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Lunch break now though. So we get to vote right off the bat? ##Vote nemY## | ||
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On March 24 2010 06:19 nemY wrote: Lol I like how you used more or less the same excuse as me and voted for me because of it ##Vote Fishball## On a more serious note... anyone got any plans? No, I voted you because of... well, um... Oh, this. Shouldn't you be voting for citizen, he did it first! | ||
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On March 25 2010 02:39 nemY wrote: Can someone explain the terminology we are using? Like mainly the meanings behind it. WIFOM is whine in front of me, but i don't understand the exact logic behind it i don't really know the rest... is FoS finger of suspicion? You are right, it means finger of suspicion. I googled it last night myself, since I didn't know what it meant as well. | ||
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My post meant no mockery Nemy. Just stating I didn't know all these acronyms being used as well. Also, I guess the new trend now is to point a FoS on A, and vote for B | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:14 Zona wrote: Under 2 hours left until the end of the day! It seems like it has been forever. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. On March 21 2010 10:42 Zona wrote: Player list 1. 2. Ace 3. citi.zen (aka: citizen) 4. Fishball 5. haster27 (aka: haster) 6. johnnyspazz (aka: johnny, jonny, or jonnyspazz) 7. nemY 8. 9. As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation. | ||
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I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. | ||
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On March 28 2010 15:17 citi.zen wrote: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me. Either your comprehension skills are bad, or you're trying to make a play. I said I know I'm green, but I also said I don't expect everyone to believe me. I could very well be red in another player's eyes. I don't get what you're trying to pick at. I've made up my mind. ##Vote citi.zen## | ||
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Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes. Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this. haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment. | ||
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Statistically speaking, any Green would have a 50% chance of hitting a red by voting randomly. Not that it matters. It would be over if Town missed the next lynch. | ||
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Interesting move by johnnyspazz at the end of Day vote change. Not regarding the voting subject, as voting for me is totally legit, but the move itself. - johnnyspazz tried to make a last minute vote change. Why? - I don't know whether Ace or citi.zen got three votes first, but it would be irrelevant. If citi.zen got 3 votes first, he would still be lynched, and johnnyspazz's action would mean nothing. If Ace got 3 votes first, Ace would be lynched. If johnnyspazz wanted Ace to be lynched, why vote for a 3rd person instead of directly voting for Ace? Doesn't want the extra "attention"? - Voting for me at that point of the game would do nothing. It is impossible for me to be lynched with just 1 vote. If he says his intent was to "lynch" me, I call BS. Quite a bad move there johnnyspazz. | ||
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On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote: i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death imo a red player wouldn't even bother posting something like that i changed my vote to get a possible reaction wrong. there is no "unvote" option so to kill ace instead of citizen, all i have to do is switch my vote to anyone. why so defensive over a single vote? I can see you have reading comprehension problems as well. I already said it is legit to vote for me, but your last minute action was obviously not intended to lynch me as it simply would not happen at that point. The entire post was to question your actions, not why or why not I should be lynched. On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote: why so defensive over a single vote? I repeat again, your reading sucks. On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote: i tried to change my vote so that ace would die because of citi.zens final post before his death i changed my vote to get a possible reaction So like I mentioned above, if you wanted Ace dead you could have just voted for him. So you voted for me, just to see "a possible reaction", at the last minute, yeah sure. Ace could very well be Mafia, and I have no problem voting for him next. But if you keep up your sketchy little moves like this, I'm inclined to vote for you first. There is a saying, "Dumb Townie or Mafia, both deserve to die". Also, On March 30 2010 07:43 nemY wrote: Can we please just lynch Ace next time day comes around? On March 30 2010 07:46 johnnyspazz wrote: so you and fishball can autowin this game? NO THANKS So me, Nemy, Ace are all Mafia now right? Oh wait. | ||
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On March 30 2010 12:29 Zona wrote: To give an example of a violation of this rule: Everyone is saying Zona is mafia and is about to lynch him. To save himself, he posts, "I promise never to play in TL mafia games again if I turn out not to be town." Everyone thinks to themselves, "Well, Zona loves to play mafia on TL, so he wouldn't lie about that. I guess he really is town," and unvotes him. This is against the spirit of the game. I actually hate this crap a lot as well. Like BM in previous games, and QS trying to get himself mod-killed in BC's game, when he was indeed Mafia. Ugh. | ||
