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Caller

Poland8075 Posts

April 18 2010 01:38 GMT

#301

where the hell are my nuclear weapons

flamewheel i let you troll my game and now this?

fuuuu

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 01:40 GMT

#302

Noone really had read my plan. We need to have Player A and Player B decided from a preset and randomized list in which we make the person kill each other. If the lynchee is an assassin don't you think they're going to be killing someone? If the killer can't kill and we don't believe their claim we lynch them, and if the assassin wants to live as the lynchee and help the town then we can keep them alive to do our bidding for as long as they win. We lynch all liars, as we make people prove what roles they are.

This would provide a roullette style system that would greatly put pressure on 2 people at a time. In a game this size, we need to have some semblance of order so that we don't slip into the chaos of Caller's game that cause a mafia victory

flamewheel

FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts

April 18 2010 01:52 GMT

#303

On April 18 2010 10:38 Caller wrote:
where the hell are my nuclear weapons

flamewheel i let you troll my game and now this?

fuuuu

Shhh those are supposed to be delivered to you later... kekeke.
Also Qatol you'll get a Beta key eventually <3

Now that I've already used my 3kth (-__-) I can post more now yay.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 01:54 GMT

#304

Assassin:

1. Zona
2. CynanMachae
3. tree.hugger
4. d3_crescentia
5. KF91
6. iNfuNdiBuLuM
7. RebirthOfLegend
8. BloodyC0bbler
9. Jugan
10. Scaramanga
11. Bill Murray
12. Fishball
13. RaGe
14. Foolishness
15. Scamp
16. Abenson
17. Ace
18. Caller
19. [NyC]HoBbes

Assassinated:
20. meeple
21. Fulgrim
22. JadeFist
23. Roffles
24. krndandaman
25. Falcynn
26. nbtnbt5
27. IntoTheWow
28. Elemenope
29. love1another
30. AcrossFiveJulys
31. nAi.PrOtOsS
32. DarthThienAn
33. Radfield
34. TheLardyGooser
35. Osmoses
36. jpak
37. motbob
38. madnessman

Would it be better for the town if we had everyone on the top list kill everyone on the bottom list tonight, or doing it one night at a time? The more I think about it, the more I don't feel like we need the top half to kill their counterpart at the bottom half.

From Zona killing Meeple to Hobbes killing madnessman. The result would still be chaotic. We need a refined system where people are scrutinized under the collective eye of the town.

Jugan

United States1566 Posts

April 18 2010 02:06 GMT

#305

On April 18 2010 08:57 KF91 wrote:

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First of all:

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And second, how are we supposed to believe you that you got the role that you usually get? From what I can search, you've only played in Incognito's Mafia XVI?

man you are so observant. i'm sure if you actually looked, you would be able to find out. genius. oh and speak of the devil. STUFF TO READ right after you decided to bash on me.

Jugan

United States1566 Posts

April 18 2010 02:08 GMT

#306

i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:10 GMT

#307

After that, we invert the list the following night. We move on to Fulgrim as the next assassin if meeple is killed. If Zona assassinates Meeple, then we can use Zona and other assassins to rolecheck when they are not going to be an assassin in the first night.

Assassin:
20. (DEAD POSSIBLY)meeple
21. Fulgrim
22. JadeFist
23. Roffles
24. krndandaman
25. Falcynn
26. nbtnbt5
27. IntoTheWow
28. Elemenope
29. love1another
30. AcrossFiveJulys
31. nAi.PrOtOsS
32. DarthThienAn
33. Radfield
34. TheLardyGooser
35. Osmoses
36. jpak
37. motbob
38. madnessman

Assassinated:
1. Zona
2. CynanMachae
3. tree.hugger
4. d3_crescentia
5. KF91
6. iNfuNdiBuLuM
7. RebirthOfLegend
8. BloodyC0bbler
9. Jugan
10. Scaramanga
11. Bill Murray
12. Fishball
13. RaGe
14. Foolishness
15. Scamp
16. Abenson
17. Ace
18. Caller
19. [NyC]HoBbes

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:11 GMT

#308

On April 18 2010 11:08 Jugan wrote:
i say we lynch the KF91 guy. he's annoying.

i always feel like he's red too, he feels ridiculously scummy to me.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:13 GMT

#309

Oh, and you'd put Zona under [NyC]Hobbes obviously. If Zona can't kill meeple, we lynch meeple unless he claims.

Foolishness

United States3044 Posts

April 18 2010 02:16 GMT

#310

On April 18 2010 08:05 meeple wrote:

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On April 18 2010 07:50 Foolishness wrote:

On April 18 2010 07:32 meeple wrote:

On April 18 2010 07:20 Foolishness wrote:

On April 18 2010 06:50 meeple wrote:
I don't agree that Day 3 is a good time to use the lynch... we still won't have tons of info by then. I was under the impression that a double lynch is to be used when we have lots of info and little time... Maybe by Day 4 or 5. The chances of it hitting townies on Day3 is pretty good... and mafia would just love if we crippled ourselves.

There are 38 players in the game. If we vote to use double lynch on day 2 (and thus it would be activated for day 3 lynch), then at the time of use, 2 days will have already passed. Ignoring medic saves cause medics always suck unless your name is Scamp, mafia will have killed 8 people. It'd be a safe assumption that by then at least one assassin/vigilante/mad hatter would have killed someone by then. So give or take by then 9 people will have died during the night, and 2 of our lynches brings the total up to 11. Seems reasonable that 10 to 11 people will be dead when we decide our day 3 lynch. That's going to be 28 people alive.

