EPTAlso where is everyone else? Let's not allow discussion to stall so people can lollurk their way through the game.
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Also where is everyone else? Let's not allow discussion to stall so people can lollurk their way through the game. | ||
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Sigh, Vivi getting medic was pretty much an auto loss from the start. | ||
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This thread has only 7 pages and he's managed to accuse at least 3 people?! How is that good town play? Even with the last minute roleclaim he looked shoddy. When you are being band wagoned the last thing you'd want to do is accuse multiple people - they'll tend NOT to take their votes off of you in that case. Then again, your vote is on him too. Why didn't you switch?  You could have voted for Johnnyspazz and tied it up, hoping someone else switched their vote too. What was your reason for not switching, because we all know I wasn't going to move my vote anyway. | ||
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On March 26 2010 11:52 citi.zen wrote: Also, I am asking you specifically Ace since you are most likely to know lynching someone who claimed blue made little sense. You played a LOT of games and thought about these sort of situations many times. ??? You must not know me ^_^ I'm one of the few people who'd lynch a DT or medic claiming Day 1 in a second. | ||
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If a medic claims why should you let them live? Look at what you're suggesting: Player A claims medic on day 1. The town lets him live, saying that if the Mafia kill him he's proved he is a medic. The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day. If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position. Then there's the classic argument of why would Mafia claim Medic when they are about to die - why not? The optimal play is staying alive.If scum feels a medic claim will confound the town, let him live another day and be able to weasel away with it then he's winning. Just because players are bad doesn't mean the play the town made was bad itself. He flipped medic but everything before his claim was terrible play. Any good player would have called for his head. | ||
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The Mafia knowing this, has a really good option not to kill the medic because the town will lynch him the next day. If the medic lives that night, the town can't go back and say "well maybe the Mafia decided not to hit him". Why would we? We'd be back in Day 1 a player short and in the same position. Next day there still isn't any good reason for the town to lynch him, unless the mafia happened to kill a medic during the night making it plainly obvious he was lying. Otherwise the same logic applies: let the mafia waste the KP and/or wait for a DT check or a competing medic claim/death to clarify things/provide more information. There IS a good reason for the town to lynch him. Look, if the Mafia never hit a medic but always get their kills through the real medic is essentially useless. What is the town going to do? Blame the medic? They can't because they aren't even sure the medic is legit. Do you think the REAL medic is going to roleclaim?! Seriously? Which is going to definitely result in a dead medic that night - the same thing you want to avoid. Mafia don't waste KP killing medics - thats exactly what they want. Medics aren't there to take bullets that is just absurd thinking. Then in a small game as this, you want the DT to RC the medic which just helps what I'm trying to tell you - the DT must not believe the medic claim. Else why would he "waste a rolecheck" right? :D If a red role-claims they are taking a major risk: the "real" blue is out there looking to nail them. This is a better position for town than what we have now. If the "real" medic somehow dies the town automatically knows the initial role-claim was false and bam, we have a red. The bottom line is that there is no reason for the town to risk killing a blue. Even if the mafia lets them live to spread confusion, or even if the claim was false and he was red, the town has more information. Again, I feel like you know all this and we're just going through the motions here. You don't ever let unconfirmed power roles run around. You don't let players live "because they might be blue". Unless they have very convincing arguments then they shouldn't be left alive. There IS no better position for the town. If you have an outted medic and the Mafia know they can get kills off with the medic still living THE TOWN LOSES. Point blank. Because the longer the medic lives in the open with the claim the more sketchy the medic looks. Everyone who has played with me knows I will kill Day 1 claimers. Ask any decent player thats played with people that aren't afraid to false claim and you'll see them rage about how dumb the town was for letting the guy live "because he might be legit". Scum's entire strategy revolves around staying alive. I guess if I live tonight, role claim DT tomorrow and say I got an innocent result on Fishball I deserve to live right? Because I might be a blue and no one counter-claimed me. | ||
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I'm sure you aren't surprised about this right? | ||
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On March 27 2010 11:42 citi.zen wrote: Right... Vivi got medic and Versatile DT. Solid. @ Ace - I am not surprised at all. I argued with two people: Versatile and yourself. She died. I look suspicious. You are alive. As stated multiple times, I also disagree with your statement that lynching Vivi was the right call, even after you saw he claimed medic. It's all in the thread, town-aligned players would read those exchanges. I'll say this: take my posts out and you have nothing going on in this thread. Make up your own mids what, if anything, that means about my alignment. If we screw up the day 2 lynch it's 3 v 2 on day 3, so all 3 town players would need to agree to vote for the same red player. Maybe it's time to start contributing. ##Vote Ace## You already know just like everyone else that Vivi claiming Medic wasn't going to change my vote. I've already explain that. So saying "even when you saw Vivi claim medic" isn't helpful at all. On the other hand YOU could have saved him. You didn't change your vote and now want to make it look like I'm at fault. I've stood by my decision wholeheartedly while you are not even acknowledging you yourself are a cause of his death. Likewise if you take my posts out of this thread game activity drops also. How does that make you more innocent than anyone else? @Fishball: Yea I know Verse better than anyone. Doesn't mean it's my fault she's dead. The more I read citizen's posts the more scummy he comes across. He points out that he argued with Versatile, she died, and he looks suspect. As if the notion of admitting he might be scummy clears him in my eyes. | ||
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Someone already brought that point up about the other game ^_^ | ||
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I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive. | ||
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Either way how does letting me die from 2 quick votes help the town? I still don't understand how me OR citizen are guaranteed to be mafia. There isn't a DT check or a counter claim here, and we've got lots of players lurking. I think citizen is the scummiest person here so far but when I flip green you've still got to look at the people not placing votes. Look at how fast I caught those 2 votes and we've got 4 non-voters. This is ridiculous lurking. ##unvote citizen## | ||
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