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On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote: wtf fishball, do YOU have reading comprehension problems? i knew ace got three votes first so yes he would've died no matter who i changed votes to, it just happened to be you. yes i did it to see if i got a reaction, maybe in hindsight it was dumb? but your reaction to a single vote is quite over the top. i never said you,nemy, and ace are all mafia. are you retarded? i said you and nemy are mafia meaning ace is green. if we all lynch ace, the town auto loses because he is green. also, yes please vote to kill me you stupid idiot, when you kill a dumb townie at this point of the game we instant lose. i thought you were the type to read everyone's posts carefully but i guess not. lol, typical dumb argument. I'm not going to bother since I already said it once. Anyways, just to point out something interesting. On March 30 2010 07:33 johnnyspazz wrote: i tried to change my vote so that ace would die On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote: i knew ace got three votes first so yes he would've died no matter who i changed votes to On March 30 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote: i said you and nemy are mafia meaning ace is green. if we all lynch ace, the town auto loses because he is green. | ||
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Anyways, I'll vote whenever I want. Right now I'm just enjoying the ride. | ||
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On March 30 2010 15:01 johnnyspazz wrote: man, maybe instead of acting like youre the shit, maybe you can help improve my reading comprehension skills eh? If you want to "improve", first thing I suggest is to stop your little annoying bitchy attitude, stop twisting my words inside your own little world, and stop acting like a be-headed chicken running around. Just look at all your posts on page 15. Ask anyone, and see what they think of it. On March 30 2010 14:59 johnnyspazz wrote: w/e eff this game ##vote ace## I'd say eff you. | ||
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On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Anyways I'll try to bring the activity up by posting my top 3 suspects for now: Excluding yourself, your top 3 list is 3 out of 4 remaining players. Just saying. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Fishball The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list" That was never a real mafia list, hence the statement: PURE SPECULATION. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen. citi.zen used a flaw argument saying that I could be Mafia, where I already mentioned right there that I could very well be. Do all of you guys fail at reading? You make a mistake, I vote for you, pretty much that simple. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. 1. I already said the list was pure speculation. You and citi.zen both failed to understand what that means. 2. I specifically mentioned in the post that I could very well be Mafia, and the Town need not believe everything I say. You and citi.zen both missed that as well. 3. Either citi.zen has bad comprehension skills (like the majority of players tbh), or he is playing dumb to "accuse" me, when all the stuff has ALREADY been covered in the first place. I actually think citi.zen is a decent player. Just to elaborate more regarding the term "bad comprehension skills". It doesn't exactly mean the person is bad at reading and/or understanding, although those are the main causes. Another thing is people tend to skim through posts and just start to reply, which is actually even more annoying. A lot of information is lost in translation, key terms are missed, and people just start arguing over virtually nothing (Your post is a good example). This is also one of the reasons why I avoid long daily debates and tend to keep things to myself to a certain degree. | ||
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On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote: I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have: Unless i'm mistaken me being in the "bottom bracket" would mean you think i could be mafia because i'm "hypothetically" on the second half of your list. You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity. I'm only doing this once. Definitions of "Speculation": - a guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence. - a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence). Search it up on Google. I've already underlined all the keywords for you. What you've said is hardly evidence, or to say, even related to me "sticking" and "defending" my list. For example, if there is a list of 10 players, and I claim there must be a mafia among 1-3 and 8-10 respectively; A DT comes out and says No.5 is Mafia. I refuse to listen and say it is not possible due to X and Y reasons. THAT would be sticking to and defending my list. So, I created this list purely for speculation (definition above!). What am I supposed to do after? Of course I'm going to speculate! On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote: nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention. I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. I never once said you ARE Mafia did I? Keywords are underlined. What is it again? Speculation! On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity. Now after I re-read what you said above, seems like you got it all wrong in the first place. - First off, my "out of nowhere" statement was AFTER the list, not before. (List on page 10, statement on page 12) - Secondly, all that you've mentioned and quoted on me, I've already explained above. The entire thing is basically speculation, from one point to another. If they don't link, then it would be pointless wouldn't it? On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote: I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have It is quite convenient that among the 5 points I've replied to you, you choose the 3rd one. Sure it is one of the shortest lines, but the others aren't exactly very long either. To me, it's more like you have something to say and reply to regarding this point, but not the others. I understand it is just normal human nature to avoid acknowledging things that are undesirable to your self interest (reminds me of L), but still. Hey, god knows, maybe you really don't have time and you just eyeballed #3 and started replying. This is all about specu... Never mind, I'm sick of this word now. | ||
