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On March 23 2010 16:45 nemY wrote: just got back, haven't really read the thread; will try to read and post in the morning; goodnight  There is literally nothing to read over here anyway. Well, except Ace's RV on Vivi. | ||
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Another thing I note is shootout between Versatile and citi.zen. Maybe it is me, but I think citi.zen was unnecessarily demeaning in his accusation against Versatile. Line "This is slightly more ... barely" was completely unneeded, and ho the mud swinging begins. Currently I don't know what to make out of this since encouraging discussion is highly beneficial to the town, and he might have wanted to coax out more material to work with, but both parties are being too emotional (?) for mot liking, with what I suppose is Versatile's OMGUS vote. I'll be keeping my eye out for the both of them. | ||
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On March 25 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote: Woops, just saw Versatile's post above mine. My post meant no mockery Nemy. Just stating I didn't know all these acronyms being used as well. Also, I guess the new trend now is to point a FoS on A, and vote for B  Because there would be no point if we vote for the person we FoS on, right? It is commonly used to point out secondary suspects, snap some lazy players into attention, and fake-vote replacement when there are too little player left after all. | ||
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I'll see how Ace's arguments holds up. | ||
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On March 26 2010 00:28 citi.zen wrote: From the other game, but clearly that could be a problem here as well. No private PM weakens trust circles = trouble for town. Right? But there are only one blue role in this game, so although we can't organize, as long as that player is capable we'll be fine- unlike the other game where I suppose are plethora of blue roles and nukes present. Less individuals more simplicity. By the way Ace, speaking of that other game do you any idea who are the Mafia over there?  | ||
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On March 26 2010 00:38 Ace wrote: naw I don't (know) ^_^ | ||
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On March 27 2010 00:13 citi.zen wrote: By the way, mafia KP is 1 in this game, right? + Show Spoiler + I am going by this, unless I screwed up the counting: - The earliest the mafia can win is night 3. The chance of this occurring randomly is approximately 24%. Yes. | ||
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I don't have much to write about Ace for now, but this is because Ace is not giving me enough big posts (after night 1) to work with -_-;;; One thing I have to point out is that you have ignored one good statement out of RebirthOfLegend's post, being "I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it" though I think RoL's reasoning is bit different from mine. Okay, at this setup there are two Mafia and seven Townies. I this setup it is highly disadvantageous for Mafia to counter role-claim blue occupation because it becomes trade-off of one blue role for one Mafia- more I think about it, Mafia will not want to push themselves into situation which is likely to create situation of 1 Mafia vs 1 Blue - 5 Townie. I've been Mafia in E11 game where my partner was lynched day 1, so I know how hellish it is to win: 1) by yourself (no support), 2) when one correct lynch is the end of Mafia. I just don't think Mafia would have thrown their two-person advantage that early, which is why I thought vivi's claim were valid. Also, I admit guilty to not switching votes because I wanted to hear about what other people thought about it. No other reason. On March 27 2010 13:28 citi.zen wrote: And no, even if my vote switch were on time, I still could not have saved Vivi by myself, since in the event of a tie the first person with 3 votes still gets lynched. Yes, but it would have been one step closer to saving vivi. Since there are no PM communications I would think people wanting to save vivi would act individually hoping others would follow. On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote: I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment. Um, because it is evidence Ace is using to incriminate you? Posts are always used to find scums, which is why Mafia lurking technique is so effective. I don't see your point here. On March 27 2010 22:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh sorry guys, I am going to assume the confusion comes from the wifom part and why I think Ace is mafia and not my reasoning on Day 1 RC's. I was a little tired ^_^ I write this because Ace disagreed with the depth of a WIFOM argument where someone does something because they predict an action so they do something else. The posts above. Plus this scenario is unlikely. I meant from what the view would be from an outsider, in order for citizen to be mafia and being try to get us to lynch Ace instead he would have had to planned to fight with her from the beginning of Day 1 and then kill her during the night. Since they were fighting and she ended up dead you could say he didn't like her so he killed her, but that would draw attention onto himself. But if Citizen KNEW we were going to think that way, then we wouldn't suspect him and would go for someone else. I hope that is more clear T_T sorry. If my former scenario was the true when and Citizen IS mafia, then that is how it would appear to me. My overall impression is that this proves how this vivi-versatile death situation can be interpreted in both ways; whether either of them are convincing enough to warrant a vote, I am not sure about. | ||
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On March 28 2010 03:44 Ace wrote: so like, is anyone going to help save me or do I have to write out a long counter post? You guys do realize its LYNCH OR LOSE right? When I flip town due to TWO votes on me the game is over. I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive. ? Currently 2 Mafia - 5 Townie If fail: 2 Mafia - 3 Townie Correct lynch (since either citizen or Ace is likely Mafia) 1 Mafia - 2 Townie, with one last lynch to go. | ||