Considering there are 3 double lynches, waiting to use seems like a terrible idea. Waiting another day is probably another 4-6 people dead (pending vigi/assassin hits and hatters dying and such). That's roughly 23 people alive. Even assuming by then 2 mafia are already dead, 6 mafia to 23ish people is cutting it close.

And for good measure...

On April 18 2010 05:43 meeple wrote:

On April 18 2010 05:32 Zona wrote:
Hrm. I've confirmed with flamewheel that nobody has the ability to PM others or talk out of thread except for mafia. I find it highly fishy that so much of BC's proposed plan hinges on an aspect of the game that doesn't exist, and that he didn't himself ask to confirm.

It was a possibility that he said to exploit if possible... I wouldn't say that his plan hinged on it. In fact, it was a fairly minor part of the plan.

NOBODY CARES! POST SOMETHING OF VALUE PLEASE!

That's like the worst case scenario... you're not counting medic saves and veteran buffs... but still I concede by Day 3 we'll likely be whittled down. In my mind, it still doesn't justify killing more people unless we've got a solid lead on them. Like I said before, the double lynch is when we have more clues/solid leads than we can lynch... I don't want us to go to the polls and off two randoms because we don't know what to do with our lynches.

Also... a response to Zona's attack on BC isn't useless... if anything you should be attacking the people who have posted shit all, like BM, but even then it's not doing anything constructive... other than pointing out what everyone already knows

It goes well without saying that planning for the worst case scenario is much better than "hoping" for some medic saves and Vets taking hits and mafia being stupid. I've been in games where the town could've saved itself if it had double lynched earlier. Instead town was left in a situation where they needed both their double lynches to hit mafia in order to win. You can probably guess what happened.

Yes, I should listen to you and attack BC, who's posted shit all game...except he's actually contributing. Right now everyone disagrees with BC. But wait a minute! Something's not right here! BC told everyone to attack him (and caller and Ace) in his first post, and to not trust him at all. So all YOU have done is conformed to HIS plan, and act in a way that he totally anticipated and even wanted.

Great job doing exactly what BC wanted! Not only have you provided us with essential information, you've also made high quality posts alerting all of us of how BC is full of crap! If there were elections I'd so be voting for you right now. I'd also be telling everyone else of how godly you are at mafia. Can you teach me your secrets?

Perhaps it'd be best if you just start licking my testicles right now.

I never said to attack BC... in fact... I defended him when Zona was attacking him. I said BM as in Bill Murray, perhaps you just misread there. So yeah... you probably want to start licking those balls yourself.

Whoops, I did misread that, guess I'm licking my own balls tonight...

On April 18 2010 10:11 Abenson wrote:
1 more irrelevant question:

Osmoses, do you have stim? :O
If you don't, I can still kill you if I'm a crackling :D

NOBODY CARES

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

April 18 2010 02:21 GMT

#311

--- Nuked ---

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:23 GMT

#312

On April 18 2010 11:21 krndandaman wrote:
Bill Murray become our president?

No, I am the representative of L the owner of all the casinos in Liq Vegas :p

motbob

United States12546 Posts

April 18 2010 02:24 GMT

#313

If I were an assassin, I would not follow through with this plan. I would try to create as much chaos within the town as possible. I do not see an incentive for assassins to follow along with this plan since it makes them targets for mafia hits on night 3.

motbob

United States12546 Posts

April 18 2010 02:41 GMT

#314

To clarify, I would kill a random target instead of killing my assigned target.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:47 GMT

#315

On April 18 2010 11:41 motbob wrote:
To clarify, I would kill a random target instead of killing my assigned target.

then we lynch you
i definitely want to lynch all liars

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:48 GMT

#316

you know how flamewheel thinks about me, so you all know i'm green, and probably the miller. as it is all i have is my vote, and i'm probably going to be putting it on zona. ive got a strong gut feeling on him being scum. i'd suggest you all to do the same, but lets not rush into anything stupid.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:50 GMT

#317

If we lynch Zona, the Night 1 assassin will be CynanMachae, the other assassins should be rolechecking to find other assassins and scum.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:51 GMT

#318

and what do you all about us doing a collective roleclaim? it puts a lot of pressure on reds like in that game where all of the reds claimed green roles when there werent any.

motbob

United States12546 Posts

April 18 2010 02:57 GMT

#319

On April 18 2010 11:51 Bill Murray wrote:
and what do you all about us doing a collective roleclaim? it puts a lot of pressure on reds like in that game where all of the reds claimed green roles when there werent any.

I think I'm losing confidence in your plan by the minute.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

April 18 2010 02:59 GMT

#320

When I push for a Zona lynch, it is an argument of Nature vs. Nurture. It is innate gut feeling players vs. those who use experience and concepts. I am in the previous category, and I won't criticize your play if you don't criticize mine. As far as I'm concerned, I am suspicious of anyone trying to analyze the roles of the game. For me, if Zona is red like I expect people will defend him (except maybe Meeple, as i'll explain that only if required from a majority of the town), because they are doing so only after my bringing FoS onto him. I am very suspicious of Zona and BC as I feel like their argument was a show for the town.

Wait, no, I'll tell you why meeple won't be able to have zona's scummer blanket taken off his eyes... because he is a terrible player.

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