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He has been active in the other game but not this one, even when we don't have that many players left. If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick. | ||
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On April 01 2010 05:54 haster27 wrote: I see I am being suspected due to my inactivity. I expected this sooner or later; I over-extended myself signing in two games after all. I have no other defense to mount besides the fact that I have been too much preoccupied trying to save the disaster that was going down on WaW Mafia. Thus at this point I will just post my analysis of all alive players. Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball First thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play". Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state. Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now. Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted". This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area. In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me. Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players. By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves. Why hello there. I knew you would pop out after I singled you out. Now, I've done enough talking about the god damn list in the past few pages, and ALL your points have already been answered. You are basically repeating what Nemy said, same shit over and over again. If you are too naive to understand or lazy to read, feel free to say and bash whatever you like. Regarding the "Nemy-top-suspect" quote, that was many days ago. I also said you were at the bottom of my list at the time too, but that has also changed also, right? | ||
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On March 31 2010 19:49 Zona wrote: Play to win. There's only 1-4 real life days remaining in the game anyways so please put forth your best effort. Just because of this quote, I'm inclined to think johnnyspazz might be green. | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:57 haster27 wrote: ##Vote Ace## Upon deeper consideration, as a Townie you know Townies need to unite to vote out someone and yet you would change your vote like that? I was going to make the last call at the 2 : 2 vote tie, during the last minute. You totally screwed up my plan haster... ##vote Ace## | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:58 Ace wrote: lol @ this last minute wagon to FB. ##vote haster27## Last minute voting is no thx. I like how lurkers show up at the very end on a LYLO. I was observing the pattern and keep track of the thread this entire hour when I was busy typing up a post in your game. Haster broke the balance and that just blew all my plans to ashes. If you are green Ace, no one can save you now after Haster's vote chance. If you are red, then good riddance... | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:00 Ace wrote: somehow I knew FB was lurking I wasn't exactly lurking, like said above. I was waiting to for my chance to vote. I was the only one that have NOT voted yet. If I don't vote I'll simply be mod-killed. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:05 nemY wrote: I knew FB was going to ninja-vote, I didn't expect anything from you haster either I wouldn't really call that ninja voting, as I didn't even vote yet. Unless you guys actually thought I would get myself mod-killed. Haster ninja changed his vote. That's a real ninja! | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:06 haster27 wrote: The plan was screwed the minute Xelin changed votes. No matter how you would vote johnnyspazz would have been voted out for having early 2 votes against him. Which is why immediately thought this was indirect Mafia move and voted for Ace. Hi Xelin | ||
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This game, Ace is "active", but he basically did nothing. He did argue with citi.zen and some others, but a crucial point to me is, he didn't lead any movements, something that he usually tries to do. No plans, no accuses, only defense and riding ideas. I've seen enough of Ace in all these TL games, and this behavior felt off to me. Versatile's death, I briefly brought this up early on, but was not enough to convince others and even myself that Ace is red. Now this Day, is basically the most important Day of the game. We miss a lynch, the game is over for Town. We lynch a red, we are still in it. Everyone knows Ace is a veteran player. If any other player is Mafia, and Ace is a townie, I'm 200% sure they would kill him off as soon as they have the chance. This is what I mean by "stood out after RoL's death" mentioned up top. I know Ace read all my posts, and definitely have read my thorough explanation to Nemy regarding "my list". Yet he still said the "logic was crap" on page 16. Ace isn't dumb. So I take a look at the list again. Who is left? Ace. During all these voting periods, Ace vote hopped, not just one day, one time. He doesn't do this, at least not this easy, this frequent. As a person who takes pride of his own intelligence, it's like self admitting he didn't do any analysis or thinking of his own and just agrees with whoever that makes sense. Just look at the voting pattern of the last Day. You add all these points up, you eventually see the bigger picture. I never brought my thoughts up in the thread because I knew it would just turn into an eternal loophole debate with Ace, which is a waste of energy, and confusing for the actual townies. When haster and Ace both voted for johnnyspazz, Nemy and johnnyspazz both voted for Ace, the situation was a 2:2 stalemate. This was my chance to prove that I am 100% townie: To vote at the last second. Why? Pretty simple. Like I mentioned above, this is a key Day. If town lynches wrong, it is the end. Just to break it down, 3 Town 2 Mafia, lynch Town -> 2 Town 2 Mafia -> kill Town -> 1 Town 2 Mafia, bandwagon vote Town -> Mafia Wins. If I voted Ace at the last second and he turned out green, it would be over and it wouldn't matter if I'm Mafia or not. If I voted Ace at the last second and he turned out red, I would be 100% Townie. Due to the fact if I am Mafia, I can just vote for the other person that I know that isn't Mafia, and win the game right there. If one of you want to argue that I just want to drag out the game longer, I'll just slap you with my *beep*. However, reality is always a bit different, as haster made a vote change near the end and my plan all went to hell, well almost. At least you all know why I saved my vote now. Man, I was almost sure haster was Mafia as well if he didn't change his vote. So, nemy, johnny, haster. Who is lying? | ||