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common ordinary e11 mafia game EPIC MASSIVE NUCLEAR INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL IDIOT-FILLED APOCALYPTIC SHITSTORM ![[image loading]](http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2143/albumpicphpj.jpg) It literally took me some effort to motivate myself into making that big post. By the way, why did you change rules when johnnyspazz was nuked? I thought you answered multiple anti-nukes were allowed when I sent you PM after johnnyspazz messed up. | ||
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On March 28 2010 04:22 Ace wrote: no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^ lol I was almost tempted to quote it and post it back in WaW thread when I saw your post actually :p Back to the topic, that's not much we can do if both Mafia is lurking because its going to be crapshoot between Mafia and inactive Townies. It'll just be useful to assume at least one of the active players is Mafia, and try to go from there. | ||
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##vote citi.zen## | ||
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Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball First thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play". Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state. Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now. Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted". On March 28 2010 16:10 Fishball wrote: Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes. Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this. haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment. This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area. In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me. Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players. By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves. | ||
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2) When does the day end? | ||
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On April 01 2010 06:02 Ace wrote: Next Jspazz lurked too. Even worse when he did post well...yea. Clear bandwagoning. I'm sure you yourself would agree you two look the most suspect. And I see nemY lurked reasonably too. Why single out Jspazz? You seem to be here so hopefully we can get some form of discussion going. Btw, it only take few minutes to find a topic you can write about, but to write a big post trying to explain it convincingly eats up your time like no tomorrow. | ||
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"Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball" | ||
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Ace 63 posts Fishball 19 posts haster27 28 posts johnnyspazz 30 posts nemY 25 posts First, discussing how posted how much is pretty irrelevant at this point because other than you our post counts are same same. Though I agree johnnyspazz was more prone to posting one-liners until his vote switch. | ||
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##vote johnnyspazz## | ||
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That is why I was dubious about voting for Ace, as he had two votes already and Ace seemed to be scrambling for someone else to bandwagon. Thus I tried to create a situation where there would be 2v2 situation, and seeing how other players responded to my vote (I claimed to have left for the day so that player may believe my vote will be unchanged), counter-vote. Combined with the fact that Fishball had not placed his vote yet, I expected there to be at least one ninja-vote by Mafia to win the game. However, with nemY vote change, I realize if Fishball stack vote on johnnyspazz it will be hard to overturn. Thus changing my vote accordingly now. ##Vote Fishball## | ||
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Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that? | ||
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I expected Mafia to vote-switch, but looks like only we ended up scrambling. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:03 Fishball wrote: I wasn't exactly lurking, like said above. I was waiting to for my chance to vote. I was the only one that have NOT voted yet. If I don't vote I'll simply be mod-killed. Which is why I expected you to be Mafia ninja voter, whereupon I'll immediately counter vote. nemY screwed up that plan. | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:59 Fishball wrote: I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute. You totally screwed up my plan haster... ##vote Ace## The plan was screwed the minute Xelin changed votes. No matter how you would vote johnnyspazz would have been voted out for having early 2 votes against him. Which is why immediately thought this was indirect Mafia move and voted for Ace. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:08 Fishball wrote: I wouldn't really call that ninja voting, as I didn't even vote yet. Unless you guys actually thought I would get myself mod-killed. Haster ninja changed his vote. That's a real ninja! lol there are good ninjas in the world too. | ||
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nemY changed his vote at this state: Ace (2) nemY, johnnyspazz johnnyspazz (2) haster27, Ace which turned the situation into Ace (1) johnnyspazz Fishball (1) nemY johnnyspazz (2) haster27, Ace Even if Fishball interfered it would have been impossible to override early 2 vote disadvantage johnnyspazz had. Note that I tried hard to give impression I will not be here now when I posted my vote. The one thing doubting me is that he could have stacked vote on johnnyspazz so I did not become the decisive factor on the lynch, but I suppose it is possible he was looking out for possibility of Fishball and my ninja-vote. Fishball is suspicious for waiting too, but if Fishball was Mafia Ace and he could have all zergrushed Fishball vote to overcome my ninja-vote. | ||
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Sorry I voted with Ace day 2. My specialty is mechanics where everything is cut and clear- I suck at post analysis. | ||
