't just get away with blind support. If he was truly swayed by the argument against Scaramanga (as presented by Rage methinks?), then he would know that the argument was that Scara is useless. Now, what exactly have you done, nbtnbt5? Hypocrisy much?
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jeezus christ lol 
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I really really don't like Scaramanga's play at all. All he does is do whatever he can do to avoid getting killed. This is terrible townie play. However, just about every person that I suspect is voting for him, so I've decided to go with Incognito on this one.
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On April 28 2010 12:22 nbtnbt5 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 08:50 Incognito wrote:
Hello nbtnbt5, would you care to explain to us why you voted for Scaramanga? I'm pretty easily swayed... (as you can see from my blind support of BM's assassin plan when I really didn't read/understand it) What the heck is this? I'm starting to think nbtnbt5 is getting WAY too complacent in this game. Such posting is unacceptable... While understandable as terrible play as mafia, I can't fathom why any town-aligned player would EVER post like this. Irregardless of new or not new. Unlike nai who actually came out and analyzed somebody, nbt's post history is a series of one liners, and he hasn't even responded to or acknowledged korynn's request. I am thus changing my vote to him, in the hope that he feels pressured to properly explain himself.
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Lol screw you scamp. Ninja posting before me. I am NOT following your bandwagon.
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