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On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote: lying about what? what do you think about my post earlier? do i really look red to you? You know what? I don't care if you are Mafia or Townie or a Teletubbie right now. I want to choke you so bad. I don't even know if I should try or even know how to reply to this statement of yours. So much is lost in translation. | ||
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Either you are flat out playing dumb, or your command of English is just way off. Basically the scenario is like this, every single time. I'm talking about A and B, you reply to me but it's about X and Y. My reaction: -_- These are the answers I had in my head at that exact moment when I saw your post. On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote: Uh, do you know how to read? Did I said you lied?lying about what? On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote: You are your billion one liners?what do you think about my post earlier? On April 01 2010 12:19 johnnyspazz wrote:do i really look red to you? After I punch your nose, yes. | ||
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On April 01 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote: lol okay you say so you think one of us is lying right? i ask you what could i be lying about, but i guess in your world that doesn't make any sense. ...I guess in your world, your sense is to not making sense in order to make sense. Sense my censored thoughts sensor? On April 01 2010 15:22 johnnyspazz wrote: i was referring to this post that for some reason you decided not to read. Oh I've read it all right, as well as the rest of your gibberish. You assume I didn't read it just because I didn't know exactly which post you were referring too. Thumbs up. | ||
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根本文不對路, 意思層面已經不一樣 你自己可能看不出來, 我看到就真的Orz. | ||
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I already did mine on page 19, so it is up to you guys. I also hope Zona change the next Day cycle to 24 hours. 48 hours would just be excessive with only 3 players left, especially when everyone left in the game likes to lurk. | ||
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On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote: What made you think that posting in another language was a good idea? Posting something that only some but not all of the involved players can read? You pretty much answered your own question in your second paragraph. Simply because it wasn't in the rules. On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote:I had tried to keep the ruleset of games 1 and 2 slim as many players have already demonstrated their lack of ability to read and follow everything I have included. But upon seeing that there are examples of players on TL mafia who try to circumvent the stated rules and the idea of fairness behind them, I went and threw everything I could think of into game 3, including "no encryption allowing quasi-private communications". But apparently I wasn't clever enough to consider languages other than English allowing something like this as well. On April 02 2010 07:37 Zona wrote: You must provide an accurate translation of what you posted in the next 18 hours, including any non-literal interpretation that a native speaker of the language could read from what you posted. The night has been extended for at least 24 hours. After you post a translation, I will decide whether or not addition remedies are required. Or else what? You gonna spank me? Just kidding, you've been a nice host. Here is my explanation. Since johnnyspazz "claims" that he is from Taiwan, and conveniently, I speak 3 languages with Chinese being one of them, I decided to type it up here rather than to PM him, since there was an actual rule saying "No PM". It is more of a personal message really. My intent was to send him a message that he could actually understand (or so I thought), instead of the random crap in the past few pages. What I meant to say was: You are directly translating English to Chinese and thinking in Chinese logic to reply to an English statement. It doesn't really make sense as a lot of the core meaning has changed. Maybe you couldn't tell, but whenever I see your replies, it makes me go "Orz" I'm pretty sure some of you used Google translate and got this: The logic of your idea to the Chinese, then back to English Man does not simply road, meaning the same level has not You could not tell, I see really Orz. "Orz", is a common term used by the Taiwanese. It's a portray of a person kneeling down in frustration. It kinda means "-_-" in one way or another. Picture it this way. O - Head r - Hand and Body z - Legs As you can see, me typing in another language wasn't an intent to break the rules, in fact, I tried to play within the rules. However, I do see where you're coming from as a host and I apologize. Regardless, after seeing johnnyspazz's reply up top, I don't know who or what he is anymore. I give up. | ||
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Ninja edit. Because I don't read either! | ||
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