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Okay. I tried to keep myself quiet during the night because I was trying to avoid myself from getting killed. This is because I am 100% Townie for the same logic Fishball proposed. If I had not changed my vote when nemY changed his vote to Fishball, Ace would not have been lynched and Mafia would have won. This is why I am predicting my vote to be decisive vote. Seeing as day is only 24 hours, I hope both players to write out long explanatory post explaining why they are not Mafia, and why they think the other player is Mafia. I'll put them into consideration before making my choice. But first of the matter, why did you change your votes nemY? Only relevant post I see of matter- unlike Fishball - is just "Are you guys serious?" and "I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either". Before you changed your vote Ace had early 2 player advantage. Your vote changed it so that lynch target became johnnyspazz. Only reason I see is that maybe you were afraid of Fishball choosing the outcome, and you were fully convinced that johnnyspazz was Mafia (b/c your vote change makes it so that even Fishball ninja-vote Ace johnny will be lynhced). However, if so, why vote for Ace in the first place? Because of your pre-night actions, you are under lot of suspicion. I hope you present understandable thought process. | ||
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Will remove when he stops lurking. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2166/2180058584_9024963a17.jpg) TIC TOC TIC TOC The clock ticks. Thirty minutes remaining. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://slapfish.com/failure/failure0400.jpg) TIC TOC TIC TOC The clock ticks. Twenty munites remaining. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.myowneyes.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/china_old_man.jpg) 你用中文的邏輯想法去回英文的話 根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣 你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz. Fifteen minutes remaining. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.projectsaber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/unlimited_blade_works.jpg) I am the bone of my Town Townie is my body, and green is my blood I have created over a thousand thoughts Unknown to lurkers Nor known to life Have withstood pain to endure many idiots Yet those hands alone never accomplish anything So as I pray Unlimited Voting Works Ten minutes remaining | ||
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![[image loading]](http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs22/f/2009/244/f/b/the_culprit_is_you_by_KL_chan.jpg) You are Mafia! ##Vote johnnyspazz## | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.pinstocker.com/files//pins/400/number_one_smooth.jpg) There. johnnyspazz is lynched due to having early 1 vote disadvantage (lol). Now what? | ||
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At the very moment I was not night-killed, I was panicking. Because at that moment I had made my thesis very clear; I am 100% Townie, johnnyspazz would have been lynched, and nemY vote change was clearly Mafia attempt. Now in my thoughts most beneficial condition nemY could have taken was kill me, and leave Fishball and johnnyspazz. Because of Fishball and johnnyspazz spat, nemY could have somehow convinced johnnyspazz into voting for Fishball, arguing that his declaration of intention to "vote for Ace" could not be proven, and he just went with lynching Ace because his and my vote change forced him to. If I am alive, most logical action I could have taken was to vote nemY, who made scummiest move, out of johnnyspazz, last lynch target. Easy as that. Too easy I thought. Then that paranoia got my brain rolling. First, if nemY was not Mafia, why wouldn't he have voted for johnnyspazz? That would have created undefeatable 3-man advantage. Now on hindsight I realize both moves nullify Fishball ninja vote without less implicating himself- but I had Battler level intelligence after all. Then, johnnyspazz: I felt the Ace was unnaturally eager in suggesting johnnyspazz as Mafia (obviously excluding nemY), and following me when I baited him. That made me recall the Mafia question Ace threw down about the last day situation, with medic and all that. You could have remembered. Ace said that last day earning the trust of Townie was highly important. Now, that was interesting possibility. Ace, instead of risking identity of both Mafia trying to end the game now, might have gone for insurance policy and tried to start bandwagon against his partner. This is ingenious move I thought Ace was fully capable of making up. If Ace is lynched, johnnyspazz- who were lynch target- has good material to prove his "innocence". If johnnyspazz is lynched, Ace can make strong argument about why he would have not chosen to end the game. As I recalled this highly efficient idea rang out in my mind "IT'S A TRAP!! I AM ALREADY IN A TRAP!!". No. I was not. I was victim of over-analysis and paranoia. Sigh. Any questions you further wish to ask? | ||
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On April 04 2010 11:47 Ace wrote: Yes from way way early in the game I told nemy to wagon me. It's a lot of stuff to write out which I will do later when I'm not lazy ^_^ Damn. I should have actually read through nemY's posts then. He suddenly changing votes should have put a larger alarm on my head  | ||
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Ace MVP for sure. | ||
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On April 04 2010 12:04 nemY wrote: haha holy shit i just read the last few pages ROFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLL haster you switched to jspazz? Yup. My post explains it all. | ||
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Nemy, can you country-claim down there? | ||
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"Micropolis 3: New day and start of misery The town finds Town's founder, and survivor of last Mafia incursion, haster27 dead!" That does it. Going to sign in there NOW. (is there spot available?) | ||
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On March 31 2010 10:09 L wrote: Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3. I was actually just starting to read through second Micro-Mafia, and this cracked me up. | ||
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